BREAKING: Democrats' Dark Plan To Upend Future Elections

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For call one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. We are back. It is November fifth.

Hope you've had a okay twenty-four hours. Maybe you've recovered now from what was a pretty epic Tuesday evening. And we have a lot more to cover today. We're going to be joined by a couple different guests. One that you'll.

Be excited about there was a victor of the night for maybe people that are more like-minded as you.

So we'll be joined by future Attorney General of Oklahoma. Is that right, Will Attorney General elect? Elect, yes, John Eccles. We'll talk to him, and then of course our friend Rick Cornell will be joining us as well to just go over the fallout and everything that happened in even in LA as you got a new mayor in LA.

So we'll discuss that. But again, phone lines are open for you at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten. As It does seem to to be that if you want to look at always the trickle down effect, I guess, of some of these big swing elections, is maybe the intended consequences of the candidates, and maybe the unintended consequence of the voter. And that is a plan to remove the effects of the Electoral College. This is something we've been talking about for years.

We've been educating even children of the importance of the Electoral College and why it was set in place the first way. And of course, a lot of it has to do with maybe you are in Minnesota, maybe you are in some of those quote unquote flyover states, and you'd like to be represented.

Well, if you don't have an Electoral College, too bad. California and New York pretty much control your country now, just due to populist base. But this is a. Unique way that they are talking about not just doing away with the electoral college, keeping it on paper in existence, but being able to remove the broader effect of the electoral college. That's right.

This is something that I've been warning about and concerned about for quite some time. This has been an issue that we've seen bubble up for years as this this idea called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Evic is what it's referred to, and this is a compact among states where they're agreeing that if they get enough electoral votes combined, so two hundred and seventy to win the presidency, if they get enough electoral votes combined, they will no longer. Cast their electoral votes for who won their state.

So, if you're in Tennessee and they had signed on to this, which they have not, then it would be the all those electoral votes go to who won the popular vote of the country. This is a backdoor way. To get around what is is a creation of our founders, the Electoral College, the electoral system that we have, and to go to a popular vote. This has been something that has been the the dream of the left since really a long time. But the twenty twenty or the two thousand election with George W.

Bush, when that was so much chaos there, that they have decided and tried to find a way to go about it. That's why the media harps on the well, the popular vote in Hillary Clinton and the popular vote because they're trying to get it in people's heads that this is what you want. Not to mention the last time President Trump won both the popular vote and the electoral college, which happens the majority of the time. There has just been a few times, like George W. Bush in more recent history, except two thousand, where that first kind of became an issue.

We all started to really take a notice to again. That was sort of one of the first times we ever voted.

So that could, or we didn't vote that time. We weren't even old enough to vote for that first one. But then the next time, obviously, with Donald Trump.

Well, and here's why this matters now. Why today, just after this blue wave election, could this be something that's now being talked about again? They already have enough states, eighteen states and D.C. to make up two hundred and twenty-two electoral votes. The Democrats just won.

Five more governorships in both houses of a state legislature, so a trifecta. No longer a theory that could get them a total of sixty-one more, which would put them over the line, and therefore you no longer have the electoral college in practice in this country. We're going to talk about the implications and even the legality of it as we come up. Yeah, maybe we'll break it down a little bit more in human terms, so you can fully understand and grasp. The reasons why this is happening.

Phone lines are open at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten, and of course ACLJ, we've kicked off our Stay and Strong campaign. We need you more than ever. Go to aclj.org. Welcome back to Stacker. I think we need to break this down a little bit further because again.

As we always say, elections have consequences, and those consequences are sometimes not just oh, who gets to be in party for the next two years, four years, six years? Who gets to control even the Supreme Court of the United States, which is something that I know becomes a big issue that people don't always think about when they are making their decision, even who to vote for for President of the United States. But at this moment, you have to look at some of the bigger ticket items that you maybe never heard of on the campaign trail. Maybe you did look at gas prices and say we need something different. Maybe you did look at that and think that that is what we needed to push for.

And I understand that the economy is tough right now. It's a tough time. I understand wanting change in your area. But there are consequences that could have much bigger ramifications, especially when you start talking about states that I said are in the middle of the country, states that are maybe a little more rural, maybe have a little more land mass and a little less people mass. But you know what are just as important.

We even did a kids' video many years ago when we launched during COVID. We had the Bald Beagle campaign of running kids' American history and social studies, that kind of thing. YouTube videos we ran, and one of them was about the Electoral College. I think a lot of people. Need to go watch that to understand why we pushed the Electoral College as something that is important to the fabric of America.

Because without it, again, your country is then controlled by pretty much New York and pretty much California. A little bit of Texas thrown in there, maybe a couple other you know states that have some higher ticket, her higher ticket states in terms of their Electoral College votes. But if you don't have that representation at all, then the only interests will be controlled by those top places. The reason they call you flyover states—they don't care what goes on in the middle of the country. And now you have some of those states, including you, elected people who still agree with this, even if you're in those states.

Saying you know what, it's time to do away the electoral college. It's a little bit hard to kind of unwrite the fabric of the constitution, but maybe there's a loophole. And essentially, they found that loophole, which is to decide the electorates to decide wherever the popular vote goes. That is where we will cast our electoral votes instead of wherever our state goes.

So no longer representing you, representing the interests, representing the interests. Of essentially the two biggest states in the country.

Well, and this is what you end up with. This is something called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It's something I've been talking about with with friends, with family, you know, in meetings here for a long time, saying this is something everyone needs to be keeping an eye on because it's slowly built momentum. It's slowly added states. They started this compact in in January of two thousand six.

Six twenty years ago, right, and so it's they've slowly added states who who sign on to this compact. There are currently eighteen states plus the District of Columbia. States like Washington, Oregon. California, New Mexico, Colorado, but then you start to see places like Virginia has this. A lot of East Coast states that it's pending currently in South Carolina and in Pennsylvania, meaning that it has been introduced there.

So, what changed just in the last twenty-four hours, forty-eight hours, that makes this news again? Because it's also complicated, so how would this work? If they get enough states to sign on to this compact, that total the electoral votes of those states to two hundred and seventy, meaning they could decide who's the next President among just those states. Then they would cast their ballot for the winner of the popular vote, who nationwide got the most votes, not who won their individual state.

So, for instance, Virginia being signed on to this, Virginia would not allocate. Their votes of the electoral college to how Virginians voted, they would allocate it to how the entire country voted.

So it starts to to shift the way that. Elections are run, as you said. They focus on major cities and population centers, and only campaign to them, and just forget the rest of the country. Good luck ever seeing one of those candidates in person. By the way, right.

And so the the reason that the Electoral College was created was so that states and the differences among them were represented in selecting a President, not just the major population centers. And at the time, we're talking even agriculture, right? You know, animals. All the different things, land masses, all the different things that represented the individual states. The reason why we have individual states, right?

Because they all have different needs. We are not just, you know, a a one nation that is easy to understand. It is not just about even people in politics. We're talking about even terrain, exactly. And as you look at this right now, the states that have signed onto this equal two hundred and twenty two electoral votes.

So it's not in effect, even though they've signed onto this compact, they still are giving their electoral votes to who wins their state.

However. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada all just flipped their entirety of their state government. Both houses of the legislature, as well as their governorship, are all Democrat now. This is a very big priority of those that are have been looking for a long time in Democrat politics to shift away from the Electoral College. If all of these states were to in the next.

Short amount of time, decide and move forward with this. In Pennsylvania, with 19 electoral votes, we already know has it pending there. If they were to go forward. 61 extra votes that puts you at 283. The electoral college would be effectively bypassed of the way it allocates votes.

How do they think they get away with this?

Well, they point to Article Two, Section One of the United States Constitution that says that in such a manner the legislature thereof may direct. The the appointment of these electors. Therefore, they're saying, "Listen, the state legislature can decide here in a compact to say we're just going with the popular vote of the country and not our own state." Here's the constitutional rub, though, as you look forward and you look at. The compact clause of the Constitution, Article One, Section Ten, Clause Three: No state shall, without the consent of Congress, and it goes on list a lot of things, the duty lay a duty on tonnage, keep troops, those things. It says also enter into any agreement or compact with another state or with a foreign power.

So that is all without the consent of Congress at this point. What do they have now? Have majority in Congress, there is a situation here that gets very tenuous for what even could be the very next Presidential election.

So I think people need to be educated about this. They need to think about this, and they need to also talk to their representatives, even if they are Democrats, and say, "Listen, I want my electoral votes to represent me here in my state. Let's take not the entire country. Let's take a call about this, Bill in Wyoming." ACLJ champion always appreciate it. Certainly has his point of view on this.

Bill, go ahead. Yeah, thanks. I I don't know if you're going to cover this or not, but I just suddenly had the thought because I've been hearing people say, "Well, I'm not going to go vote then if my vote doesn't count for anything." Wouldn't it? This new provision actually caused people to say, "Well, I'm not going to vote anymore," and then they actually shut off our voting. Yeah, I'm not sure about that last part, but you look—I mean, will discourage people?

It certainly will, but also hopefully, maybe it would someone be like, "Well, now my vote—I would popular vote, maybe we have to get out there." Look, I think there's a lot of people. We need kind of a referendum on this in general. Look at your states. Look at your your deep red states. Look at Tennessee.

I think there was a lot of Republican voters that did not spend the time going out and voting. They decided that oh, it was going to be a shoo-in for Marsha Blackburn. It was going to be a shoo-in for Bill Haggerty. And to some extent, this is sure they won, but they won with a much narrower margin than anyone predicted in a state like Tennessee. And I don't think that is because there has been some big shifts certainly in the state, but I think it was because a lot of people kind of took for granted that.

We are a red state.

Well, and to that point as well, you look at Texas, which did flip. You have James Taylorico as the new senator elect from the state of Texas. You have Greg Abbott was defeated as governor. And what do you look at the difference between twenty twenty six and twenty twenty four?

Well. 1.4 million people decided to not vote. It's not just that James Talarico won by you know a million and a half votes. It's that a million and a half people voted did not go. That voted just two years ago, they stayed home.

Yeah, and remember that oftentimes this kind of can paint a picture for you. In many of these elections, more people watch this show every day that could have decided an election. We are not the biggest of the big. We're not eleven million people watching every day. We're a moderately successful, you know, radio show, podcast, broadcast, streaming.

Tens of thousands of people watch every day, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of people. We appreciate that, but understand the amount of people that watch and interact on this show. Are often what the margin was in so many states, or less. Right now in Mississippi, there's a Democrat ahead that is, I think, right at a thousand votes ahead.

Well, thank God we got more than that to be able to watch. But I'm saying right there, you're talking about. You don't even have to go to large numbers. No, we're talking about sometimes on a low show for us. With that, phone lines are open for you at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten.

No, when we get back though, a little bit of good news.

Okay, because there are some new elected officials. We're going to be representing you well, and some of them are good friends that you have heard on this show for many years. We're excited to have on our friend John Eccles again, the Attorney General Elect in the state of Oklahoma. We're going to talk about that when we get back. We're also going to have Rick Grenell joining us, and of course, I want to take your phone calls.

But look. I know it's a tough time. You may be going, "What can I do?" Well, easy way to maybe feel like you can get something done is remember the ACLJ team. We don't quiet down due to any elections. You remember it was hotter than ever during the Biden administration.

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So one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. Look, it was a rough night overall, but there were some victories, and some we need to celebrate. And that's we're very excited to have back on the show. Represented, worked with many different times, and had him on this broadcast before. And that is your new Attorney General elect from Oklahoma, John Eccles.

Will again, before we go over to Attorney General elect. I just want to say this is a good moment. There are moments. There are glimmers of hope out there.

So don't be all doom and gloom because there are some. There are some big victories out there as well. That's right. And we want to showcase those, especially when it is someone that the ACLJ has worked with for a long time, had a great relationship with.

So we are thrilled that that relationship will be able to continue. I know that Ben Disney in our office is very excited. I know that Jordan is very excited. And this is a race that we were all watching closely as there was a. Lot of bad news.

We were in our text threads, very excited seeing results come out of out of Oklahoma because Attorney General Elect Eccles is joining us now. But one, I just want to say congratulations and welcome back to the show.

Well, thank you so much for having me on the show. It is such an honor to get to do it. I love our longstanding relationship with the ACLJ. All we've been able to do together, obviously, very honored. My lifelong best friend, Ben Sisney, they're doing great work, and I was honored to have the support of Jordan during this 22 month race.

It was way too long, but we're excited to bring it home and ready to get to work for the citizens of Oklahoma. And that's one thing I do want to highlight because as we did see. A lot of of negative news for those of us that are are have conservative values and that fight for conservative values and fight for the Constitution on Tuesday night. This actually showcases why offices like the state's attorneys general are so important. We've talked about our work with other state's attorneys general across the country that have been ACLJ alumni or that we've worked with in the past.

But once again. Adding to those ranks of individuals that are the top law enforcement for one of the fifty states of the United States, a very, a very small club, if you will, of states' attorneys general that now are able to. To hold the line, if you will, in a very tenuous situation in Washington D.C., tell us why these positions—obviously not just for the people of Oklahoma—but as we have to hold the line for our Constitution—that you're now on the front lines.

Well, the state's attorneys generals are on the front lines of protecting your religious liberties. That's where the action is going to be. After what happened, I mean, that was a blue tsunami. Pretending like it wasn't doesn't help anybody. We have real issues in Washington D.C.

It has changed, but what has happened with the state's attorneys general? Whether you're talking about Chevron deference to hold government accountable, whether you're talking about the fight for life, which I've obviously been with the ACLU on cases like that, it's the States' attorneys general who have come together and they have worked together. And even now, as I'm building my solicitor general office—that's the chief appellate lawyer for the state of Oklahoma—I'll be bringing cases that have a national impact. And as I used to say when I was on the campaign trail, your philosophy matters.

So I spent time talking about, you know, if you believe in what the ACLU is doing, that tells you a lot about the type of attorney I'm going to be, what we're going to do working together. And we are really going to hold the line. The action is going to be in the state's attorneys general, with groups like the ACLU and others standing up for our religious liberties. I want to ask you, John. I mean, when you look at, or I'm sorry, Attorney General Elect John Negl's.

I want to ask you though, when you look at a state like Texas, a friendly rivalry, I guess, between Oklahoma and Texas, and you see what happens there, and then you have Oklahoma that statewide stays fairly red. Is it something that you know the state has just been able to maintain a bit more of their core traditions, their values, or what is it that has made Oklahoma, and for other states as Well, but I'm going to focus on you because we know just right next door we saw such a a massive switch.

Well, Texas is now all blue, and as you talked about ahead of time, this compact of states trying to get rid of our electoral college is a real threat. That is a problem. We we need to deal with that. We need to defend that. They tried to make that move in Oklahoma, and I held the ground as the majority leader, majority floor leader of the Oklahoma House Representatives to kill that bill.

But that's a real problem, and losing that Texas Attorney General's office, which was about three thousand people, which in the past had been a voice for liberty. Here's what I think happened in Oklahoma. I think we have a much stronger conservative base, but at the same time. As an elected official, we need to realize, though, the citizens also care about cost of living. They they cost about these kitchen.

They talk care about these kitchen table issues. Part of the reason I won is I ran as me. I ran as a conservative, an ACLJ back conservative, somebody who stood up for our religious liberties and spent my time listening to the constituents about the things they cared about. What did they want from their next attorney general? I think we have to take stock in that, and Oklahoma cannot be taken for granted.

Those that are watching this program, that care about the future of this country, that care about religious liberty, now is all the more important that we stay engaged, and we stay engaged with those that are willing to stand up and be leaders, and stand up for the values that we share, and also the kitchen table issues, those issues that our constituents truly care about. I ran against government corruption and waste, fraud, abuse. That resonated. That is what the constituents wanted us fighting. Maybe some of your friendly neighbors will start looking around, going, "Maybe Oklahoma doesn't seem like a it seems like an easy move." Well, I mean, I'm concerned that they're going to have to rename the Red River Rivalry, the Purple River Rivalry, now that it's a red and blue state mixed together in that.

But once again, we thank you for joining us. We are so excited about this. But even that electoral compact that we're looking at, those type of issues that weren't even necessarily in the minds of The American people just a few days ago, even it just goes to showcase that we we can't let up. We know that judges are going to be an issue going forward. We know that the Supreme Court is going to be an issue going forward.

And so, as many conservative voices, principled conservatives, originalists that we can get into places of authority and and be able to hold that line are so important. And we also have to remember. These offices, these state's attorneys general, they don't make the national news as the race to watch because they're looking at the the the governorship or the senator, the federal election. But that is why we do showcase these races here on on this program, and why we have people like you, and we want people to know your name because you are going to be at the front of the fight as we go forward, and we can't wait to continue working with you.

Well, we're going to, and we are going to continue to be that tip of the spear. I'm going to be with you every step of the way, just like you have always been with me. We, the states' attorneys general, the Republican states' attorneys general, are now the hope to protect our republic, and we are going to continue to do that. And again, why it's so important: you have people that work with the ACLU, those of us that believe in religious liberty, believe in this country, and the biblical foundations it was founded on, continue in that fight because you're right. We're going to be fighting court packing.

That that's coming. We're going to be fighting in endless impeachments over all types of individuals, not just the President, but but on and on. We're going to be fighting the Democrats as they try to try to get rid of our frankly oil and gas industry and and that war on fossil fuels, which is coming back. I'm from Oklahoma. The war on agriculture, the war on our farmers and ranchers.

We need people that are going to stand in the gap, protect the religious liberties, protect the citizens that are under their charge.

Well, congratulations! Thank you so much for hopping on here today. I know it's been a busy week for you, but in a in a bit of a doom and gloom week for a lot of people, it is nice to see this bright spot.

So, congratulations to you, again, Attorney General elect from Oklahoma, John Eccles. Again, longtime friend of the ACLJ, we're happy for eleven points. Congratulations! That is a landslide win, a red wave in Oklahoma for for our friend here. We're going to be looking in Oklahoma.

I mean, I think it sounds fun. All right, thank you. Appreciate for joining us. Hey. For those of you who are watching, stick around.

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This is our short break, keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Secular. That's right, Logan Secular here. Will Haynes live in studio, and we got Rick Cornell joining us in the next segment.

We want to hear from you as well. I got a few lines open at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten, talking about essentially the call to in the electoral college.

Now that you have had that, what John Eccles, the new future Attorney General elect of Oklahoma, said that blue tsunami. I think he said, "If you are trying to pretend it didn't happen, it did happen." But let's figure out what the impact is and some of the. Unintended consequences, maybe of your vote, is something like court packing. Is something like now a move to eliminate, essentially, gut the electoral college, where it's no longer of any value that the popular vote would take over. These are core issues that get swept under the rug.

But we want to make sure that you at the ACLJ and you at the supporters of the ACLJ, the you that listen to the show and watch the show each and every day, are well aware. Of what is going to happen and what could happen, very, very easily, the ACLU will fight back. We will stand strong. That's why we launched Stand Strong campaign. Look, I think everyone knew that there was going to likely be a large percentage of Democrat pickups.

I don't know if anyone predicted it would be this large, and it's okay. You know what? We've had this pendulum shift, swing, often in our lives. Maybe not to this extreme nature.

So quickly, but you know what? We've had it happen. But phone lines are open for you, and I do want to hear from you because in the next segment, when we join by Rick Cornell, then I'm going to take as many calls as we possibly can. And then later on, like I said, we'll take Rick next, and then we'll follow up with you. But the ACLJ work doesn't stop.

I did want to make sure right off the top that we say that because of all of the incredible work that we're doing here. I mean, I have a whole list in front of me. We have six Supreme Court filings over the next six days. Two Supreme Court cases on defending a church that's going against the fines that Gavin Newsom's California has pushed forward. Yesterday, we were in court defending preachers from arrest by the city of Chicago.

We're defending a nativity and Easter display at the Town Square in New York right now. We're Defending the rights of parents to raise their children according to their faith, not the public school system. These are just a small sample and a brief summary of just a few things the ACLU team is actively working on. If we don't defend those cases, those people that have let them have representation at absolutely no cost. You see what happens in in the elections, and you get this doom and gloom scenario, and it very much could mean on the localized level that you have a doom and gloom scenario.

But the ACLJ team is there, and that's why we're asking you to stand strong right now to enable us to continue fighting for you. It's easy to feel defeated and to wallow around in sorrow. But we're not doing that here. You heard we had John Eccles on, future Attorney General if Oklahoma, ACLJ supporter, been someone who we worked with for a long time. There are glimmers of hope out there, and we are going to still smile and laugh through it and talk through it.

And you know what, people, hopefully, will love their neighbors and we'll see maybe some major shifts happen in this country. I'm trying to. To cross my fingers on that, if you will, say my prayers over that, because it is the way it is. We do have some calls coming in. Let's quickly take Terry real quick.

Terry, you think you got a good message that kind of ties in? Go ahead. Hello. Yes, you're on the air. Can you hear me?

I can hear you. You're on the air.

Well, I wanted to call because I don't feel neither blue or nor doom. I am happy that there was a blue tsunami. I think the Republicans have Christian values, but the Christian values are not full Christian values. Like they care about. Baby's being born, but they don't care about what happens to the baby once it's here.

They don't care whether or not the parent has money for childcare. They don't care whether or not they're fed at school. They don't care. Terry, I think that's that's painting a very broad brush. That I feel like one the the argument of they only care about the baby in the womb and not then you've never worked with any church, you've never worked with any charitable organization, you've never worked with a pregnancy resource center that will provide food for.

Clothing, housing, birthday parties—that's listening to the other side exclusively. That is living in your own bubble, Terry. And while I appreciate your sentiment, saying that, look, I believe there are Christian values, and there's no doom and gloom for me over here as well, because I know this is all in God's plan. This is all in God's hands. Doesn't mean we don't need to be active.

Doesn't mean we don't need to be smart. I have a feeling a lot of you listened to that, just heard Terry, and said, you know what? I think I I have a response to that.

So you know what? Give me a call right now. One eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. As we head to break, one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten. Rick's joining us next, and then we're going to follow up with your response.

Be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you. Got two lines still open out one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. A lot of you calling, hitting, responding to that last caller.

Rick Grenell joining us though, and Rick, of course, look, you asked for a new mayor in LA, but maybe it wasn't exactly the wish you were hoping for. Let's let's let's sort of read the room here, Rick. How how are things feeling? Look, I think we had two bad choices. A lot of people were just saying, "You know, what do you do here?" They're both terrible.

I think there was one camp that was very much saying, "It doesn't matter who the choices are. We cannot reward our current mayor Karen Bass with re-election. We just can't do it. She failed. She has failed miserably over and over." There was a camp, a very real camp, that was just saying.

Anyone knew is going to be better. And and I think that's that's where we are. Yeah, but I think that's real possibly the truth. I mean, we were out. I was out there just a couple days ago.

Quick trip into L.A. into Hollywood, and you walk around, and it is that still that feeling of like this feels like it could be done so much better, and with very little, like very little changes, and all of a sudden you would have a back to a thriving California and a thriving Los Angeles. But it feels like those changes almost can't be made with the current administration. They can't, but you know what? Then you get this whole other team that is like Nithya Raman is a you know.

Far left DSA candidate. It's going to get worse. Our police, in the the policemen and the unions, are are very upset that Nithya won because she's always been the one that wants to defund the police. I think things could get worse. Look, we had two terrible choices.

I wish today we were talking about Spencer Pratt as the mayor of Los Angeles.

Well, I think Rick, one, you see two remarkable things. Happen in this election. One, you have the third place candidate who conceded on election night in the jungle primary when the mayoral race.

So, if that's not typical California voting system, I don't know what is. But two, now you're going to have the best crosswalks in the country because of Nithya Ramen. I mean, I know that that's her her very first priority. Yeah, look the the painting companies are all excited because that big contracts though. They're it's a it's a racket.

Yeah, look, I think Spencer Pratt knew you know that that Karen was going to lose, that the person who was going to run against Karen Bass was going to win, and that's why he really worked so hard. And I think that's why it's clear that the Nithya Rama campaign, they really. Manipulated a lot of the last-minute votes, the the votes that obviously had signature verification problems. A lot of the votes that came in past the deadline and somehow was waived. I mean, that's the system that we have in California.

They attack you if they if you if you point these problems out, but you know you you cannot go anywhere in Los Angeles. Or anywhere in California, without hearing people say, "I got three ballots at my house. I got ballots for people that are dead. I got ballots for people that moved away. I got personal multiple ballots." People say, "This is my first year that I actually didn't get multiple ballots.

I only got the the one." But the whole thing is a is a real racket and problem. And we've got a we've got to be able to fix it. Yeah, they learn. They're like, maybe we need to pull him off that list. We don't need to be.

Sin and him. There's one person, the one name we need to make sure doesn't get duplicates. It's the one guy.

Well, Rick, I think you you did bring up Spencer Pratt. You brought up that even that Nithya Ramen was able to almost understand why he became so popular and manipulate and use that a little bit to her advantage. But I think what's also interesting out of this entire process is what Spencer Pratt seemed to awaken in California and around the That you know, we can we can sit here and we can have gloom and doom, and we can talk about oh what a shellacking it was and and all this, or we can realize that I mean, how many times in our lifetime have we heard this party is never going to win another election because of how bad it was in one night? That's American politics. They're always going to say that, but.

You start to look at what voices did start to rise up, what what angles started to rise up as you start to think ahead, and you, the Spencer Pratt was a different, not brand of populism, but in a way of of reckoning of like. He is a Californian. It's not as though he is, you know, some Midwest guy that moved to California and is trying to to put off this different air. He is a person who has been in the entertainment industry, is a Californian through and through, and gets it, and is just speaking truth about it. And I think you're going to start to see a lot of that.

Spring up across the country that resonate with that kind of thought about, you know, we we can we can also still take care of people in a way by elevating our society, and that is what you aren't seeing happen in places like California. It's people aren't being taken care of not because of of people don't care about people. It's because of the way it's being run, the waste, the the abuse of the system, the fraud that's being uncovered. There, when it comes to the government programs, and I think people are going to latch onto that and resonate with it. Yeah, there's a lot of corruption in California because the same people keep getting the same contracts if you give money to the Democratic circle, and that's that's a problem.

But Spencer, I think you're right. He really he he brought in a lot of new people, a lot of people that weren't involved, and that's exactly what we need. Look, these are rough numbers, but basically we have about 27 million people in California that are eligible to vote, and we're on track to have. 13 million people vote. That's less than half of the eligible voters.

We've got to do a better job of getting more people involved, more people in the process. Can't have the same small group constantly picking these losers that keep winning. And Rick, I mean, that's not just a problem happening in California. I mean, Will we brought it up earlier? Even in a state like Tennessee, when you had what should have been a very, very you know easy landslide victory, it was at least, no, it was defended.

It was way closer than it should have been, because over a million people didn't show up. Right. Yeah, it's really bad, and and the solution is is getting more people engaged. But I also think that people won't get engaged if they don't believe that the system isn't rigged. We have a lot of people in California just say it's not worth it.

You know, they they send multiple ballots to people who don't even live in the state or aren't even U.S. citizens. And how about this? We had Californians say we don't want an election where you have to show an ID. We want People to show up without an ID.

Now that creates a system that really frustrates a lot of the people that are sitting on the sidelines. The apathetic voter, the apathetic member of society, is sitting there thinking, "See, I don't want to get involved in this." So we've got to combat that, and and I still will. You know, I'm going to rest up a little bit and then come back and hit it just as hard because we've got to combat the apathy. Yeah, we've only got now. Yeah, again, the the race to.

2028 begins yesterday. I've already seen like three candidates, you know, that are putting the sell out there that are clearly running. He brought up the voter ID situation.

Well, what was it yesterday? One of our callers called in. Was it Minnesota? Yes, Minnesota. You can day of election.

You can vouch vouch for up to eight people saying, "Yeah, I know where Bob lives. Bob lives two houses down. Let him vote." And when we heard that, and we were like, "Certainly, that can't be." Real, and you look it up, and it's like, oh, that's the Secretary of State's office that puts it that plainly, Rick. I think our lawyers have to get busy here at ACLJ. Absolutely, Rick.

We appreciate it. Rest up a little bit, but you know we'll all be right back at it. And the team is obviously the ACLJ team. Never rest. They've been working at a lot of different issues that have come up.

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Hear from you. We do have two lines still open, but if you're on hold right now, whether you're in Maryland, West Virginia, Georgia, Ohio, we have on hold. We still have a couple lines open. I want to hear from you. How are you feeling right now?

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If you are not Donald Trump, which it could be that you have now alienated the compassionate Christian voter who doesn't want to hear profanity, that doesn't want to hear sexualization of people. That certainly doesn't want to hear that you are going to, you know, celebrate hurting people, if you will. But we know a lot of that's not true. We know a lot of that is just political gamesmanship. How do you respond to that?

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So many callers. I'm just gonna try to go in the order they came in because it's it's packed. Start off with Chandler calling in Maryland online. Juan Chandler, go ahead. Hey, how are you guys?

We're good. How are you?

Well, you know, I'm a little upset, obviously, but this is a this is my my opinion. I think that Christians, 45 million of which sit it out, and 15 million who aren't even registered. That's the reason we have this blue annihilation. I blame it squarely on Christians, of which I am one. And I just wanted to hear what you guys thought.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I want to say squarely put it all on all Christians. I do think there are people that are not politically engaged or become politically desensitized or disenfranchised with maybe the candidates that are running. If you are one of those people who maybe you listen to show for for. The last thirty years, you know that there is very difference between the Republican candidates that are running in twenty twenty six and ran in really ran in the last decade, than ran before. There were a lot of Christians, the sort of you know original conservative Christians that kind of got birthed out of the eighties, that voted very much on morality, character, family.

That's kind of gone out the window. And look, I am not saying necessarily that's a bad thing. I think we were never voting on a pastor to be the leader of our country. We were never voting on the pastor to be our senator, congressman, or whatever it may be. But I do think you've lost a little bit of that edge where conservative Christians would be activated to vote, especially if they are more traditionalist, or even if they're not even consider themselves conservative, but they would consider themselves devout evangelical Christians.

You can't not look at the candidates that are being run and go, okay.

Well, there's a big difference. Not necessarily behind closed doors. Not necessarily, you know, in terms of how dirty politics can be. But let's just say presentation. The presentation of George W.

Bush. The presentation even of a of a Mitt Romney. The presentation compared to the presentation of a Donald Trump. I'm not saying, by the way, I want to be very clear about this because I've been in it too long to to to be ever blinded by politics. To say that there's really much of a difference between any of those kind of candidates, anyone that would run for President behind closed doors.

I don't know any of them behind closed door. The difference is President Trump. At least is I guess upfront with some of his more controversial opinions, takes language, things that would obviously family life that is very different. I'm not condemning. I am not passing judgment.

I'm saying what's going to reignite a conservative Christian evangelical base to vote Republican is you're gonna. The reason you had a large group, I feel like of Christians who have become this way is sort of. They were raised to very much follow a different version than what is being presented now, and I think we can't be blind to that, even if the world has moved on from that.

Well, and I think especially when you look at the way some of the candidates ran.

Now, theologically, you disagree with some of the people that were positioning themselves in this race, but when you compare it, and that's specifically what I'm talking about when you when you look at James Talerico. You disagree with most of his theology. You probably disagree with most of the things he says.

However, if you are comparing the two candidates, who is more palatable? Not policy, not theology. Human being, human being. James Talerico more palatable than Ken Paxton. This is a this is objectively true.

I think you could probably say people are going to hate me in the chat for this, but then I think you also go up to Kansas. The the person who ran against Senator Marshall, who won, Democrat, once again, policy theology, we do not agree. He is a pastor of the largest Methodist church in the state.

So when you're talking about Christians not voting, I'm not getting into theological difference here. There were candidates that could motivate mainline Protestant denominations to a larger degree to vote blue this time in some of the states that were almost taken for granted for so long that. A Christian, a someone that attends or identifies with a Protestant denomination, will vote red. They flipped the tables on that, and it caught it caught many Republicans off guard. Flipping the tables, I like it.

We got a few minutes left, and only a few calls.

Sorry, that opened up a bigger can of worms than I was expecting to go into. I'm going to try to get through these. Keep your answers as short as you can. I'm sorry about that. Let's head up Robert first in West Virginia.

Robert, quickly. Yes, I just want to respond to the lady who talked about the blue wave and Christians not having empathy for children once they're born. First off, I just want to say this: if we didn't care for the children, why we would be standing up for them the first place to be born?

Okay, that that's first and foremost. Secondly, the furthest thing from the truth, and this is a kool aid that a lot of Blue wave, or a lot of Democrats feel this. It's the Kool Aid they're drinking right now. What the message is that we don't care just because we we do care for one because we're standing up for the baby. Secondly, we've got systems in place, pregnancy centers throughout the country.

Here, where I live in West Virginia, we've got Greenbrier Pregnancy Center. It's helped more women just in this little county of helping. That can help, and that can go nationwide. Absolutely, Robert. Look, we stand up specifically for the unborn, but also for those who are in need all the time.

Look to your local churches. Look to these pregnancy resource centers. Look where Christians are donating their money. That is how we do it—not through the government, but through that.

So, I understand that that becomes a talking point, but it's a very tired talking point. Who are the first people on the ground after a large, major disaster like a hurricane, earthquake? The Southern Baptist Convention is there typically before FEMA. For the Red Cross, absolutely. Let's continue that on.

Let's go to Lisa in Georgia. Lisa, go ahead. Hey, good afternoon. I I just wanted to say with the lady who called in about saying we only care for the you know preborn and life. We there are so many pregnancy centers throughout my state.

One in particular. That I give to for these precious babies is human coalition. They walk alongside these mothers and with care coordinators, and they stay with these moms literally from pregnancy through their birth, through their lives, with medical care, housing, diapers, food. Shelter. I'm only cutting you off for time.

Only cutting you off for time, Lisa. I agree. I've seen it firsthand. These amazing work. A lot of times, it volunteer or or very low low benefit to anyone personally, and they are there, like you said, not just till birth.

A lot of them have plans that go multiple years into their childhood, and it's really an important thing.

Well, but in really quickly, we'll go to one more call. But there have been some politicians on the right, especially in previous years, that could give you that opinion that maybe. Christians don't it because of the correlation between red and Christians.

So historically, that I mean, yeah, you understand why sometimes people call in and say that. Listen, we only got a minute left. Will who should we take, Susan or Marion? I'm sorry to either one of them. Let's go, Susan.

It's a little bit different, Marion. We have you on call back tomorrow. Susan, go ahead. Oh, she's thanks and God bless you guys. By the way.

I wondered even before all of this if it was possible. You know, so many people weren't happy in the blue states, so they moved to the red states. Yeah, I wondered if that made all the difference. Has anybody else thought about that? Certainly, it started to show.

That here's a real quick number, though. Why it could be some of that, but not totally that. One, a lot of those people moved because they want something more conservative. But two, in 2024, Ted Cruz had a Senate race against Colin Allred, and he won by almost a million votes. Ken Paxton lost by a million point two.

There were 1.4 million fewer votes in the Senate race, so some people flipped from red to blue.

Some people, most people, just didn't show up.

So I don't think it was that it was more Californians. I think at the end of the day, it was just that people didn't show up for Ken Paxton. Hey, but I need you to stand strong with the ACLU. We're here regardless of any political tide, red waves, blue tsunamis. Doesn't matter.

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