Warrantless: FBI Spied on American Citizens 270,000+ Times

Today on Sekulow, the FISA Court reveals the FBI spied on American citizens nearly 300,000 times in one year. We'll talk about it today and more on Sekulow. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. Hey, welcome to Sekulow. If you want to talk to us on air, 1-800-684-3110.

That's 1-800-684-3110. In a 127-page court filing in April, it was unsealed just this Friday by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. It noted that U.S. citizens covered in an improper effort included people involved in both the January 6 riots but also, just so you know out there on the left, the George Floyd protesters during the summer of 2020 and over 19,000 donors to a failed congressional candidate, they don't name the candidate, they said it was one who didn't win, that the FBI improperly used warrantless searches against Americans 278,000 times in one year in 2021. 278,000 times constitutional rights were violated, the rights and the protections we have in the Constitution, our Fourth Amendment right against illegal search and seizure. The government has to get a warrant to do any kind of intelligence gathering on American citizens unless they try to fit you into a foreign agent. Now how are they doing that for George Floyd protesters?

That had nothing to do with anything going overseas so there was no excuse there. January 6 was totally domestic so again, they misutilized a law which is to target foreign nationals, to target Americans to spy on two, this is what they're admitting to, 278,000 times without a warrant, they spied on the American people. This should outrage the right and the left because those George Floyd protesters were spied on two.

Yeah absolutely, I know there's a lot of people watching right now and these are the kind of stories we break here and discuss, you may be watching all the coverage going on right now for Tim Scott's Presidential announcement, that just happened, it's happening right now as we speak, he's just now speaking or finishing up a speech right now. All that's important, we should be watching and paying attention, but these are the kind of stories that really do affect the American people and you really can see what's happening behind the scenes. When you have this 270,000 plus times that the FBI spied on American citizens without a warrant, without a reason, just because for some reason they supported a certain political candidate or on the other side, which we don't know if that's Republican or Democrat, or on the other side of this argument, they were part of the George Floyd protest.

Regardless, guess what, we think it's egregious and we think it's ridiculous that this would happen in our country. We don't even know which George Floyd protesters they were spying on. Were they spying on counter protesters who were conservative or more right leaning? Were they spying on the actual protesters for George Floyd? Either way, it's a violation of American rights. Here's how you know how bad it is, the FBI ran more than 20,000 queries to try and find a foreign influence connection to these individuals. 23,000 times? Guess how many they found?

None. No indications of foreign influence related to the query terms used. So they misused section 702 of FISA and of course we know it's been abused. I don't think we realize it's been abused on this level of scale, Logan. This is like spying on a significant chunk of the American people when you are going without a warrant so secretly you have no adversarial process and no knowledge that you and your communications and the people you're communicating with. Because that's how FISA works and those warrantless wiretaps work is they start spying on you and all of your contacts that you're talking to and they'll start spying on them as well.

So the web spreads. Had no indication, no knowledge, that you were being spied on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. That happened to nearly 300,000 Americans in just one year.

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Welcome back to SECO. We are taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. I didn't want to fill you into the ACLJs in federal court over this matter. We sent a FOIA back in July to the FBI when it was reported that there were in the Wall Street Journal a number of these warrantless spying going on of American citizens. So we filed the FOIA.

We've got action on that. June 1st the judges ordered us to meet and confer with the FBI. That means that the FBI again is then under pressure to start delivering documents to us at the ACLJ about why they felt it was appropriate to issue this many warrantless searches and wiretaps and spying on American people. Now we know the number is 278,000 in just one year. Nearly 300,000 Americans spied on. Mostly from the right.

Some from the left. And we know Logan it was based on that testimony last week by those brave FBI agents. A lot of this is likely tied to trying to create a domestic violence extremism number which is inaccurate. So as they so carefully explained, the reason why DOJ and Mayor Garland and Joe Biden gets up there and says domestic violent extremism, not fentanyl, is the most dangerous threat to America. Even though fentanyl is the number one killer between Americans 18 to 45.

So you think that was pretty much the number one killer. They get up and say domestic violent extremism is the number one problem. And that's because we know on January 6th for each arrest made they went to someone's, instead of treating it as a Washington DC event, they went to every single local jurisdiction and city and then they counted that as a domestic violent extremist event in that town. So all those protesters, many who did break the law, who showed up in Washington when they were arrested at home, that counted as a separate domestic violent extremist event. So they are misusing the numbers for their own political narrative.

But that's one thing. Spying on the American people without going through the legal process to get a warrant, to have probable cause about why you need it. This is why we must have politicians elected who can fundamentally transform the FBI. And in the meantime, what we're going to do with the ACLJ is keep the pressure on these institutions so we can expose their wrongdoing.

Let Congress know about it so they can do their oversight as well. And we all know what it's building to. It's building to a time where we know that real reform is going to get done with elections. But we have to build towards that. We have to get the evidence ready.

We have to prepare all the documents. We have to be ready to go on day one if conservatives take back the White House and the House and then the Senate too. That we can start dismantling the bad actors in these agencies and making the decision about whether or not they should be abolished altogether and reconstituted at a different form.

So I think that's where we are and that's why the work is so critical right now. We have to be prepared to hit the ground running to take these deep state agencies apart. They're going to continue to abuse us. They're going to continue to abuse our constitutional rights and trample on them. 300,000 Americans should not be spied on without a warrant by the FBI. That is living in a police state.

That is like living in a dictatorship and it cannot be allowed in the United States. And it's certainly not a filing error. This is done intentionally. We're getting to the bottom of it at the ACLJ. Absolutely. Let's go ahead and take a call because I think hopefully that will inspire you to call in as well at 1-800-684-3110. Let's go to Bill in Illinois on Line 1. Bill, welcome.

Thanks for taking my call. So at least 761 times every day the FBI surveilled American citizens. Meanwhile, we've got millions of illegal aliens including terrorists and other criminals running wild in the country. They don't do anything about that. Yeah, well listen, that's because they don't count that as a serious problem. They count domestic violent extremism as the number one problem, not illegal immigration, not the drug crisis that is coming through our border. Many senators wanted to declare an epidemic of a drug crisis because of how many people are dying from fentanyl and fentanyl-related overdoses in America. The Democrats said no.

It didn't fit their narrative that the border was out of control. So instead what do they do? They say the number one problem is domestic violent extremism. Except turn on the news, right? Turn on the news. Is that what you're seeing as the normal problem with crime in all the communities across the country day to day?

No. You're seeing street crime as the problem and drug-related crime as the problem. And occasionally there's bad actors influenced by bad political thought, of course, in America.

But it's certainly not the number one driver. They had to play funny math to get there. But that's what they're going to take to the American people, Logan, politically. They're going to say, these Republicans, they're not going to do anything about this major threat of domestic violent extremism. They're going to show you a map. And even though all those people are connected to the same event on the same single day, they're going to make it look like there's thousands of these actions going on all across the country.

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And of course, share that feed with your friends and family. I mean, I think Logan, one of these issues that we're looking at, we talk about utilizing Pfizer this way. And again, over 278,000 times Americans were spied on improperly is the word they use. I would say unconstitutionally because I read the Fourth Amendment search and seizure that you're not you're not supposed to be spied on unless there's probable cause that they are supposed to go and get a warrant. This is warrantless. This is without court. They did not go and try to get a court order to spy on you.

They just defined you as a foreign national or somehow an enemy of the United States and thus you can then be spied upon as an American citizen. Remember, we thought, you know, they were doing this to the Trump, a lot of the Trump members of the Trump team and their foreign policy team. But even there, it seemed like they were doing it fairly rare. Three or four people is all we knew about. Now we know the extent. In one year, they did it 278,000 times.

We think about that number. That is a lot of Americans who have no idea because there's not going to be paperwork on this. You know, you didn't get a warrant. You didn't go to court.

You didn't get to fight back. They didn't go to court to get a warrant, a probable cause. They didn't have to show that. There's over 278,000 Americans who were spied on illegally who don't know it. Yeah, I think that's pretty shocking for everybody. I mean, it makes you question everything you've ever texted, who you're talking to, what things are. We talk about wiretapping out. We use that term colloquially. It means every data you've got going in and out, which can mean conversations in your home, using technology to get those because that's very available through things like Alexa and your smart TVs and your phones that are always on.

Of course, messages on your phones, emails, texts, and other social media sites. So it's basically full scope. We say wiretap because that's the kind of way it's described as a warrantless wiretap. What it means now is not just what's on your phone or when you make a call.

It's literally right when you're in your home talking to your husband or wife. Literally, they're able to pull that. That's pretty terrible. We know they can do it. Yeah. But now they're doing it without a warranty. Yeah, there's no, potentially, yeah. They didn't have to go to court.

No reason. And show probable cause. Or they find some reason to say that you're internationally connected or something. Right, or someone you're talking to is. So, I mean, think about how many of us make a phone call a day to an American company and end up talking to someone overseas.

Almost every day. Right? I mean, a lot of service departments. Does that now trigger you to be spied on?

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We've got a court mandated date June 1st, so just right around the corner with the FBI to get more documents on this. We continue to fight. Support our work. Donate today at ACLJ.org. When we come back, the battle for life raging in the States will update you. Welcome back to Secula. We are taking your calls to 1-800-684-3110.

That's 1-800-684-3110. We'll get back into more and take some of your calls on the warrantless wiretapping. In fact, there's an update from our attorney, Ben Sisney. He said, you know, this new info in this new report from the FBI about the 278,000 warrantless wiretaps that were put out on Americans in just one year. This new info will actually shape how we negotiate our FOIA, which was filed before this information was presented. So we will now even have another way to negotiate with the FBI on getting more documents and more information about why they continue to abuse the Section 702 power, which is about, if you read it just upright, you would think as an American, if you were reading it, or an FBI agent, you didn't have any context.

You just read it. You'd read the provision to mean foreign nationals, so someone who is not an American citizen, but they have gone to flip it, figure it all around. If you're connected to a foreign national or if they believe that you might be acting on the behalf of a foreign government, that suddenly you have now lost your protections under the Constitution. You are no longer subject to them needing to go get a warrant and show probable cause. So they're totally abusing a power which was supposed to be targeted at only people who are not American.

And yet now it's being used, of course, to spy on Americans. So we'll take your calls on that as we continue at 1-800-684-3110. But we want to bring in CeCe Howe because, CeCe, a couple of big updates on life. One update in a case we're filing in Arizona and also work just in this latest Planned Parenthood report. Yeah, so in Arizona, like we have told you, you know, our listeners all along, after the Dobbs case, the fight to protect the lives of unborn babies doesn't stop.

It goes to each state. So in Arizona, there was a law on the books pre-Roe that banned abortions with a life of the mother exception. And after Roe, that law was enjoined, stopped, and then after Dobbs, it was reinstated.

So you have a law on the books that basically protects the life of the baby, bans abortion with a life of the mother exception. And this is the law that's now being challenged, and we are filing an amicus brief today supporting and arguing that the state indeed has a compelling interest in protecting the life of a preborn baby at all of its stages. So that's what we'll be filing today.

I'm holding it in my hands now. We'll put it up on our website when it's filed. But again, just to show you the breadth of the work the ACLJ is doing from issue to issue, whether it's the spying by the FBI and we're involved there in court with the FBI, whether it is life in Arizona, we are in court battling for life. And C.C., it's certainly a time we've got to battle for life because we had the great victory overturning Roe v. Wade, and we knew that that would send us into a whole new war and a battle in the states, like the case in Arizona. And about half the country, which would be very pro-life, and about half the country would be very pro-abortion, and Planned Parenthood is still conducting record-breaking numbers of abortions. Yeah, so we always follow their yearly reports, and this is the 2021-2022 report that just came out, and they literally entitled it relentless, and you better believe that they are relentless. Their numbers for the abortions that were performed, 374,155, and that's the second highest number of abortions ever. And then another kind of record-breaking number is they received over $670 million in taxpayer funds, and that is the most ever under this Biden administration. This is the most amount of money that Planned Parenthood has ever received from taxpayer funding, and this is an organization that operates with a revenue of almost $2 billion. Yeah, and we used to say they were a billion-dollar-a-year organization.

They are now getting close to $2 billion a year, and that's because about, it's not even half anymore, but a decent chunk is coming from you and me. And that, of course, changes, Logan, because of who's in the White House. Yeah, absolutely.

It depends on where funds are going, what they're willing to do. You know, like, the first thing that always happens is the Mexico City policy is always that one that gets, it's the first thing we're going to do, and that happens on both sides. It happens. I don't even know where that stands now in terms of, I guess, it doesn't matter because- Under Biden. Under Biden, yeah. And that obviously is one of those ones that's a big talking point that flips, and obviously that's taxpayer funding, international abortions that happens, and all of those different things that can happen within it. So you see that when you do have a Democrat in office, and we try to fight back as much as we can, but I think it's also important for those who are wanting to still be on the front lines of life. Sadly, there's been a big group of people who saw that Dobbs was over, that Dobbs happened, Roe was overturned, and they just checked out of the issue, thinking, we won. And yes, to some extent, it was a huge victory. It can't be undersold how big of a victory it was for the pro-life movement, but it certainly didn't end. It ended abortions in certain states, not to say it can't come back, but certainly not the fight, the end of the fight. It's not game over for Planned Parenthood just yet.

No, I mean, think about it. In 2021 to 2022, CC, 375,000 children were killed by Planned Parenthood. That's right, and that's the second highest number since they've been reporting. So the battle is not over, absolutely. Children are still being murdered, and we still have to stand for life, and we're doing that on a national basis against Planned Parenthood, and we do it on a state-by-state basis as well.

And we will never stop fighting to protect the life of the innocent unborn. I see it in the chats, Logan, Roger on Rumble Road, and that's what Chickalay wrote in followers. Remember to click the follow button. Roger wrote in, I'm a long-time watcher, but a new follower.

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And that's pretty rare even on over-the-air broadcasts. So very cool. I'm glad to have a lot of you joining us. But especially when it comes to situations like this conversation about life, these are conversations that are not happening on a lot of mainstream platforms. No, they're not. And even if they are happening, there's no action. So here at the ACLJ, everything we're talking about, whether it's the warrantless spying, we've got a court-ordered meeting with the FBI on June 1st on that very issue. We're going to now take this new information we're talking about today into that meeting. It helps us as we negotiate with the FBI on the information we want back to provide to you and Congress about why the FBI thought it's a good idea to continue expanding warrantless spying on American people without going through a warrant process, a probable cause process, bypassing the courts, which is unconstitutional. We also, when it comes to life, we're battling in every single state.

In this case, it's out of Arizona. But if you look at ACLJ.org, you will see just the work we are doing across the country to battle for life. We don't just talk about these issues on the broadcast. We live them, we work them, and it's because of you, our donors, that we're able to fight all of them. Donate today, ACLJ.org. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. Welcome back to Sekulow. We are taking your calls to 1-800-684-3110. We've been talking about a couple of issues right off the bat.

I do want to make sure we take the calls on that. The FBI improperly using, they admitted to this, warrantless searches on American people 278,000 times in 2021. That's the latest numbers we have through utilizing the FISA courts. So that's a secret court system.

It's not adversarial. That means that you don't have an attorney. You don't know that they are going in to seek this authority to get this search on you. They don't have to have the same probable cause hearing. So this abuse, again, because they are identifying you as someone who is foreign. And thus you have, for that purpose, given up your constitutional rights.

That is not what the founders thought when they were writing the Article 4 of the U.S. Constitution. So we're in court over this with the FBI. And June 1st we have a court mandated meeting with the FBI to actually go through the documents that we want provided about the decision. Why are they doing this? Hey, we know they're doing it.

So we want to know why. Like why is this something, is this a new policy change? Have they reinterpreted a statute to give them this broad power? Because Congress certainly needs to know that if they need to go in and tighten it up. This power actually ends, if it's not reauthorized, at the end of this year. This FISA power. And I think there's a lot of Americans who maybe five, six years ago would have been arguing to keep it. Who have now said, you know what, this has been so abused it's not worth the protection we might get from outside bad actors. Because it's so abusive of the American people. And that there's a better way to target real foreign actors and terrorists without giving them a tool that allows them to target us as the bad actors.

Without having to go through a normal court process. Alright, let's go to Bruce who's calling in Texas on Line 2. Bruce, welcome to the broadcast. Yes, sir. Thank you for taking my call. Go ahead. Okay, real quick, I want to say before I say what I'm going to say. Hey, God bless you guys for everything you do. Thank you, appreciate it. Our founding fathers and the Champions of Liberty would be so proud of you guys today. They would be. Okay?

Thank you so much. Well, what I'm hearing about the FOIA, and I know that was a previous discussion, but what gets me is I've been watching this stuff for over 50 years. And my concern is you put these FOIA requests out there and they are going to, in their terms, condition the information that you're going to get from the FOIA. In other words, they're going to doctor it up, delete, modify it.

They're going to cover their butts on this thing. And so my concern is you're doing these FOIAs, which I think is great, but my concern is the accuracy and what they have done with the information. So here's what we usually do. First time we get the actual documents, we go through them with a fine tooth comb. And we actually find, Bruce, exactly what you're talking about.

We've talked about it with Rick Rinnell, who's part of our team. They overly redact. They overly classify. So we usually go back three and four and five times. And usually we win this in court. The court agrees with us. We shouldn't have to go through a process that lengthy.

That's not how the FOIA law was set up. But we do. That's just how things are right now in our country. So we do exactly what you're concerned about. We make sure it isn't the case.

So we don't just accept their first reply. Their first reply is like their first offering in a negotiation. And it's never the truth. It's never everything.

It's never what you actually want. Ultimately, you do get it because a court is breathing down their neck saying, I've told you ten times FBI or one other government agency to provide this. Stop wasting my time here in my court, as the judges would say, and provide the information you're mandated to under the law.

And when you ultimately then do get it, it is good information. And then if you've got a hostile executive branch but friends in the house, like we do right now in the Judiciary Committee and Oversight Committee, you get it right to them and you start getting FBI agents that testify before the committee. You see this work happen in real time when you see the people testifying and you see the information we're getting leading into the next election.

All right, welcome back to Secchio. There's a couple of issues that are going to be, I think, more and more focused on because they can affect the U.S. economy. First is the debt ceiling discussions. And, Logan, I don't know if you were paying as close attention, but this is very important because, again, it can have an impact on, if we default, it can have an impact on the stock market.

It's like the people want more uncertainty right now. In fact, Republicans were the adults in the room who actually extended the debt ceiling so that we could have these negotiations. They finally then got to the negotiating table. Joe Biden was unwilling to even negotiate with the Republicans who control the House of Representatives. He was unwilling to negotiate with them until they embarrassed the Democrats by actually moving forward and extending the debt ceiling.

Not long, but long enough to have the negotiations. And what Republicans are looking for is basically, Logan, and this is what's interesting, is a return to the spending pre-COVID. That's it. Just to go back to how it was. Not a massive reform. They understand Democrats have the White House. Democrats have the Senate.

Something that's fairly reasonable that maybe could make it. So you could get some spending under control so we're not out of control with our deficits. But hey, there was a lot of COVID money that wasn't even spent. So also putting that back into the coffers.

Oh, remember that? Where was all that extra stuff that was laying around? Yeah, so there's money that could be put back into the coffers.

There's also- I'm going to ask you this. Explain coffers. You know- I think these are words that most people don't use. Well, back into the different government bank accounts. Right, I understand that. I just want to clarify for those of you.

Not coffins. Well, I think that may be what they're here. Yeah, so back into the various departments' coffers. I think you would say it like that because it's not like there's the federal treasury. I think a lot of this would go back to departments. But then those departments' budgets, they wouldn't need as much new money because they would already have money to utilize.

It's already there, yeah. So the fact that Democrats- I feel like that's where we're going to end is somewhere around there. They also included a 1% raise in spending.

The Republicans. Which, by the way, is trillions of dollars. Yeah, 1%. It's like owning 1% of Disney or something.

Yeah. Oh, well, that's billions of dollars. So 1% of the U.S. budget, and you get to increase flatly based off that, is a significant amount of increases.

But Republicans are getting done what they can get done. Here's the second part to what I think is also interesting. They figured out through- I watched the whole thing on this yesterday on 60 Minutes about the defense contractors over charging for, like, Patriot missile systems and things that have been- some of the things that have been in existence. Stinger missiles that used to cost 50 grand in the 1980s and now are $400,000. It's basically the same system. And, yeah, there's inflation in cost, but basically there's, like, one company who makes one valve and you can't send up the helicopter unless you pay for the valve.

Well, the valve went from $80 to $8,000. Sounds like a big pharma situation. Yes. And, like, well, who created the problem? The Pentagon or the defense contractors?

It's kind of a mix of both. Well, what we found here, which is usually something we don't find, is that we overvalued how much- how many weapons we sent to Ukraine by $3 billion. So here's where we're at.

I'd like to see what you think about it. You could either say with the $3 billion, wow, that's $3 billion we got back into those DOD coffers, like I'll say at the end of the conference. But I feel like the left is going to say, we got $3 billion, let's go spend it. Yeah.

How many more abortions can we provide? That's, you know, those kind of things. Yeah. Yeah, of course they'll spend it, and they'll spend it on things that are, you know, it's a hospital for roaches, and we're going to study these roaches, and we have to make this roach hospital out of marble, and it's got to be the top-notch marble. Then we're going to cover it with stucco.

No one's going to see the beautiful marble, but the roaches will know. Yes, but we can't house migrants. No. Or veterans. They get kicked out fairly. Yeah, no, the veterans, I'm sorry, you're being replaced by some sort of, the roaches, some sort of species of bird that has been, you can't find it, but if it does attack, that's a problem, so we have created it. We've tortured them. I think that's what the Democrats do. They take animals, they torture them.

I'm just going to throw stuff out there until someone stops me, and, you know, it just can keep going. I can come up with a lot of ways they could spend $3 billion. Killing babies. I mean, that's number one. Always it number one.

That's day one. Starting wars. Yeah, like you said, better missiles, or more missiles to countries that we don't really have affiliation with. Yeah. You know, it's just, we're just going to start sending missiles in like a, you know, like a mass mailer.

Like a care package? You know, you just get them sometimes and be like, who, how did I even get on this list? I'm on this missile list that just showed up here. I don't even know what to do with it. It takes up my whole backyard. Pakistan's like, wow, I thought we had enough nuclear weapons. Yeah.

What do we need this for? Yeah, well, I mean, keep it in storage somewhere and I got to get a rental facility. You got to be air conditioned because that would be a good store. One of those Taliban's got theirs in storage. Yeah, true. Yeah. That's, yeah, they definitely do. They're the number one arms dealer in the world right now. Yeah, exactly.

Then they have a... That's a trustworthy one. Yeah. Maybe a couple hundred thousand more IRS agents. I mean, what else can we come up with here?

Oh, yeah. With $3 billion, you could really get started on that. $3 billion. I mean, I assume a starting IRS agent.

I mean, it shouldn't be more than like $25,000. I don't know. I'm kidding. I don't know what they, what they... Oh, that's true.

That's true. It's like the DMV. You're paying, you're paying premium. We'd love for you to call in. We're just kind of goofing off here, but this is, these are real problems.

These are real issues that, but you do kind of spiral into these things because you look at how it is on a grand scheme and it feels aggressive, you know, whether that's that or the spying. Well, on the one hand that we can't, again, come to a budget agreement, which I think is just fair, I'm an honest broker. So when the Democrats are in charge, I don't expect we're going to get everything we want, right? But we do have power because the house is controlled by Republicans. So we should get something. So I think just a return to pre-COVID spending is still very high spending. And that 1% increase is still a lot of potential for increase. So why is that? I know that Democrats will always want more, but it seems like that's just a very fair, Republicans are being the fair and reasonable ones.

I say this because we have to be careful here. If there is a default or government shutdown, the Republicans will be blamed. And historically, Logan, whether you agree with the Republicans or not, it does not pull well for us when we get blamed for shutdowns, it is not worked out.

No. And I think a lot of people always have, sort of like you say in conference, people don't really fully understand the concept of a government shutdown and what it means. I know you've been out on the streets, you can see where public parks get sometimes closed down or you're watching DC, the monuments may not be open. These are the kinds of things that happen, it's kind of like going on strike for a lot of people.

So yeah, it does not look good ever, it doesn't look good ever, any side, when a government shutdown happens. Because you hear those words and it's terrifying, I think for a lot of people. Our producer will think they're going to send you some kind of military equipment, then they can use it to spy on you with Section 705. Yeah, because they'll say you are an extremist. Well yeah, you're an extremist because you've got a Patriot missile system in your backyard. You didn't ask for it.

If you do have that, by the way, that's pretty insane. You should probably report it, if the US government tried to give that to you, you say no. Unless you're Zelensky.

Like the FBI shows up at your front door. If you're Zelensky you say, this is all you're sending? Yeah.

That's not good enough. The billions. Where are the F-16s? I heard there's 3 billion on the table here. Yeah, I mean see that's why I get nervous, instead of saying like, well great, we've saved 3 billion. That's not like most people would operate their economies, right? Businesses would operate that way. Hey, we had an accounting error, they got on their earnings call and said we actually have 3 billion in the bank that we didn't know, or that we accounted for spending that we didn't have to spend, their stock price would go up.

These are good things. If you looked at the US government as kind of running a business, which in many cases they are, because they're buying and selling and manufacturing and telling people what to manufacture, and you've got 3 billion dollars extra, why can't we turn that back into, again, cutting spending? You don't need it, we could cut 3 billion dollars from the Department of Defense budget, because they've got it.

Instead of just saying, oh we've got to rush 3 billion dollars out the door back to Ukraine, or some other country like you said, or just send it around to America. Yeah, but there's a comment that came in on Rumble that said Biden doesn't want to reach a deal, he put the Republicans off for over 100 days. Yes, I mean it took the Republicans extending the debt ceiling, which they thought they weren't going to be able to do by vote, and then Ken McCarthy called them on it, got all the Republicans to do it.

It's a temporary extension. When that happened, so Ken McCarthy called their bluff, and they had to bring him into the room. So now the main negotiator is Ken McCarthy, Schumer for the Democrats, and then Biden, because I think again, Mitch McConnell's role is more limited here, it's because the Democrats control the Senate, so it's what the Senate Democrats will vote for, what the House Republicans will vote for, and then ultimately what the President will sign. We know where the House Republicans are now, it's return to pre-COVID spending, which just seems like common sense since the pandemic is over. And they ended all the other protections. Right, so it's all come to an end, so return to that spending and allow for a 1% increase in the budget, and that's where we'd be.

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Alright, thanks for taking my call. Hey, why don't the Republicans keep on telling the American people that if you spend more money than what you take in as a family or business, what's going to happen to you? This is what's happening to our country. We're spending more money than what they're getting in, and at least a business and a family can file bankruptcy, but the government can't. Well that would be a very dark day, right, I mean a dark day if the U.S. government's loans or our currency was devalued, I mean that's what we'd be talking about is something like that. Remember, I mean we are right now, we borrow money from China to pay our bills here. So we are funding our adversaries who buy our debt to fund our bills that are out of control spending. I mean you see how the debt number goes up, you can go to that website, it's insane. I think it's at $33 trillion right now, I mean $33 trillion. Yep, it's wild to watch it continue to grow, I think a lot of people have a lot of questions based on how that all works, how the debt ceiling works, how debt works in general.

I think we have a call and we're going to see if they're ready here in just a minute to be on the air, so we'll see in just a second. But there are a lot of people who are, you know, they're curious about how this all works. When you hear the theory of the debt ceiling and you hear a government shutdown, why does this happen and who's controlling this and why does it seem like something that's cyclical? Well there's a couple things, you can default, if you don't have a budget, you can default on your payments and then that gets your credit rating taken down because it's like if you don't pay your credit card bill on time, they don't necessarily shut you off immediately or like turn off your credit card. They might turn off your credit card for time being but they don't like, they give you some time to pay back. Like if you don't pay your water bill month one, you usually have like two or three months to pay it.

Let's go to Rod who's calling it Ohio. If though, if you do that in a big way in a default, just like in that scenario, while you'll still get your water on ultimately and it won't be shut off, your credit score will go down, right? Yeah, I mean that's what happens, your credit score gets hits, major hits if you start not paying your bills on time. Same thing happens to the US government.

Our credit ranking goes down in the world, which means it's not as safe or good idea to do business with the US government. Gotcha. That makes a little more sense. Let's go to Rod who's calling in Ohio online too.

Rod, welcome. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Hey, I have a question I don't understand. How can we be having to borrow money when we print our own money? What do we borrow for?

Well, okay. Unlike China, we don't do currency manipulation. If we just printed money, guess how much the money you have right now would be worth? Well, it could be worth half as much because if we printed double the amount of dollars that were on the market right now, your money would be devalued by half or more. So if you start just printing more money, that just devalues all Americans.

So again, I get your first issue. I think that people always say, hey, we printed, China does the same thing. What China does is they manipulate the market.

They don't do it in a rational way. That's why though the US dollar has continued to be the benchmark. That's in question now, but I think as so long as we don't make stupid moves like that, which on paper people say, you know, we print the money, why are we letting China get away with it? Well, our government ultimately doesn't want to devalue your worth and your income and your savings because if it was done on a mass scale of printing of money, that's when you're hitting like a depression. That's when you have gone over the fiscal cliff. You are in a seriously economic dire time, so we don't want to do that. No.

And look, last call again, if you want to be on the air, 1-800-684-3110, hopefully that gives you a bit of a... I think people have those questions because they just hear those terms. They hear those terms thrown around so much. I'm on Twitter and I'm looking at every Congressman and every Senator, all of them posting debt ceiling, debt ceiling, shut down without any sort of context, but any sort of breakdown of why or how this is happening, just we know we're getting there and it always feels political. It never feels like something that is... They are talking about that trillion dollar coin.

Oh yeah. If we just make that $1 trillion coin, put it in a bank, I mean, that is a theory that actually is happening out there. Yes, by Democrats. And how does that not impact all of us? By the way, not like this giant coin made out of some sort of rare mineral that actually would be... This is a fictional... This would be like me taking a Chuck E. Cheese coin and going, this is worth $3 trillion and now I'm going to go put it in a bank. Yeah, just like your dollar money. Yes, exactly. But it feels... I don't know. It's not based on a gold standard. No, not anymore, but it feels so manipulated to be like, this is $3 trillion, therefore we paid it back.

This is how obsessed they are with spending more and more and more of your money and not actually figure out the problem. Yeah. I did want to...

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