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That's right. And we really wanted to focus on some of the foreign policy stuff today. Earlier this week, we focused a lot on some domestic things and some politics, whether it be 2024 or the bank issue. But we also don't want to neglect that there's a lot going on in the foreign policy world. And a lot of that has to do with China. We mentioned earlier in the week that China is making these ties, these big ties with Russia and with facilitating a deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. So we're going to have some of our experts on to kind of break down a lot of this stuff that's been going on with China and what it means really for the American people.

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We are taking your calls as well at 1-800-684-3110. We are talking about the news that a second intelligence agency within the US government has concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic most likely came from a lab leak. This time it was the Department of Energy and their intelligence department. First it's been the FBI who came out and said they also said the FBI, the virus likely spread via a mishap at the Chinese lab. This is a huge 360 degree turnaround from where we were back in 2020 with the Fauci's of the world and the talking heads of the world who told us with certainty that this could not have come from a lab.

This had to have just originated in a wet market in China. It certainly didn't come from the research they were funding with some of your taxpayer dollars, which Congress is investigating now. Rick Rinnell is joining us. He is our senior advisor for foreign policy and national security. He was the acting director of national intelligence. Rick, just your overall first reaction to yet another agency within the intel world coming out and saying, you know what, it's likely this had nothing to do with the wet market and everything to do with the lab in China.

Look, they already said this. This is a very confusing mess right now. And I will say this, Jennifer Granholm, the Secretary of Energy is politicizing intelligence. She needs to get a handle on her intelligence community.

She needs to read the April 30th, 2020 intelligence community wide assessment. It's clear in that assessment from April 30th, 2020 that the media totally ignored that I negotiated this statement from all intelligence agencies. We had to change verbs. We had to change nouns. We had to change everything in order to get all intelligence agencies to sign off. And the intelligence community concluded that COVID started in Wuhan either in the lab through a leak, which by the way, they don't believe was on purpose. This is what the intelligence community said. So a mistake lab leak or a lab animal somehow getting transmitted to a human and there were differing opinions about whether or not that lab animal was eaten, whether someone touched it. But it all stemmed to the Wuhan lab, either a lab leak by mistake or a lab animal. This is what the intelligence community said on April 30th, 2020. Read the statement.

It's still on the DNI website. So Rick, let me follow that up because they're saying that they classify these things as moderate confidence, low confidence, but the fact is even under the low confidence, they said that points to that all the evidence is pointing to at this point that this was a lab leak situation. Now, as you said, there's no evidence right now, as far as your understanding is without divulging anything you can, is there any evidence pointing at one way or another, whether that lab leak was intentional or not, or is that still pretty much unknown? Well, look, I haven't been briefed on a daily basis for a very long time, so I don't want to go out and say where they are, but let me be clear about one thing. The intelligence agencies always have a level of confidence, but they do not sign on to a public statement unless they agree. And so it's very important for people to understand that we negotiated this in this IC wide statement. We had different, more confident words that were taken out by some agencies because they said we can only sign on to what we believe. This document from April 30th, 2020 that I negotiated is a signed off document by the intelligence community. Why would Avril Haines still have this document on the DNI website? Because it still stands as truth. Rick, I wanted to ask you this because President Trump said this way back in 2020, this is again in March, April of 2020, he was clear about it and yet the media, the press, the talking heads would not accept it.

Take a listen by 23. We're looking at exactly where it came from, who it came from, how it happened separately and also scientifically. So we're going to be able to find it. And my question is, have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the origin of this virus?

Yes, I have. So we were being told this in plain sight and so was the media, Rick, and they still would not buy into that theory. They had to go into the theory that this was an accident, a wet market, this was no way it was manmade or created by, you know, created a lab. Now look, we were fed a line by the media because we were in the midst of an election, let's be honest about it. They wanted to create fear and chaos because they wanted to defeat Donald Trump and they saw this as a way to start sending ballots to people, telling them to stay home, and we'll just send you a ballot in the mail.

That is literally what their strategy was when they saw this. I'm sorry that we don't have enough media in Washington, D.C. to ask Jennifer Granholm what's changed from April 30th. There is only one thing that could have changed, and that is the intent because that statement is clear that COVID started in China, it started in Wuhan, and it started by an accident because that is what the intelligence community on April 30th believed, that it was an accident. Rick, let me take it to the next step because I look at this thing from a legal perspective on culpability and liability. Here's one thing we do know, an organization I have no confidence in, World Health Organization said China is not cooperating with access and data, that they're keeping that data away from the World Health Organization, which just tells me that this is, as we've suggested, that this is, China's culpability here is clear one way or another.

They are the ones liable for what wreaked havoc on the rest of the planet, and like I said, I lost a brother to this disease. Let me be very clear. We've always known since the early days of COVID, remember I was acting DNI in the early days of COVID when it first came onto our radar. The reality is we always knew that the Communist Party in China was in charge and covering this up. We know this. I can't go into all of the proof and all of the intelligence, but there is not a single person with a top security clearance that would ever say that China did not cover this up very aggressively. And many Americans, many American politicians fell into their trap, and they had to have defensive briefings by the FBI to say, wake up, you're being used by China during this COVID process. This is a reality.

Anyone with a top secret security clearance will tell you this. I urge people to go to the DNI website and find the April 30th, 2020. I've tweeted it out, the statement. It's very clear Jennifer Granholm is manipulating intelligence, and some reporter in Washington needs to ask her, why did the Department of Energy sign off on the statement on April 30th, 2020, and now you're pretending like something's new?

We have entire IC-wide agreement about Wuhan. You know, this to me, I think it's very telling, Rick, because, and it just confuses people, because on the one hand we're told this is what we kind of believe, the assessment. Then we're told it's breaking news, the same assessment, and it's the reasoning behind it. I think that's what people try to figure out is, what is the purpose of another agency in Washington saying what the FBI said to the public and coming out yet again? Is it that the role of what your job was for people at DNI is to put all these intelligence agencies together so that when they speak, they speak with a voice that is singular, especially on issues that's so huge, not just to the U.S., but the world? Let me push back a little bit on that, Jordan, because it's incredibly difficult to get an intelligence community-wide assessment. We have too many intelligence agencies that just stick to certain things, for instance, at the State Department or in other places. Those intelligence officials only kind of do, think of it as their cone, and so when you ask them to comment on the assessment when it comes to something like COVID, many of them will say, well, we don't monitor that. We're not saying no, it's just that's not something that we can sign off on. We had to be very careful on how we got the intelligence community assessment-wide.

Let me just finish with this. People need to be very sophisticated about the intelligence community. When you see an IC-wide statement, that is all the intelligence agencies agreeing, that is a very big deal. When you see raw intelligence, that's untested, that's something that we don't know is actually true, but somebody might have said something. It can be gossip.

It can be a foreigner saying something that's wrong, but we heard them say it. And so this is the problem with leaks, is that anonymous leaks for partisan purposes go to reporters, reporters report things that are untested, unverified, not IC-wide. To get the intelligence community, IC, to get the entire IC community to agree to something is incredibly difficult. Rick, we appreciate it. Thanks for being with us. As always, your support of the ACLJ and all these issues that we just discussed in this segment are really critical. This is how we engage on these issues, and that's where your support comes in. I encourage you to go to ACLJ.org and stand with us in our matching challenge campaign.

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I don't know if you're watching. If you're watching on Rumble or YouTube or Facebook, you saw a video package that we ran during our commercial break about a win, essentially, that has happened, or at least movement that has happened in our fight against the Smithsonian. You may remember during the March for Life, there was a group of kids who were out there at the Smithsonian, at the National Archives, and they got met with some pretty angry security guards who told them to take off their pro-life beanies. They literally were just blue and said, pro-life, and there's the cool name, and maybe one woman was told to take off her sweatshirt. That was at archives. The archives, you know, it became an all out kind of assault on not only freedom of speech, but of course, people who are pro-life.

And they were definitely targeted for being pro-life. And we have a bit of an update and something that again, we always like to present you with not only what's going on in the trouble, but also when there's hope in Washington, D.C., when there's movement in Washington, D.C. And it seems like there is some. So this is following the victory we did have with the National Archives where we got a consent order in that case. But similarly, with the Smithsonian case, we have a consent order and you can put it up on the screen for the audience to see. But what it says is that there's a consent to preliminary injunction. It is hereby ordered that pursuant federal rule of Civil Procedure 65A, defendants, their officers, successors in office, employees and agents are preliminarily enjoined from prohibiting visitors to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum from wearing hats or other clothing with messages, including religious or political speech, so long as the visitor's conduct is otherwise in compliance with Smithsonian policy, which preliminary injunction shall terminate upon the earliest of five years.

On the earliest of final judgment in this action, further order by this court or January 19th, 2025, they also are ordered to distribute this consent order to all security officers. So it's a win. The case isn't over.

The case keeps going. What they're saying is in the meantime, they're saying, hey, we're not going to censor people from attending our facilities wearing a pro-life message or any political or religious message, which is what it should be. Everyone knows this. It should have been that way to begin with.

And guess what? Legally, it probably was. But excluding people who are causing issues, which were not these kids, were not the adults even that were supervising, you're talking about people that were coming from the March for Life. They were there. The biggest march on Washington about the pro-life movement, the first one since Roe versus Wade overturned. And then they were like, hey, we're in Washington, D.C., we should probably, you know, check out some sites.

And they went to see the Smithsonian, went to the National Archives and were abruptly told to not only change, but got very aggressive, got profanity laced. And thankfully, they see the error of their ways. And because of organizations like the ACLJ, specifically us, I'll just say our organization, the ACLJ, we're able to fight against this, get it in national media, get it in front of Fox News crowd, get it all over the planet. So people know how this injustice is happening and how they can fight back.

And sometimes, sometimes, you at least win. And what seemed to be a pattern in D.C. on this day, because we saw it at multiple agencies, we got the first clients at the Smithsonian, and then we had other clients at National Archives. But we went to action, something that would have just been brushed aside or maybe they go back home and they're upset about it, they don't know what to do, but they don't have the resources to go get a lawyer to then go back and sue. That's what the ACLJ is here for. Because of the members of the ACLJ, we are able to provide this legal aid to the students at no cost to them.

And we have some of the greatest lawyers in the world, and they went immediately to work. They sued both the National Archives and the Smithsonian, and they were able to negotiate this consent order. That means that the Smithsonian was like, okay, we know that we can't let this happen again because you're suing us, so we're going to go ahead and consent, and this was presented jointly by the ACLJ and the Smithsonian to the court for the court to order and sign off on. So it is a really big win, but the Smithsonian was never going to do that if it weren't for the ACLJ lawyers going to work. No, what they were hoping was that they kick these kids out and no one ever said anything.

These kids go home sad and they have a story to tell about how they got kicked out of the Smithsonian, but that's not what we do here. For no cost, we took on this case. It looks like we are on the winning side, as you would expect and hope from your government that they would not censor the speech of those who are pro-life or those who have any political leanings. As long as they're not carrying out violence or anything like that in these places, you can have the freedom of speech to say what you want. These were not profane. These were not graphically violent. These were just beanies, blue beanies that just said pro-life. That's it.

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Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. This is Logan Sekulow joined by executive producer Will Haines and we have a great show for you today. We're going to be hitting a lot of topics. We're going to have some great guests.

A lot coming up, Will. That's right, and we really wanted to focus on some of the foreign policy stuff today. Earlier this week, we focused a lot on some domestic things and some politics, whether it be 2024 or the bank issue. But we also don't want to neglect that there's a lot going on in the foreign policy world and a lot of that has to do with China. We mentioned earlier in the week that China is making these ties, these big ties with Russia and with facilitating a deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. So we're going to have some of our experts on to kind of break down a lot of this stuff that's been going on with China and what it means really for the American people.

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I really like those guys over at Rumble. Alright, we'll be right back with more on Sekulow. Welcome back to Sekulow. We're joined by former Secretary of State and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs at the ACLJ. I want to get right into this, Secretary Pompeo, because now we've heard from a second intelligence agency within the U.S. government, the Department of Energy, and this is coming out. An interesting time, too, about reasons why, but has concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic stemmed from a lab leak and that came from their intelligence sources. That kind of follows the FBI that came to a similar assessment, which was very different than what we were being told by the government and a lot of talking heads in the science world early on that said it was basically impossible. What's your reaction to the news of this latest DOE assessment?

Well, Jordan, they're getting close to getting right. As I have said since, I think it's March of 2020, the almost certain location that this virus began was in the laboratory, the WIV laboratory in Wuhan, China. I think that the Chinese Communist Party government knew about this since at least the fall of 19, and they covered it up in all the ways that we seem to have forgotten. But to have the Department of Energy come out and say that, it's good. The State Department, under my leadership, made a lot of the evidence available in the public. It is pretty clear, Jordan, that while nothing is certain with respect to this because the Chinese covered it up, it is almost certain that this virus began in the laboratory in Wuhan, China, and then was sent around the world at the direction of Xi Jinping. You know, Mike, you tweeted out yesterday that there was always enormous evidence that the Wuhan coronavirus leaked from the Wuhan labs you just discussed, and I'm glad the Department of Energy recognizes reality. It's past time to make the CCP pay.

I have been saying that same thing. We have a trade situation with the Communist Party of China. They own a lot of U.S. debt. They wreaked havoc on the United States and the rest of the world for that matter. Making them pay looks like what, in your view?

What would that look like? That's a very important point. It's hard to put it in isolation, but think about the lives lost and the billions of dollars destroyed, not only here in the United States but around the world. The Chinese Communist Party should be on the hook for that. There are mechanisms by which you know this. You've litigated things much, much like this before at the ACLJ.

I'm sure you guys are thinking about it now, too. So there are tools to do that, but it first and foremost takes a U.S. government that is prepared to do what I talked about in that tweet, which was lay out the evidence publicly, the things that we know about how this escaped from the lab. And so there is a compensation mechanism. There are tools that we can impose real costs on them. The Biden administration made an enormous mistake by reentering the World Health Organization. The very international group designed to prevent pandemics that came out and said the Chinese are doing a great job.

It seems like so long ago. They said, hey, Xi Jinping is doing a great job, while millions of people now have died as a result of the decisions that the Chinese Communist Party leadership made. You know, I just want to follow up on that if I can, and that is when you all were in office, I had conversations dealing with this issue of compensation to the United States. And like you said, the rest of the world for the havoc that this brought there.

And there were multiple mechanisms which can be utilized in international tribunals, among other things, that could have really had an impact on this. This administration, Mr. Secretary, doesn't seem to be so interested in that. Now, hopefully we get a new administration in a couple of years. It's not too late. There's no statute of limitations issue here. Would you take direct action if you were calling the shots on this?

100%. It's decent, it's moral, it's right. It will also benefit the world and the American people by reducing the risk that this will ever happen again. We should forget, Jay, that lab that we're all talking about seems like history. It's still open. It's still engaged in the same kind of research. I hope there's no American money, as it appears that there was, to do gain-of-function research there. So I hope we've gotten smarter about that. I don't know what the State Department is doing. But the reason one goes after this, the reason that you want to make clear that the Chinese Communist Party has to be held accountable is not only to recompense those who were harmed, but to deter them from doing this again. They're still at it. They're still engaged in these programs.

It is just a thread in the cloth, right? They flew a balloon over us. You could go through the list. Chinese Communist Party presents a real danger, and we have to hold them accountable on every front. Yeah, going to that, I want to switch to China and their role in Ukraine. So they put out a 12-point peace plan. We are continuing to send military aid to Ukraine, but we have seen nothing like that from the U.S. government publicly, at least a plan to how would this come to a conclusion. But what do you think about and how the world is viewing, I guess, China's attempt at being a peacemaker, if you will, and trying to be a major leader on the world stage?

You sound appropriately skeptical there, Jordan. Look, this peace plan is no more than a Russian propaganda document. It calls for an immediate ceasefire, gives Putin the time to rearm, rebuild, and to continue his efforts. The Chinese are not remotely serious at this, and worse, this iron triangle between Russia and China and Iran now appears to be strengthening weapons going back and forth, energy being transferred from these places.

The three of them decided that they, you know, 150-plus countries around the world, they have two friends apiece, and that is real risk. The Chinese Communist Party is greenlighting Vladimir Putin's destruction of the nation of Israel. You have up on aclj.org a piece called Biden's weakness on full display after a year of Russia's war on Ukraine, and it's not getting any better. The truth is it's not getting any better. You ran the CIA, too, so you've got a wealth of knowledge here in addition to being Secretary of State.

Where does this go in the next six months or a year? Jay, the other thing I have an advantage of is I did get to spend time with Vladimir Putin as well. If we continue, my point was, and by the way, there are many conservatives that disagree with me, I just think we've got to bring this war to an end, and there's only one way to do that, and that is to give the Ukrainians the tools that they need to be successful. In the absence of that, if we dribble them out, if we provide them slowly, if we think about it for a year because we're afraid we're going to provoke Vladimir Putin, then I fear that a year from now we will be sitting looking at something that looks like World War I and will be a stalemate. More innocent civilians killed in Ukraine, that's bad. Vladimir Putin is still in control of Ukrainian territory and feeling like time is on his side, that's bad. But most importantly for the United States and the people here, you'll still have all of the ramifications that we can see so plainly now. Last, Xi Jinping is watching this one, too.

If a year from now America continues to just provide piecemeal assistance, I promise you Xi Jinping will see that as a green light to act in the South Pacific and against Taiwan as well. Last thing here, and that is, going on to a domestic front for a moment, and that is the way the country is operating right now reminds me, a lot of people aren't going to remember this, but I do, and that is the Jimmy Carter years. It just has that malaise. Stock market erratic, inflation high, unemployment low, which is good that unemployment is low, but job payment, job salaries are not keeping up with inflation when it's up at 8%. There is this general sense of frustration.

I mean, you saw a majority of the Democrats polled do not want Joe Biden to run again. So politically, how do we recharge with optimism going forward for the generation that's behind us? The good old-fashioned way. I'm convinced. We're going to figure this out here in America.

I've been out all across the country last year and a half. People are fired up. People get that their kids are being tied garbage in schools and they are taking back control. Parents are taking back control.

I've seen folks do this in their churches and their synagogues all across America. They're saying we're going to go restore the greatness of America from the ground up. That's how we do it, how we've always done it. I'm convinced that there will be leaders, not just folks that run for President or Senate, but city councilmen, district attorneys, school board members all across the country who say, yep, we're headed the wrong direction. We're going to go fix it. They'll take it on their own shoulders and that the American family will be stronger as a result of that. Our faith communities will be and America will get back to the right place. I'm very confident of that, Jay. Yeah, very good.

As always, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs. Great insight. Great to have you on the team. I want to go to your phones, folks. 1-800-684-3110 to talk to us on the air for you to weigh in. That's 1-800-684-3110. Michelle is calling from California online too. Hey, Michelle.

Hi, thank you. I have a comment and a question. So the comment is, I think everyone with half a brain thinks that COVID originated from the lab, and I do think that Fauci bears responsibility as well. And my question is, why is this coming out now?

Because we already, we don't trust the FBI. They knew this information before. So what's going on? I think here's what's happening. The consensus of the intelligence, and this is kind of what Mike and what Rick said, there's a consensus now with the intelligence community.

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1-800-684-3110. I want to play the sound because it's been quite a reversal in the media and even the questions they have to Republican members of Congress. Take a listen. This is Chuck Todd talking to Dan Sullivan from Alaska. If our intelligence community over time determines, this is the majority view and it's the U.S. government's view, that this was a lab leak in China and that government covered it up, what should be the consequences? Well, I think we need to have public hearings on this and really dig into it. Think about what just happened over the last three years.

One of the biggest pandemics in a century. A lot of evidence that it's coming from the Chinese and when other countries even raise it, like Australia, the Chinese use their coercive economic activities to shut people up. But NBC was using its own channel to shut people up in America and name calling.

So Chuck, yes, very tough there. What are we going to do now? Well, maybe if we hadn't spent three years saying it wasn't, then we'd have a little bit more evidence left over. And we forced the World Health Organization in.

If we forced inspectors in on China and said, you know what, if you don't allow inspectors in, that debt you've got on the U.S. Good luck. Right. Or we're not selling you this. We're not buying you this.

Whatever. But we didn't do any of that. And NBC itself didn't do any of that. This is their other host just two years ago.

I guess you would have said this, Joy Reid, to Chuck Todd, to even a question like that by 31. Just weeks ago, Dr. Anthony Fauci rejected the conspiracy that coronavirus was manmade in a lab in Wuhan, China. And yet this week, Donald Trump is still pushing the debunked bunkum.

The debunked bunkum, except now the FBI and the Department of Energy said it is likely that this was created in a lab in Wuhan, China. Now, there are consequences for this, folks, and you can't just give them a free pass. And this administration is giving a free pass. And the media, let's focus on that for a moment, should be embarrassed. And MSNBC, although Chuck Todd is now sounding high and mighty, well, this is very serious if this was an intentional act or even an unintentional act in a Chinese lab different than what we thought before. And then Congressman Sullivan rightly says we'll do oversight hearings.

That's all great. But MSNBC and NBC were peddling this saying that anybody that questioned it was engaged in tinfoil hat stuff. Yeah, they're peddling Chinese propaganda when you play Chris Hayes 2. I mean, this was all in the same month. This is May of 2020. A lot of people on the right love that phrase, escape from the lab, because it sounds like something from a Marvel movie or a comic book. Both scientists and the U.S. intelligence community agree that this coronavirus was not manmade.

That is not a possibility. OK, these guys, they're all wrong, these reporters. Well, here we had doctors.

This is, again, on MSNBC, same month, same year, all in May. This is from a doctor, so it must be true by 24. There are virus hunters out there that have looked at what's the most likely cause, and there's no debate here. Among serious people, there is no debate. This was most likely what we call zoonotic disease.

It went from animal to human, likely in a market in Wuhan. It's not uncommon. Well, Dr. Vin Gupta, interesting statement. He called it a... No debate. No debate, no way this could be.

People are chasing this down. They're all wrong. You never want doctors to say no debate, is it? And by the way... I don't even know what kind of doctor he is. It doesn't matter. I mean, there should always be options to doctors.

No problem. The media was promoting this. Yeah, I don't... We can't even discuss it. Maybe... And by the way, what did the media have to gain by trying to protect the Chinese Communist Party here? That, their business interest in China.

That's what I don't understand. Right. The bigger NBC financial interest in China, which is bigger than their news department. Yes. Keeping sports on, keeping their Marvel movies. People talk about Marvel movies. I think Chris Hayes is talking about making sure those get played. Yeah. There was a lot of backlash by the American people.

Ask John Cena about it when he started speaking in Mandarin in those ads. This is during COVID. It did not play well. So now I think they're going to try to make a reversal like this never happen. Well, they're already doing that. I think the problem is, we know what happened. Look, we have two people on our staff. One was the former Secretary of State, head of the CIA. The other was the former Director of National Intelligence. They said this has been known for years. For years.

Yeah. The problem with this administration is they do not want to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable, and they have complicity in the media. And the media covered this up with them. And anybody that questioned it, like I said, why would the media care if it was in a lab or if it was in a wet market? What difference would that make to the media?

What you should be doing is just finding out what the options are, what's legit. But they went on a rampage to say, oh no, there is no way. There's no evidence. I'm going to play that doctor's statement again, because I'm going to tell you something.

This, to me, sums up the problem with the mainstream media. There are virus hunters out there that have looked at what's the most likely cause, and there's no debate here. Among serious people, there is no debate. This was most likely what we call zoonotic disease. It went from animal to human. Zoonomic disease sounds really impressive.

Virus hunters are looking at this. No debate. Serious people. Because if you question this, you're not a serious person. That's like when somebody calls themselves a public intellectual. They're a public intellectual. Okay, let me tell you what this is.

Media complicity in a pandemic that harmed the United States significantly, wreaked havoc to families and kids with school children, families that lost loved ones, around the globe, not just the United States. So now my question is, okay. So now the FBI and the Department of Energy said, eh, maybe this, yep, most likely this was from the lab that the United States funded, by the way. So that's part of it.

Anthony Fauci's saying there's no way that's correct. You know, I don't know why they were protecting China so aggressively in all this, and they still are. That's like letting a balloon that is a spy device traverse the entire of the United States and then shoot it down when it's over Hilton Head after it's already gotten all its data and sent it back to the Chinese party.

That's aggressive. And then don't worry, they're going to go up and they've got three unidentified balloons, which literally were balloons, and they shot those down too. This is what's happening when you've got this kind of leadership in the White House. Does anybody listening to this broadcast think for a moment China's going to be held accountable for this under this administration?

I don't, but I am encouraged that Jim Jordan and our friends in Congress and Oversight are going to get to the bottom of some of this. Yeah, I mean, the issue is, as unfortunately we don't have a Republican House and Senate, so we don't have a unified Congress to push back. There would have been some action then, we know.

Yes, I alluded to that for people on the broadcast. So we've had to rework kind of the strategies when there is a House. Well, the strategy was going to be we were going to have a special select committee, there would have been outside lawyers involved, and you would have gotten to the bottom of a lot of this. With subpoena power. Now the House has subpoena power, these committees have subpoena power. But again, when we talk about elections and consequences, there is this idea on the left of protecting China. I would like to bring these doctors, why don't we offer these doctors a moment to come on the air here and discuss it, what they're saying. We'll see what they say, oh yes, we still think it's not possible. And I'd like to also, you know, let's get Chuck Todd on here.

Because this is what you really have, that's the problem with all of this. You want to play with Jonathan? No.

No, okay. Yeah, it's just the nastiness of everything combined. Now, we can all be nasty too. I think it's a learning lesson for media, conservative media too.

You can name call you one. Do you remember they were censoring the Facebook and all? It's happening today as we speak, we know it's happening to our YouTube account right now.

We do? Yeah, because we put lab leak in the title. So they're already flagging it? They're still flagging it, I think it's not new.

They're still flagging lab leak. Again, because they have financial interests that are bigger than the truth in China, these companies. Oh, obviously, and that's what we're doing. We can hold China accountable, folks.

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