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REPORT: DOJ DECLINED to Search Biden Home

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January 18, 2023 1:11 pm

REPORT: DOJ DECLINED to Search Biden Home

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January 18, 2023 1:11 pm

The Wall Street Journal reports that the FBI contemplated involving FBI agents in the search for classified documents at President Biden's home. However, they decided against it. Why? Jordan, Logan, and the Sekulow team discuss this revelation and give their perspective on why the DOJ/FBI would decline to search President Biden's home. This and more today on Sekulow.


Today on Sekulow, a new report that the DOJ and FBI declined to search Joe Biden's home after they knew classified documents were found in his office.

Do you think they would have treated a Republican President that way? We'll talk about it today on Sekulow. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you.

Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. The drip, the drip, the drip, it continues. And the document, the classified documents, Joe Biden. And now we're starting to see, I think this is the first hypocritical move we've seen.

Now, obviously, Joe Biden has been hypocritical about this because the way he attacked the Democrats, the way they attacked President Trump. But we were waiting to see kind of, has there been hypocrisy in the law enforcement community? We know there was an issue with National Archives. That's why we have our FOIA out to them because this was six years long.

This was not six months. This is talking about six years where these documents were out in multiple locations. But after Joe Biden's attorneys found the initial classified documents and turned them back over to the correct agencies, National Archives, and then the National Archives informed the Department of Justice. So the Department of Justice knew about this in November. And there was a whole discussion because usually what would the Department of Justice do when they say we've got to go to another location?

We've got to search for more. And some of these attorneys don't even have security clearances. You would say we're going to supervise that. In fact, that's what they did with Trump. In Mar-a-Lago, they were down there after they found out, at least supervising, so they were in the room.

The Department of Justice and the FBI declined in this case to actually accompany Joe Biden's attorneys to do the search at his home. And all they did was say if you find things, we'll send someone to pick it up. Let us know. And this is where the corruption starts to really shine through when you have what happened to President Trump and you had what felt like a pretty strong case being made against current sitting President Joe Biden. But what happens? These kind of moments, these moments of political corruption, and you'll start seeing all of a sudden the news start to refocus and to reshift. And we've got to be careful here because this is when this stuff starts happening. It doesn't become some even playing field.

It becomes this, oh, you tell us and it'll be fine. Look, there's not FBI agents all over the country. I think maybe there's some misconception there that may be like, well, we don't want to send our resources from Washington. There are FBI agents in every state. I mean, there's plenty of individuals who come.

Trust me, if you've had to deal with them before, they're everywhere. So we could have easily sent people there who probably are doing not much in that local area. Right. And again, they would have at least to be there while his private attorneys, if not taking it over completely. In the Trump matter, initially that was the move. And then the second move was a raid that the attorneys did not get to be a part of.

Excluded them from that. The question here is we also, it was breaking last night when we did our podcast the afternoon. We also know that they are now not going to make that statement that this is all done. That they're searching other locations.

So the question is, in between this search and now, and we'll take your phone calls to this, 1-800-684-3110. We've had a special counsel be appointed. So I would like to know in the new places they're searching, whether that's, you know, storage facilities or we were kind of talking about like, oh, you can come up with different ideas or other, I mean, Joe Biden can have other homes that we just don't know about.

Or he could have a condo in Florida. We thought you had to talk about that. And is the FBI now taking the lead? Because you know what the White House Counsel's Office said?

I'm going to talk about what Andy Cahn was going to be joining us in the next segment. They said, well, we didn't want to get the FBI involved too much because we didn't want that to impact the investigation. The investigation being led by the FBI and then now a special counsel who's going to utilize the FBI. Could you imagine if Donald Trump's White House Counsel, we didn't inform the FBI and we didn't want them to get too involved because they have their own investigation going on.

But their investigation would learn a lot from knowing where these documents are. 1-800-684-3110 to join us on the show. We want you to be part of the broadcast. That's 1-800-684-3110. Support the work of the ACLJ. If you can, donate today at Welcome back to Sechil.

We are taking your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110. Next segment, Mike Pompeo joins us to discuss these classified documents. It's also some more anti-Israel statements coming out of Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib in attacking the Biden administration.

So we'll talk about that in the next segment of the broadcast. But I want to go right to Andy O'Connell because Andy, we now know that after the first set of classified documents was found in Washington DC at the Pidbiden Center, that was November 2nd, like a week before the midterm elections. That the Justice Department, they started their inquiry and then they had a discussion with Joe Biden's attorneys. That's not the weird part. The weird part is the discussion was should we have FBI agents present when we go to these other locations that you know about to do additional searches.

Not even take it over, but just be there with you. And they decided the DOJ would stay out of it. That really bothers me. The Department of Justice has notified that there are classified documents at the Pidbiden Center. Biden's attorneys turn up and say this is where they are and we, the Justice Department, now says we're not going to send any FBI agents or anybody there with classification clearance to look at the documents. And as a matter of fact, we're going to stay out of this as long as you say to us that you are conducting the search and you are finding the documents and you're going to produce them. If your personal attorneys are going to search the homes or the Pidbiden Center or other places, the cars, the libraries, the little rooms on the anterooms to the libraries, we're not going to get involved in it.

Now, I can't believe that. That is a complete double standard from what President Trump was subjected to. But apart from the double standard, which is really problematic, is the attorneys foolishly, I think on their part, because they become witnesses when they do this, should have said we don't want to do this. We have found the documents. You get your FBI agents. You get your agents with clearances to go look at the documents.

But they say, no, we'll go. That's OK. We're going to go ahead and we're going to find out where these documents are and we're going to look at them and we're going to give them to you. And the Justice Department, Jordan, just says we're going to stay out of it. You take care of it.

No problem. What you get us, we're going to be happy with. And the second part to this, which I think is even greater, is the White House counsel's office, their press person, said that they didn't want to get the FBI and DOJ too much information because it could impact the FBI and DOJ's investigation. Yeah, I mean, that's where the American people start looking at it. I think that it becomes hilarious in the game of politics when you start saying, you know, we don't want to get involved in the investigation, that it's also our investigation.

It's the doublespeak that comes out of Washington. We don't want to send someone to the FBI. Why? Well, no really good reason. It just happens to be we decided we trust you.

It's like the joy of Behar. Well, if we assume Trump is a liar, so we have to go after him. But we don't assume Biden is a liar. So if he's not a liar, then we don't have to treat it the same way.

I don't believe that's how the law works. Yeah, there's interesting too kind of reports about why did this get started in the first place. And you're starting to see members of Congress, they're going to investigate this obviously too, but we also know there's a federal criminal investigation of his son, Andy. And was this started by looking for documents related to that by his attorneys, and then uh-oh, you know, we've just attacked President Trump over having these documents for six months. And by the way, his team, second part of this, was in negotiations too with the FBI. And the FBI was there, we know, once with the attorneys, and then there was some breakdown in communication, at least that's what the FBI says, and then they did the raid. But now we're starting to see just the difference in treatment between just being a Democrat President and a Republican President.

There's very market difference in treatment. President Trump's attorneys are in discussions with the archives, they're talking about which documents are classified, which belong to Trump, which need to go to the archives, which shouldn't have been here, which should have been there. And then boom, one morning, we go to a United States magistrate and get a federal search warrant and come into Mar-a-Lago and take everything, including President Trump's passports, as if he's going to go somewhere, you know, we're going to prevent that from happening. But with Biden, it's handled with this delicacy.

We don't want to upset anybody here. Their lawyers are giving us the documents, they promised us they're going to go around and find the documents, wherever those documents are, they're going to give them to us. So we're not going to get involved in our investigation. We're going to let Biden's lawyers do this double standard, but also the weaponization. It is really the weaponization of the FBI for political reasons. A Democratic President gets a pass.

A Republican former President gets the ax. Yeah, I mean, the big question now for me, and we're taking your calls on this, 1-800-684-3110, if you want to be on the show today, that's 1-800-684-3110, is will any of this change with the special counsel? I mean, you know, again, these special counsels, he was someone who was appointed by Trump to be the U.S. attorney in Maryland. He has a good resume. But are they so entrenched inside this bureaucracy that their team, so even if it's not them, but their team, Andy, will be, it is going to be these individuals, and they're like, it's basically, instead of an adversarial relationship between his attorneys and DOJ and FBI, it's like they're on the same team. Well, they are.

We're all pals here. It's like Mueller. Mueller, the old, you know, white-haired, great John Adams is coming in, and he's going to be the special counsel, you know. George Washington has come in. But he brings in his team of Weismann and all these people, Quarles, who are just part of the organization. So I don't care whether Ben Hur or Robert Hur, rather, is going to really be the one who is going to head this up, but what is his team going to look like?

They're going to be the same old guys, and they're going to get in there and make the same old deals and wink and nod and do the same old stuff. I don't have a lot of confidence in it, George. I really don't. And we know it's not, the search is not over.

I mean, that's the key part, Lois. This is not even close to being done. We haven't started the congressional hearings yet. Those committees in the House that the Republicans control have just been formed.

We just now know who the members are fully of most of those committees. So we're just getting started on, again, that good question. I think it was Dan Crenshaw asked, why were they even start looking?

Like, we don't even know that question. What was the reason? It wasn't the Donald Trump, because that wasn't right around there. And what did they say? They said they were cleaning out, they were just cleaning out some closets, I think is what they said, and they just happened to stumble upon classified folders and documents.

Hey, we better go to Delaware too. Well, I think when they realized that, it could start unraveling. So the idea was maybe we should go check, but then it went from, it's still good. Look, there's going to be more. We know there's going to be more. I don't know if there's necessarily going to be more reports on documents, but there's going to be more reports, certainly on searches.

This is not the, like you said, this is not the only spot. They've already said through sources that other Biden related places are being searched, which is a hilarious term also. I mean, I guess you could assume there's probably multiple offices, multiple libraries, multiple affiliates, storage units. There's probably a lot of things to go through. And again, you start asking the questions, what are these documents? Why did they make their way out of the White House or make their way out of the vice Presidential's, President's office?

It's pretty fascinating. And why was some taken to Delaware and then some taken to the office in Delaware? Because there is a difference in just even having the documents and then utilizing the documents when you were no longer vice President.

So like taking them to your office and actually opening up the file and utilizing it for any purpose, whether it's for writing a book, as some people have talked about, or for preparing your Presidential. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a part of it might be for a book, but the other part was he was preparing a Presidential campaign and he might've been utilizing these documents. I mean, these could have been, I mean, we know Ukraine is involved in this.

His son was at the middle. I mean, that's how the whole Hunter thing started was because Hunter was on the board of Burisma. And the question, and Donald Trump got impeached over asking Zelitsky to just look into it, to know how corrupt, is this family causing trouble in your own country? Yeah. And of course there's all this reports coming out of Ukraine and everything. It's not like this is out of the news cycle. It's the number one stories. Obviously there was a tragic accident. It looks like that happened there. And there is so much that's going on.

It's kind of hard to keep up with. But I think there's going to be these distraction moments and there's going to be even things like the FBI saying, well, we didn't decide to search. And you're going to have a lot of the liberal media, by the way, going good enough for us.

Yeah, because they're compliant. That's what I mean. Good enough for us. We're not going to come. Yesterday when it broke that they've got to look at other places, the FBI or the special counsel should have stepped right in and said, we are going to look. Tell us, give us the list of places we're going and you don't even get to go. Right.

That's exactly right. These people who are looking, these lawyers, they don't have classification clearance. What do I mean? Sensitive material clearance. They don't have clearance for these potentially devastating disclosures that are made in these documents. And the FBI should have said, this is my our investigation.

We're going to go. You stay out of it. No. For Biden, it's done one way. For Trump, it's done another way.

Double standard all around. Yeah. We don't even know. We haven't had, as you said, like a battle damage report about these documents. No. Like how bad this could have been, because we do know that there were a lot of dignitaries in and out of that.

But there's not a log. But he hosted a lot of people, the former vice President, U.S. Senator. There were a lot of high profile foreign leaders. That was his big portfolio as vice President. And kind of his thing as senator was his foreign policy. He was brought in by Obama. And they've all been there over six years.

Not six months, six years. Mike Pompeo is going to be joining us next. We're going to talk about this with him as well.

And the difference again in working inside that bureaucracy. He certainly understands that. 1-800-684-3110. If you want to join the broadcast, of course, support the work of the ACLJ.

We were on this the 12th of January. We got the FOIA. They've already done three FOIA releases from the National Archives on Trump. So they better respond to ours. Or else we take them to court, we'll get the information. The information is, did you close the file on Joe Biden? Even when these documents were out there?

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That's We'll be right back on Sekulow with Mike Pompeo. Hey, welcome back to Sekulow. We are taking phone calls too.

Get those loaded in. 1-800-684-3110. Our Senior Counsel for Global Affairs, former Secretary of State and CIA Director Mike Pompeo is joining us now. And I think it's a critical time to talk to Secretary Pompeo as we get the drip, drip, drip out about these classified documents.

So each day, Secretary, we're learning more about the document scale. Now we know that the DOJ, they were informed after the first batch of documents was found. But then they abandoned a plan to have officials, whether they were from DOJ and FBI, oversee the search with the attorneys. Not even just take over the search, but be there with the private attorneys from Joe Biden. But they said, nah, never mind.

We'll just let the private attorneys handle it. What are your thoughts on that? It is unexplainable to me, Jordan.

It truly is. How one arrives at a decision that says we're going to allow private counsel, very unlikely they had the right clearances. Conduct, on behalf of the President of the United States, a search of his home for federal documents. That is a stunning collection of facts that I just whipped through. It is unexplainable. It is deeply inconsistent with how they had treated former President Trump. And most importantly, it's deeply inconsistent with the way we should be handling classified information. And the fact that the DOJ chose not to be part of that, there is, as they used to say on the Lucille Ball show, there is a lot of explaining to do.

Yeah, I mean, we talk about the weaponization all the time, especially in Washington, D.C. and the contrast between the good work the FBI and law enforcement is doing out in the field. But the problems we've seen in the Washington, D.C. headquarters, specifically at DOJ and FBI. And it just appears to me, this plays right into that appearance that if you're a Democrat and the bureaucracy is kind of on your side, that's who they donate to, that's who they politically support. That instead of putting their blinders on, which they're supposed to do at the Department of Justice and treat people equal under the law, that they're given preferential treatment. And it appears that it's just because the only explanation for that is that he happens to be a liberal Democrat. There's no alternative theory that has been proper that is remotely consistent with what they chose to do and how they chose to treat these two cases.

So it's just fundamentally differently. I'm shocked, Bill, too, that not only did senior leadership make this decision, I assume that happened at the highest levels of the FBI Justice Department. But I'm also shocked that someone along the way didn't say, hey, we can't do this.

We can't let these private attorneys have access to this information. Goodness knows what they'll actually deliver, what they'll do. They're not working for the taxpayer. They're not working for the United States. They're working for Joe Biden, his personal capacity.

It is outlandish. I hope that these congressional committees can crack the code and figure out how to get to the bottom of this. Not not not because of Joe Biden, but get to the bottom of this because we have to preserve these institutions. You talk about the great FBI officers around the country doing good work. We have to preserve that institution so that the American people have confidence and trust in it.

Yeah. I mean, we've had the former Obama administration ethics adviser, Walter Schaub, he blasted Biden. I mean, he said the retention of classified records is inexcusable neglect of the most basic security protocols and that it also puts a breach of trust with the public.

And it's a self-inflicted wound. Talk about that part, the political side of this as well. When this story initially broke, I would give credit to most the media outlets.

They were pounding away. The question is, do they do they continue or do you think I mean, do you think Democrats could turn on Joe Biden on this issue? Could this be the the the decision point to where he says, you know, maybe don't run for reelection?

That's been a back and forth discussion because this is now you've got two criminal investigations, one on his son and now one on his handling of the documents. Boy, you know, if we saw one thing in that debate in the House of Representatives about who the speaker should be, you recognize you can't be something with nothing. And I'll bet they don't turn on President Biden because I think they view the alternative of not being likely to convince the American people that they could be trusted. I hope I hope I'm wrong. I hope what they'll do is pursue the fact and they'll do with all the same vigor that it won't just be one or two reporters in that White House press room asking hard questions. But it'll be every one of them. This is serious stuff.

This is this is not about politics. I hope they'll do their work. And when they do their work, I think you will see that, you know, President Biden went on 60 Minutes and talked about how how on earth could President Trump have these documents where he had them?

They'll ask really hard questions of the President himself about how on earth he had those documents in places that they shouldn't have been. I want to switch to another topic while we have you, because when you were secretary of state, this was an important and great move by the administration. But now we've had Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib tweeted yesterday kind of a threat to the Biden administration and the State Department saying that she's outraged that the State Department is moving forward with plans to build the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem. And she uses on land stolen from Palestinians by doing so, the U.S. is complicit in the illegal confiscation of Palestinian property. The President should reverse this Trump era policy immediately.

You were secretary of state to finally follow the law, move the embassy to Jerusalem. This statement by Tlaib, I get a little nervous. I mean, on the one hand, I'm glad that they're moving forward with building. That's what she's upset about. But I've been nervous the whole time about what the Biden administration might do with the embassy site.

They have a legal requirement to follow through on what it was we did, and I'm counting on them to get that piece of it right. What Representative Tlaib said was on the very edge of anti-Semitism. And it's actually incorrect. It's not Palestinian land that was stolen.

So she got her facts wrong, too. This land is the rightful homeland of the Jewish people. It is, in fact, the case that they've been there for 3,000 years.

We righted that ship. We said that not every Israeli settlement was unlawful. And then we made this decision that both the Golan Heights and other parts of the nation of Israel were rightfully belonging to the people of Israel. I think most, even Democrats, will see that Tlaib has the facts wrong, the morality wrong, and the law wrong, and that they'll continue to build it. We will have our embassy, the U.S. embassy, rightfully in Jerusalem, the place where the Israeli government tells us they're capitalists, just as we have our embassy in the capital of nearly every other country in the world.

Secretary Pompeo, our Senior Counsel for Global Affairs, we appreciate you joining us and giving so much insight on these really important and serious issues. Your new book is out next week. People can pre-order it now. It's out next Tuesday.

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It'll be delivered to your home. That book, again, never give an inch. It's Secretary Pompeo's new book that's out next Tuesday. Logan, I think we heard from Secretary Pompeo there, too. I mean, you do the seriousness in the tone about, just, one, the people's trust in our major institutions. We've talked about the IRS before.

Yeah, it's sad. It's failing. Now it's the FBI. I mean, we've talked about the FBI. We say that the IRS seems like they're beyond being able to be fixed.

It's sad to say that about, like, an apartment of justice. Yeah, the IRS, I mean, has been everyone's sort of, you know. They're a disaster. They've been sort of the people's enemy for a long time. People don't like the IRS.

They've never liked the IRS. However, you had the FBI and the CIA and those kind of organizations as sort of beyond any politics. And what we've seen in the last handful of years is every time it seems like we're coming around a corner where maybe they'll be less political, it's clear that they're not. And that's what's happened here right now.

You've seen this situation where you've had two Presidents in similar situations not being treated at all equally in their investigations. And it's sad because I honestly thought this could have been a weirdly uniting moment for the country because you go, okay, if you don't care for what happened with President Trump, at least you're going to have some similar standard. Right. But quickly that starts to fall. Quickly it starts to move off the news. You've got to stay on it. All right, folks, we're going to stay on it. We've got the FOIA out, so we've got to continue pushing there to get those answers from National Archives.

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And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. So the search continues for classified documents in any location related to Joe Biden. We haven't had any more definition about what that means, but we know that that was released last night.

We know that the Department of Justice declined to be involved in the search. I mean, how absurd. Even saying that seems just so absurd. After they knew that they had already found classified documents in one location and knew where to go next, which was the home in Delaware, the garage, the Corvette, the side office, which is the library, you know, all of this. There's a beach house. There's now other locations. On top of that, we now have a special counsel who gets appointed.

So what happens next? We have a White House counsel who said, the statement from the White House Counsel's Office was, we don't want to tell the American people too much information because we don't want to impact the investigation itself. But it seems like they're running the investigation, not the department. The Department of Justice declined. I mean, look, that's what's the most absurd to me is the Department of Justice declined to take over this investigation when they were in negotiations with Biden's attorneys. Yeah, they don't want to influence.

They don't get involved. Except for maybe if it comes around, you know, midterm election, maybe then we'll just pretend. We may want to get the American people too nervous or scared about what's going on. And look, they are covering it. I just looked up at CNN. They are discussing the fact that we can just colloquially use the term Biden documents is actually pretty interesting. Like that's something to look at. The fact that we were able to move into this so quickly.

Yeah, I want to play this. This is a Korea job here yesterday. She asked about, if you're going to provide info to the American people, why provide bad info that then just, again, continues this discussion?

And also you start digging your own grave by 15. Are you upset that you came out to this podium on Friday with incomplete and inaccurate information? And are you concerned that it affects your credibility up here? What I'm concerned about is making sure that we do not politically interfere in the Department of Justice, that we continue to be consistent over the last two years. And that is continue to refer you all when it comes to an ongoing process.

And I'll just leave it there. There is no consistency. Remember they announced that the search was over. That was their own decision to say, hey, it's done. And it wasn't done. So they're not communicating.

Right. And then they're not communicating directly to the American people. And they've made this a major issue by the way Donald Trump was handled. They weaponized this issue of the documents. So now they have to live with it because now they've got their own. And what we're saying is you better treat one the same way you're treating the other because it's equal justice under law.

So if you're going to weaponize documents and send in search teams and raids to Mar-a-Lago, you should be at least considering those options, especially when you know this team has told you we think there could be more out there at other, so far, undisclosed locations. Let's go to the phones. Adam in California on Line 1. Hey, Adam. Hello. Good morning. I just wanted to emphasize that Trump has exposed more of what's going on now with both Presidents than any other Presidents in my lifetime.

And I'm 45. And what I what I like is what you guys are saying that the accountability has to be for equal, you know, for both Presidents being accused or being reprimanded or searched or whatever, because they use Trump as such a big example to expose the things that they're doing wrong. And I'm so thankful Trump became President at least for four years instead of eight like any other President. But I wish they would continue to pursue him however they're doing it because it's exposing so much that needs to be corrected. Yeah.

I mean, this is the thing. When President Trump came into office, it exposed the deep state, it exposed the double standard, it exposed the seventh floor in Washington, D.C. at the FBI that these are political decisions being made, not law enforcement decisions, not equal justice under law. So when they weaponized classified documents. And by the way, Joe Biden was vice President when he had these documents. He didn't have declassification power. He could not have a discussion that Donald Trump was having the back and forth saying, no, I declassified these. Donald Trump can make that case. Joe Biden doesn't even have that case.

He has no reason to have these documents. And think about the time difference. Six years. That's what our FOIA is on. Why did it take you six years? Did you didn't follow up at all with the vice President's office? What is wrong with that process as well?

Sport ACLJ ACLJ dot org. We'll be right back on secular. I'm going to get back to your calls to on the documents, but there's another issue, too, we talked about yesterday. We want to get a little bit deeper into for you because we all know we're concerned about what's happening at our southern border, whether it's the individuals. We saw this cartel style killing in central California with six people, including I think it was a 16 year old and her 10 month old child. And the police said it's absolutely cartel related.

It was outside of a cartel known like Cartel Home and how powerful they are. And of course, not only is it the people coming over the border, putting the strain on our communities and law enforcement and justice system around the country. But then you also have the drugs coming across the border that are killing Americans. There's enough fentanyl in America right now. Probably I think it's 10 times it could kill every American is what they said. They've said at least 10 times every American, not like all users who happen to be, you know, you're tricked or use fentanyl or it's been laced. We're talking about period population of America.

So very wild time. So we now know that there are the House Republicans are looking at should they move forward, not just with an investigation of Secretary Mayorkas, but move forward with potentially impeachment. So you have three House committees, oversight, Homeland Security, judiciary.

Harry Hutchinson's joining us now. They're going to look into these hearings and just get a sense is, would it be a correct move to even initiate that? Usually, Harry, if someone was performing this bad and was this politically detrimental to you at the border is one of those issues that has been very difficult for the Biden administration. Certainly doesn't help them politically.

Now that we have Democrat mayors going down like from New York, especially say we got to see it on our own. Usually they'd be removed. Like you wouldn't take you wouldn't keep them on your team. They're a distraction. They're making it more difficult.

Put someone new in. So this is the only reason Republicans are even having to consider this. But on top of whether they impeach or not, I think that just the invest just bringing him forward and say, OK, what what is the problem here? Why, you know, is it because they've been playing politics, too? It's if it was a Trump policy, we don't we don't like it. And they tried to reverse course. Then Joe Biden went back down and tried to supposedly reinstitute some of those policies.

And we don't we don't know if that's actually going to be happening. But we know Mayorkas has been at that. He's at the helm here and he's been a total failure.

You are precisely correct. So Mayorkas is simply a man of lawlessness. And there is certainly a case to be made for impeaching DHS Secretary Mayorkas. After all, he has flouted national immigration law.

He is effectively open American borders while simultaneously claiming that the border is closed. And I think this reflects a deliberate policy preference by the Biden administration. The Biden administration, in my opinion, has no real intention of stopping what is now a 24 month long invasion.

Illegal border crossings now approach a quarter of a million per month with tons of fentanyl being seized, child trafficking going up alongside a boom in sex trafficking. So we have a clear and unmistakable problem. And there is a clear policy argument for removing Mayorkas. However, I think it's important to keep in mind that the House Republicans are somewhat divided with respect to impeaching Mayorkas. The three committee chairmen, that is the Oversight Committee, the Judiciary Committee, and the Homeland Security Committee, those chairmen favor impeaching Mayorkas from a policy perspective. But keep in mind that Kevin McCarthy can only lose four House Republicans, presuming if we assume the Democrats oppose this initiative. So there are problems, but I clearly support at least a strong and thorough investigation.

Yeah, I think just by starting the process, it puts the pressure on. Listen, he's not going to be impeached. There's not going to be 67 votes in the U.S. Senate with the Democrats in it. But starting the process, he's not going to be convicted and thrown out of office. But starting the process, maybe not going as far as actually doing the technical impeachment vote in the House and then causing the trial in the Senate. But the issue is so prevalent and you're leading up to an election and they've kind of politicized, they have politicized impeachment. And they impeached Donald Trump after he was President, there could be some points to be made to say it'd be worth having that trial in front of the U.S. Senate because the American people, they'd have to cover it in the news. And we'd get to lay out exactly how bad it is at the border and that it's not just bad because they can't do anything about it, but because of their lack of actions and interest because of interest groups pushing them to keep open borders.

I think that is correct. So essentially the Biden administration has paralyzed itself with respect to border policy. The Biden administration is clearly not complying with its constitutional duty. So there has been a dereliction of duty on the U.S. border. And so if cartel style killings continue to erupt in the United States, this will place additional pressure on the Biden administration. And so I applaud the initiative of the Republicans in launching a thorough investigation and not allowing Mayorkas to get off the hook. Keep in mind that in prior hearings, Mayorkas basically had sympathetic chairman, a Democrat chairman in the House.

And so he could get away with fibbing and lying about what's going on at the border. But I think the American people, both Democrats and Republicans, are beginning to demand some type of action and the Biden administration continues to go down a pathway where they prefer to be tone deaf and blind to a real problem that faces every American. It's interesting as well. We're going to start taking your phone calls. We come back after the next break. So keep getting them in and we're going to take an entire segment. We're going to reorganize the show a little bit and talk more with Jeff Balbon tomorrow on Rashida Tlaib's statement about Jerusalem because I want to take the calls. I want to get to the questions because we also know that the House Republicans have launched an investigation into the Biden family and a lot of ethics officials, not conservative, Harry.

I just saw a Washington University law professor who's an ethics expert, government ethics expert on CNN saying that it's outrageous how they've traded their family, Dave, for economic opportunities. I think that is correct and I also sense that there is perhaps a turning point that the Biden administration has to face and that it has to face true scrutiny from mainstream media, perhaps for the first time. So if you look at Biden's press secretary, she is getting frustrated. She's getting annoyed.

Why? Because the Biden administration consistently cannot answer real questions. It can't deal with real scrutiny and indeed there is more and more evidence. It's piling up that suggests complicity, if you will, by the Department of Justice, perhaps by the FBI.

Why didn't the Department of Justice go in and seize the documents that were in Biden's garage? No, we're going to talk about that with people. We take more calls in the next segment. This idea too, I think what we have to be careful about here as we launch all these investigations, the family business investigation, that's Hunter and his brother particularly, and the big guy checks and there's that part. And then this investigation, which will be simultaneous with a special counsel investigation, so into the classified documents. And that's kind of where Republicans are starting, is that you've got to kind of keep it on a scheduled way for the American people so that the media has to cover it. Because if it's all jumbled up, they just move on. They'll just move on. I'm afraid that's why I said what is happening right now.

You pop too much on. Look, I got to say, if you look at like the, I was a fan of obviously the Twitter reports, the Twitter files that came out, eventually the media moved on from the Twitter files as much as they did because there was so much content and it was 20 different threads and it became very hard to follow. Who was covering what?

Where first it was really outlawing corruption that was happening within our social media platforms. It was fascinating. It's still fascinating.

I think the journalists that did the work are doing incredible work. But I'm talking about the way it's covered, the way it's perceived. You don't hear anyone talking about it anymore because at some point you get overwhelmed with information. That's still happening, right?

They're releasing stuff every couple of days. And now, though, it's becoming a little less impactful. It's becoming a little less serious, a little less coverage. And that's the same thing that's going to happen right now. I didn't think it was going to happen.

Obviously, it's still in the rotation for all of the major networks. But when stuff like the FBI, because what will happen is your MSNBCs and CNNs will say, well, the FBI said they weren't getting involved, so why should we? Let's move on to another topic.

Let's move back to Trump. Yeah, they're doing everything so nicely and they're cooperating so well. And then we know special counsels are just assembling his team. The House Republicans have just formed their committees. So there's a timing aspect to this as well. I think it's all worth investigating, by the way, for all these investigations. We come back, we take your phone calls, 1-800-684-3110. I think Republicans can do it in a way, too, if you do the right committees, the right oversight, utilizing the right folks.

You can do these. You can walk and chew gum at the same time and still talk about the big issues, too, like the border, like our national security, Patriot missiles going to Ukraine. All of that is going to, is occurring as well. So we come back for this break. We've got a lot of phone calls, one line open right now. Someone can grab that line.

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People have been holding on. Joanne in Ohio's first on line three. Hey, Joanne.

Hi, guys. My question is more, I mean, besides the whole convoluted way we got to this document disaster, I mean, if Karine Jean-Pierre can get out there and even Biden himself can get out there and say, oops, we had these documents, we're sorry. I mean, that's not an excuse. But what do we need a special counsel for except to recover the documents? And he don't want any part of it.

I don't understand. Well, I think the reason is they got stuck with the special counsel is because they put a special counsel to go after Trump. So to look like there's equal justice under the law. And the U.S. attorney in Chicago who initially was assigned this, Joanne, who was a Trump holdover, a U.S. attorney, said this is grounds for special counsel because we have one for the Donald Trump matter.

And so you've got to kind of have simultaneous. Our position has been pretty much in agreement with you, though, is that these special counsels are totally overused and really unnecessary because we pay for an entire Department of Justice. And then these guys come and they get another $50 million budget. And I'm not against them for getting the appointment. But it's like when we have the entire Department of Justice and we can't trust them to do the investigation of the Trump documents and Biden, we have to have a special counsel within them that I think a lot of just smoke and mirrors. And they used it politically against Trump. It's all the politics. It's all the politics of it. They used it politically against Trump and they did.

And then you have people within the West. We got to have a special counsel here. They were mad at Mueller because he didn't go far enough because he can't indict a sitting President. So you can't indict Biden right now. And yeah, hopefully, if you're a Democrat, you're going, oh, God, we didn't figure out how to do that because that clearly would be on the table, just like impeachment of traditional impeachment through the House will be on the table.

Won't pass the Senate. We know this. But you said maybe there is a time to do this. And you have KJP out there most days trying to cover up for this. And look, sometimes there's a little bit of you, as much as I don't feel bad for anyone working in the Biden administration. But you are having to deal with an onslaught of really good questions from the press. And you know that she doesn't have the answers and not necessarily at her own behest, not having the answers.

Or she gets caught with half the answer. And then the next day you find out that was only half of what was really the truth. And listen, they're going to try to not talk about it. The problem is they talked about it so much early on. They had the White House counsel spokesperson talking about it. They had her talking about it. They said it was over. They just, they talked too much. The beginning of this should have been, we're not talking about it. Yeah, we're still, it's still ongoing. This is the DOJ.

Go to the special counsel. Well, so we got a bite we should play? Okay, I haven't vetted this bite, so I'll just treasure anything we need to do to set it up.

Here's a bite from KJP. Given these documents have shown up in very personal spaces, we all know that the President loves his deadware home. It's an extremely personal space for him. Is he physically joining in the search for these things, rummaging around these boxes in the garage from wherever else?

I mean, literally? Are you listening to the question that you're asking me? It's a serious matter. Where are these documents? It's a serious matter.

He's taking part in searching for his own documents. Look, I'm going to be very consistent here. I am going to be very clear here, as I have been for the past couple of days, almost a week now, dealing with this. You know, we are going to, any specific questions that you have about this issue, I would refer you to my colleagues at the White House Counsel's Office. I would like to know who asked that question, because number one, hilarious. Great.

It's not like Daily Mail or something like that. Just hilarious. Yes, is it an appropriate question? Absolutely not. Is the President rummaging around? Is it hilarious?

100%. And then you're like imagining Joe Biden rummaging around the corner. Well, I know. I saw him.

He was pretty able when he was able to take a knee with the NBA, with the Golden State Warriors. So, you know, if he's able to do that, maybe he's able to get and look through some documents, look through some boxes. And we've got a lot of people still on hold. Let's try to get to some more of these calls. We'll go to Randy at Ohio Line 2.

Hey, Randy. Hey, I just have, not only is it a conflict of interest for the DOJ to have the defendants lawyers looking for their evidence, but on top of that, aren't the DOJ themselves committing a great breach of security, allowing these lawyers who aren't certified to look at this to be searching for them? Yes. It makes no, we had Secretary Pompeo on. He understands classified documents.

He headed up the CIA. They're dealing with the most top secret of top secret of top secret. It is unexplainable, as he said, to have the Department of Justice being told, we think there's more, we've got to go search. And the Department of Justice saying, ultimately, we're not going to go look with you. Not even with you.

Just call us if you find something and then we'll pick it up. It stinks of political corruption. There's no way around it.

It's just so blatantly obvious that it's almost laughable. But sadly, it's not a joke. Continue on? Yeah. All right, Sam in Texas. Hey, Sam. Hello. Thank you for taking my call.

God bless you, gentlemen, for everything that y'all do. And just a quick question. Once the former President leaves office, what documents are allowed for him to keep in his position? That's a good question. You know, you could set up a library, Sam, and keep most of the documents. Maybe not necessarily the classified documents, but documents that technically belong to the government but relate to your presidency.

And then if you were asking about, so in Trump's case, they weren't even to that point yet. In Obama's case, National Archives said they've got a big warehouse that they secured with all those documents. So those, again, would not be classified documents, but they would be government records that your Presidential library could have, but the National Archives really actually oversees that library. So really, the only thing you get to keep is your personal documents at the end of the day. And so now there's been a lot of questions about what does it mean to have a library where you have all the documents. But ultimately, you shouldn't keep classified documents. You've got to figure out was it declassified or not in the Trump matter. That's first. The second is, you know, if there was private personal materials that were unrelated to your time as being the President of the United States in your official role, you could keep those documents as well.

And ultimately, you can build the entire storage facility under your name in your library, whatever it is. All right. Should we try to take Lewis real quick?

Lewis in Colorado. You're on the air. Wrap it up.

Yeah, thanks for taking my call. I wanted to ask, when you played Biden talking about the billion dollars Ukraine and the prosecution, didn't he implicate Obama in the scheme that took place there? Yeah, we're having some audio issues with you, Lewis, but he's asking essentially if implicates Obama wasn't his administration, what happens with that?

It's interesting. The Obama White House ethics official is criticizing Biden. So they're just going to pile on Biden saying this is Joe Biden's fault. The truth is the National Archives, when they were doing the records put together, this was really, yeah, these were really Obama records. They're calling him Biden Docs because he took them. But they were from the Obama administration. Right. He was the President.

And the question, like, we have to National Archives going on our FOIA is, why did this take six years and why did you not ask for these back? So I think Obama is able to push this to Biden. I mean, it could involve some of his, the Judy Varsity team that came over that is still with this administration.

But ultimately, I don't know this is going to involve Obama too much. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about this more also on Secular Brothers podcast, which we'll be doing later today. So make sure you're subscribing on all your favorite podcast platforms. You can also find us on YouTube and on Rumble. Of course, Secular Brothers, go to You'll see all the links there. Subscribe.

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