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FINALLY: WHO Says to Investigate Lab Leak Theory

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June 20, 2022 3:36 pm

FINALLY: WHO Says to Investigate Lab Leak Theory

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June 20, 2022 3:36 pm

Last year, the World Health Organization (WHO) investigators and scientists told the world that the Wuhan lab leak theory was "extremely unlikely" as to being the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic. In a complete reversal, WHO is now urging a further investigation into the lab leak theory. Jordan and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss WHO's reversal of positions on the theory and what sort of investigations are likely to occur. This and more today on Sekulow.


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What should the US do talk about that more today on secular human form. Now days would just that tribe created the covert virus in the lab. Even if you were careful to say intentionally or unintentionally, that virus was then released upon the world, and as were still dealing with covert as we speak today. I things are still not back to hundred percent normal and that of course the you go off of their schools and universities going back to basket things like that. But remember, go back to a time when just suggesting that would get you flag on social media that was miss this, or mall information but now even the World Health Organization is coming around to the idea together probably did just originate in a wet market from Justin Annable that there was something God here in a lab and it needs to be investigated. In fact, the world health organization is now being slammed by China, which is unusual because Dr. Tae Drozd, the director general and China have a very close relationship try to basically rods the World Health Organization someone asked you this 1-800-684-3110 you think we will ever know the truth about where covert or originated. I tend to go towards the lab leak theory from the beginning because it just seemed like too many other things would have to come together for to come out of a market but remember just saying that year and 1/2 or two years ago got you thrown off social media.

That is why misinformation and disinformation governance boards should not get in the business of censoring American speech or speech in general because there are times when you don't have an answer. There's not a clear yes or no and it's up for debate, and it's up for analysis and you can have a discussion in river those discussions. Neither of those discussions discounted the covert was real. It was just who is responsible is someone directly responsible indirectly responsible order to really come out of this market and now we want to find out from China. Are they directly responsible for releasing this on the world or indirectly by negligence. It's a fair question to ask, but it's been a fair question to ask throughout the entire process.

This is what I want you to call about a 164 3110. What should the US be doing in response now to know that they've got the World Health Organization interested at least in getting to the bottom of what happened in that Wuhan lab doubt China.

China's response very intense on Friday. Beijing responded forcefully to the WHO report and repeated suggestion course then I'm getting censored by putting this out there in the world that the virus came from an American lab. They have no evidence zero evidence whatsoever, as I like the lab leak.

They were there's evidence is that like the market. Were there some evidence there. Zero evidence. And here's the quote from try to spokesperson the lab leak theory is a top is totally a lie concocted by anti-China forces for political purposes which has nothing to do with science at the Foreign Ministry spokesperson in a city we've always supported and participated in global science virus tracking but oppose any forms of political manipulation. They don't want to comply with this investigation.

It's clear China is hiding something in this attack. The way they perceive it as an attack on China makes you think it wasn't just intense unintentional write anything if something happened, unintentional lab chart is a big enough power to say you decided to actually happen, we would start but they do want to get the part about having to pay for pay for anything or pay for negligence they want no responsibility they want to look the other way that's unacceptable. Give us a call. 164, 31, two, that's 1-800-684-3110 get back I'll take what ACLJ is doing to take action this very issue will be right back to secular way to take your phone calls 100 684 31 to the 2064 3110 just some breaking news really over the weekend that it's very important to us. We still deal with covert and at what happens next with global pandemics is never the bite administration was to give more power to the World Health Organization World Health Organization finally coming around to the idea that you know what we need to investigate that lab leak theory that you know what date it seems like.

In fact, that must been supposedly the director general, the head of the World Health Organization. A Dr. Pedro's said he believes the covert did leak from the Wuhan lab after he cut catastrophic what he calls accident, so at least they're saying you know it's it's probably negligent. There's the question about is it an accident.

Is it intentional but now are refocusing on the leak in China's responsibility. The question is does the bite administration do anything about this, that's question, one that part two of this, which I think is also important, as we talked China is that now Russia is China's number one supplier of oil that has that used to be Saudi Arabia, which would be an ally of the United States.

Now it is Russia so that continued relationship building between China and Russia there always had a cautious but it is continuing to build. Of course, is a lot of concern that relationship could lead to more action by the Chinese military specifically to Taiwan and how closely their following the world's reaction to what Russia has been doing in the Ukraine. So a lot to talk about their will to Harry Hutchison first on the World Health Organization reverse running Harry. This was something that if you talked about a couple years ago or even less of social media got flagged.

You might have your account taken down by David putting Facebook jail adjust the idea that maybe this didn't just originate in a wet market. You know in in Wuhan but originated.

Instead, it will save city and Wuhan with this highly biological laboratory that is kind of guarded in secret and and now the world health authorizations coverups that you know what this is probably what happened at least some accident there. The question is, doesn't look like China will will at all comply. So, will that actually may be Harry may be just a pipe dream to think that it would put maybe this would kinda divide China in the World Health Organization. I think that is correct. So I think your analysis is spot on.

It's important to note that censorship.

Whether it's in the United States, or whether it's with respect to Facebook or twitter that blocks the search for cause and effect, which means that blocks the search for accountability and so if you look at the economic pendulum shifts in the United States. If you look at inflation. If you look at borrowing costs.

If you look at a raft of other things. It indirectly related, at least in part to the pandemic and yet we do not conclusively know because we've been blocked by China as to what caused this particular pandemic. I tend to agree with you Jordan that more likely than not it was caused by a leak from a lab in China and if indeed that is the case we should be able to hold China responsible number two. We should in the United States patent affirmative measures to deal with China in the future, which means bringing important national security.

A goods and the production of those goods back to the United States. So if you look at all of the policy initiatives both in the trump administration and the Biden administration that are plausibly related to the pandemic. It's important to note 2 things. First that is now fueling inflation and secondly, we should account for some of those costs by going after China, either through litigation or by bringing pressure to bear from the G7 countries and saying to China you cause this you know the last basically some form of remediation setting million people dead.

It affected every family.

I know and still affecting people as we speak and and so while the virus may not be as strong right now people are still getting covert, which prevents them from going to work you know it it kind of just doesn't allow you to plan life. You kinda still at the plant life around Hoven might cause this event or this person that's built to do so you got have always been different.

Note this is someone speaking from leading an organization you got always think about it. Still, when you're planning something, especially if you're relying on one person I one person playing an important role in an event so you can imagine again and I think that this is even different this summer than when we get back into sooner rather than later. Maybe some parents are excited that that was her time at school again and that every since I got school again you start thinking about okay. What happens then what happens next.

Trying to get vaccines into kids that are under five there's a lot of question about that. Certainly I think a lot of our listeners would have questions about whether or not that is necessary or not I want to go to the phones Lewis is in Kentucky online one.

It was welcome to secular you're on the air today. Thanks for taking my call on my look better every day your program.

Thank you. And regarding dating the coalbed whether it made a leak out of blue hand China. I think the week. We relatively know that it is time to hand it out and it came out of the lake. But my question is probably look at it. I believe it was intentionally done as a economic attack on our country, especially during chronic time of causing the light therapy increases the China and it was more a biological attack for economic reasons for power should be able to say that without fear, censorship looses it's an honest assessment.

VCC sounded reasonably sent a note said it. Wuhan now. We got the World Health Organization Tony Lewis that they believe it's out of the lab, they think it was a horrible accident you think it might've been something worse. I tend to also think that there's if I was going to pick one country in the world that would be willing to unleash a virus that would also affect its own people and caused the death of its own people.

One of the countries I would pick the top the list to be China because it's a huge country that doesn't value individual life. The same we do in the Western world, especially the United States of America. So even though it was going to impact Chinese civilians that they would make a decision of the greater good for China to unleash this on the world. So it's not so far outside normal thinking, rational thinking that China could have done it intentionally, but that the second part goes to. I think we a lot of people have questions about a no first fall back in February, 20, 21 to try to shut this down completely with the World Health Organization so cause a lot of confusion there Harry when back to the WHO China release report saying that the Lampley theory was quote extremely unlikely to make this kind reversal more than more than a year later saying well. In fact, we now believe it's likely. But we know as one of the commoners put in. It's been three years and that gives China three years to purge all all of the kind of evidence or witnesses had witnesses show up.

The disappeared in places like that. The three years it makes tougher and tougher to peg Peggy down on on who exactly was involved especially when you're talking like with a bad actor like China. I think that is precisely correct. So we've given China a three year head start on highlighting relevant information was China engaged in an intentional campaign to essentially leak this virus and caused economic and human pain on the American people.

If that is the case we should impose punitive tariffs but also keep in mind it is important for the American people to understand whether or not there was any involvement by US government officials including officials tied to the CDC, or tied to Dr. Fauci because keep in mind the United States has funded gain of function, research, and so it's very possible that there are culpable actors with respect to coded 19 in the United States and those individuals should also be held accountable going to take Diane's car quickly at a Nevada online to hate. I am looking to secular you're on the air for taking my call. Thinking I'll talk it occurred to me that shined at probably shouldn't really be slowing with the kind of viruses God virus. It's like it's on-the-fly care there in the middle of germ warfare.

Here, and that whether it was accidental or not it's really not an accident. So not. The World Health Organization also believes that most of us believe that the slab leak that they don't have the sophistication necessary. The trust necessary to allow love this research is done to try to prevent the pandemic that the idea is to do the research you can figure out so I can treat other animals. How do you prevent these pandemic so you got to do research, but you that have Sarasota really trustworthy places to do that research and I don't put China again on the top of the list of places I trust since I put them on the top the list of places that would unleash a virus that would even impact their own people, so I get I do like the switch of the World Health Organization were taken accident will talk about a little bit more come back from the break, one 800 684 31 to to talk to us on the air. That's 1-800-684-3110 will be right back secular history. Take your calls on WHO I record also be joining us to talk about some of this is well, but also these attacks on pro-life pregnancy centers. This James revenge group over 60 attacks.

Five. Which of an firebombings and they say it's going to get worse that we know this report Scott decision days on opinion days on Tuesday and Thursday of this week going to next week as well so we don't necessarily know that will get that decision on Roe versus Wade this week. Will we do know is that the abortion radicals are planning a violent not to state a protest campaign, but a offshoot is planning a violent campaign.

Three. Get into that just a minute, but I do want to take Mary Ellen's call on WHO and covert hey Maryellen, welcome to secular you're on the air while I had to point out one with the question its cycle would be leading the investigation related be China, and the other question is are I should pay maybe commented like China is an enemy and Iran as an enemy and we look at what Ayn Rand did with when they invited people in so-called pincer. They removed the evidence is very similar in size except for their take even a harder line.

It's can be very difficult for the WHO to go back and wanted three years later.

Save covered up anything we need to cover up a two I think the bigger issue is that the world is starting to realize together that it was the Chinese, who were responsible, either by what the world health resister cause a catastrophic accident or intentional and that that should put into question any of their ability to do this research to get at least a green light from the world to do this research publicly and be taken seriously as one of the world actors a can do this research in a safe and effective way because I think they have failed the world and so many people have lost their lives because of either a catastrophic accident that should've occurred or intentional act by China.

I want to shift gears a little to hear what you were to cover WHO to with Rick, so keep your calls come in on that but also your calls on this increase in violence were saying against pro-life organizations just to organizations that exist pro-life pregnancy centers. We represent a lot of these pro-life urgencies. It is because pro-abortion states like to try and put them out of business. But now they are coming under violent attack cc be listing it. We got up, up to 60 separate attacks, five which were allotted to include high levels of vandalism that you spray painting but five of them were firebombed out offices right it's ridiculous. It's an attack by the antiabortion groups on any group that fights for life and we seen at this James revenge group that they're calling for even escalating violence and declared it to be open season on pro-life Health Center so we can imagine that this violence is even going to get worse. It's not just be vandalism breaking things, stealing things spray painting things and even firebombing and burning things. What's the next step. Are they gonna start harming the people at the centers so it's disheartening.

And like you said, it's been over 60 attacks on churches, pro-life organizations, property, and people by these antiabortion groups I want to hear from you on this.

Why won't provide administration, the Department of Justice do their job here. They should be protecting all Americans. If they don't like the political views those pro-life purchasers hurting anybody to get try to get involved in politics, but the duty the protection just like all Americans deserve when there's an organized criminal effort to attack their facilities and organize criminal effort which is said by the way right now this is what were doing. It's going to get worse. What gets worse, and firebombings people actually getting injured to do the firebombing late at night when they believe no one's there. If there Artie say working to take this up a notch a take it up a notch. The only way to do that after you started firebombing at night is people getting hurt, violence, and hopefully don't getting killed but want to play this out from Sen. Mike Lee who is interested.

Where is the justice department here bite six-Justice Department has turned a blind eye to blatant violations of 18 USC section 1507, the provision that prohibits people from showing up at the home of a Supreme Court justice to protest and by not condemning those by not prosecuting the final administration is telling this and legitimizing the attacks for anyone Mike Lee say there's not a reinforcing that the basic laws about the Supreme Court justices. We got some horrendous imagery.

We pull the guys some of this imagery, like outside of the justice baritone which will not for you.

I watched recently.

Take you that you take no action there. And then these firebombing start of these pro-life pregnancy centers and and where are you to be found. Use this is a new group that popped up called James revenge. They put out messages to social media communications. They call it seems similar to NT for a lot of anarchy sides and things like that happening across the country put a team of prosecutors on it and put these people behind bars absolutely drawing. That's exactly what you're supposed to do. These are federal hate crimes.

These are these are state crimes as well. These are arson these Aurora robberies.

These are vandalism's and break-ins and homicides. In some cases with the federal government should be taking the lead because they are attacking people who are because of their thought and because of their believes and because of their policies and their mental attitudes toward abortion and toward as we are pro-life and as Sen. Lee said what you are doing is that you are facilitating by not doing anything to these people, the continuation of these kinds of desultory acts as Sen. Cotten said and I'm just I'm very proud of him.

He said the Atty. Gen. to resign over the Justice Department's inaction on more than 60 attacks that you mentioned that have been taking place in pregnancy centers, and churches in recent weeks. I want to point out one thing particularly horrendous to me because in looking at this I noticed not only are they busting windows up and blowing them up and putting satanic symbols but they are actually going in and taking the holy Eucharist, the consecrated blood and body of Christ and throwing it on the floor and stepping on and spitting upon it.

This is the ultimate sin of all that I remember historically the desecration of the Eucharist and that is what is occurring here and I think into the cc of the species. We know this case is coming any day now rearing that that time zone so we know is very a lot of protests most those hopefully will be peace on both sides of the aisle, it should be.

I was its pro-life protesters peaceful in the counter protest and really for pro-life supporters out there. We had to get to work after this case, victims are way lot to do not just protest because it's opening the door to a lot of potential positive work to protect human life, but they are trying to shut down the the kind of eye, as the frontline groups, the pro-life Tracy centers my speed to their their groups.

We represented groups and if they can shut them down. They would they want to because they always want to say that on the pro-life side have no other options. We don't care about the women we don't provide and yet these are the groups on the front lines doing just that.

And they know that. So the one they wanted to they are actually threatening subsidies got like 30 days to shut down or else right said they see the writing on the wall and they're trying to intimidate again which is illegal there trying to intimidate the justices and he may literally say that there calling on the pro-choice majority, which is not true in the US to stop the Supreme Court from overturning the abortion rights case Roe V Wade said they attack and intimidate at the port level and now they're attacking and intimidating because if they don't win and an early way does get overturned. They know that they've got to shut down these pregnancy resource centers because they are the ones that are on the front lines saving these babies and getting women to choose life and they don't want that to see the imagery outside of a judge.

Some see a people artist since the children again if they were protesting a place that was legal. That's one as we said they are violating law and the Department of Justice, refusing or slow down covert got a lawsuit on that as well against the Odeon I find out the origins of covert why the US stocks minus the ACLJ still on that as well support our work in second half hour coming up for decades ACLJ has been on the frontline protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena.

The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us,, where you can learn more about our life-changing work become a member today ACLJ keeping you informed and now is Jordan secular parenting calls to if you're still calling about World Health Organization. I will talk that with Ricker now. He's to be joining us in the set than exiting the broadcast live talk about World Health Organization talk, but this Russia now receiving providing more oil to China and Saudi Arabia. There, now the number one provider Russia so that relationship there, how we need to be careful. There is a World Health Organization issue as well.

Thus, at seltzer will talk about all of that but were also to be talk and I want to make sure you knew this so you don't tune out in the final thing the broadcast day about all I vertebrae in our director of government affairs another's been a lot of talk about the gun control debate on Capitol Hill, especially the US Senate in Washington DC and a lot of lot a rush to put this this legislation for before the July 4 holiday Serena sit down with for a minute and go through it for you so you know exactly where things stand. What the issues are not legislative text yet so it's difficult for either side to say they sport this I don't support this, but I do what I know you want to be update audit and we are going to update you on it. Let me take Whitney's call on WHO the should hold on I want to get to that. Hey Whitney, I called from Texas you're on the really thankful you bring your company issued it with on your program that I first heard about the world health organization attempt to partner with government cues are available in the Bible ministration and likelihood tend to go along with that and I'm thinking that this current move toward investigation only think too little too late, but it really kicked in January and I was wondering if you thought if this current move 20 investigation do you think that's really just an attempt to squelch a lot at the opposition vocalized this point because we might be an attempt is affected. World Health Organization. This long.

I'm glad that they're finally getting to this point that they're getting to a point where they really can't ever investigated China say they're not going to allow investigation, how to investigate something three years old anyways. We are dealing with a bad actor country who could make all the evidence disappear and the people around it disappear, but so for me I think it might be that you're right Wendy that they're trying to do this to two get more power from world countries including the United States and the US was proposing to give the World Health Organization that surveillance power that tracking power that disinformation power and yet the World Health Organization is all over the place on the origins of covert and so it's why you should allow for free and robust debate and not let it not be afraid of trying the Chinese Communist Party and their words for preventing you from actually having a discussion about how did this happen, it still a very valid question when people are still dying from covert today is not at the rate it was in the they're certainly still testing positive. It is affecting our life. It it it would. And we still don't know exactly where it came from and what's next in the whole debates about your giving this vexing the kids under five. There's a lot of debates around all of this right and if you think it's kind of thrown on us and we just accepted this fact as we do it and they change the fact that Jay's effect a year and 1/2 later and were supposed to just shrug our shoulders and say all the other World Health Organization scrape no Serena stay on it. Remember we got the lawsuit about why the bite administration canceled the Trump administration State Department investigation into covert origins. That lawsuit again is is in production now. We got our first production on May 16, 2022 and we got a next-door joint status report just just occurred last week so I get a Wear on these issues were talked to Rick Cornell about the book and to take your phone calls as well. 1-800-684-3110.

That's 106 1/4 110 talk to Rick about these issues announce the issues with rush of the bargain to get off up there been a director of government affairs. We are going to I get into the gun issue as well and and some of the what's going on in the U.S. Senate and there's a lot of confusion there and there the short timeline. New York Times just put out article that Israel's governing coalition will vote to dissolve parliament within the next next week or next. Yes or more elections coming in Israel.

We do that that coalition, it fall apart. We just didn't know exactly when they would dissolve. So it looks like they cannot put the coalition back together more elections in Israel will stay on that with our office in Jerusalem to secular to hear from closet 100 684 31 to Taylor calls on the WHO I want to get that with Ricker now supervisor for foreign policy and national security at Rick we seen a flip-flop now from the World Health Organization reporting now that the in China not happy about it but that there director general does not believe that there was a leak from the Wuhan lab. That was a quote caused by a catastrophic accident is what they're saying in 2019. That led to the worldwide covert pandemic. This of course goes against the Chinese talking points that they covert pandemic originated in the United States, but I do is I want to ask you Rick you think the significance I mean there's a lot of questions about. I don't what you like a lot of parts about the World Health Organization but something went on their where they were willing to make its put out the statements or calling for reinvestigation as well, though three years after the fact is pretty difficult. But you know there's got to be a reason why behind they're willing to challenge China on this now is a long history of the Chinese controlling the World Health Organization through the elections at the UN day have really tried to implement their Chinese strategy of controlling UN agencies and then done a pretty good job of in April 2020.

During the Trump administration. When I was acting director of national intelligence, we issued a statement a icy wind and intelligence community wide statement saying that the the Wuhan virus coronavirus. It all started in Wuhan and it was because of two possibilities, and this is intelligence why assessment one wise animal to human transmission.

The other was the Wuhan lab we knew at the time that the Wuhan lab was the likely place that has only increased over the years for WHO to come around now and finally comes the assessment that we've known for years just signifies that they are not paying attention to real facts there controlled by the Chinese and they finally really couldn't bear the embarrassment of continuing down this road of denying the fact every country, even the Germans and the Europeans now are literally looking at the facts and understanding them, and so they were in danger of really losing the credibility of the rest of the world if they didn't catch up. It was sure sheer embarrassment for Debbie HO to completely change their thinking should be embarrassed because as you said, there are so many different countries and and international organizations and individuals is looking at it scientist looking and say to how likely would be this. How like how much more likely could be this out of this lab, but then we see the Chinese response. While the world health organization wants to do more research and investigation into this.

I mean, it doesn't seem like Rick, we can expect much from China. To let those investigators in and at this point if probably anything that's relevant, unfortunately, has been destroyed, including the people when vintage is noted that the UN seldom does any research on its own.

It's really a compilation of countries and so what WHO is data rely on our member states, countries, intelligence, and so they're looking at the United States intelligence.

They should have been looking more closely over the last two years. By the way, you can go to the DNI website and that intelligence community wide statement is still on the DNI website. It's been there since April 2020.

So it's important for us to push international organizations like the UN and others to read the facts and respond and not be so political that allowed the Chinese to take over the whole process and therefore there hasn't really been a real investigation, and I doubt we'll ever get one. Remember that it's of the UN. A couple of years to come forward and say that the Syrians had used chemical weapons against people we had to fax every country knew this already.

We could see the video evidence, but the UN was like two or three years late so there never to be 1/4. Rick is to was that this was, the beginning of that disinformation online that if you question the World Health Organization. If you posted it.

Hey, maybe this wasn't out of the euro at a market in Wuhan, but in fact was lab generated and even if you put the caveats of unintentional or negligence is not necessarily intentionally done your flag on social media. This was something banned from social media to get your account shut down if you kept putting it out there certainly could be put in Facebook or twitter jail over this and it purports to me at the same time the by demonstration wants to give more disinformation power to WHO when they are changing their mind and it to music.

This should been something that uses your allowed to have an open free debate about especially when there isn't a 100% conclusion on how this occurred because of how important it still is to the world the impact it still having on the world. Unfortunately, such a great point because in reality we were bandying the world and they attack was then mean to the Chinese propaganda. Remember that the Chinese in the very beginning. Blame the Italians 4:19.

Then they tried to blame the US military, so they were literally throwing disinformation out there and it was just a few short months later that the Chinese were celebrating the Democrats in the July campaign for saying that that Hunter Biden's laptop was rusted disinformation.

The one country that doesn't want you to look at Hunter by laptop is China. They don't want you to see the details of the Biden family intermingling with Chinese businessmen and Chinese officials. It's all about money and so we have banks to the Chinese propaganda in the United States under the Biden administration way too much and this is yet another example where the even the UN now is coming around and blaming Wuhan for this: 19 outbreak. And yet if you talk about it. In America there still local people who will call you a racist for saying that it's really an disinformation campaign targeting dissenting information you stay on China for bit more because it uniquely now Russia bring them into the fold is now the number one supplier of oil to China. I used to be.

Say was that they displace Saudi Arabia so that relationship continuing to get closer as the world watches not only what's going on in Ukraine what the Chinese might do in Taiwan and it just seems like I get there. There were more reliant on Russia.

They're building up a much closer relationship and they are in line with each other's foreign policy.*What you make of the fact that now Russia is the number one supplier to China.

When the rest of the world try to cut brush off the Western Alliance the Western countries really did a good job in the beginning of trying to implement the sanctions to the Europeans way too long to come around, but they did, but we got a problem now with countries that are going around the international sanctions and it is not just science. Also, India so that the Russians are very pleased that they're still able to sell and are able to sell around the sanctions I saw a couple of reports were saying you know an approximate this is spin and propaganda, but he was claiming that the sanctions have done nothing to harm the Russian economy. Now we know that that that's not true, but the point. The larger point taken is that they are surviving the sanctions we have not been able to grant them enough and now the Russians are getting money by selling oil to countries that are ignoring the international sanctions continues to occur, how concerned you about the potential action in Taiwan may think that's the other major international focus right now is that some people thought whilst since Russia. Scott had a tougher time in Ukraine. Maybe that's given the Chinese pause, but it certainly seems like the buildup continues their threats continue in the way they're treating the rest of the world. It is, is that with pretty nasty rhetoric while thinking to brilliant engagement in this relationship.

I think that you have to see that the Chinese are enemy very duplicitous. They're going to pretend like they are trying to abide by the international sanctions there and pretend to not be too close to the Russians, but to see them not only buying Russian energy and oil but there also meditate the lesson that there are countries like India and others that will go around the sanctions and so this is a way for the Chinese to say if we calculate that were going to do something in Taiwan, whether it's militarily or just a crackdown of some sort. We can rely on some other countries to go around the sanctions.

We don't have to assume that there will be worldwide sanctions against us. That's a scary lesson and I think that the binding ministration is that I have to start playing a bigger tougher game with countries like India, remember we don't have a US ambassador to India because the mayor of LA is not been able to be confirmed. I think we should move on and try to find something to get that there quickly is way too long.

Administration not to have the investor to a major country like that. It's a world power to your power support economically to the US supported the region I Rick is always, I appreciate your insight and of course the additional insight to late facts like that don't make page news is no US investment in the right now when we talk about all always support for KCl JVC we come back this plug these gun proposals U.S. Senate. They admitted our director of government officials can update us on where they stand. Is it likely that she can have a vote in the Senate before the July 4 holiday. All that coming up next on secular uses final segments day to get you updated.

Because it's something that happened relatively quickly. If there is bipartisan agreement or enough bipartisan agreement enough Republican agreement that it could happen before the July 4 legislative holiday lubricant. They been our director Of government affairs than a lot of our listeners are strong supporters of the Second Amendment and it's not that they don't necessarily want to see anything done after the spews they know there's a problem with.

Specifically, these mass shootings. The part the people involved. The age groups involve the backgrounds involving there's a lot of similarities but it's kind of figure out how do you legislate to figure that out when you got the Second Amendment protections in place, but there is I a kind of an agreement in principle right now in Washington DC on some legislative steps now there's no legislative text yet but let's walk people through some of these that are potentially going to be voted on before July 4 recess you during it's been just over a week now since that framework that you talk about was announced between Chris Murphy of Connecticut, a Democrat, and John Cornyn of Texas and of course event before even getting to the provisions Jordan's that that the thing that makes this significant is that initially there were 10 Democrats and 10 Republicans who said they were in favor of this framework, so in theory that gives you enough votes to pass the United States Senate. But as you try to write legislative texts you run right into that problem that you just talked about your name, and I think there are good meeting Americans on both sides of the aisle that probably have agreement on a lot of these issues but it's difficult to write legislative text that doesn't infringe upon the fundamental rights of all Americans to what you've got here is a nine point plan that these 20 Senators are negotiating there's a core group of four. The two senators that I mentioned and also Kiersten Cinema of Arizona and Tom Tillis of North Carolina and Jordan. I kind of break these nine provisions down into three buckets. There's there's three that are centered around mental health that I think they're going to get to an agreement on there's three that are largely noncontroversial.

They're largely a clerical in nature. I think they're going to get agreement on those.

But then Jordan, there are three provisions. I think maybe we should walk through one at a time. Maybe I'll just throw the matching you can kinda let me know how you want to dig into them, but if the first one is around these red flag, a loss that people are probably heard about the second is related to domestic violence restrictions and then the third is a an enhanced review for by buyers of guns were under the age of 21 I think those three Jordan are where there still working where they're trying to get legislative text that both sides can agree on it so start with the red flag was everybody's heard of that now I some people because they have them in their state.

Some states that are fairly conservative, very conservative Florida have red flag laws that allow people to take this action. If they know a family member and most the time just because a failed number they believe is suicidal and they can go to court and get an order that prevents them for a period of time from being a purchase a gun but what are they looking at doing it from the federal level fan because a lot of us that's been done at the state level. Yes, a great set up Jordan, and I mean I think the framework of what they put in here is probably good is basically offering federal dollars for states set up and running of these red flag laws and I think that's the appropriate way to do it because it allows states to set them up in a way that protects constitutional due process, I would tell you that of the existing laws Jordan. Some of them do a very good job of that, others not at all. I would say that some of the due process is not protected under the state laws and so you want to set up a process that let states do that hang up here though Jordan is a John Cornyn wants to say we want to provide this funding to states and we want to encourage red flag laws.

But if states want to do mitigation that that looks a little bit different. Other ways other than just red flag. He wants to make that funding available to those states as well. I think Jordan it's a way to make sure that this funding doesn't end up all in liberal states were, you would get processes in place that would step on and on and due process protections for American so that's one of the main hangups right now is whether or not they can come up with a framework in legislative tax that would make that money more widely about available to the states. The protections for it again. You see where it's interesting there focuses will the Democrats even be okay with say no it doesn't have to be exactly like this because there could be a major legislative hang up right on that point we don't have the text yet that's again if I know some you don't support any of this at all. Some of you might support all of it would try to get you the facts you prepared about what they might become because they right for get to the boyfriend loophole people been calling it at this could happen very quickly yeah you really have a runway of about four days now your naming if the government is out for a federal holiday today Friday supposed to be the last day they're in session before two weeks off before July 4 and you know anybody who watches policy.

If you take that two week break without a deal, Jordan.

It just is very likely to fall apart.

So I think really you got about four days here for either a deal to come together in the Senate, or probably for it to be put off altogether right else let's go that boyfriend explained that people yield his is because her boyfriend loophole yeah boyfriend loophole it right now. Domestic abusers are prohibited from buying a gun but it's only if they're married or had a long-term relationship with the person involved in can include if they have eight a child together a Jordan there that that didn't Democrats in this group want to expand that of very very broadly so it could be you know someone had a relationship with it, even decades ago, Republicans are asking for much more precise, specific language and look, I mean it lets you speak real to the American people here Giordano I'll think anybody has an issue with allowing some restrictions for somebody that has a restraining order and in an existing relationship writing there. Maybe there are some people do that, but there's pretty broad consensus around that but your you start talking about a very different question. If you're talking about a relationship that is your 2530 35 years old. That is the kind of thing that they're trying to get done here. If they can if they can define it very specifically where you're talking about an active domestic violence threat. I think this is one that can be bridged as well, but if you get to talk about you know our relationship from 30 or 40 years ago. This could trip up the negotiations as well is the third point of the of the nine but the third part of the nine that usage say is kind of the a sticking point which is the under 21 enhanced review process and again that thin the way I've heard some people talk about that is what you know if you're under.

If you're under 21. You want to purchase like an AR 15 the background check should not be barred from any criminal activity you may have committed like is a minor or other information like that is it. Am I right on matters of broader well you are correct on that.

I think it could be broader as well. Think there's concerns on both fronts. One, you know out larger juvenile records get to be a part of this process are you have access to it.

Will that be public information or will it be just sort of a broader if you are under 21 but legally able to buy to buy a firearm. What will that enhanced review look like in turn, I think it's worth noting at this particular point even inside that debate. There's there's a more nuanced debate that II think is worth mentioning, but you got a wide panoply of constitutional rights right, including the right to vote. It makes sense to me for those things to track together. You know maybe maybe 18 is the age where you can both buy a firearm as per your protected right of the second amendment. You can also vote. Maybe that age is 21 but a senator Lee is a someone in town who thinks that all of those constitutional rights that are afforded to adults under the Constitution of the United States. I should track together but I look, I it sounds to me from all the reporting that they have probably landed on language here that everyone is going to agree with.

Inside this group. We don't know what that is yet Jordan a but I can just tell you just from looking at this this is a hot enough topic that this is one area that I could see a maybe a last-minute hurdle that they can't overcome. I think if they can come to an agreement around those three provisions you'll probably see a vote later this week in the United States Senate bill at you know this as well as I do. Jordan until there's legislative tax.

There really is no deal having her talk about for a soup will keep you updated throughout this week if they will keep us updated as well. That's why you got our government affairs team so you know what is going on so hope. Just walking through that understanding that that could be put in the legislative text there to try to be voted on before the July 4 holiday. So stay updated with this throughout the week on the broadcast. The Supreme Court's got opinion days tomorrow is Israel's dissolving the government that means more Israeli elections coming up for prime minister of their horse. Seal all these issues that information

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