BREAKING: Musk Leading Hostile Takeover of Twitter

Today on Sekulow, Elon Musk leading a hostile takeover of Twitter. Will he be successful?

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And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. You know, at our core, the ACLJ is a free speech organization and we believe more speech is good for the dialogue, is good for debate and that while we may be conservative and our opinions may reflect that, that again, the idea is that to flood the marketplace of ideas and then ultimately people will make decisions about what organizations they want to support, what candidates they support, what policies they support, but all these new places to have the discussion. We used to talk a lot to ACLJ. We still do it and for public, for real, you know, speech, it's on the sidewalk speech or whether it's a protest or a sidewalk counselor in front of an abortion clinic, that kind of speech that gets treated differently by courts and liberals who say they are so free speech. But you know, a lot of speech has moved online and that's just by nature of where we are as a world, not just in the United States. And a lot of that speech, especially quickly, is on places like Twitter and Facebook and those have been pretty nasty towards the conservative viewpoint. I mean, they kicked off the former President of the United States before taking action on people like the Ayatollah of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Kremlin's accounts, you know, the list goes on and on. And a lot of other bad actual bad actors because they didn't like the opinion of the President of the United States. Well, now Elon Musk, I've talked about this a lot, I don't know if I've said as much on the show, maybe I have before, but kind of the right in America looking for its billionaires. And when I say the right, I think it's broader than Republican politics.

I think this is more, this gets into libertarians, people who just get this leftist, woke, cancel culture, censorship, monitor everybody's comments, don't allow the robust debate of ideas, call people crazy that you don't agree with and then shut them down. Literally either kick them off temporarily, kick them off full term. So Elon Musk comes in, remember he bought about 10% of Twitter, now he is offered to do one of two things, buy the company outright, okay? So he's put forward $43 billion, that's about 54 bucks a share, that's more than those shares are worth right now, so it's almost $10, almost $9 more than each of those shares are worth. Because Twitter is a publicly traded company, their board has to consider this, has to consider the offer, has to consider, because they have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. They're not a private company, they're a publicly traded company, so their shareholders, I would imagine this scenario, I don't know how their whole operating setup is set up in their board and how much of their board owns the amount of shares, but it's whether or not they have to go to the larger shareholder base on a vote on this, whether or not the board has the power to consider and deny, that's a little bit more than we're going to get into today because that's more how they're structured and who's on the board.

Because Elon Musk said no to a board seat when he bought 10%, if some of the others on the board are in that same number, the board might have the percent necessary to accept or reject an offer like this. But it's a real legitimate offer, this is not like something just to get news, and what it could potentially do, and I'm not going inside the mind of Elon Musk, but is open up the only real platform that's worked, to be honest with you, when it comes to text, quick text, quick news updates, quick discussions, it worked. And it wasn't going the way of Facebook and some of these other social media platforms, and then it did rapidly by removing President Trump and then really starting monitoring free speech. We literally have, I think to call him a conservative or a Republican is a joke now, but Max Boot wrote this, I am frightened by the impact on society and politics, such a joke, if Elon Musk acquires Twitter. They love Tesla, they love their electric cars that he created, but oh, and you know, SpaceX great, but not Twitter. He seems to believe that social media, anything goes. You mean freedom of speech? Freedom of speech.

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Request your free copy of Mission Life today online at ACLJ.org slash gift. I just go back to this speech is speech is speech and our constitution makes us one of the greatest country in the world because it protects our speech constitutionally. Now where we've gotten into issues with the with corporations who set up speech platforms then hide behind other laws to not not be the same kind of soap provide the soapbox not provide the town square.

And I want to just underscore the fact that you have people who call themselves republicans or conservatives on you know on places like CNN and MSNBC and Max Boone is one of those people who just freaked out over Donald Trump and they're still freaking out today so now he's freaking out over Elon Musk. I want to read this to you very carefully because I always say this all speech good speech and you can say that because criminal conduct is not treated the same and real criminal conduct is not protected by the first amendment. So if you're if you're promoting crimes if you're promoting illegal activity then it's not freedom it's not freedom of speech you're talking about you're talking about criminal conduct and that doesn't have to be treated the same. So their first freak out is a lie their second is they don't want people to have opinions that they may not agree with or that may be in the minority but even the extreme minority opinion should be allowed in the United States of America. Now on Twitter it's about half the country's opinion that isn't allowed that can be censored at any time especially if you have any kind of profile there. So I will tell you as someone who actively used the that platform early on we even I remember sit on an email from or one or two from ACLJ announcing that we were going to be on there that we were going to be active we were actually very engaged on there but because so many folks and I still have a lot of Twitter followers but I'm honestly not sure how many people are still actually using it regularly or they're just checking it for news updates but they no longer want to get into the back and forth on Twitter because it just becomes nasty and so because they're okay with that liberals trolling anybody conservative they got no problem with that speech just you know defaming you left and right no problem with that and again I wouldn't even be complaining if I could just have my conversation there put my point there to use the word Trump there and not have to worry about the tweet getting taken down or if we interviewed President Trump it doesn't get taken down or get our account shut down on Twitter. So you have a you have a disrupter I have said this time and time again in our meetings the ACLJ who is going to be the Soros's of the right and of the United States to correct because I don't think you have to be of the right it's just about all speech right and that but that helps you know conservatives because we are the ones being targeted by big tech and especially you know Trump supporters this new movement that scares so much the old school which by the way needed a shake-up in the Republican party someone who's worked in it on the staff of the RNC before on the staff of state political parties on the staff of campaigns for up to Presidents of the United States and attorneys for one you know I will say it needs to be disrupted. Donald Trump was a disrupter there are other there's other a lot of people in politics right now who were disrupters when they came out the Peter Thiel's of the world the the Elon Musk of the world we're going to have one of those disrupters on later on the broadcast he's on our staff and our team Rick Rinnell a disrupter he goes against everything that the left thinks just has to fall in order and he's now been sanctioned by the way by the Islamic Republic of Iran. So I ask you this at 1-800-684-3110 I don't want you to weigh in at 1-800-684-3110 these moves by like an Elon Musk would you would you consider maybe going back on Twitter or utilizing the the the the the platform more if you knew that your your speech was not going to be censored monitored and the content all could decided what would be flagged or not or while your account was deactivated or not by some 20 year old kid in college because that's how Facebook does it they use some outside firm that's a joke that people are trying to they analyze our legal work and then try to make legal assessments they just did to Nikki Haley on the same kind of thing out of Colorado with those Colorado laws where they're using that term perinatal well yeah perinatal means up to a month after birth so when you use that in abortion legislation guess what you're okay infanticide you're you're you're preventing child services from going in and you know a heroin addict who has a child and making sure that child's getting the nourishment they need basics shouldn't be a left or right issue should be absurd that we're seeing a a concerted effort by the abortion industry to use that term across the country you know they don't like Elon Musk for saying you know we need more kids in the United States of America and bigger families in the United States of America because they want population control they think there's too many people in the world and I want your thoughts on this 1-800-684-3110 have you been censored by Twitter have you been censored by Facebook or have you just given up on these platforms I really do want to hear from you on that I mean I know a lot of you may not have like deactivated your account maybe you still want to see your pictures of your grandkids or post pictures of your kids for your grandparents and family but you know what's happened to you on social media 1-800-684-3110 is to get you a little excited when you see a disruptor coming through not on the Soros world but on a guy of our world at least who understands the issues that have faced people in our world on online and being able to have our voice heard 1-800-684-3110 is the number that's 1-800-684-3110 think about this statement Max Boot considers himself to be a conservative he thinks there's been a corrosion of conservatism but you know he still claims to be one he's not anymore by the way and again I can have an opinion on that he can have his opinion he can still claim I mean but when you write a tweet like this it's scary he says I'm frightened by the impact on society and politics if Elon Musk acquires Twitter and they weren't scared about Elon Musk you know his electric cars or SpaceX they were cool when he was doing that but the tweet goes on much worse than that he seems to believe that on social media anything goes it should unless it's criminal it should be a place for the free sharing of ideas even the most minority of positions of opinions should be able to be shared that criminal conduct no that's illegal that's not covered by the first amendment but again the idea that uh anything goes to an extent he he's he's right if it's not illegal and if it's not if it's covered by the freedom of speech and it's covered by our constitutional protections or the breaths remember you know the the the fact that you couldn't talk about the dossier you couldn't talk about who was responsible for the dossier you could talk about the hunter by the laptop until they said you could talk about the hunter by the laptop but he says it's even worse because he says for democracy to survive okay a country based on freedom liberty and you choosing who who who represents you uh at at both in the you know legislature of course is President and your state and your community he says for democracy democracy to survive we need more content moderation not less folks we've dealt with those moderators they are college kids and they're only going after one side of the aisle in america people who are conservative people who are pro-life we don't need more content moderation we need more free speech 1-800-684-3110 is the number you call and i again i hope he's successful i have uh no idea if he will be i haven't done a full analysis of twitter's stockholders and who's on the board exactly and how much they own of the stock and and and how much it's you know smaller you know the shareholders but uh i i do hope it's successful because i think uh it you know hoping they does the right things uh with with with the uh platform but he sounds like he is because he says as it believes it's the potential to be the platforms for spree for free speech around the globe and i believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy so he's got the opposite view of max boot see elon muskley's free speech is the basis for a functioning democracy max boot thinks content moderation is how sad is that by the way how sad is max boot he must be like a really depressed sad person if like his immediate reaction in life to something he doesn't like is we need more content we need more content moderation what a joke let's go to your calls 1-800-684-3110 let's go to lori first in new york online one hey lori hey how are you hey i'm great i'm excited about this potential you know i was just listening to you and i think if he doesn't make it with twitter he will start his own social media that guy's a rock star he he is i think there we have seen i will tell you this i've had an interesting view into this world i only got about a minute left here we'll take more your calls the next time with broadcast 1-800-684-3110 uh uh when when the censorship and the deleting started beginning on twitter uh we talked to a number of companies who wanted to start platforms it's very difficult to do i mean elon musk certainly has the resource to do it truth social has been an example of that where the demand was there but because you're having to work along these hosting servers that are also owned by jeff bezos or google and and then so by some actors that don't like the conservative position it can be very difficult to get off the ground if he's able to do what he is looking to do here with twitter we know this platform works on a massive scale and so you don't have to go and reinvent the wheel uh and you can provide free speech to the world even it's more bigger than just the united states it provides a place for free speech for people who live in places where they don't aren't able to go to the town square give us a call 1-800-684-3110 only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable and voiceless deserve to be protected is there any hope for that culture to survive and that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the american center for law and justice to defend the right to life we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the aclj's battle for the unborn it's called mission life it will show you how you are personally impacting the pro-life battle through your support and the publication includes a look at all major aclj pro-life cases how we're fighting for the rights of pro-life activists the ramifications of row v wade 40 years later play on parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what obamacare means to the pro-life movement discover the many ways your membership with the aclj is empowering the right to life request your free copy of mission life today online at aclj.org gift at the american center for law and justice we're engaged in critical issues at home and abroad whether it's defending religious freedom protecting those who are persecuted for their faith i'm covering corruption in the washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in congress the aclj would not be able to do any of this without your support for that we are grateful now there's an opportunity for you to help in a unique way for a limited time you can participate in the aclj's matching challenge for every dollar you donate it will be matched a ten dollar gift becomes twenty dollars a fifty dollar gift becomes 100 this is a critical time for the aclj the work we do simply would not occur without your generous support take part in our matching challenge today you can make a difference in the work we do protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms that are most important to you and your family give a gift today online at aclj.org all right 100 684 31 10 i the most disgusting thing i've seen out of this the whole news story that elon musk has offered and he has to uh purchase twitter outright i've said time and time again on on the right we're a big organization but you know what we've been facing even our international offices around the world is these billionaires on the left and who are going to be the step-up billionaires to level the playing field a bit we've seen the peter theles of the world yeah we see the donald trump's of the world and we've seen now the elon musk of the world and i think that can be that is was is a kind of a necessary component to what we're facing not just in our country but globally these all have global implications too so when i see a tweet and if this is you know i get i know on twitter people all this the position is my own it's not it it's not the one necessarily of people i work for but he works for the washington post now which says a lot and council on foreign relations uh uh but a fellow says a lot there but again this is somebody who could consider themselves a conservative okay max boot and his reaction to elon musk is oh he seems to believe that on social media anything goes if it's if it's speech it should and i've all i've already made the distinction for you 100 times illegal conduct is not is not protected by the constitution is speech so so that's that there's no debate about anything there but all other speech it should be anything goes it's funny that people say that we're the theocrats we're the we're the you know the christian right and we're the ones saying there should be free speech for everybody and it's max boot who says for democracy to survive this is a pretty low bar for democracy survival by the way we just need more content moderation not a strong military to protect democracies around the world and including ours the leading uh democratic republic in the world no no we need more child content moderators college kids moderating pro-life content online now max boot is probably i don't know if he's even a pro-life conservative but if he is he should probably check what's going on with the content moderation world just on that issue it's absurd uh the fact that you can't talk about the durham investigation without getting flagged by facebook the fact that you can't we can't have a legal analysis and some 20 year old kid flags us and people like nikki haley for our legal analysis it's a joke that's not what freedom of speech is about and the free free sharing of ideas so i asked you you know would you go back to twitter would you utilize it again i want to go to the phones start taking some of those calls let's go to uh uh rita in california online too hey rita hi thanks so much for taking my call yes i so i was absolutely i was taken off of twitter what happened was i put up a hashtag that they didn't agree with and they took me off and so i decided since they violated my first amendment speech that i wasn't going back and then because i did a ukraine project i said you know i'm gonna go back on there to help these people and they when i went back on they immediately suspended my account i was still able to get out then they permanently suspended my account because i didn't like what i said a very very noble thing i said about the country and then um i i had already created another account so the lord's allowed me to still keep going out however i think what's happening with musk in fact i believe it deeply in my heart this is god saying to them i ruled and it's my will that's going to get done and this is his way of vindicating us and i believe it's going to be a fantastic thing for the country well i think more speech is always good for our country i think that you know more sharing of ideas um and and letting people say i don't agree i do agree i think you're crazy i think you're crazy it's fine you know that's america it's it's it's more like where our founding when our founding existed they were it was a lot of nasty political rhetoric and some partisanship and some right and some wrongs and some i believe this but it's also ideas sometimes it's just ideas it's sometimes an idea which could be very small i'm sure the idea what elon musk had of creating elon musk had of creating tesla an electric car company started out people a lot of people think you know he's crazy then he goes i'm gonna i'm gonna put people in space you're crazy spacex but see his whole narrative it's such a disaster you know max boot works for washington post he works for a jeff bezos own company are they all mad there just because elon musk became the richest person in the world and jeff is now at number two and so they get to monitor he works for a organization that is does content moderation and he's just mad that there's a richer guy who could take over this platform and again i hope he's successful i have i have no idea if he will be but it is it's exciting i want to get your thoughts on it folks 1-800-684-3110 keep joining the broadcast that's 1-800-684-3110 let's go to michelle in texas online for hey michelle hi sir how are you we're good great um so my i just want to let you know when you talked about that that i was caught because when i didn't have a twitter account but i when i heard that he bought that percentage i was like you know what i'm going to give it a try maybe we will have freedom because the only um online i have right now is facebook which i get blocked and monitored and fact constantly but i thought i'd give it a try i did so i sat there it takes me a while i'm a granny and i got through it all got signed on picked all the people that i wanted to hear content from and you know what i'm interested in and all that i got on by the time i got on and finished my little account i basically was not even on there two hours and they blocked me for 24 hours told me if i didn't remove my content that uh you know this then this and and as of right now i was like forget it because i got excited thinking i could go on there and and talk free i think he had that percent but you know of course i didn't think logically that he hadn't made a difference yet but so i'm super excited about him buying it because free speech is so important and people that don't wake up and realize that no matter what you think about the other piece of person's speech except for what you said when it has to do with crime anything with crime right it's even if you don't agree you have to remember that their freedom also means my also means my freedom it's so classic that you get on there you finally do it you're there for two hours and immediately fight and i hear this all the time by the way i mean it's it's basically why if you look at my twitter account now you know occasionally i'll share some news stories things like that we'll share a lot about what the aclj is doing even that will get flagged sometimes but for the most part i just i haven't done a lot of personal engagement on it recently because i feel like you know it's just asking to just get everything banned and that doesn't seem good for the aclj not to be able to get its word out there and so it would be great to go back to a place where you can actually utilize it again in a way that you don't have to be worried about the sensors and so nervous about it let me go to uh valerie in california online three quickly hey valerie oh thank you uh so fun talking to you this is the first time um yeah i was on twitter i got off because they um i can't remember if they blocked me but i know facebook has a couple of times for my uh conservative content which of course they're the worst i'd say they're the worst they really are yeah they really are but i i saw this and i was so excited i got right onto your broadcast to listen and this is just i'm like nervous i'm so excited because it almost feels like one for the team you know and that's what that's exactly what i would say that's like there was big organizations in our movement that are doing great things and i think aclj is one of those uh you know that again i've got my own opinion there and part of it but you know these the billionaires that can just go in and disrupt and make those kind of make the kind of offer not just to buy 10 that's billions but then to say i want to buy it all and it's a really fair price i mean again they're going to have to go through all their matrices i'm not i'm not going to get into that we're not going to tell you who stocks and what to buy and what to invest in uh but you know it does on paper it's over nine dollars of what the shares are trading at now so uh what his offer so i think that it's just important here that we we we and i think that's why everybody's feeling wind need those disruptors on our sides and we're a disruptor organization too because i feel like more and more it's it's us who has to be the guardians of speech in america there's no more aclu's they're not for real anymore support the work of the aclj at aclj.org at the american center for law and justice we're engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for a limited time you can participate in the aclj's matching challenge for every dollar you donate it will be matched a ten dollar gift becomes twenty dollars a fifty dollar gift becomes one hundred you can make a difference in the work we do protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms that are most important to you and your family give a gift today online at aclj.org keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is secular and now your host jordan secular all right i'm reading from uh elon musk note to the chairman of twitter's uh board i invested in twitter as i believed in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe but i believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy however since making my investment i now realize the company will neither thrive nor serve this societal imperative free speech in its current form twitter needs to be transformed as a private company so that's the second point to the elon must a potential hostile takeover of twitter is that he's also saying to take it off you know to no longer be a publicly traded company and take it back private as a result he's offering to buy 100 of twitter for 54 20 per share that's a 54 percent premium over the day he began investing in twitter a 38 percent premium over the day before his investment was publicly announced he says his best and final offer and that if he doesn't if it isn't accepted he will reconsider his position as a shareholder so may no longer may resell those shares that he bought again i think the bigger idea here is that the response from the left is where will the content moderators go sad they must be such sad people 1-800-684-3110 to talk to us on here the next segment we're joined by our our senior advisor for foreign policy national security rick renell he's very active on social media and he just got sanctioned i mean which is you know it's it's a badge of honor to be sanctioned by the islamic republic of iran but you know the fact that these these media folks out there think that sanctioning is what twitter needs more of that's what social media needs more of is sickening to someone like me who thinks that every view should be able to be shared some might not be very popular they might they might be a minority of minorities some might be sometimes what we think is wrong but unless it's illegal it should be protected and it's interesting that it's us on the right and people claim that we're the theocrat christian right you know and yet we're the ones saying free speech for all where is the aclu these days they used to defend really radical speech they even used to join our some of our cases well now they only choose one side of speech so they'll support defund the police speech and activism but they're not funding the other side which is fund the police or stand stand with the police and you know i would respect them a lot more if if they again we're saying all speech but i think that's our world now folks it's our world and it's that ultimately we're going to help protect that for people we very much disagree with because we believe that is like elon must said the basis of a functioning democracy is is and it's why you know the bill of rights begins with these freedoms not freedom of a kind of speech or a kind of a religion or a certain kind of press but of all the speech and of all the religions and of all the press 1-800-684-31 tend to talk to us on air let me go to uh john in minnesota online too hey john hey jordan i i totally agree with you on this one i i think that it should be uh a freedom of speech move i hope elon musk can buy this because it can't really be worse i mean i quit twitter twitter instagram facebook several months ago now i couldn't be happier i there's many alternatives and i i think uh having twitter back would be great i would in a minute join it again if elon musk bought the company i think there's a whole lot of people who would either rejoin or get active again whether or not they actually deactivated their accounts and you know the same thing goes for facebook is a different kind of company but you know when you look at that you see you see a lot of accounts there you know that there's not as many people there that the people that are there constantly getting flagged shut down put in facebook jail you know the fact that these have become terms we've needed the disruptors our country always needs disruptors why organizations like us exist we exist to say ah we'll take you to court to fight for the rights of speech and religion the fights the rights that we're given in our founding documents but that so often want to be trampled on by those in power so we've got some disruptors on our side now support the work of the aclj can double your impact and only do it if you're financially able to right now uh double the impact your donation with our matching challenge month at aclj.org that's aclj.org rick are now joining us next it's been sanctioned by the islamic republic of iran at the american center for law and justice we're engaged in critical issues at home and abroad whether it's defending religious freedom protecting those who are persecuted for their faith i'm covering corruption in the washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in congress the aclj would not be able to do any of this without your support for that we are grateful now there's an opportunity for you to help in a unique way for a limited time you can participate in the aclj's matching challenge for every dollar you donate it will be matched a ten dollar gift becomes twenty dollars a fifty dollar gift becomes one hundred this is a critical time for the aclj the work we do simply would not occur without your generous support take part in our matching challenge today you can make a difference in the work we do protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms that are most important to you and your family give a gift today online at aclj.org only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable and voiceless deserve to be protected is there any hope for that culture to survive and that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the american center for law and justice to defend the right to life we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the aclj's battle for the unborn it's called mission life it will show you how you are personally impacting the pro-life battle through your support and the publication includes a look at all major aclj pro-life cases how we're fighting for the rights of pro-life activists the ramifications of roe v wade 40 years later play on parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what obamacare means to the pro-life movement discover the many ways your membership with the aclj is empowering the right to life request your free copy of mission life today online at aclj.org slash gift all right welcome back to secular you'll be talking about the need on on kind of our side of the aisle and really for speech in general for more disruptors at the you know because they've got their billionaires on one side of the aisle and it's starting to line up we've got some of ours too you've got the you've got the must the theals of the world the donald trump's of the world who are willing to put themselves through being you know the political process and and even like the situation with twitter there's also folks like rick renell who are proud to have on our team who's our senior advisor for foreign policy and national security and rick i saw when i saw this you know it's it's it's just kind of unbelievable that the total narrative but i've been telling people throughout that we're going to talk about that you've been sanctioned by the islamic republic of iran i'd wear it as a badge of honor but it also just the fact that tell people why and it was interesting that there were no liberals sanctioned by the islamic republic of iran this time yeah the secretary of state of the united states is not sanctioned by iran what does that mean it means that the iranian regime is afraid of certain messages and certain people i have as somebody who is incredibly pro-life i have always tried to push forward human rights issues and one issue that i care very deeply about is how 69 countries around the world criminalize homosexuality and want to put you in prison for being gay and nine countries will kill you for being gay and and iran is one of those countries that absolutely does this they they abuse women they abuse the entire population but they will kill someone for being gay and i have pushed back on this and we have a website called outspoken and it's in farsi the language language of iran and it's also in arabic and we do great work here well that's clearly a threat to the regime in iran and so they added me as a denier of human rights or somebody who's abusing human rights whatever their words are we know exactly what they mean they don't want anyone to defend everyone's right god-given right to exist and to make choices in their life and to be free and so i'm proud of of this designation and you know the fact is is it's not going to affect me at all i'm not doing business in tehran i i live in los angeles which they call terangelis because we have so many uh iranian americans that live here and so this is a i think point of pride for the iranian community in the united states when you stand up to the regime to push human rights and then get sanctioned for it yeah i mean it's a it's a country we have a lot of knowledge with because we've done so much where i've been in gulf states that have relationship with iran on behalf of christians who are in prison and facing death also because they're christian faith in iran i mean it's like the list they have a list and kind of like what you said rick of things that you can be imprisoned for and then things they'll actually execute you for and uh being a christian is one of those being gay is one of those uh you know speaking out against the regime being any kind of uh opposition leader is one of those i mean but it's also to me interesting that they decide what group to pick and they don't pick on some of the even bigger actors uh on the world stage when it comes to uh gay rights well look my uh my grandpa grandpa grinnell used to always tell me that you take the most incoming fire when you're over the target and i think people need to realize that it's one of the reasons why donald trump i think takes a lot of incoming fire it's why j cecula takes a lot of incoming fire when you're over the target your enemies realize oh they're going to do some damage and i i take this as a bad badge of courage uh as a badge of honor that the iranian regime is targeting me and not the human rights campaign or not glad or not the secretary of state uh anthony blinken um we fight for pro-life issues we fight for religious liberties i personally am constantly thinking about human rights and i think that human rights need to be a part of our negotiations and relationship with any country and so the idea that we're trying to do a nuclear deal with iran while they're pushing gay people off the building or crucifying christians or denying women basic rights it doesn't make sense to me no it doesn't i mean to me it's it's one of the it's one of the imperatives why we need to be so less dependent on china is the genocide there of muslims and people will look to us yeah we we we're always speaking out about that and again we don't hear it much in the corporate world we don't hear much in the left who've got those relationships and so it's us it's you know it's the it's a christian founded group calling out the the the muslim genocide the same people who they were calling islamophobic uh who still will call us islamophobic who will call that i do want to get to to also rick um the shake-up in the social media world happening at this moment right now you're very active on social media you gotta uh you got a lot of friends in that world too and and when you see a move by this by elon musk there's palpable excitement in our in our listeners and those watching our broadcasts right now and our supporters and just the news that he's making an attempt at buying twitter what's your reaction i mean look we've got some people who just want to play fair i think we've trained kids for 20 years to run out of the room when they hear a different viewpoint our college campuses and universities are completely biased and one-sided and our social media platforms are the same way they're censoring aclj they're they're censoring me they're censoring you they they don't like arguments to be made that show their hypocrisy and this is one of the reasons why they kicked off donald trump because he was making progress in going directly to the people with conservative arguments and so they need to control the debate it's why editors you know at newspapers used to control the whole whole debate and now social media means we don't need the reporter and the editor anymore we go straight to the people well now they're biting back and they're trying to control that thank god for people like uh like elon musk i think that more individuals need to step up and push to make big tech corporations universities just play fair we're not asking them to be conservative we're asking them to just not be making progressive arguments and limiting the conservative argument it's allowing real free speech which does not mean illegal activity and that's always been the clear kinds the minority opinions the the majority opinions and the the kind of the we the out there opinions it's all fine let them all be out there and then but then i see this tweet from max boot that the opposite approach claims to still be a conservative or at least play one on tv and then you know he's his he's literal and i feel kind of sad for these people rick because this is their immediate response he works for jeff bezos at the you know because he works for watching posts but he writes for democracy to survive for democracy to survive we need more content moderation not less to me that that is just the most absurd statement but also a very sad statement if this is where uh so much of the the the the media elite is coming from now it doesn't make sense he's totally blinded that somehow we need to limit the conversation in order to have greater freedoms and i think history shows that max boot has come so close to power and he wants to be accepted and celebrated by the by the cool kids the popular kids the ones with power that he's willing to say anything and that means limiting the people's power in order to pretend like you're you're helping the situation let me be very clear we should not be afraid of conversations about content but anything i don't care what it is if you believe that you have the right way then you should be able to talk about all of these issues and it's only going to strengthen your arguments yeah i mean the idea is that what's been unfortunate in the social media world is that rick there's folks like you who take i mean you see the incoming it's nasty and so a lot of folks who this might not be their day-to-day kind of job as in politics or in government and so they've just walked away from it and whether they've deactivated accounts or they're just not there and what i've heard from today so far on the show is so many people say you know i want to be back i want to be in part of the discussion i did enjoy it and and and uh but what you're seeing from the left is basically oh my god they make these people might show up again listen what what our audience needs to realize is that the tactic of the left is just to say that you're a racist sexist or homophobe or now the new one a russian agent and if you can just get comfortable that you are going to be one or two of those and that's just the typical argument don't be silenced don't back down yeah exactly right oh folks i want to take your we're going to take your calls on this too the next segment of the broadcast 1-800-684-3110 uh this move by elon musk is it more likely that you would be back on social media that would you you'd use it again 1-800-684-3110 because rick a final question but we've seen uh and through even the platform President trump's been behind we've talked to lots of people who when he got first banned and they would start banning other people it is very difficult to get these platforms off the ground if someone like elon musk can go in and spend the money that he's got to buy one like it uh it can shake things up quite substantially yeah look it's it's definitely capital intensive we need people with money and and power to step up and do it look we're half the country right right uh we we have to start acting like it we can't be canceled um when people try to cancel you you have the power to cancel them but don't and what we can say is is that that we are half the country and we're here and we're not going away as rick always appreciated and again the fact that uh folks proud you know you've got work with uh rick he's now got sanctions by iran mike pompeo they're trying to kill him as he said on this broadcast be part of the broadcast 1-800-684-3110 i think that 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protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms that are most important to you and your family give a gift today online at aclj.org all right welcome back to secular we are taking your phone calls to all the social media 1-800-684-31 tim but there's something else uh and i know you all care about at the border you know the title 42 has been discussed a lot but and we've seen a number of uh democrats come out especially those who are represent border states christian cinema kelly uh in arizona police have seen joe manch we've seen others and and now a candidate for governor in in uh texas a former Presidential candidate uh former mayor beto o'rourke okay so this is not someone who is on you know it's even close to the middle of the democrat party right he plays at least he plays himself off it's pretty far left he is now coming after the the biden administration for ending title 42 with the exact same point we've all made is that this is what he said uh this is beto o'rourke i want to make it clear again this is who i'm quoting right now it does not make sense to end this title 42 until there is a real plan and the capacity in place to handle those and address those that come over i've yet to hear a plan from the biden administration to address the dynamic we will have on the border once title 42 ends they're making you keep your mask on in airplanes uh wes but they are about to release uh stop a program which has empowered our border patrol agents to at least push back on some of the illegal immigration yeah ostensibly for health reasons which apparently you know like a lot of things with this administration is pretty hypocritical you know when you're President joe biden and you lose support you're being criticized by beto o'rourke you're in real trouble President biden's popularity has dropped down his approval rating to 33 he's being criticized by a man who has who keeps losing one bid for public office after another he wanted to be the mayor they didn't want him to be the mayor down there he ran for the senate to try to unseat ted cruz lost that he ran for President now he's running for governor of texas it's like beidou o'rourke is jumping up and down all the time saying pick me pick me and the people of texas are simply not buying it but he is trying to have it both ways on title 42 because up until last tuesday beidou o'rourke was for canceling title 42 and so when he found out that that wasn't playing well because he is running for governor and that the the border patrol and the people of texas were upset about that because they're predicting that that will mean 18 000 people a day illegally crossing the border when all that came about he is now against suspending title 42 with the criticism that there is no other plan in place implying that if there's a plan in place he's still for getting rid of title 42 so basically what this is jordan is hollow criticism on title 42 that for beidou o'rourke is born out of political expediency i don't think it's genuine yeah i mean senator cinema a democrat from arizona you know she said the extension of the mass mandate on planes and public transit transit these title 42 should remain she said the quote the administration's extension of public health emergency authorities so they're extending that that this is an emergency to save this kind of superpower proves the need to delay lifting title 42 to protect the health and safety of arizona communities and migrants let's talk about the migrants too we talk a lot about that issue uh west we've talked about a lot this week it's not all about just protecting our border with that it should be the top concern for our leaders but also the human rights uh concerns of the migrants coming across and their safety and security the trafficking we've talked about this week we've also talked about the drugs but then i want to tie this to a quinnipiac quinnipiac poll uh they've now shown by that their lowest point 33 i mean you cannot get much lower in a country of two major political systems where there's a base of support for a democrat that's basically where you're at i mean the base for each party is somewhere around the 30s and that's what he's left with yeah think about the implications of that that two-thirds of the american people don't approve of the job he's doing and and this is not due to circumstances beyond the President's control sometimes things happen in a presidency and they can't help it and they may deal with it poorly but they didn't cause it in joe biden's case most everything that is dragging him down politically he created it starting on his first day in office when he canceled the keystone xl pipeline and he continues to create the crises that are dragging him down politically and making him an ineffective President the border being the largest and most obvious one because of the the things you mentioned jordan that that this is a national security issue it's a moral issue with the human trafficking the sex trafficking and on and on it goes and yet this administration literally literally is ignoring what's going on on the southern border i wanted to just uh since we finished out the broadcast today because i want to give people where there's necessary updates on what's going on in russia and ukraine we've seen a new uh a voice re-emerge out of russia dimitri medvedev who was temporarily present there when they were making constitutional changes to allow putin to rerun for office and then extend the terms that a President can serve there so it can be basically indefinite and so he was the President and now back to uh then he was uh prime minister before that but very close to putin he's the deputy chair today of russia's security council making a nuclear threat another a new kind of nuclear threat this time not about nuclear weapon use in ukraine but to uh to to western europe yeah finland and and and switzerland i mean sweden excuse me they they want to join nato and so because of that because of their desire their planning actually they had a joint news conference and they're going to apply of course nato would still have to approve it but because of that he has said well that will mean that the denuclearization of the baltics is no longer on the table that they're going to feel free to bring in nuclear weapons uh to that region here's the thing about this russia you know is in deep trouble and their card that they played in ukraine was well we're going to invade and part of the reason was we don't want ukraine to be a part of nato by that invasion and all the atrocities there what is happening is that more and more countries want to be a part of nato so that because of that you know these two countries now want to join nato as well and for them jordan it's a strategic time to do it because right now under normal circumstances if they wanted to join nato especially finland you can see russia invading finland the same way they did ukraine but they're bogged down in ukraine and so if they're ever going to do it and and have a safety net these two countries to be a part of nato now's the time when russia really you know realistically cannot attack them his idea though one of the quick thing about that the baltics will no longer be nuclear weapons free is such a joke yeah uh russia has nuclear missiles that can reach stockholm in three and a half minutes and that we know for a fact that russia has been violating the treaty on short range and medium range nuclear missiles all over uh you know facing towards towards eastern europe so for him to say well you know now all the all options are off the table we'll bring in nuclear weapons you know russia already possesses that capability in this region this is another attempt at russia trying to bully europe it has been a somewhat effective for russia because it has kept especially in the ukraine conflict it is kept major world powers out of it because whether their ground game works is is struggling which it is in their communities atrocities which they are they they also have this ability to uh to destroy the world yeah and one other thing that some media outlets just reported while you're on the air today which i have not fully read all the reports i've read a couple of them russia is also now saying that since the u.s is supplying weapons to ukraine that those supply lines are now legitimate target targets for russian military and that is a new development and one that's rather alarming and right and where does that supply line begin does it begin here does it begin in a european base that we have appeared in uh you know germany at a large base there poland uh i mean you know that's a broad term as well you could you could imagine that you're talking about like you know right around the borders but you can also expand that term out because the supply starts somewhere and uh and a lot of those mean at a u.s military base or even right here in the united states 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