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March 3, 2022 12:00 pm

There's a lot of talk in the media right now about holding Putin and other Russians accountable for war crimes for what they've done in Ukraine. Texas Representative Chip Roy joins Jay, Jordan, and the rest of the Sekulow team to discuss. ACLJ Senior Counsel Frank Manion also joins to discuss a major trial we're in the middle of as we fight to protect the voices of the voiceless unborn in federal court. This and more today on Sekulow .

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About the Russians could ever happen in human form.

Now this is the prosecutor just wanted to on the ground in Ukraine looking into the war crime allegation.

I don't think it's going to be hard once you see the civilian targets you just putting up a video in various places want to hear from you, Sharon poster, call 1-800-684-3110. For example, car keys in the Northeast really bombarded Children's Hospital, a orphanage shipment is not. These are not military targets and it's pretty easy to make that distinction now your sick you know there's a lot sure war crimes because there's a lot of talk you understand. How could we ultimately hold up and Russians accountable for the atrocities received on television special because this was a war of choice. Ukraine is not far you to Russia. They were not trying to pick a battle with Russia. Russia decided to do this unilaterally to build a coalition. They did build up land that it really told the world was some neo-Nazis there that it was ridiculous. So this is moved to say what lease one day maybe we can hold it accountable. Even here the ICC. The international criminal Court prosecutors on the ground in Ukraine except for big problem either Ukraine nor Russia nor the United States or the US.

Some other country.

Other major superpowers out of China are members of the international criminal court.

They have not ceded jurisdiction over their country's actions to the court so you don't have either party here that there's this tenuous finger try to argue we'll get into later.

The broadcast about well received its jurisdiction very Crimea, so maybe we can use that except for that conflict ended. This is a totally new conflict and we we I do want to be careful because people think this is by the way you went to to refer the Security Council guess was a veto on the Security Council because their probative member Russia so they're never going to allow their leaders to be charged and tried at the international criminal court right international criminal court which is getting a lot of praise right now from US leaders disable US leaders who did not agree. So you can't play these games with an international drug dealer that's been looking for universal jurisdiction to somehow justify success where we know more about this.

I think any lawyer in the United States because one of the few lawyers and law firms that actually appear before the International Criminal Ct. in The Hague.

I'm hit holding my hand for a radio audience. My trial notebook that says on it and will put it up on the screen it says international criminal court. The appeals chamber situation in the Islamic of Afghanistan that is an ICC number 0217 and that was December 4-6, 2019 was a three-day trial put that up on the screen right okay and that was the trauma but we know a lot about the ICC. Here's the situation the George that is actually correct, they do not have, nor should they have universal jurisdiction. What is happening in Russia.

I think there are war crimes that are being committed the act itself, but that doesn't mean the international criminal court is the place for that to be adjudicated. We'll talk about that later in the broadcast coming up and move wanted to share this with your friends. We were just in court here in the United States on a domestic matter standing up for the life of the unborn were to talk about that all of these cases, the international criminal Court in the Hague, the US District Court in New Jersey standing for life. Any of those cases. All those cases, this broadcast every day is because of your support of the American Center for Law and Justice were a matching challenge campaign in March roughly really good start. Want to continue that momentum to write and to be part of the ACLJ's matching challenge simply got ACLJ.org what it means if you donate $25 to the ACLJ today online ACLJ.org is a group of donors throughout the month of March that will match donation to come through. You gotta take the initial action, though, to get that match those noticed you donate $25. They also donate $25, effectively $25 donation is like $50 force at the ACLJ that goes for five dollars donation of $200 donation on up from there. So, if you will to support our work much bigger than just the broadcast of the ACLJ.org building today be part of the Benton County comeback update on life cases the Gorbachev Roy back Ukraine to Russian the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom.

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All of us working together we been doing this for four decades, and yet even with wings at the Supreme Court on this very kind of issue we are still finding ourselves defending those that want to speak out for life in the vicinity of an abortion clinic, but give us the details of this case. What was an evolving point and you're right what's happening. Having data Supreme Court 2014: versus Coakley that the lower courts and probably still haven't figured out that the court meant what it said. We represent a woman Carol Turk of Siebel accounting outside of an abortion clinic in Englewood, New Jersey since 2005 for the first eight years, things were fairly peaceful that in 2013 a new group of protesters. Pro-life protesters arrived at a completely different approach than the entire sheet she prefers the quiet personal one-on-one communication with people handing the pamphlet I giving them alternatives to abortion as you think that's more effective. Frankly I did to which is not to say that these people other people don't have their own 1st.the city was claiming in the clinically claiming that they were doing illegal things, pushing people, blocking doors, screaming into the building. That sort of thing.

While in the Englewood response was to pass a buffer zone which excludes from the vicinity of the clinic not only those people they may or may not have a right, but also our client and other quiet peaceful Siebel counselors Supreme Court in 2014 90 how often you have unanimous decision in person take maybe never including people like RPG said cities. You can't do that these kind of buffers dollars are disfavored. If you exhaust everything else, it targeted injunctions against the actual vault doors face type laws, prosecutions of actual criminal violations.

If none of that works, then maybe you can go to buffers.

Englewood did not matter that the money for the seven years been litigating this case, it finally came out in court last week and were hoping to get a successful result in the end, as I think about this litigating at the Supreme Court and Court of Appeals kind of abortion free speech cases for literally for decades and when you have a situation like this, you think yourself while you want. It's not.

And why would you be back in federal court within a municipality, thinking they could treat pro-life speech different than any other form of communication and that's what the real problem is here. They treat pro-life protesters as if they are is as our printer largest asbestos in the ceiling tile are dangerous.

Just because the pro-life so we can change all the rules. That's why we have to keep fighting with what we play equipment but will take the literally step we won the case on summary judgment 2017 at the District Court level the city appeal, the Third Circuit spent about a year and 1/2 mulling that over that that you know what we need a trial so that's why this case is Greg for so long and in the meantime, our client have to navigate this obstacle course created by the buffer zone is really six separate boxes of look like it is simply impossible to share the message she wants to share in the way that only she wants to share the way that unanimous Supreme Court that she has an absolute right to try to collect why were still fighting. This is a time when we got the biggest abortion case it since Roe versus Wade is is at the US report waiting for the opinion came up in the state of the Union address by Pres. Biden's report just says that you they show their faces which were stored. Most timers say the union made even more stoic when he made that attack on them because ultimately that's what he's trying to use even at that moment trying to influence them at that. I was mentally and that we have that we also representing South Dakota and their Gov. Christie know indicates their evolving informed consent right so we are. I think on the one hand during the traditional cases we work out like the sidewalk counselor like informed consent were also preparing for what would a post Dobbs in a good way yes world look like and Frank there would be an unbelievable amount of new litigation because you got state constitutional issues gives probably that half the states the country and what to put in similar laws. Other states that might be kind of somewhere in the middle and then some states are going to be very pro-abortion.

And so it's can be up to groups like ours to go in and educate the legislators on what they can and can't do the steps they need to take to get the laws passed. There's a lot of work that could be done at the pro-life movement will not be done because what happens Dobbs about it.

I mean, Dobbs goes the way we hope it goes or even part of the way that we think it should go back and began to litigate the beginning of a new round of litigation slightly different in some way.

But you're right, I mean the categorical laws will be challenged and defended all across the country. After that, things I thought about I see this guy goes the way we think it does in that particular case is without a major break in an amicus brief. We been involved in abortion litigation case of the sprinkler ficus of four decades.

I think the crisis pregnancy centers on women's health centers are to be really at risk in states that are pro-abortion. We already know the one at the Supreme Court on this. They are going to try to regulate them out of existence. I forget who we are with the defendant in the case that you got something in Kemal Harris ugly and even more influential position now so that's the kind of thing were up against the right crisis faculty Senate are also on the front line just as they are targets that are targets of the pro-abortion regulators all over the place, you had to try what, what's the next move after the trial, how to go for small went by I think we I think articulate better after the trial, you'll appreciate this.

J every single one of the five witnesses to testify for the city or deposition testimony on the crucial issues in the case. It was like it was prolonged it was like Christmas morning. I sat there with fish and transcript for every single one of them. Remember when I took your deposition you said the opposite, that rarely happens in trial, but I think I came across loud and clear to the judge who heard the case. We have a couple weeks to submit our written destinations fighting affecting law and wait for decision after that.

So very important. So you always complete the post work here is you got briefs and submissions do. As a result of the witnesses at trial. Basically, summation exactly exactly right.

It's a ship website. CRT was born at its today was the day 35 years ago. He argued the first case the Supreme Court of Jews for Jesus case that was 35 years ago, they suffer. Our audience who may be new to our work. I know some people know that we been doing that for decades which might be new to our work is a photo right outside the courthouse for little that's me the bluecoat that there will you know just the expert will be taught at the expertise. It is been over three decades of work at the Supreme Court and likely time that I work at the ICC we have this all the specific very unique specialities and focuses so I think I get it's it's worth pointing out to all of you during this matching challenge monthly support worker. ACLJ is for the working organization that is been in existence for God that is been at the Supreme Court for 35 years protecting your constitutional rights on the whole house of issues whether it's free speech was really that's what this case about units of got abortion distortion in it because abortion clinic but it's free speech that's with the Jews for Jesus case also about free speech. The idea religious speech is just like other speech where free speech and we can argue that fighting for freedom in you. It's interesting that I would say is over time. There were other groups who would say whatever you would like more extreme free-speech groups like the ACLU and the not anymore. Now they feel sides know that we face. I think about this. Now I'm in looking at this picture for those that are watching us and for those that are listening on radio. I mean, it said that this is that it is a historic picture drawing three years old. Logan's inanimate nephew of ours. Defendant my white brothers and it on. My parents were both in heaven, now is well presented. Store Roth is there. That's along we been doing all of this and the fact is about a week after this hearing I met in Kentucky with a lawyer named Pat Monahan, Frank, and we started working together.

Then death. So when you look at that and it should be litigated in the 80s and 90s. The 2000 2010's and the 2025 decades before the Supreme Court of the United States.

The folks I get it. Just a great example of the work outside what you see on this broadcast which is important part of our work because we believe the message out for you and what it's it's a get it's so it's a small part of everything else that goes on behind the scenes. The cases the attorneys are out around the country defending constitutional rights in a time where free speech is under attack is based on the censorship based new sensors in the world we fight back against the my sister Jeannie and my sister love them.

It was a family affair then it is now two RFI entire family still fully engaged as we go to the next generation leadership Jordan Logan very important support work in a sealed only one. A society can agree most vulnerable. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn mission life will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the history and what Obama care means to many ways, your membership is powering the right question mission life today online/American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad.

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We are joined by good friend of ours occurs at ship Roy of Texas, the 21st congressional district is the one we got to Washington DC to lobby for his cards with his Chief of Staff to a Sen. Ted Cruz at staff director for Sen. John Cornyn's people to work with a long time with ACLJ a Carson ship. Roy is a leading voice a conservative voice of the country and is great that mother broadcast today-I want to jump right into it because you talk about the idea in your tweet this morning if you're gonna go vote for appropriations or appropriations to assist Ukraine which appears this bipartisan support for now. To do that. We've got to unleash an open American oil and gas and more the pipelines the rags offshore federal lands put altogether else. You say it's a fail. Tell people about that well from Yarbrough and Ingrid Michelle but the thing that were dealing with here and right now let me be clear to listeners got a $32 billion package brewing in Washington right now money to go to dollars for legal assistant for Ukraine but also Ukrainian humanitarian assistance but also a whole bunch of COBIT money for continuation of a couple of vaccines pushing by the administration and therapeutics all going right in the pocket the Pfizer so I'm just bringing up and raising the question that you just let the tweet one dollar is appropriated one dollar spent in Republicans supported next week to go towards the Ukrainian situation that were dealing with right now we don't free up American energy fraud and we need to call them all out on the front and got a green new deals are solution prior that will not solve thing it will leave America behind it will empower our enemies and it will drive up the cost of energy in this country.

I'm telling the left doesn't care radical left actually wants to use this for to advance a radical green new deal that motivating their clear wrap themselves in the flag Ukraine but I'm telling you what they really want. If they want to be able to use the overall world about how to reset the energy landscape and that means shutting down American energy and Evaline on China and Russia.

That's a real fight, this is Jay. I believe the idea that we are still importing oil from Russia today and that we had to shut down the pipeline in the United States by the bite administration as soon as they got into office, which would've provided that we were under oil exporter, and now we are dependent upon Russia for our energy. This to me is just absurd. And of course Joe Biden is not put any sanctions on Russia's energy sector right now.

What about Pacific and and and what about in the union about their lack of intent lack of intent to address the situation at all their purple perfectly fine. Continuing the status quo.

Frankly, going further down the so-called pre-new Deal road which all fraud in pursuing fantasy unicorn energy policy that Levi's all your enemies.

You can set it 600,000 barrels of oil imported from Russia every day.

The United States even though we sit on a mountain of oil and natural gas we constricted our supply.

We have shut off permit we close down and more.

We shut down the Keystone pipeline to the other pipelines we have for going down and saying we can't push out a liquefied natural gas, and limiting what were able to push out to the wall. This is all happening in real time, and yet were were all sitting around talking about what we need to do to send more aid Ukraine. The very first thing we need to do right now is free of American energy or I don't want to hear about any of it.

Just this resonates with all of our listeners right now, but I think what you said to step back that bigger picture here, which is that they are utilizing this world crisis which everyone acknowledges is horrendous with the Russians are doing to the Ukrainians okay. We all acknowledge that we also acknowledge this wide support that there should be US boots on the ground that we can deliver aid, but that we are in a sense, allowing the left to punish Americans be they would use that word we would punish Americans at the pump and would get with natural gas as well so that we ultimately asked which is say will type if we buy in to that or beaten down into buying into this great new deal idea right in LOL to be clear to the resolution yesterday my colleagues about our contempt for Putin about the fact that we stand with the people of Ukraine got to the trip Ukraine with my bosses you got to lose you. We went to Kevin 2014 we went to Estonia, met with the President in 2013 we went over more solid with the pole in 2014 and I met with these folks and these are folks you like a hunger for freedom there on the eastern side of Europe because they've seen the totalitarian state of the Chevy. These people understand freedom better than most Americans thought about so I want to be able to stand alongside them but I'm not can also be upon George Soros and the radical left game of trying to make us bow down to the altar of the green new deal and make energy so that they can advance their social welfare state. There their agenda of making us reliant on foreign oil reliant on China for the all of the minerals that we need for making solar panel and in reducing our independent sovereignty question just like our southern border Democrats don't care about it. They don't care about American exceptionalism.

They wanted new world order. That's what they're trying to do and we got to stop there's another very involved in a sorely and that is the situation the crisis on the border may documentary out Texas under siege. The human toll of binds border crisis you were down there. What's your assessment right now. Well, that documentary from Sen. Cruz in the fall of the got that out there explaining exactly what we did go down below laid out what County, Texas going down the valley got back out just last week a letter grade book for other cognizance of five totaling five Texas state legislature member to go down and meet with folks in del Rio, we would downward down the river right with the alleged whipping it then occurred which was a lie. So why not just talking the President only got including a lot of my orders and they are punishing border patrol they are minimizing their ability to do their job they are claiming asylum is in the green light for the old United States but in fact 90% plus of the people claiming asylum have no basis under our law to claim file for job goblins import you.

You wouldn't believe we are people of faith Christian. I want to help people. I want to make sure the people can live. I begrudge no one seeking prosperity, but I do begrudge people like the secretary of homeland security leading our border wide open empower cartel, allowing final border community in Belleville Texas right now thousand people a day or come across a more in del Rio Texas in that sector 26 migrants died in the Rio Grande River since October 1 when all the cameras locked up but of limitation for the 32nd tier but for people who are seeing that many documentary Texas under siege. The human toll of binds border Christ were talking to Carson chief Roy of Texas, where she quickly don't find that you like the website of Lloyd.house.gov you can follow the ship or that, my personal political website twitter chip Lloyd TX and no overlap chip Lloyd on the official count well, you give folks I could you check that out. I Texas under siege is a front center and they all seem to Carson Roy to connect what you can have one without the other. They all play against each other and it's a massive change in and how you're going to structure the government is which side you port in which title wins out of these issues like oil and gas second half hour coming up a lot to talk about all this talk about war crimes really hold accountable if there really a way to do that. The American Center for on critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ keeping you informed and now is Jordan secular secular comment made we would tell you that this past sake, White House press secretary caught up in it as well. I'm a just play it for you first listen closely and will analyze Nicholas.

I was at the State Department, the President was the vice President. The last time Russia invaded Ukraine. This is a pattern of horror from this present from President Clinton and from the colonies around him. So what is the pattern for which the unifying factor in all of this is taking these actions would bide was vice President and others present when did not take these kind of actions when Joe Biden wasn't in the executive branch. He was excluded for four years as a trump was enough associate sheet.

I don't think that's what she wanted to be.

Say, but literally is the Biden Pattern of horse because it ultimately as the most powerful country in the world United States sets the tone right now the but is were weak were divided and our country may look at the scattershot state of the union. It was like that. It is possibly figure out where the focuses of our federal government, which is tough and so tried is looking at, Taiwan, Russia, not just annexing a part of Ukraine full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The common denominator of Russian pattern of horror is it Joe Biden is in the executive branch is to be tomorrow's broadcast where really get into this tomorrow, let's go ahead and take a phone call with folks telling statement from Jen sake, didn't mean it to be but clearly it is Carol's counter for Marilyn online what he care welcome to secularly on the plane level of involvement something Ukraine unification of its members is nothing that prevents a country as a member of NATO release entry in this conflict another country could say were forced no-fly zone and I think that would make it a different question about whether or not that invokes article 5 because it would attack the voluntarily entered. I think it does (I don't think warships were naming and shaming the Europeans enough when it comes to this there trying to make it all about us. Even Zelinski a little bit too much about us the US how about your European partners. They have fighter jets to most of them put together by us. They have a very good fighter jets and bring outright very well trained huge land forces, but they don't really need that right now you think you had some air support to couples convoys.

This might be over so what the Europeans in these individual countries. They don't get their hiding behind that idea of NATO voluntarily decided to get involved so there is nothing prohibiting France, Germany, Poland, these other countries from simply engaging UK United Kingdom from sending in troops sending in a certain area no-fly zone creating a no-fly zone. Why would it be the United States and number one number two you don't have to wait for NATO, which has to have unit unanimity to take action here.

If this could actually help Ukraine. Some of this is propaganda from both sides. We have to be clear and were to be crystal clear on this, like this international criminal court conversation went There's a lot of talk but we've done the stop folks and it's not is simple as the general on TV are making it sound like I don't care what network on frankly what is doing just that. There is nothing prohibiting Latvia right Estonia.

These countries are worried about this from providing more direct armaments, including soldiers of necessary that could happen. The question is why is it always the United States. Here, that are coming to even that will supply plenty of resources, money and ammunition utilize because they don't want to fight and die for this. They want us to fight and die for this and ACS is their hammer and there's not that support is probably some more support. There was with us began but still hear from politicians. Clearly both sides.

The they understand the ramifications US Russia war, which is a lot different than the ramifications of the France involving a no-fly zone with Russia difference nuclear two nuclear powers going to war versus a medium-size European country with the military that could do it if they were willing to potentially lose loss of life that would help with fighting with Russia in the year, the American Center for on critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those covering corruption in Washington fighting to protect life reports and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this.

For that we are grateful way you can participate in the ACLJ challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 $50 gift becomes 100. This is time for the ACLJ. The work we simply would not occur without matching challenge. Make protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms. Most gift today online okay only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn will show you how you personally. Publication includes all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood Obama care me in many ways your membership is powering the right mission life today online/2nd is about war crimes and criminal court because the prosecutors on the ground.

Ukraine already either this kind of a new pretrial chamber process putting together what would be a case against Russian leaders, generals Putin for these war crimes which began with your paper for you with what war crimes are the invasion you suggest invading a country that for no reason.

Wharf choice is what's called and then saw it. The sovereign tear sovereign nation at that. So there's issues there in the targeting of civilians. You have to prove that was done intentionally. You can see in the images about how you could build this case. The problem is not really building the case. It's never been the problem with trying to prosecute war crimes. The issue is bid in the US is that the lien of this most countries who are engaged in conflict on a more regular basis because of their standing in the world don't sign onto any of these treaties that allow international criminal courts any jurisdiction over their actions. That's because think about the US we've negated to passive law wars. Just finished Afghanistan and Iraq. They still try to get you US soldiers through the ICC. We were there, and so I what I just laid out before always be careful when you're dealing with because either Russia or Ukraine are member of the ICC. If both were easy discussion if one was a little bit easier.

Discussion if neither are then you got a really step back and say wait with this be a precedent director, US troops or Israelis or any any Western power that the ICC at the world which is dominated by non-Western powers we put on the countries of the world together the like.

Decisions of Saul holding my hand for a ready audience for TV audience are actually seeing a shot of it on the screen right now, the trial notebook that I used when we tried a case at the international criminal court in the Hague at the appeals chamber entitled the situation in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan where they were. The ICC was trying to go after US soldiers. Now the United States is Georgia nor Russia are member nor Ukraine are members of the Rome statute which governs jurisdiction that this attempt at universal jurisdiction. We think war crimes are being committed in Russia. Yes, we think the ICC just has easy general jurisdiction know the question is going to be you and can make referrals here and you been looking at this issue extensively said this cube offers her to talk to try cases of the ICC that wasn't by the first time over the Hague. That was our second or third time actually third time over bag second time in a proceeding so you know, believe me. And we know this is right.

They were to show one coming up in a in a live during the break here of some of that proceeding.

But this is tells you there's a lot of discussion about this. I want to be clear that we think what would Russ is doing, led by Vladimir Putin's is violating the spirit of the these international treaties, but getting jurisdiction is a totally different matter. That's right, you are getting jurisdiction is a totally different matter, and the office of the prosecutor of the international criminal court has said he is has dairies on the ground. Kareem Kohn, who is a Queens counselor who is the new prosecutor of succeeding the previous one. Of ensued and he is in the Ukraine, claiming that he has jurisdiction in the pretrial chamber to which the case has been referred because he can claim he has jurisdiction, but then in order to get the go-ahead, he's got to go to the pretrial chamber which consists of three judges at the international criminal court if they were you argued J and then they have to give him the authority to proceed further show some video of that argument.

While were doing as I may not be possible to Joseph. Here's an interesting issue that the UN can make a through the Security Council can make a direct referral to the criminal court and that is the video you're sitting right there is me before the international criminal Court in the Hague, wearing the robe in the what's a technically called a handkerchief and hit him.

Yeah, I mean it's a very formal proceedings and it was before, up, up, multi judge panel. As you can see an example for much of a star wars such as very futuristic, but is also potentially very dangerous and I say the ICC can do some good things, but they also can be very, very out of their lane. There is a procedure. This is never been done before this what our team looks at the stuff folks were the general assembly can recommend and the Security Council could vote a referral to the ICC directly to nonparties to the Rome statute basket with the Security Council, but Russia technically and eat without which we could veto this was the Security Council has to abstain.

That should abstain under the UN charter. This is you said J, the Security Council can issue a referral of a matter to the international criminal court. It needs a super majority, which is 9/15, and that none of the permanent members would be permitted to oppose it. If that was the case, but if you look at the UN chartered article 27 of the UN charter says that a party to a dispute shall, shall not may talk to but shall abstain from voting so that if there is an application or a motion for referrals from the Security Council to the international criminal court. Russia shall abstain and render the UN charter and not be able to exercise is veto which means folks, this was important to understand the scope and nature of the work that we got our Europeans, and upon justice has nongovernmental organization status. Yes, with the United Nations and were about to expand that were drastically in the next couple years. Yeah, that's right, I think, to what's important now that would be the role of China China abstain from the vote on the censure at the general assembly of right action is a big deal but it would be under tremendous pressure from Russia to try veto this and I could see a situation where China steps up and says no because they want to invade Taiwan and they want to take Taiwan whether they do that now or later than two years with its five years but like the idea of having that and they look very carefully and say well you know what this could happen to us so usually they abstain. A lot of times it'll take issue.

Maybe this the time they step up so I think that's why it to be very weary is not fair. These three-minute conversations on TV that like. That's why my report is not sweating about this as you can see he's got multiple options to get out of this by utilizing other players in the world. You might also want to go on adventurous style military actually since your interesting Ukraine is now challenging this is. I find fascinating.

Whether Russia should be on the Security Council at all because the breakup of it was they were put on the Security Council and when it was a different country that's the Soviet Union, it was the Union of Soviet Socialist republics and when that broke up in the 80s and 90s in the Russian Federation sort of exceeded or stepped into the shoes of the USSR and ascended to the USSR seed based on a decision made by the UN office of legal affairs and I wonder if they really have the authority to do that.

In any event Russia simply step into the shoes of the old USSR, Soviet Union, and J as you said Ukraine is challenging that decision is because the country that was given Peapod status was not Russia. It was the Union of Soviet republics, so this it raises seriously what were to look at rest assured that the ACLJR international affiliates are reviewing all of this I me I just want to say to that. Unfortunately when you get to this point were crimes that means the people been really hurt, killed, killed the kids the women and children hospital sub you don't. This is again were like Ron writing this but but what what it means. The ultimate if you could even get they could even get your stick should be zip and mass death of civilians total destruction of Ukraine likely Zielinski killed. I made in all his all the Ukrainian government leaders. They supposedly think there's a lot information both sides, but there are going to be Russia's planning for quick tribunals to execute all of the Ukraine current Ukrainian government that they can find once they take Townsend are starting to take towns that yes what I wanted to see clear talk real real fast. Russia continues on the path you're on right now.

Ukraine does exist. I know we talked a lot about the unbelievable resistance they haven't used anything yet, but some missiles they haven't got in and mass with 20,000 troops into a city with a start doing that and if they start doing that if they survived a pizza when you get to the point of the ICC getting involved in war crimes being committed you're talking about thousands if not hundreds of thousand people die complete destruction of a nation and their leaders so you really hope we don't get to this point. So the raw on TV of the side-by-side treats either Ukrainian resistance and also to prosecute war crimes doesn't go together. If you get prosecuted for crimes likely everybody type of Ukrainian resistance has been killed. So we don't want to get to that point, the world need to be working how to stop this now, not how to rely on international courts that have been weak at best and try to prosecute anybody of substance anywhere they been dying to try to find anyone and they've had a very if you look at history, the history of trouble hardly indicting anybody holding anyone a handful of people know that matter is becoming the topic of conversation with every deal and that listen you're talking to lawyers that did it.

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The cost of gas is going to go through the roof you looked at this what your assessment well I think the price of petroleum on the world market will explode irrespective of what we are now doing with Russia. Having said that, it's important to keep in mind that what we really need is to read claim US energy in dependence.

So, for instance, many people have suggested placing sanctions on Russian energy well that will work to some extent, but it's important to keep in mind that that provides a distinct economic advantage to China.

China has already negotiated a $15 per barrel discount with respect to Russian oil. Secondly, it's important to keep in mind that Europe is highly dependent on natural gas, and generally speaking, we can only help through liquefied net like not natural gas terminals and that is cumbersome and very very expensive so inseminate so many respects, it's important to keep in mind that going back to the Obama Biden administration, we have deliberately handicapped ourselves on the energy equation in dealing with Russia. This goes towards what you are saying that all of these issues are intertwined comes totally intertwined is not just a simple section energy sector on Russia because it's not as if John is knocking to do business with right and even microwaved to the swift sanctions were the two biggest banks. Russia don't use swift to to transfer money so I mean is that there's issue after issue. It's tough to lie that we heard a lot of tough talk subluxations abided by the oligarchs.

Especially because we have a special DOJ prevents five but when you director if you try to topple the Russian economy. You got it you got it you you gotta start talking about the futures future plans of our country right when it comes to oil safe to say were going to finish the Keystone XL to open it.

That's how you topple the Russian economy with the sanctions and and you know what to talk about cars and Roy Joe Biden is not going to be willing to do that because half his party at least has bought onto the green new deal and what Chip said was that they what they actually argue that they want the conflict there.

Utilizing this conflict punish Americans at the pump will also you know what we gotta go to these alternative forms energy some of were some of what I don't work and it's a lot of slot cost of some of these oligarchs are breaking off and pulling that which is interesting but here's the thing, the Department of Justice India set up a program enough that yesterday with her to target these oligarchs.

Now I'm thinking okay that means criminal proceedings brought against these oligarchs is that really a deterrent.

No, I don't think it is Jeremy.

Let's be realistic about it you think think of bringing a criminal action against one of these oligarchs, which means rule by the few in Greek and ran Russia is going to really deter anything from happening in terms of the price of oil, the price of gas, the price of wheat and things like that. I think the answer is decidedly not so Harry what to follow what Jordan said.

What does put Russia's economy in the kind of jeopardy. That would have a significant impact will first US energy independence would do that but it's important to keep in mind that there are so many barriers within the Biden administration so transportation Sec. Pete has suggested we don't want to do that why he claims this is a temporary solution to a long-term problem. So what we have is resistance against rational analysis within the Biden administration and we should also keep in mind. Another fact agricultural prices are rising on just as rapidly as petroleum prices and so if you look at wheat.

If you look at soybeans. If you look at palm oil. Both things have gone up almost 250% over the last three years and given that there's a conflict in the Ukraine and there are problems in Russia. Guess what, they may not plant those crops this season.

This is going to drive up prices even further in 2023. The planting season is coming up in the Ukraine and in Russia in the next eight weeks to get the lead in the ground or else is to be a crisis is not going to happen.

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