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Biden’s IRS Targeting Christians

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July 8, 2021 1:00 pm

Biden’s IRS Targeting Christians

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July 8, 2021 1:00 pm

Is the IRS back to its old tricks - targeting conservatives and Christian organizations, denying them tax-exempt status? In May this year, the IRS sent a letter from the IRS Exempt Organizations unit denying tax-exempt status to an organization called Christians Engaged. Christians Engaged is focused on educating and encouraging Christians to engage in their civic duties. The IRS stated, "The Bible teachings are typically affiliated with the [Republican] party and candidates. This disqualifies you from exemption under IRC Section 501(c)(3)." Yesterday, the IRS overturned their previous ruling after major backlash. We fought this exact kind of targeting for years and won a MAJOR victory in federal court. But it appears to be back. Clearly, the issue of IRS targeting doesn't start or stop with one group, and the ACLJ is filing a FOIA request to get to the bottom of the targeting of Christian and conservative groups by Biden's IRS. Jay, Jordan, and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss this topic and more today on Sekulow .

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Secure tricks targeting conservatives and Christian organizations are trying to deny the tax exempt status line from Washington DC questions right now: 1-800-684-3110 and now your this would occur. This was in May of this year so you get this very recent. The IRS sent a letter from the tax exempt department. Here it is for those you watching Facebook and periscope of the report up on the screen as well and what you first noticed is that this was a letter to Christians engage in organization applying for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status again. They do this voluntarily. They do this because they want to follow the rules they want to fault comply with the IRS. They want to follow the law and want to get the, the, the that that checkmark from the IRS that they are tax exempt organization in compliance with the IRS and the first legal notice. It's weird if you look closely, is that there's a legend that is created for this letter, which I see that other IRS letters.

This kind of state they created a B through him letter indexed and what you'll first notice is that the D stands for Republic D equals Republic that you think your letter would you keep saying oh, your group is like a D group for most people of all the politics. Obviously, you immediately would say Democrat LSU go back and see the ledger before it, but what they actually wrote the Iris's own words is shocking. In light of our victory back in 2017 against the IRS where the IRS consented never to do this again and I was wondering if we wanted this specifically if it says that specifically you educate believers on national issues that are central to their belief in the Bible the their word of God. This is used by the IRS. Specifically, you educate Crystal what the Bible says in areas where they can be instrumental, including the areas of life, biblical justice, freedom of speech, defense, and borders of immigration, the US and Israel relations supports Israel's volunteer Bible teachers are typically affiliated with the D party. If you go back to the again but let's go back to the front of the letter out. Check the legend, the D party means Republican R Republican and Ed candidates. This disqualifies you from exemption under section 501(c)(3) not qualify you engage in prohibited political campaign intervention and again this is because you're a substantial nonexempt private purposes for private interests of the deep part of the team. It says that the party they not only are wrong and by the way, the Iris is now reversed and said they should never have sent this letter in this denial sought appeal that this group was approved but even in its conclusion. The last two words are because your association with the D party trying to mislead the American people and by the way, in this letter equaled the word of God.

So that's how they that's how they put that in place, let me say this. We went to court in 2017 and obtained a permanent injunction declared for judgment against the internal revenue for doing exactly this, and as soon as the binder administration gets in with their head of tax-exempt organizations. They go right back to what they were doing before against the tea party groups in the pro-life groups they were targeting and fortunately are good friends at the Liberty Institute.Kelly Shackelford's group were able to represent this particular group and one is on appeal.

There's an internal appeal process limit table were doing because we went to federal court to obtain this victory. Let me table were doing. We are issuing a freedom of information act request. In the next several days and working to find out who came up with this legend. What other groups have been utilized or have been targeted by this type of approach with a legend like this who authorized it. How high up in the chain of the IRS did actually go working to get that information you have to go to court to fight auto over probably were not to let these administrative bureaucrats get away with this because what they're doing is reverting to their previous bad behavior which we have on paragraph 40 of the injunction, saying they will not do was wrong is what they said. That's when the fighting that justifies compensates we have to fight back. Usually, would one of these groups is targeted like this. There are others we write back the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we do. Simply would not occur without your generous take part in our matching challenge today make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms are most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice as tech. Is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally life support and publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist the ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life in many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/about the situation, which we actually wanted federal court and then another of our allies Kelly, Jack was repetitive and an organization called Christian engage in, and they have little use. This legend like Jordan said would be equal. Republican M equals the word of God. They deny their tax-exempt status stated getting the tax-exempt status on appeal, but what's important here is that it appears Harry that the IRS I will, yes, everything in this that the IRS is reverted to its previous bad behavior which was specifically prohibited by our injunction absolutely so it appears to me that the IRS pursuant to the Biden Obama Harris administration is up to its old tricks. It is trying to re-Institute failed policies that were essentially anti-unconstitutional and being in violation of the IRS's own consent decree. Essentially, the IRS is saying that the Bible is a political document. Essentially, the IRS is saying that it can capriciously avoid the constitutional rights of American citizens. The IRS is saying that it can capriciously void its own consent decree and so I think at the end of the day.

We should conclude that the IRS is up to its old tricks. Despite the fact that it reversed itself in this particular area carries areas right and we can't take anything for granted. I'm glad Kelly was able to get this reversed but and administratively. The fact is they did it and and what word I try to find out is your why they did it yet because it wise the IRS writing this.

For example, which is how they said since, for example, you educate believers on national issues that are central to their beliefs in the Bible is the inerrant word of God that should never be read by the Iris never ever made. The IRS should not be considering your faith, religious affiliation, the inerrant word of God. These kind of phrases should not be in a government, a federal government document. This is why we actually the theory that the government should be separated this out from church, yet the idea that Thomas Jefferson had. This is what you will note that it I can't imagine why the IRS thought they could even write those words to me fan week we got a get oversight back in play here me back when was the tea party case that we litigated on behalf of more than 40 groups. They were looking for words like liberty and tea party J this new legend that you and Jordan are talking about. This is the new be on the lookout list.

They just change the words they're looking for. Now they're looking for words like Republican and word of God NJ. They've added a secret code exhibit not so secret they put it right at the top of the letter and Weakens we can decipher it the same playbook object can we put this up on the screen but up our radio audience. Let me just tell you what it does.

So they lately I think you're really cute so they think safety equals Republicans, the Democrats about the sense your founder and President is a motivational public speaker, former D congressional candidate, political consultant and preacher of the gospel parcel. The fact that he's the preacher of the gospel.

What in the world does that have to do with whether he gets tax them status are not. Why would you think IRS that this was okay to put in their meat. This is what I don't understand what we have beat you in federal court. You signed a declaratory judgment saying you would never do it again now trigger try to get that changed this one will talk about that in the next segment but here's the document that's infant from federal court and it's all over this document it says you can't do what you just did the Iris admits that his treatment of the plaintiffs during the tax-exempt determination products, process business, including screening their applications based on their names or policy positions. Subjecting those applications lightens scrutiny and inordinate delays and demanding some of the plaintiffs information that the take that was Inspector General determined was unnecessary to the agency's determination of tax them status was wrong. Iris admitted herein are talking about you teach biblical values you are using the Bible as a moral guide you're asking peeps is in their letter. Folks pray for the nation regularly vote in every election to impact culture engage hearts and some of them in some form of political education directors at vision for the future of the nation strive to educate Christians on the importance of prayer that something you gotta watch out for, then voting and engagement in nonpartisan matters. The IRS is falling right back into its old bad habits but they are doing it on purpose.

Harry that's what bothers me or do I mean pain.

This was signed by the director of exempt organizations. This is the replacement for Lois Lerner. You would think G.

I don't want to be lowest. We have the lowest learner by what she takes but the minute I want to get that to remind everybody of what she went through that she had a good life. I was lured by the main advisor to do the same thing, but they were turned right back to it. Absolutely. So, the ghost of Lois Lerner is alive and well at the IRS and in addition, I would argue that on its face. The letter issued by the IRS, Dean nine tax-exempt status. In this particular case violates first the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. But secondly, it violates the establishment clause of the Second Amendment because what do we have here excessive government entanglement in religion and defining religion and the Supreme Court in Lemmon versus Kurtzman.

I realize that's an establishment case basically disallowed excessive government entanglement could still become well the IRS applied these same rules and same principles. If the organization happens to be an Islamic group are you kidding I know the answer to that and I think Nancy resigned away if they did they beat equally as wrong. Absolutely not, let me play Lois Lerner's mea culpa just remind everybody take a listen. I have not done anything wrong. I have not woken any lies. I have not violated any IRS rules and regulations and I have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee, I would very much like to answer the committee's questions today. I've been advised by my counsel to assert my constitutional right not to testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing, like the emails it between Lois Lerner and the FEC in the partner just say we can make one of these cases criminal we can really scare the scripts that make them effective so Lois Lerner's lawyers write a letter not testify. She kinda did their and take the Fifth Amendment you think this new guy would say you know I don't. Stephen Mark, I don't really want to go through Lois Lerner had to go through so were just gonna do it the way the court order says we are supposed to but they won't do it now and they're fighting now that the real D party, the Democrat party at the one that's referencing what I mean just that alone enough to make you Heidi's by the IRS, why it should be.

I still feel like it's an agency to be abolished. We should we should restructure what our tax purposes. We don't eat all his beard and right columns on correctly. Those offices all across the country to handle this with tech tech can do most of this, the filings have become easier because of tax changes. Anyways, most people filing very simple forms these days, but I about what you understand that they are trying fan to actually put into law the ability for the IRS to continue to do this. They want to legalize the IRS looking at religious background, how that that that may play politically.

Political ideology. It's all included want it and not the S1 and the voting bill but also the infrastructure bills import because that's what funds the IRS 80 billion new dollars is what the by administration wants but what is critical thing is that they want a reversal that Lerner ruled the lower sort of rule, so that the Iris can once again do exactly what they did this letter, but not have to go in on the appeal and reverse themselves actually stand by this letter asserted your near coming at it with multiple barrels you and your dad talked about this consent decree that we got. Which by the way, disagreed with was learning to consent to decree specifically found that the IRS had done something wrong.

Lois Lerner had done something wrong and that was what they signed the Jordan, the efforts that you're talking about that are happening on Capitol Hill.

The legislative ones I ever since 2018. There is been a prohibition on the IRS using dollars to do what Lois Lerner did the most recent version of it is found in section 122 of the financial services appropriations Bill Jordan S1 HR one, the bill the past the house and is being considered in the in the United States Senate right now it would repeal that prohibition. So it would specifically say that you are once again allowed under federal law to do the targeting that the IRS agreed not to do in that consent decree and coupled with that journey talked about asking for additional money they want another $80 billion inside the infrastructure package to get the IRS more power to collect taxes. Here's my suggestion for them. Jordan said, $80 billion. Why don't you take the personnel and the resources that you are using to again target to conservatives and use that to increase your collection power. Have a try that any folks that get this is very real and what were to do with the ACLJ again were glad that this would group to court they were able to handle it internally with the IRS. But if the irises got allege it did you know DB's Republic headed out to be the word of God that should never give me the IRS pledge word of God.

Who else got letters like this. Who is it. Is it happening yet again. This group is willing to fight back. Many people if the stuff the IRS learned very represented tea party say I do what you with a lawsuit against the IRS challenging the IRS will be right back only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition like it will show you how you are personally support publication includes a look at all major ACLJ related cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist the ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life side of the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is powering the right to question a free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom.

Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that.

We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift comes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ the work we simply would not occur without your generous take part in our matching challenge make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you today online ACLJ secular support here to point out is it weird we are to take action now on this because we believe it when you see this from the IRS. What we first have to do. Of course, is handle the wrong that we heartily brought deliveries to did a great job and that they have to go to court, we were able to have an administratively then you what you that you had to say okay happy other people getting letters like this. Is this becoming part of this a form for the IRS form letter where the discount plug-in the facts so is this code.

It was this the fact is if they created just for this group that that is dangerous because at least somebody is in tax-exempt who is looking at these groups and is say you're free Wade to come up with your own legends. I am never slightly ironic government agents extremely bureaucratic and supposed to because you're supposed to know the rules okay so should they be crating out their own legends outside an official IRS legends for what type terminology the Iris Copley, it's complicated.

So we had a very important we had. I worked as my first job out of law school very long time ago. 41 years was in chief counsel's office of the Internal Revenue Service. I was a trial or for Iris Iris with our client counsel on the treasury Iris point.

We had a book was about three vines that was called in IRM internal revenue manual. Nothing you wrote lessons in that manual. It wasn't going. So the question here is who authorized this this what I want to make sure our freedom of information act request. Who authorized this creation of election. How did this legend. How did how did this legend get approved, including the M for the word of God, deeper Republicans a G promise keepers who authorized putting in words like your founder and President as a motivational speaker, former D congressional candidate, which really means our political consultant and preacher of the gospel will authorize all this to go in your vice President motivational speaker woman President of F app is the Texas Eagle forum intercessor liquid intercessor in the IRS letter. Our founding fathers will be rolling over in their grave thinking that the government agency is doing this. But the irony of this was that the thing it's hard to understand is they are specifically told in the case captioned linchpins of liberty at all versus the United States of America case that we litigated for 3 1/2 years at the IRS and one that they can't do that but they do. They did it were to find out what detail they did it, but the fact is, they immediately reverted to the as I said the prior bad habits. Everything went right back to it. Absolutely.

So what we have here is a group of largely elite individuals who believe they hold the moral high ground and so they are morally superior to concentric rings.

They are morally superior to the Constitution. They are morally ceric superior to the common folk. And so they really don't care what the Supreme Court is saying they don't care what courts have said, and they don't even care about agreements that they have signed they have been licensed in my opinion, by the new administration by the Biden administration to enact policies which shrink the democratic and constitutional rights of American citizens and all American citizens should be up in arms and they should be engaged to defeat this power grab by the IRS and the Biden administration believe what I just shocked because they use the word in this is like today copy pasted from their application or some of the Iris is really using the word intercessor.

I would love to depose them and safe.

You don't even what was the definition of that life that is disqualified by the disqualifying your secretary describe as a conservative political thought leader at the back K what is K Collin County victory after the fact is, just because of these peoples associations previously with conservative politics or faith groups beginning tonight but here's that had the getting to that and I don't like the government using the word intercessor and official government documents. I like to be or not God Garrett coordinator yet that the list we held at home mom yet think about this for a moment, this is this is an IRS document. You know, I know that the Republicans are not in the majority fan in the Congress that you cannot get hearings on this, but I gotta tell you something I and we were getting the second half. I went on about how this relates to SR one HR one because they're trying to get it done legislatively but this really are members. The ranking member should be outraged on the stuff that's why the spoil absolutely J and the only reason this organization got the tax-exempt status along with the good work of the limiter in liberty and state as they got caught J the IRS got caught in Munich. We caught than the last time around. That's the only reason that they came around, and they've been caught again here here's my concern, though, Jake. We know this violated the consent decree. We know that it violated federal law were to find out who did it were to find out if they know that they knowingly violated the law. I suspect the answer to that is yes. But here's my big concern J we know from the last time around that. The fact pattern went something like this. First, there was one group that had a concern and then all of a sudden there were five and then all of a sudden we represented 40 groups and there were hundreds that had received letters to a J I'm concerned that this is the tip of the iceberg.

If this letter is being used one time how many groups how many conservatives are again being targeted by the IRS.

I remember how we found out last time that we did was to call us at 1-800-684-3110 that's a toll-free number into a radio broadcast. Are you getting harassed by the IRS.

Because of this concludes good activities like this are group should try to form and I remember what happened. It went from 1 to 40 in like in many more than that, but 40 that were willing to fight it out will do the same thing when 800-684-3110 if you want tacos, but would you make the irises up to here, and especially if you been targeted by this will take your calls or cabinets and tell you if you also notice@aclj.org/help. So if you're if you're not a place to write anything on the website and just note this because I are our suspicion is that this letter again in the creation of this legend that the words that were used in the targeting of the Christian faith and targeting of intercessor and inherent word of God, and the list goes on. At that either support for Israel. By the way, let's also disqualify that they support in any just about the disqualifiers at that. They talk about US and Israel relations which is not a disqualified offer for any organization. But let us know in ACLJ that are/help because it's the way we will know were also filed a FOIA, but how many other people are getting information like this in the IRS that similar that's that's using I mean it's clear deception to say that the deep DE has been highlighted thought that that is Dennis file yet the exec and when you play cute, you're probably doing something's wrong with you doing something is wrong as an IRS official invade. It may very well violate the law. Specifically, this letter does it try to rectify by then for to force this group to go to court. That's good, but we cannot allow the culture of the IRS to revert back to we could.

We can send the letter like this.

This is worse is your sister a denial and appeal right that they went through and put all this out. It's almost shocking that you actually get this from a federal government agency that's to be what is actually most shocking is that there is a moron is highly high-risk, who wrote this and put this together. This is this is how you what was learned has no career as people lost their jobs wants to find somewhere that land would take us looking for some of the quite obvious that she did have them take the fifth made the statement, got herself in so much trouble we speak the whole division lost her job people the good could even keep a commissioner in takes no time for them to revert to bad habits.

So you gotta be because this is this is who is rotted. These these positions and they think that they are currying favor with the incumbent partisan political party runs the government densely gotta fight back in exactly doing that now we are at NACLJ.or support our work matching challenge will be right back. Second, the American Center for all injustice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate, it will be managed $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in the one who knew protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms are most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online at NACLJ live from Washington DC secular life and secular secularity or phone calls to 164, 31, two people he knows is this happen to you specifically or to an organization that you want to start the to follow the rules follow the application process with the IRS and art.

Did you get back anything bizarre, talking about your your political beliefs. Israel foreign policy. Your religious beliefs in Raritan.

Yes, it was a disqualifier. One of the disqualifiers of this group is that one of the staff potential staff of this organization described themselves as someone who's intercessor which I get either the iris person knew what that was his right to exclude people who pray for others and print and that's it. The pray for others and or they don't know what the word means any like it's more it's more serious serious or somehow it ate. You know I was in my last yeah exactly. But this is I get out and play for people. This this flashback because you have to remember this was real Osler Lois Lerner Darrell ISA's congressional hearings. The back-and-forth take it, take a listen. In October 2010, you told a Duke University group and everyone is up in arms because they don't like it. The Federal election commission can't do anything about it. They want the IRS to fix the problem wanted to fix the problem caused by citizen United.

What exactly does that mean my counsel has advised me that I have not laid my constitutional rights under the Fifth Amendment and on his advice and will decline to answer any question on the subject matter of this hearing is Lerner in February 2014, Pres. Obama stated that there was not a smidgen of corruption in the IRS targeting Ms. Lerner, do you believe that there is not a smidgen of corruption in the IRS targeting of conservatives, on the advice of my counsel, I respectfully exercise my Fifth Amendment right and declined to answer that question so you're not going to tell us who wanted to fix the problem caused by citizens United, on the advice of my counsel, I respectfully exercise my Fifth Amendment right and declined to answer that question actually something here should right to exercise with member which if I was sure I would've said the same thing. Having said that, you think maybe the Internal Revenue Service. My old employer would've thought maybe it would been through this once with Lois Lerner and ended up in federal court and ended up with a consent order filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia and by the way in Ohio are companion case they pay about three or $4 million in damages.

You think maybe we would do this again is maybe not a good idea to start saying are your Christian group.

Your preacher of the gospel you're in intercessor your homeschool mom the fact that you would use a Jordan that at that's coming off the pen or the computer of an IRS exempt organization agent is really troubling 08. It is the most troubling that they have not learned that this is career ending for them. I think here.

Get this, this case was resolved without having to court but we also know that all we really have in in the darkness of the releases, the IRS, the head of tax exempt.

The new the new person who is the lowest letters choose that the court should be is how high up.

This goes the IRS was it that was it. The tax-exempt director. Was it right. Was it higher up was the Commissioner of the IRS and of course this is all the background that they want to change the law by administration wants to change the law to effectively allow the IRS to look at the group's political beliefs, religious beliefs and ideology they actually want to protect the IRS their agency directors tax-exempt division so that they can look at your ideology and what you believe in the judge whether or not you're worthy of IRS approval.

We coming right back on secular take your phone calls 164, 31 to about the hypermetric counts right now and we by way good calls coming in 800-684-3110 your experience with the IRS on this for your experience generally are out about all that energy for four 3110. We've authorized a brief information act case to begin on this year supported the ACLJ he just broadcast on the air allows us to do for cases allowed us to get the consent decree against the IRS with the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate will be managed $10 gift becomes 20 $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ the work we simply would not occur without your generous take part in our matching challenge today make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you and your family. You forgive today online ACLJ only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free hour for publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition like it will show you how you are personally support the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life in many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/600-684-3110. I was going to bury California online to a very welcome to secular you're the air.

I've been audited and used by the IRS seven consecutive years for my donations to Christian charities. Even though each audit has concluded and that I had not under paid my taxes by even one sent Lisa question very because I've heard this is susceptible for people. So was it one particular group you are donating to the you think was the kind of the target of this audit note which is your general contribution to Christian organizations correct in your dealing with the RMM development meeting and cross-examining her to looking at the IRS did when you raised this did they say the basis of our audit was because of these donations yes they did, and I let them why are they continuing to audit in May for the same thing that they have found that I had not under paid. They just I don't recall it was in a room with an auditor and it just it. This kind of we represent counsel noticed despite CPAs and events manager started representing myself. I'm currently going on.

As it stopped. Not I just finished the 10th one. It took about 1820 months to finish and it would only focus on selling was examined and only focus on the terrible contributions with others is on your remember looking at what I've noticed as they note, the Christian charity donations, and they list other items you want the exhaust trying to find any discrepancies in my dozen using the side using the donations is the trigger to commence the audit secure is what I can't give you general legal advice. Honestly, over the phone, but you really should get a lawyer and here's library at that point, and especially when you had note which consider Lisa, you don't even one more dime is considered a no change in a no change letter.

That point is harassment and there is an Inspector General's office to get inside the Internal Revenue Service.

Treasury and there's also an advocate office inside the IRS and I would get your CPA your lawyer to contact them. The here's the problem, Jordan, and this is the problem with all of this. What is it that's keying off these examinations. What is it about the berries case berries tax return that resulted in this idea that we can now look at him and then when you see the legend in this particular one. That liberty handled liveries to handle and we know in our case that we filed in federal court.

We do know it's been on the lookout below right which they want to put back in the Senate bills now. That's right everything and this is what what is key is that this and what berries talking about this harassment of individuals also organizations they want to legalize for the IRS to that legal cover protection in the green light to go ahead and look into people who apply for exempt status. Look at their ideology look into their faith look into their politics.

Look at look into that their personal connections.

Sure sounds like you're doing the same thing again during sound like they've got another keyword list other below. List whatever you want to call it. And just so people remember here's here's what happened after the 2010 elections. The IRS came up with that be on the lookout list that Jay is talking about basically keywords that if they were in your application, you know, words like liberty or tea party. Your application was flagged list.

It sounds to me like Jordan, he may have another list active look after our case after we represented more than 40 clients a couple of things happen number one. The consent decree that you have talked about a was signed by the IRS. They told a court they would never do this again.

I suspect they're doing it again number two Jordan, the Congress, the house and the Senate in 2018 passed a provision inside the financial services appropriations act that says the IRS cannot spend any money doing this kind of targeting essentially outline it in federal law Jordan that continue to pass every single year. The most recent version was section 122 of the 2021 financial services appropriation act that is federal law as it speaks as as it stands right now, however, the bill that passed out of the House of Representatives. HR one it's S1 in the United States Senate contains a provision it's it's kind of confusing to read but essentially it section 4501 of HR one and it says section 122 of that act is repealed. Jordan cut through all the legalese. What does that say it says that the IRS would be federally permitted to again have a Lois Lerner rule back to again have a beyond the lookout list to again have a keyword list you. It looks like Jordan. It looks like they're already implementing even had that bill passing and I was about to say exactly that within a way for Congress. Unlike the way the laws are supposed to be put in place now waiting for Congress, Harry, they're doing it now, absolutely, and I think fans intuition is absolutely correct.

The IRS has now put together a catalog of keywords with respect to flagging applications, notwithstanding a 2018 law which prevents them from targeting conservative organization, a consent order on top of that, and a consent order and so at the end of the day.

I think it comes back to this notion of moral superiority and if you look for instance at critical race theory, critical race theory is grounded in the notion that the proponents of this idea are morally superior to the rest of us. And so what has that led to it has led to the classifications of certain organizations and certain behaviors as a form of a hate crime. Essentially what the IRS is doing here effectively.

Whether they are doing it intentionally or not, is that they are classifying prayer and membership in a Christian organization as some type of a hate crime place and I think the American Republic and its unconstitutional.

It violates the law, it violates their own consent decree. But if you're morally superior, you keep on doing it guys.

I think what we what we see here from the IRS is very troubling and I think that that the again play around with these words, trying to be confusing a potentially list of the phones Amy in Tennessee on line 1 Amy Walker secularly on the air. Part question their weekly painting and effectively. In other words, how are they held accountable if they are engaged held the boat and stand outside of government overturning yet they are held accountable both internally and externally. Internally they have takes office, which is the Inspector General and the general in our case said that the IRS violated its own rules and regulations and violated law, then the external accountability is when groups like ours. This particular audit that was handled for this Christian's engagement with antibiotic colleagues of ours at Liberty Institute Kelly Chacon. They did a great job on getting this reversed.

We look at it now on a more global scale and say okay we we were the words and handle the consent decree and got the monetary judge by the banana. Amy was also a multimillion dollar judgment that came in place here and then we look at and find what I'm working on right now a a letter that's on the go to the IRS. Probably treasury probably chief counsel's office that says eight you got this legend on this letter you're talking about word of God you're talking about promise keepers you talk about intercessors you thought about prayer coordinators homeschool moms where is this coming from who authorizes where is it going, how many of these letters were sent out the other groups will know every group that received the letter like this and how was the determination made start using this legend which is Jordan said his is probably the most troubling aspect of this vignette, IRS agents typing on other computers, prayer intercessors prayer groups. D is in the Congressman which is really our Republican, we want to know all the answers to that. So that's how you ultimately hold them accountable but we had to go to federal court in two locations. One Washington cc the other in Ohio got damages out of their Ohio case and injunction read a consent order in the in the case in DC, but this of you know they they fell right back into it as soon as the new administration was in power.

It's amazing really yeah III give to me this is George Mike's out again. So what we were having a problem with that. When you get that fixed it would. Jordan was saying is the fact that their writing and out the fact that they are having you note the thought process going in to get this thing fixed.

We have to now go out specifically and deal with it. In other words, we have to now go to the IRS as a we know you did this. Why did you do it. How did you do it.

Who did you do it to who authorized it being done. We have a fixed mast on FX.

Okay, we can get it fixed during the breaks are about that folks.

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That's a such a limitation. Did they say in that letter what it is that they are interested in looking at words or just general list of things that they were pulling about my donation.

And then there were. Then they started going into other things that they started pulling up about the donations is focusing on this why we do this.

Radio broadcast is exactly what the tea party cases started getting these calls are they asking like about the donations. Are they asking you specifics buried directly. Three bright things on that and the actually reversed them out saying that these would not be allowed so they disqualified your charitable contributions did they skip and the reason why was what they said. These organizations do not meet the standard, something that occurred after Greg read the paperwork again. But I like to see that this is important. This is the second call now when in five minutes of this and this.

Unfortunately, what happens is it seems to be that the chairman contributions area are triggering the. The IRS audit of the course goes go with other things, which is what they do. While I think you're right. I think your intuition is spot on and I also think one of the fundamental problems at issue in these types of cases is that we have granted far too much bureaucratic power to individuals and they exercise that power in an arbitrary and capricious manner and there is insufficient oversight and so here you have the Biden administration demanding an additional $80 billion to be given to the IRS. I think at a minimum, we need to do before we give them any more money is to really educate the bureaucrats but also come up with a code or a standard by which these individuals who engage in misbehavior can indeed be punished. So I think that would be a welcome move W negativities information to follow up with him as well as I know that it's the wheel was that donated was what triggered it right and the date that those groups there say that those who still meet their standards and begin most these organization people would be donated to have been cut out of their infinitely they comply with the IRS there picking and choosing. It looks like you get a picking and choosing.

So this is all going to tax-exempt yeah that is that. But that is there. That's that's there that's their bread and butter that's their division that they love it if I want to reiterate to give them what to make his legal and they want to make it legal to target you because of your political ideology that will make it legal Jordan which also tells you that they know it's currently illegal. If the if you have to change it to make it legal. They know it's illegal. And yet they're doing it anyway II think it's fair to say based on circumstantial evidence at this point, but certainly the case that were talking about today that the IRS is once again Jordan targeting Americans based on their conservative viewpoint based on the religious views and not just want to quickly go back to something that Harry said he was very kind about it. He said that maybe it was inadvertent during that they've lost the benefit of the doubt in my mind on this because they did it so recently they got caught.

That's the only reason reason they acknowledge that they were doing something wrong and now they are at it again. I just do not believe it's it's inadvertent. This is intentional. They will call the absolute Richard California. All I what he Richard Walker secularly earlier God's blessing.

Thanks for taking my call. I was say that this gets awfully frustrating. I'm sure it's frustrating for you because you guys have already gone through this with the Obama administration. The thing is is I just don't think there's enough punishment. You never hear about any of these people going to jail. They usually get a raise and move to a different department you're going to say what happened. The IRS go ahead well or just a long list of people that in my opinion should be in jail, but you gotta bring a criminal case of Lois Lerner she exercise her constants and prisons under the Fifth Amendment to not incriminate yourself. I was a lawyer I would've had to do exactly the same thing. The Bible is not an admission of guilt.

It's just that you want to self incriminate yourself to people that are innocent and take the Fifth Amendment. However, the IRS did have to sign a consent decree. What they did was wrong to pay damages.

What they did that was wrong and the IRS internalized and we did all of their policies so they were held accountable. Here's where you're right. A new administration comes in and it literally takes nano seconds for them to fall right back into the old habits. That's the thing that I think Richard what you're saying here is so real. Yeah, absolutely everything in this is this is this is again it's agents inside this very specific division. They make it. That's where they make it easier for us is always coming on the taxes of division and whether the organization whether it's an individual to feel that they're being audited because there tax-exempt donations that they're putting on the other at their there in order to returns always this office, which is why we've said that this entire agency in Cape itself wrecking and it used politically.

The law should be going back and forth on where they can politically target someone or not. That's a GL BA in American Democrats promise keep the word of God, word of God.

Intercessory prayer preacher of the gospel. What is that doing in an Internal Revenue Service letter on the tax exempt division signed by the director of the tax exempt division minister signed by the director exempt organizations, rulings and agreements. This is this is the danger here is what we just been on the air on this we done two programs on this. We've already started getting calls of this is happening elsewhere. We had to appoint Freedom of information act request and you know what is happening elsewhere. I think I precisely hard. It's happening elsewhere.

I think that's precisely correct, but I also would go back to an earlier point and that is the IRS has engaged in an excessive entanglement with religion in violation of the Constitution.

That's the fundamental problem, but they believe that they are entitled to get away with it.

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