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March 10, 2021 12:00 pm

Democrats Launch Sneak Attack Against Conservative States.

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Grants launch a sneak attack against conservative states buried in the American rescue plan out of the house behind his desk today from Washington DC. Lines are open for your questions right now. one 806 843-110-1800 68412, your host peccadillo to secular your calls at one 800 684 31 two that's 100-3110 so buried into the $1.9 trillion American rescue plan, which is no longer about just covert anymore is a provision which comes right out and says that if you it explicitly bars states from cutting taxes here.read states quote shall not use the funds to either directly or indirectly offset a reduction in the net tax revenue.

The results for a change in law or regulation or administrative action interpretation during the covered.

That reduces any tax by providing a reduction in a rate rebate adduction a credit or otherwise, or delays the imposition of any tax or tax increase. So it's okay to do tax increases effect. You've got to keep those on track.

If you have any plan of this book in 2024. By the way, this covers way out is not for six months.

So what it says is you can raise taxes. However you'd like in your states. But if you accept any of these funds which the all states are going to have to do a what they like. This legislation, not because of the economic relief. It provides citizens that you cannot lower taxes in your state. During that time. During that time period is through 2024.

Another federal government has put but in the past these kind of restrictions on receiving federal funding.

Some have survived in court.

Others have not. I think the best example of one that survived is the 21 year age to buy alcohol. It was challenged and that was tied to the federal highway funds or the federal government argued was that in the ministration that was that this will we we could. We did the numbers we did the studies and younger people they they are more likely to drive intoxicated making the roads less safe for everyone, not just them and so it makes sense to tie a hot a raised age to purchase alcohol to receive these highway funds.

If you want to. It didn't for states to receive them in this bill doesn't force it either but I can imagine many states he can refuse any of this funding because it had that they needed to to some extent this is still time at again that small percent that is for covert relief which is very popular nationwide. It's you know than the other 75%, which has nothing to do with covert really, that's a nice number three. The other 90% but but I wanted to write to Harry Hudson here because here you think people hear this. I wanted to understand that their states are now going to be barred and they'll have to challenge in court from raising from lowering taxes if they accept any of these funds for the next three years. I think that's true subject to judicial interpretation and I think the law right now is not necessarily clear with the inference from my research suggests that there is indeed a basis for states to challenge of the federal attempt to coerce and control the taxation power of the states, so there seems to be a conflict posed by this particular legislation between the states interest in exercising its sovereign and essential ability to exercise its taxing power and perhaps the federal government's interest in fostering economic and political unity, and perhaps surviving the coronavirus. My interpretation is in my tuition is that the courts when they get a chance to rule on this will rule against the federal government but this will gives huge power to an un-elected individual Janet Yellin which I think it's outrageous.

Everything about that estate may receive these funds that you know what is this influx we move this text a little bit down here not resentment massive Texas could even benefit our state more but there barred from even thinking about that had a plan under what is going to pass the in the house and signed by Joe Biden will be right back.

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I assume there will be read states that immediately checks her challenge of this provision. I know for instance that then West Virginia is in the process of going to a no income tax, state this would prevent them from moving forward in there almost there. They got the votes that is working on the final piece of legislation to get it to the governor there to sign, but if they take any of these funds. I would assume that that plan gets thrown out the door. No one of these these small provisions. I get added in. Didn't get a lot of attention until people actually had time to read these giant pieces of legislation which now it in as Harry said, can be challenged in court and we we we feel like you could be successful here but it will take states like maybe West Virginia who was on track to do that. Stepping up, but members of Congress will join us.

The ACLJ to stand with those states who say you know what we can take these provisions and lower taxes and make life better for our citizens in a couple of things are done first.

Follow me take a step back and just reminder listeners. This is what happens when you go the reconciliation route rather than taking a bipartisan approach that was available because when this last-minute change was put in by Sen. Schumer during the region were only finding out about it now because he only had to clear through his side.

He did not have to get Republican votes and so you end up with changes like this that you find out after the bill is passed of the lucky I had this the sweeping ramifications of this Jordan organ to be breathtaking. You mention West Virginia and the income tax, but during think about all of the states that we been working with on school choice measures if they want to change their tax credit system to make sure that people I can get tax credits for making contributions for scholarships Jordan, that would be a significant change in their tax structure and in theory, depending on Jalan Janet Yellin interprets that's that could violate this provision and make them return funds under this bill. So the number of provisions that could could end up invoking this language are really breathtaking at work and be ready to challenge it will yeah I can envision Republican states, challenging and immediately or maybe moving forward with tax changes and then getting challenged themselves for Jordan Hardiman reaching out to members of Congress. There are members of Congress that want to take this on their gonna stand with us and whether it's a state presenting the Challenger, whether it's a state getting challenged. Our goal is to be to represent members about the house and the Senate and making sure that states preserve the right to set their tax structure, especially during think that this, if they want to reduce the tax burden on their citizens. The federal government can come in and say no you can't do that. Pretty breathtaking as a state tax burden to write a federal tax burden. That's up to Congress.

This is where the states have control and and I think that you brought fishing point is that there are states.

It may Artie be a process, maybe tomorrow, there can be passing something that lowers attacks here tax there that they would be then subject to legal challenge by the buying administration so we could be estate being challenged. It could be a state challenging will be ready as we Artie talked about was of Congress are ready to try get this provision basically struck down as unconstitutional because it doesn't directly tie enough into the this reports got a pretty long precedent when they can restrict states from taking action Harry, but the idea here is as idiotic what what is interesting how take your calls at 164 30 wanted to see a lot of the chats. People say well maybe states get it through right now, but I mean your timeout right now. This bill is about to be signed into law by by present by absolutely, and we don't know what all of the provisions of the law.

Indeed, might be civil law may apply. For instance, to any tax changes in 2021, which would then prevent or could prevent the state from changing its legislation, but I also want to know that the courts in general protect the government's power to tax by setting an extremely high threshold force striking down a tax as unconstitutional and so I think the Supreme Court would be highly skeptical of the federal government's interference with the state's power. Keep in mind that we have a federal system that grants the state sovereign power in many arenas and so I think this would be an area or domain of first impression of for the United States Supreme Court, but my intuition is that the Supreme Court would be skeptical because if Congress can get away with this Congress can effectively take over and eliminate states. So in other words, every state that then receives federal funds would become a tributary of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and I think that is inconsistent with my understanding of the Constitution and its inconsistent with the doctrine of federalism itself.

And so I think the American people should stand up. Also, congresspeople and governors and attorneys generals in various states should sue, but they should also go down to tracks.

In other words, they should go ahead challenge of the provision and they should consider in acting a reduction in their taxes to force the federal government to attempt to limit their funds. Frank is called in from Florida online one and you know folks share this with your friends and family through watching Facebook periscope YouTube because a lot of people have not yet keyed in on this provision, only the Wall Street Journal picked up on it and so were trying to explain this to you now that this legislation which can be voted on right now, signed by present, by no later than tomorrow which will bar your state from lowering any taxes up through 2024. Some it bars the that's what they're trying to do. We believe it can be challenged in court. That's what the law says. As it stands right now I want to go to Frank in Florida hey Frank, you're on secularization notice, taking my car to I was working against Clyburn yesterday about the year.

The bill and assigning to a fortnight out stimulus checks. Is there any update on how they can be applied or how to apply for them so so then those checks should go out automatically right based on people's tax returns.

That's right your needs can be very similar to the last time you got a check last time you essentially won't have to do anything and just hypothetically that bill passes the house today Pres. Biden signed it tomorrow. The expectation is that checks would literally start going out the door in a couple of days and probably be mostly finished by the end of the month Jordan, I would say that's a testament to the system that was put in place is really ready to go and just maybe give one more layer of detail to people I think is there's confusion, it's tax season right to people of file 2020.

Some people haven't though, those refunds will go out on the most recent of your tax filings. Whether it's 2019 or 2020. And if you're worried that you haven't filed your 2020 taxes yet and you had a reduction in income you would get that that reef are that stimulus check Jordan and when you filed your 2020 taxes. If you are eligible for more. You could then put that on your tax warning get it's okay either 2019 or 2020 make you eligible. I love Jackie's question on Facebook wise, the federal government overreaching the states rights of a Harry federal government, especially the Democrats for their control. There always looking away to overreach into states rights unless it's states abilities to set their own voting rules through HR one. They're trying to override states in even their AirTran over the state's ability to take actions there always looking at how they can take full power and they get rid of our system of government which really leaves most of the power to the states of that's what that's what I give it to the minutes about it. This is everything out here state power, police power, taxing power all these different things there always looking at ways to take that back. Absolutely in my intuition is that 90% of the Democratic Congress men and women have not even read the Constitution.

They don't understand the 10th amendment and they don't understand federalism. Also, I would suggest that they have engaged in willful blindness with respect to their understanding of the Constitution because they believe in the doctrine of living constitutionalism, which is you created as you go in order to advance Democrat and progressive and left-wing policies.

And so I think at the end of the day. They are quite willing. If they can prevail with this particular provision in the law then essentially the Democrats believe that their power will be unstoppable and they can basically eliminate states Adam we get back will take your phone call got a lot of lines are full right now but they always opened up 2000 684-3110 limitation were to be on this folks, as you said, ready to go to proactively target within look at how we can aid in the challenges to this single provision, whether that is a state that's being that's could be sued by the by administration or that is going to actively assume the bite administration over this restriction which we believe is unconstitutional and that's the kind of work we do at the ACLJ fighting back to protect your rights, and the idea federalism and the Constitution in our country with a matching challenge right now. Throughout the entire month of March. What is that mean that means that whatever you're able to donate to the ACLJ is effectively double because we have a group of donors ready to match every donation comes through the entire month of March to donate $20. It's a 40 $50 that's in 100 she really can double the impact of your donation.

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What can legislation this really is. That is going to be likely passing the house today and no later than tomorrow being signed by Pres. Joe Biden. We talked about this tax provision that was inserted in by Chuck Schumer.

That band states the receive any of these funds and lowering taxes during the period of time to receive the funds, and by the way, this is like one year. This goes out through 2024. So states ability to change their tax systems.

If that included any tax decreases were tax cuts they would be barred from doing so networking be ready to challenge that alongside states and courts or support states who are challenged by the bite administration.

Courts really working with members of Congress to do that but I did want take your phone calls right away.

People are. I think what I know a lot about what's going on here. Adam California line to Adam welcome the secular a good day of personal. I just want to say that I support with a corner so wholeheartedly. I think national treasure and very conservative person but thinking about this pragmatically, I think the federal government and believe me I don't support the majority working with built there will be pragmatic and they want to make sure that these are supplemental income supplemental funds for the states, not substitutionary. That or they don't want to give the state $1 billion that goes over and cut it back to the billion dollars because at that point that interstates really didn't need the funds from the federal government, and they could have done it on their own anyway. You know that maybe one of the problems is that something states can even utilize the funds areas gotten in it. We got hundreds of millions from the last time this was going sitting right in Washington DC didn't go out and make your point that you don't want to. It would be bad for the state to say we have this extra check coming in so really cut taxes and then worse at revenue than to be that I don't think that's that's not what states are going to try to do that when that's over this prohibit prohibitions about this is a prohibition that favors the blue states that raise taxes and disfavors red states that look at ways to reduce taxes that time an essay massive tax deductions but small reductions here small reductions. There if they are getting an economic boost that intent not to take away the entire supplement second meeting kata billion in taxes now because were getting $1 billion in but that we can start again because were getting the stimulus they were getting this boost we could.

We can make things a little bit easier of people I know spend more even more money. A river that they'll even get the lilies more and again to be up to the states to make that call Harry II think that there be smart about it, the can essay Rick cut out on everything, and I think it's to get it just is not allowing the states do with the states or job is which is to to make the best policy for their specific situation in their specific citizens.

I think your analysis is spot on. But it's also important to keep in mauling that essentially this bill is designed to prevent.

For instance, the state of Indiana from profiting from the fact that the state of Illinois has engaged for the last 20 to 40 years in profligate union pensions and other spending programs and so what the Democrats are afraid is that businesses will begin to flow to the state of Indiana.

The state of Oklahoma, etc. and so they don't want the state of Indiana or the state of Oklahoma to become more economically efficient. So what this bill is poised to do is to encourage economic inefficiency.

It's also a body off the floor or a payoff for labor unions and so labor unions in so-called blue states have long sought pension benefits and what has happened in many of those states is that many of the governors and the states officials have said to the unions. We will give you these great pension benefits so long as we you support office and drive the state toward bankruptcy. So I think this bill based on how it's constructed is perverse. It rewards economic inefficiency.

It rewards waste and it rewards labor union leaders as opposed to working women and men in the United States, and I think that's poisonous. It's toxic and it provides the wrong economic incentives yeah magic again, this is the second half hour. The broadcasters legislation now pending to get rid of the IRS's lowest letter rule which prevents the IRS from targeting groups through those be on the lookout list so there also trying to dismantle all the good work we did because there were groups of brave enough to stand up to the IRS takes in the court put in a room with the IRS. It said when it when I could do this to get this mass targeting based on the names of groups and I and by the way they sign that that side.

That decree was as if they get caught doing this you know that they're in serious trouble.

So there is legislation trying to unleash the IRS again to be able to go after conservative groups will talk to them bit about that as well.

See understeer and now it's an onslaught when they see the ability to get a $1.9 trillion spending bill through on the slimmest of margins they can keep their majority together for right now regardless of what happens the next midterm election there to try to do things like removing those barriers to the IRS from targeting conservatives back again here we are back again.

They know the power of conservative organizations that should matter if the groups are powerful because they raise funds legally through their donors. They should be targeted by the IRS and an end and specified out through the below list.

Remember that word is coming back retired but that the second half hour. That is, legislation has been introduced. There is a lot that were meant to fight back on here. I know this tax issue is big and a lot of you are hanging on the line to talk about that.

I'll take one more.

The cause for going to the next break.

Let let's go to let in Alabama on line 6 went welcome to secular program and get wiped out that not about being right lower lobe state legislatures are looking at. They might give tax incentives to out to a new business.

They wanted track to the stately. Maybe it's a new car car plant in Alabama. Scott those she might give a tax incentive there that would be a 10 or so that would be included nearly use that word or or new deduction.

It may be a property tax decrease because that area at the property values gone down so you don't need to pay the same Pentax also could be the income tax level. So for instance Alouette West Virginia right now is looking to become one of those states like Tennessee and Florida and Texas. It's a no income tax. State that means it usually lowers they take out the state income tax they do raise some other taxes and sales taxes. Sometimes property taxes and a mix. This would bar them from being creative governance that they are intended to be.

That is what states are intended to have the ability to do to be creative to put their citizens the best economic place and this takes half of that out says no you can't hit to a no income tax. They give the you might be raising some other taxes because you be cutting out the income tax that's just that's doesn't seem right. Seems unconstitutional. It's even something of course we will be challenging in court at focusing the ACLJ now more than ever support our work that MetroGel is not doubly impacted donation@aclj.org will be right back at the American several injustices were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate, it will be now $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in the work we do. Protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow and now your post Jordan secular back to secular so I want to start right away so you got this provision within which exploit people so what was put in by Chuck Schumer here was that because reconciliation prevents states under this $1.9 trillion American rescue plan, which is ninth less than 9% actually has anything to do with covert relief. That's a very small part of it and people want that relief, understand why they needed to be great if that was what all this bill was, but it's not.

It's that it's a giant liberal Bernie Sanders prep praises the most progressive ever piece of legislation move forward and part of that is because they're saying, you know, if you take any of these funds can't lower your taxes, no deductions, no offshoot, no rebates, nothing.

If you take in these funds and were to get a lot of this in these bills during this is gonna be the standard operating procedure for the left in Washington DC but I also just love our callers. Jordan both Adam and Lou wet day but basically touched on the two main concerns that I have with this provision and just to speak to Adam's question for just a minute Jordan, I would think the very first thing that you would want to state who is behaved responsibly, who has a budget that is not upside down. If they were to get funds under a covert stimulus bill, I would think the first thing that you would want them to do is to pass that stimulus along to their citizens and in the form of a tax cut. I would think that you wouldn't want to mandate extra spending and yet this provision would prohibit them from doing that and then to Blewett's question. You know I and she I think she asked the right question will win. Does this happen when this a state tax revenue actually decreased because that's what the language says Jordan. Anytime there's a tax revenue decrease was not just when they cut your income tax. It's also when they adjust your tax credits are your tax incentives and again I'm in a circle back to the school choice issue during this is something you have pushed for very hard if we were to successfully convince states that they want to change their tax structure to actually incentivize individuals or businesses to actually get to scholarship funds to give parents a choice where their kids go to school and estate wants to give them a tax credit for that, Jordan, that would be an example of with this Schumer language would outlaw it would make them not able to do that unless they were to return the responses are two terrible terrible outcomes offer this language in it and the third thing of this mention really quickly. Even if you disagree with me on both of those points. Even if you think that estate gets the stimulus fund they should be forced to spend it on spending measures. Jordan I would think that would only last through the pandemic. It's 20, 21, right now, this prohibition runs through 2024. This is nothing less than Washington DC trying to control for the next four years. Tax policy across the states and I'll just tell you this is the tip of the iceberg. If this kind of power is allowed to shift to Washington DC during their gonna leverage it for something else next to me this this is what makes Eric listen to Sen. Tim Scott and Fosters is talking about the face legislation. It just it's shocking how little this has to do with covert relief which is the purpose we were of the American people were sold on things like the support for it is so high because that's what people think this is about. It's not one person is Bill Troy 1% goes to vaccines less than 10% goes to covert relief.

In other words, as Bernie Sanders said this is the most progressive piece of legislation to pass the Senate since he's been a senator that says a lot when you make Bernie Sanders blush over progressive policies coming to Scott's exempt right are you talking about less than 1% going to actual vaccines less than 2% about covert relief. That's how was sold to the American people and I think here it's one of the situation only if it saves is that they are they are going to they were sold a raw the bad deal and they're going to start finding out about it in this this prohibition on states being lower taxes up up until 2024.

If they touch any of these funds is just one of those examples absolutely. And so, according to Nancy Pelosi.

We have to pass will in order to find out what in the bill, but when we actually examine the bill.

We will find that it is driven with deception all the way down right folks, we are to take phone calls, one 800 684 31 to work against this IRS issue as well because Congress Democrat congressional Democrats want to unleash the IRS to come after conservatives yet again. We are to talk about that. No kidding here. This legislation put Ford stay with us on second the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in commerce. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that.

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Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we do. Simply would not occur without your generous support in our matching challenge today make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you. You forgive today online ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in your motion ministry and what Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to question your free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/to figure because on the $1.9 trillion spending bill.

The American rescue act, which we believe will pass through the house today then be signed no later into law. Then tomorrow by present by by doing alert you to what's going on with the eye. This IRS then we got legislation being pushed by congressional liberal Democrats to basically revoke the gains we made in court against the IRS to prevent them from putting together things like be on the lookout list below list that would prevent the, the, the mass targeting of a specific kind of groups of conservative group by looking at groups at all. They got liberty in their name tea party in their name, whatever that may be going down the road they want to remove again. It want to re-empower the IRS under by the administration to go after conservative organizations without fear because we've put the fear into that those that tax exempt division because they know they can get the serious trouble if we find out that they're doing it for partisan reasons which most the time they had in the past they were you during this provision is hidden in a bill that were to be coming back to you time and time again on absolutely convinced of it into HR one the highest priority for Speaker Pelosi's House of Representatives adorned in the bill as a whole essentially amounts to a DC takeover of state control of elections and so many of the issues that we saw on the 2020 election. It would actually enshrine them into federal law and enforce other states who didn't use in the 2020 election to use them. Going forward to Jordan.

This is just one example of one of the most egregious provisions in this bill and like you said, it speaks so close to our heart because we've seen this play out. We saw the tea party groups targeted targeted by this below listed Lois Lerner created a be on the lookout list for certain types of groups based on certain viewpoint date they harass, they targeted and they kept on the sideline.

Many of those groups in sojourn. Essentially we won and Congress passed a prohibition. After that scandal, saying the IRS may not ever do this again. They may never use things like above the list at the target groups based on their viewpoint. This bill Jordan HR one takes that prohibition in state and in federal statute and repeals it so it says no, that prohibition was passed after the scandal it stripped out of federal law and the IRS. Jordan would once again be free to develop these viewpoint discrimination policies and regulations and to target certain individuals and luck. I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count on who would be targeted, it would be conservatives again every single time and HR one I would repeal that rule known as the Lewis mineral Creek so they get it is it's already there in place. In its place because the worker American civil on justice and because is groups we represented stood up to the iris stood up to the US government. The Obama administration and the wrong was right up that's waived, what they're always looking at ways to somehow depoliticize the IRS to use it as a political weapon which is the worst of the worst of the US governments like the FBI being used that way intelligence being is that where Department of Justice being used that way the IRS hits at the core of all Americans because we all have to deal with it. Whether it's the individual income tax your small business owner etc. etc. it's something it's part of all of our lives and we should. You might not like paying taxes might not be pleasant but you should have to fear that the iris is coming after you or your organization because of its political views and right now that's the law as it stands, but but they want to get away to do away with any the safeguards we are able to put in place so understand really watching that very carefully listen to what Mike Lee severely from you tied to say about HR one as a whole.

Take a listen by think I disagree with every single word in HR one, including the words of thought and everything about this bill is brought to the court not then this one is going to have a bit tougher time getting through right at me that this is, this cannot be used reconciliation right so this or could it be, well, it can't technically especially since you only get one crack at the reconciliation Apple, so to speak per year and they're using that right now in covert stimulus, but you're not when only issue a warning on that front. I know Joe mansion has said in no with no equivocation that he's against the repeal of the filibuster to Jordan and her in the last week he said well I might be open to some reform make a lot more difficult to use. I don't trust him on this Jordan so so I I think the United States Senate could change the rules and try to move it with 50 votes, but will meet maybe just say this I I so agree with Sen. Lees a comment on this because these are difficult provisions to define look the Lois Lerner rule that we talked about Jordan. Here's what that legislative language says money I just read it and see if our listeners would know what this means when they say that legislative language in section 4501 of the bill and it says section 122 of the financial services and Gen. Government appropriations act of 2021 division E of Public Law 116 – 260 is hereby repealed Jordan at everybody listening to us would read that and would not know what that means. So Mike Lee is correct when he says even the butts and the ants in the does in this bill are dangerous. This is the last one working to find Jordan, but it certainly a critical one right so they don't tell you what that provision is that his status put it out there and you gotta find and we found it immediately because were on the watch for this. This is the kindest of the pudding and Joe Biden wants this legislation arena here use.

He wants to cease pushing this artist to be a second major legislative victory, and yet another federal takeover of the state's ability to set election law and also the protections we've gotten at the federal level to stop the targeting of Americans because of their political views. That's why too dangerous to me that these are massive pieces of legislation passing on the margins without people who without groups like us, you know, ready to fight because we fought for those protections. This gets through. Would you say repealed, absolutely so the ACL. Jerry has fought hard for rural election integrity and election security HR one is designed to eliminate election integrity and election security unless the integrity and security favors Democrats. So basically if you look at the law carefully. It is designed to encourage fraud.

The law is designed to encourage individuals who are not citizens and to allow them to vote.

The law is designed to prevent adjudication of disputes over whether or not a voter has the right to vote in a particular election and, in addition to all of that, of course, it is designed to abrogate the constitutional rights of states to control and regulate their elections so the law provides for an increase in absentee or mailing votes. The law provides for increased access to mailboxes and Cerro theoretically consistent with this law I could put a mailbox outside of my house asked people to vote and the mailbox is not monitored. I could go in and take out votes that I don't like this makes no sense unless we live in a world of make believe and unfortunately that's were progresses live absolutely. I'm screaming about people but hold on now Paul if she questioned at Idaho online. Five a. Paul Logan Sekulow Paul you there are the cycle it will go check back in with Paul and make sure he's got his phone on, let's go to Judy in Colorado line to hate Judy every day we wake up going where know… That they can't lower their new and why they we want a portion of all the other thing that you're getting away hard program. Whatever the case, 250,250,000,000 to this arts program and this and that, museums whatever and and right but here's what here's what here's what I think is happening fan is that they know that they may have a limited time in power.

I mean it could be over in 2022 with the midterm elections and so often times we see we saw with Obama care hundred under Pres. Obama. The receipt through the stimulus and HR one will those be the two kind of main piece of legislation that it of course, immigration gets tossed back because they love having as real political issues the executive actions don't actually stay in place they can keep its political issue, but they they will they will put it on the line for this, knowing that they may not have the power to get anything through it a couple years. People usually ran. I artist and legislation it incurs in and invigorates Republicans and it kind of depresses the Democrat vote because even some of them don't like these lost yet. I think they know that Jordan increases the likelihood they lose control of the chambers but they're willing to try to throw everything up against the wall anyway and look at Judy's question actually illustrates this probably as well as just about anything. I mean this this is a bailout will to say.

Clearly Jordan is a bailout for blue failed states.

You haven't been able to manage their budgets and they want to prevent red states who have actually handled their budgets well from actually benefiting their people because what would happen Jordan.

If the red states take this bailout money and actually further reduce tax revenue. Guess what happened, people would leave blue states they would move to red states they would enjoy the lower tax threshold and guess what happened to those people voting pattern. I think you can guess that the filtering to take your phone calls final segment coming up three lines are open to Carol Georgia and Scott first be on the show with us as well. 1-800-684-3110 2064 3110 liver margins and matching calendar month, double the impact your donation report noted Ray to match every donation comes into the ACL for the month of March. Need a silty now more than ever.

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The $600 and they sent mine in them male but he didn't get his and he went to the computer to try to get the number and I was taken off of there so we don't know what to do next to resources for exercise or call up about what steps you can take some family leave Skywalker for Carol what she can do now husband can do. Sure, the first thing you can always do is check it. IRS.gov. It sounds like Carol and her husband have already done that. So that's a good first start of your and I would really encourage them to consult with a tax professional. Because technically I don't get to in the weeds here but technically all of these stimulus checks were actually refundable tax credits that were actually advanced use of the resent to you in advance and you report them on your taxes but then also take them out so you don't get tax. That's that sounds very confusing Jordan, but essentially what that means is if you did not get that check your tax professional should be able to help you actually claim that.

When you file your taxes for 2020, or if you've already filed and for 2020. You could either amended or filed next year. But if you did not get the check. You should be able to claim it on your taxes. We file this year so there you go care.

I hope that answers other question provided some help in direction where to go, let's go back to the phones this issue in a Georgia in North Carolina online. Three a Georgia welcome secular earlier regarding the $10,200 that the government is going to take off the unemployment income yet and what you're saying. It sounds like Amy and from also giving the taxes since the hearing, the federal government is giving relief on an unemployment received the state wanted to say okay we want to do that as well that might be violating this provision, absolutely. So one of the great things about this bill and I mean that ironically is it was poorly thought out and so here you have the state saying well were going to follow federal policy and we are going to give a tax credit. For instance on unemployment but by doing so, they violate another provision in the bill of which, theoretically at least, prevents them from doing so and so I think the caller has made a very important and brilliant observation that this change in the legislation is makes no sense at the end of the day. I think at the end of the day, the state should be able to control its own taxing power, but what the federal government is saying is if the state currently taxes these unemployment benefits then you will have to pay a tax, even though you can get a federal income tax credit that's inconsistent and it makes no sense. They gumming a member having caused or that right away. This is that the experts do that. They're pointing out the inconsistencies that hypocrisy of this legislation want to go to Scott in Missouri online for back the IRS issue that we have to be watching this legislation moving hey Scott, welcome secular regular remote pleasure to be with you.

I am the executive director of Liberty at night by launching for advocacy group whose first claim to fame was being on the lower floor noted tactless back in 2010 amendment that really is just we were part of the class action suit in California, one against the IRS but the more important point that I wanted to bring up as we talk about state sovereignty and all. But there's an issue that I have never discussed and I think is crucially important today, particularly in our form of federalism and the 14th amendment which says we are citizens of the amount of state and citizens of our respective state. Basically what that says is the state of the federal government have the right to protect US citizens from states that have gone rogue. But in our case it's a lot more important in the states also have the obligation to protect their citizens from the federal monthly 6.what you see you see saw. That's you were able to fight back against the IRS and we we fought back. We won because it was in violation of your constitutional rights. States are going to do that here that not every state. Unfortunately, every several in the blue states have quite a problem with this and like cutting taxes. Anyways, they always want to raise taxes so but I think what we see here fan is that we will be of the vessel to assist in those states who want to fight back against this overreach by saying hey if you're taking these funds which all 50 states will through somewhere out other, whether it's going directly their citizens, businesses, or the state itself through this American rescue plan which is horrendous that were to be there to help fight yeah I think you see two things Jordan.

First of all I think you can see probably a state or multiple states challenge this out right. I think you'll probably see other states. Just ignore it and do what they know is within their purview to do and go ahead and make tax adjustments as is their right to do and then they will wait to be challenged in the be more than happy to defend themselves in court and either either route there.

Jordan organist stand ready to defend those state actions were to do it by getting federal officials from those states to make the point that it's actually there state that has the right to to add to not comply with the provision that was passed on the federal level. Most of those members, probably Jordan would've would have voted against it, but either way it's a great way we can work with federal officials to defend the rights of states, no matter how that challenges of working itself up tragic calls called back in an online six in Idaho, a Paul Logan Sekulow got about a minute here spelling to get you back at yeah obviously the Democrat there captured state and their regressive platform.

Can it be audited when the money is given to the Democrats or the state itself. Can you find out somehow through auditing where the money went.

Some states have state auditors or something differs like my good friends who is the elected statewide official in West Virginia JB because he is the state auditor. They built this very then the most strict West Virginia is now the most transparent state in the country to conceal all the government money is used, but of course that's a state that stringing red he's a Republican elected official statewide that so yes, in some states, you will be a time of these blue states where they don't like you see them on Monday I met it's can be Harry B state to state on whether or not they have those people in place and and how easy it is to use the systems West Virginia.

It's very easy to see. They made it user-friendly in other states they make it very not user-friendly. I guess the best way to say I think your analysis is spot on in blue states.

They are expert at doing one thing. Budging the norm numbers and so it will be extremely difficult for individual citizens to learn where the money actually went more likely than not it went to union leaders and their pet projects frightful sort of you watching that legislation about trying to reverse Lois Lerner rolling back the legislation, which is included in HR one this provision, which is just a quick line one repeal of that you see those below us back to fight back the states of this tax issue why we need a ACLJ now more than ever we need your support doubly impactor donation are met month of March. Donate online@aclj.org we are fighting for you. Talk you tomorrow. The American civil injustice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate, it will be now $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in the world protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms are most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ


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