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BREAKING: Pelosi to Deliver Impeachment Article to Senate on Monday

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January 22, 2021 12:00 pm

BREAKING: Pelosi to Deliver Impeachment Article to Senate on Monday.

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Today on secular radio Nancy Pelosi says she will deliver the article of impeachment to the U.S. Senate on Monday. When will the trial begin. That's the big question will talk about that today on secular radio Washington DC Jay Sekulow phone lines or your questions right now: 1-800-684-3110 1-800-684-3110 and now your post secular Jay Sekulow we give you very very breaking news, and that is Nancy Pelosi is nothing that they will deliver the articles of impeachment on Monday. Now traditional traditional end of the rules to modify them. That would mean that the proceedings would start at 1 o'clock the next day, but they haven't even done brief responses yet, so I've got some ideas as to how that is going to play out timewise what what are you hearing fan edges of the articles are to be delivered on Monday. Chuck Schumer delivered that announcement on the floor of the Senate this morning are your right. If nothing were to be reached. If no deal were to be to reach they would begin proceedings.

The next day at 1 o'clock but J I'm with you. I actually think they're pretty close to reaching an agreement here leader McConnell had actually sent of a proposal to leader Schumer outlining his proposed schedule would not go all the way through, but essentially he wanted the first step to take place on Thursday. I think both the Democrats and the Republicans and quite frankly a President from steam as well. I think they're all pretty close on this day. You definitely have to give the President time to prepare defense.

I actually think the Democrats in the Senate might want to couple days do a couple more nominations. So I think they will reach an agreement here can't tell you exactly when the beginning of that will be but I do think will be next week. J while I don't think the proceedings are to start next week I'll think of me on the floor. The Senate next week that like I guess it depends what you consider on the floor. The signage arguing the arguments in the trial actually getting have to file briefs. {I think you're probably I think it probable that it's going to be mid mid February or early February, which is not that far away any. For this to start is based on what has to happen that would be appropriate. It would seem to me also. You got to give the time for the present repair defense and although the Senate doesn't have to give anybody due process. I think in impeachment trials is reasonable to allow him to prepare defense to what is article of impeachment and I think the timeframe that you've set forth.

J is reasonable and appropriate not to be followed in offenders that you could tell there is a lot of angst among Republicans and Democrats about really starting this I mean you could use it in the comments is seen in the hedging. This is not a unity start and the President can end up being acquitted.

So the whole thing is again a political show and granted the house has the authority to do it in the center has an obligation to hear it. Of course I could do a motion to dismiss with the Senate this closely but I don't think that's likely doesn't mean don't bring it by the way, but I think it's it's it's very possible that is made the lawyer Butch Bowers from South Carolina is very well known lawyer in election law matters is good to be trying the case on the floor the Senate and doing the work before, but I it's not to be very different than the person you saw me and Andy and Jordan in a year ago which went on for almost 3 weeks, 12 and 13 hours a day. I don't see that in this one.

This is a a one count issue we had separation of powers issues we had. We had a whole host of issues that that just don't exist here yet. You look very different. To be honest with you J some of that angst, even though it's not spelling out in public has spread to the Democrat side of the aisle because of how this is rolled out Outlook II suspect all fall in line behind leader Schumer in whatever arrangement comes out here but but you're right. I mean, I think. I think maybe a couple weeks ago there might've been some bipartisan interest in pursuing this in a sober manner. That's not where were at J that hasn't been rolled out this way and I think you're right to describe their it is bipartisan angst for how is proceeding to look here we go. They articles will be delivered on Monday.

Yet later in the broadcast. We joined by Rick Cornell or Senior advisor in international affairs because within time of this right man situation. The President is going to appoint Rob Malley to direct Iran policy. He is very sympathetic to the Iranian regime has an animus towards Israel is already an issue with the Israeli ambassadors. Twitter account will talk about all that in the second half are but one looking is coming. Also take your calls on the impeachment issue 1-800-684-3110. That's 800-684-3110. Don't forget work of the ACLJ and ACLJ.org challenges facing America is freedom's or constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice on the frontlines projecting your freedoms defending your rights in courts in Congress and the public exceptional track record of success.

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And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn will show you how you are personally publication includes all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the Obama care me in many ways your membership is powering the right question for mission life today online/significant as we were talking about another present is not even an office right now, but never the less there is one of the big issues involved in this is what you could actually impeach a President was no longer in office when I read the Constitution. You can't other scholarship on both sides and there's a lot of scholarships that you can their scholarship thing. You can't.

It's interesting that Prof. Dershowitz Dershowitz, Prof. Mike, including former US court of appeals is for the Fourth Circuit and now Prof. John you are from University California law school at Berkeley have all come to the same conclusion that I come to that is that it is not constitutional to proceed. This way let's take a listen to what John, you had to say about that on Fox news last night show trial embarrassing for the Senate to worsen anything contrary to constitutional text which seems only to extend impeachment to the President and vice President. Officers of the United States doesn't say former officers, former Presidents, so you have read literally K-12 cases and I don't think this can ever get the court. I really do not know this.

I don't think the court would take this case and so it's because the power of impeachment rest with the Senate. The scholarship is both way but if you're looking to contemporary scholars. It seems to be more tilted towards makes no sense to impeach a former President that's true, and the significant part of it is removal removal from office with images.

First of all sent your first point this of the Supreme Court to those who might be interested are is not going to take a part in this thing in United States versus Nixon. It specifically said the judiciary, and in particular the Supreme Court is not does not have any involvement, impeachment proceedings, so those of you are looking for action there. That's not can happen. The scholarship was and I've read law review article after law review article. There are no cases that I have read.

I have read cases.

Yes I have read instances of impeachment Secretary of War Belknap and so forth. It seemed that the earlier scholarship seem to suggest that you could. Following the English system impeach after someone has left office with the recent more recent scholarship that I have seen, and that includes Prof. Dershowitz Dershowitz excuse me and send a professor you due to the tension you call me the other night last night is that once you have left office. You are no longer subject impeachment trial because you're not incumbent, and the remedy for impeachment is removal from office to do other things, and to try to mark a person with some sort of pain.

Subsequent to that and permanent disqualification. The current scholarship seems to suggest is the granting of a bill of attainder, which is attained on the person and his family and his parentage and his heritage, which was loathed and objected to and opposed to by the framers of the Constitution. It was interesting because John you also talked about the fact that the reason it makes no sense with a former President is in the ability and they cause a lot of people are tab of those on the better. Saying you can try the former President including former members of the federal society so it's all over the lot here folks, what they're saying is because you have this removal and then also the possibility of not borrowing from office. John you had a very interesting answer that. Take a lesson impeachment. The remedy is just to remove someone from office maybe disqualify them. Present terms already been removed from office and the American people can disqualify them for future office just by never voting form again. I think the better course more prudent course for the sun is not to break traditions and try a President for the first former present for the first time I had in our history and undermine the independence of the executive branch it's it's interesting because he said the words. I think the better the more prudent course for the Senate is not to break tradition and try upon the President during your thoughts. Listen this is going to be very divisive and if you heard the comments from Sen. Lindsey Graham. There seems to be building support amongst the Republican caucus in the U.S. Senate. Regardless of how you feel about these remarks on January 6. This is not where the Senate should go. The Senate should not go forward with a trial of a former President and not set a precedent like that so I think you got a twofold kind of approach to getting the acquittal votes and one of those is actually about to just dismiss this and there might be some of the Democrat side we would only take one if all Republicans joined. I add to dismiss this without a trial. But if it does go to trial. I think what you're starting to see is Republicans who totally opposes and think this is just wrong because is not an impeachable offense and it's ridiculous and in the event Republicans who may have voted to impeachment still think this is a constitutional crisis that they don't want to create to create a new precedent. So with that I think it becomes very difficult for the Democrats to get to 70 yet. I don't see any way in which they get there, but the interesting thing to me is going to put Jordan's eyeballs but John, you said and that is I think the better course. He said the more prudent course for the Senate is not to break traditions and try a President Wes you touched on that yesterday. The Constitution is pretty clear that impeachment.

The results of impeachment are removal from office, and disqualification which are two separate votes in the Senate, not removal from office, or disqualification, said that there really trying to do something that and I'm not a legal scholar but seems to really violate the plain meaning of the Constitution. It certainly violates tradition and pragmatism and not only that, as you said earlier, there is no way in the world that this Senate is going to vote to convict the President so that means without a conviction they can't disqualify him from running again And in the meantime they in spite of Biden's calls for unity. This is completely divides the American people in a way that is completely unnecessary, but it is no doubt it divides. I mean, but it also says that the part of Jordan and answer this visit. This is the part that makes no sense to me if they want the President for the present present from caliphate into the history, why would you provide a photo opportunity that ultimately and we look at everybody in our studio and I'm looking at and I'm looking at been in Washington and look at everybody that's watching us and listening to us from the country. You know what is going to do.

It's going to be an acquittal in the front page of the New York Times going to say just what were the Washington Post trump acquitted again and hold it up and Mara Lago either to take pictures in the front page of every paper. Why in the world. Politically, would you do that Jordan.

I think they rushed in the house and they thought they could rush through this in the house and and then get to the Senate and there would still be at least tempers and the problem was when they rushed into the house and the house managers they chose and the partisan language they use during the two hours they had a past debate which is absurd to send an article impeachment over were so divisive that they were automatically turning off Republicans and I agree with you, and they may think this damage is present. Trump what this does is put present trump, especially if this trial is Mr. O'Connell's document is not to like mid February. It brings back Donald Trump right at the beginning of the first hundred days were a hill I smack dab in the first 30 days of the Biden administration and he's going to be acquitted or any wrongdoing. On January 6 the second time the liberal Democrat house has failed in trying to impeach this President and this time we will not removal the goal to prevent him from running again for office. And I think it actually kind of encourages him to say you know what they're so afraid of me. Maybe I should run for office again because they are they are trying to do anything possible to convince to to stop him from having the ability to run for office. I'm trying to figure out how the political calculation is such that this makes any sense for the Democrats. Well, I think George correct as it applies to President Trump I think maybe there is a second layer that they were trying to apply it to other elected officials recollected Republicans in both the House and the Senate for 2022 but here's here's why think it's likely to backfire on them J we talked yesterday in the broadcast how your there were reports and public comments that somewhere in the neighborhood of five or six Republicans might be open to voting to convict Jack and tell you everything that I'm hearing on Capitol Hill is that some of the great angst and hesitation about the, the prudence of this and even the constitutionality of it exist in that group of five or six Republican senators who were willing to convict. They they also don't know if they have the power to do this and I have your correct been set. If you are correct right right if you're correct that the courts don't take this up, then it does fall to senators to answer that question for themselves. Do we have the power to do this and Jane a limited form of government, you would want your elected officials to restrain themselves and not take more authority in the Constitution grants that I don't if we had the sound I could be this quote from Sen. Schumer assessment. Make no mistake at trial will be held in the United States Senate and there will be about to convict the President and say any argument otherwise defies basic, we have Alyssa listen to him actually say it. Make no mistake trial will be held in the United States Senate and there will be about whether to convict President Sandy. I said okay we have a minute left here they done this before this one is going to have may have a few more votes will he had 1/2 a vote for Republican vote for conviction last time. This is good be another acquittal. I'm glad I don't see the courts engaging know and I'll quote you free night Nixon versus United States, 1993 and this is a quote the judiciary and the Supreme Court. In particular, were not chosen to have any role in impeachments, so don't think that you in a run to the Supreme Court. Anybody and get the Supreme Court to intervene in this matter. It's not going to happen. I will keep you posted out we got more coming up saying half hour to go into more in the Middle East with Iran. We have Rick Cornell joining us are senior policy advisor on foreign policy and in intelligence with a lot to discuss their support the work of the ACLJ do that ACLJ.org will be back with more calls and only one.

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You are already a member. Thank you, are not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ. Jordan said there's a lot of talk about today is he announcing she will deliver the article, single article impeachment to U.S. Senate on Monday but we are not clear about whether or not the trial will start as it usually would. The next day at at 1 PM Eastern time and following that at noon each day because there's a proposal out there by Mitch McConnell which is getting some Democrat support that this should be held over until February. From early early February for briefing ended mid February for a very short trial three days. The President now has his legal team in place for that. I was clear on Newsmax this morning.

You know in our private capacity were still handling a lot of issues for President Trump and I would make that clear to everybody were not former Trump attorneys reoccurred Trump attorneys in our in the private sector and outside of the ACLJ and because he is experiencing a sentence on Newsmax all-out law is what we call an truth yeah and so I before we take the call that you want to tell people just when I try to swing the term on Newsmax.

What we mean by that, but it was like the witchhunt like the harassment he received his present but now it's like it's not stopping the phrase locker actually came up and you remember this in the context of the attacks on Israel. They were engaged and blessed with documents before to make you instead of using bullets and armies use legal process in Israel's case it's the international legal process in this case its domestic legal process the President's getting try to pick him apart, so to speak. Not successfully, but they're trying they were doing that before Wally was President now is former President. It's not stopping. So that is the law fair angle on it and and you have to treat lot there seriously and were doing that is a Jordan said while when I can be good lot lawyers on the floor.

The Senate is going to get a team that's handling that which is great. Where were dealing with a variety of other cases where again all have the same goal and that is to diminish the brand if you will, to diminish the standing of this former President, I used Israel as the example for Law affairs actually going to use because when were done about this in a minute with Rick Grandin is with direct burnout.

The fact is what we what was accomplished in the Middle East, but they are using this to pick him apart yes and they haven't stopped and they won't stop. It seems that their whole aim is the consolidation of power in the Democratic Party to the to their benefit and look let's face it, they attack this President before he became President when they spot on his campaign.

They attacked him when he became President with the mother investigation, which lasted for two years, three years after long then they attack them over a phone call and impeached them over that he was acquitted over that. Then Kovic came and said he didn't handle it rightly in the house and Senate and we have been asking for documents with the screen grimy times on that successful in two out of three of them actually successful in all three in the sense that doctrines were never handed over. But you're right, I mean this is big and bit lot there is it we talked about it Wes in the form of Israel and Jordan. Let's get ready take a call, but that's what this is.

So what the all were seeing at the Senate is just another avenue of law. Fair exit. There's a really predetermined conclusion.

What happens here, there absolutely is an end date. They simply, it would appear lack the ability to let it go. Even if that's in the best interest of the American people get obsession whether he obsessed with something really good or something really bad obsession is never a good thing, psychologically, spiritually. They are obsessed Donald Tripp Trump and they simply can't let it go right you look like a golf Arabia North Carolina online. Three. Hey Randy, welcome its secular radio.

I think my call.

I was, I don't know the Democrats realize that what you're trying to do so don't realize it or they don't care because it could come back.

It could come back to haunt him with with the future, the future President.

I sit and think that's what I said you know what you look like you already know, I think.

Here's what happened during the initial incident horrible incident at the nation's capital.

They thought for a moment we could get impeachment and conviction, and then everybody started looking at the facts, which is what happens and look less likely. But they still are insisting they could. They went back down and now they can create their own distraction from President Bynes agenda for the first hundred days and at the same time the President ends up with an acquittal yet I think rain is correct on two points.

First of all, let's not just future Presidents that will have this hanging over their head. It's every past President as well, including Democrat Presidents. There's no reason that the reach back to former Presidents couldn't extend to them. But Vince, the second reason that Randy is correct is the what is the point that Jordan Artie made it makes President Trump very central figure going forward well into the Biden administration and NJ even if that even of the timeline that leader McConnell proposed is the one that happens there still to be a great majority of Pres. Biden's nominees and the. The issues that he is promised would be on the floor of the Senate in the first hundred days that won't have been on the floor of the Senate yet, so it's exactly correct President Trump will be in the news and the agenda of the President. Biden promised Jay that won't be being considered. While impeachment is moving forward right so let me play this statement from Alan Dershowitz who was my Coke are cocounsel with me. Jordan Randy in the first impeachment trial that was successfully concluded listener Prof. Dershowitz at the site. There is no jurisdiction.

You cannot put citizen Trump on trial. If you could do that it would be a bill of attainder number one putting somebody on trial who is not a sitting President and number two applications would be horrendous with a habit I Jordan, the implications would be horrendous, absolutely because there would be no there me know what what is that way. So what would prevent you from going back and impeaching Pres. Obama one day or future present when they who served out their filter. Let's say Joe Biden only serves one term. Can you just go back and impeach him after he leaves office.

Just because he didn't like his policies he come up with a reason because of whatever hunter binds tax criminal tax investigation goes to self organize. Impeach now when his men past practice has totally been flipped over past practice is been yes your student look at Hillary Clinton in the classified information big enough to really target Hillary Clinton you know that was the difference. You know, at who have a need to go to jail. Hillary Clinton didn't go to jail you look and make sure our classified information was secured so that doesn't ever happen again instead of what instead know what were seeing now is the continued attack on a former President and that reading this precedent to set on both sides.

The because guess what folks, the Democrats may seem tough on this, but if you gave Republicans. This tool especially this new Republican Party.

This tool beware Democrats were opening up what gate you were opening up if you will use the new normal.

Going forward in American Ghana cheapened impeachment they really have only one who can get the new normal going to be. We will use impeachment for revenge. Going forward I pray that that is not the new normal in America or in American politics is a horrible thing but I'm afraid it may be, but they have changed the nature of what constitutes an impeachment and they will for all of history taking a break we come back were to be joined by our senior foreign policy advisor special advisor to the ACLJ and also advisor on international no international affairs. The national intelligent because without some information there and on five envoy for Iran is been selected and I can believe it. We get into the details of this was a guilty bear that said that they mismanage the it's dj vu all over again.

Same group meeting the same mess this four years later, here we go again. You know we do that we fight back with my back on the policies] we went fight back aggressively.

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If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.org where you can learn more about our life-changing work, member today ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow and secular radio. This is a critical time in our country we now know that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi will be delivering the articles. The article the article to last him.

It was articles the article of impeachment to the U.S. Senate on Monday that what we don't know dad is that in usual practice, they would figure out they maced their supposed to start the next day, but in this case, they may actually start potentially not until February.

And actually, the trial may not be until mid February President's legal team set for the impeachment working on other issues for the President as part of his legal team and but that's the big question now is to get the articles delivered.

When does the trial actually begin this briefing that also occurs. This so I think that's for safe you remember the first thing that takes place and you work on this course was presenting the trial brief, basically that takes place before the proceedings begin. That's correct. And we and we prepared a comprehensive trial brief, and it takes time to put that together so that the senators have an idea with the legal position is in the President is entitled, in my view, to have at least that much due process to be able to put forward his defense in the form of a brief before the Senate. I think they'll come up with anything. It sounds like to come up with a schedule in the next day or so, that says you get know. Maybe it's 10 days to get the opening brief and then another 10 days for the other side about a brave and the reply brief.

Sounds like to me it's moving into February.

Pretty evidently yeah I really do think there is a counter resolution you know right now that the latest proposal that I've heard really only had a couple of days apart.

You know, maybe proceeding starting as early as summer around like a week and 1/2 into February and then maybe on the other side thinking more like 2 1/2 weeks into February, but bottom line is JI don't think the don't think the Senate rules that mandate the proceedings to start the next day will ultimately be what Carrie I think there is to be a resolution agreed to. There will be a briefing schedule. Each side will have time like before.

To file their brief and and I would expect I would expect will probably get news it out over the weekend, J and then by the time the articles are presented in red and maybe there's a foremost on the sheet.

I think we will know that schedule emulate outright doorless granting phone call you every calling from Georgia online for every great question.

Welcome to secular radio you're on the air. Thank you, really, was still in office out of office. I have the same question prior to his leaving office. You are saying that he first of all there's they don't have time to impeach him before he leaves office in question and out of office and constant. There is no constitutional way they can try and correct differing views on this. To be clear about me. There are scholars on both sides going and my question please understand I'm not talking I believe the man is completely okay I'm coming from? Questions from the process itself. There now are there keys that our Congress judges or whatever that could bring him up on the exact same charge. A private okay so we could bring you disagree question could could some prosecutor try to bring a charge that the President's speech was inciting insurrection or inciting a riot is the district attorney for the district, been trying to think he's called the Atty. Gen. for the dens outside and he is trying to do the same thing that that obstacle in that case, though generally the seconds are left is called the First Amendment to the United States Constitution Supreme Court precedent.

This would go nowhere, nowhere standard is no way that the sentence not bound by those standards, but courts are and there was no way that anything present from said would be considered criminal, so they can try to bring it. It would be tossed out of court very quickly because the Supreme Court precedent. I think that's absolutely correct. To be busy time analyzing this point, but we got teams of lawyers or the ACLJ intermediate team that are to be analyzing this as a comes obsolete and is not breaking in the next 10 days will be covering it will be given your legal analysis with the law is how it's going. When our predictions are how we see playing out because honestly we have more experience than anybody else in the United States on impeachment proceedings.

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We are joined now by record now our special advisor for national security and foreign policy a lot to talk about with Rick Warren this Iraq new Iran invoice who was interesting enough, is not really flowing in line with the rest of the appointments present buying is made on Iran and dad. This is an envoy. I want to talk to Rick about because this is one who really thinks that they got to reach out to Iran and make nice with Iran and it goes against what Lincoln and others have said toting Blake in the sector state nominee who said leftists were going to take it slow even when getting back into the agreement with the nuclear agreement with Iran which I think is good news, at least not rush right in. Then you put something like this in place and you get a lot of pressure to rush right in Malley. Rick is been the is going to be be appointed as the envoy to Iran on direct Iran policy now.

He was very very involved in the JCP away you wanted. If I recall correctly negotiations with Hamas, which course calls for the destruction of Israel and I would say agree with Jordan way out of the mainstream of even Joe binds mainstream. I would think time to go to guy when attacking the top administrations Iran policy consistently attacked my work in Europe and in Germany trying to really push this idea that engagement is the goal and engagement is just a tactic to get you to remember that the Europeans and Americans both agree that Toronto never nuclear weaponry disagree on tactics, so the interesting part of that, this was with your experience in the Middle East.

The military this Ron is at a crippling point right now. I mean their economy is ruined or their senior military advisor was taken up by the Trump administration and now this. Let's make nice and build back to where we are just to embolden them & they were they were hanging on by thread. They were afraid that Donald Trump was going to be reelected and in that case they were going to have to change their behavior and come back to the negotiating table. Now all those bets are off. The interesting thing about Rob Malley and have looked at his bio this morning.

In spite of all of his missteps and controversy over the years and been around DC for every Harvard lawyer lost will grant that when Clinton was President and that Middle East talks fell apart and Clinton President Clinton blamed Palestinians for the falling apart, they would not negotiate in good faith. Malley criticize President Clinton over that he was actually not only encouraging talks with Hamas. He got caught having unauthorized talks with Hamas and then when Pompeo a couple years ago the sector state for President Trump came up with the 12 conditions that we would go back and talk with the rain if they did these 12 things among them, forsaking terrorism, stop testing ballistic missiles. Malley roundly criticized Pompeo because he thought that was harsh on her. Ran an unrealistic and all his bio go J unit with specialty is on his own bio conflict resolution. He has that on his bio resolution was sent like to me Rick McPherson, Jordan sent like to me Rick that this is going to not only embolden the Iranians. What a message were sending to our allies in the cards are such a good thing. Moving forward, but we we we would not have the support if not for the disasters Obama policy in the Middle East that Rob really helped the idea that so many Arab nations are seeking peace with Israel is because they saw what it was like when America was withdrawn in America was somehow allowing the Iranian regime to bully the neighbors and they don't want to go back to that and is somebody who is going to take us back to where our allies are fearful of the week America was thinking about that you know you me and we negotiated a lot of transactions in the Middle East, especially with the three faith groups, which is very complex when you have to get multiple agree. Rick knows that it is working that he's done as an envoy and think about all the people I knew. I knew he would show back up. I knew Rob Malley would be back in the mix. But what a statement is sending to our allies is a horrible statement sending to our allies especially are the allies that we had, but Israel had not had formal agreements with that they do now through the Abraham records you put this guy back in place. It says I will make nice with Iran is also a conflicting message. You have the secretary of state nominee Tony blinking say really take our time to see if we really can't reenter the JCP layer. The Iran nuclear deal as it's known, or if Iran just gone too far and I think that's that's something I to take as encouraging then you put Malley back in this this again to me it is really I think scare a lot of our new allies in these new trilateral agreements.

We put together when the Gulf states one because they don't like when the US comes in initially under the trumpet ministration to isolate Iran and so quickly under the Biden administration got this conflicting on the one hand, let's rush back to Iran on the other hand, was was a slow walk who is going to win the day out with her talking to Pres. Biden about how to reengage with Iran. We know they're going to do it the one group wants to take it slow and I think that's the right that's the right approach.

If you're going to reengage, which I don't agree with it all.

But if you're going to do it at least take it slowly and maybe the side of the end that you know what we can't do this again with Iran blinking left that open but Malley is the type who wants to rush right back in and start having tea with with that is there is the problem. The destabilization of this approach to the region and he has real consequences of report that region what you have heard that region extensively and I know the multifaceted nature of the dealings that you have in that region but appointing someone like this is the envoy to Iran really undermines the Abraham records that seriously compromises them interviews of our allies. It weakens us and it makes us look foolish. Look, there is one thing that is foolish and that is engagement. The idea that engagement with rogues is the way to obtain them. That is a foolish concept J we were at Oxford and we had a professor there. At Oxford, and I'm not going to say what he said but what he said he was very left and I might as well say it is said is no way that you can deal with these people their animals Prof. Jan and Bo. What do you say we do to them and he said in his accent give them what he said them. There is no way to engage with rogues in the idea that you're going to bring them so table and were all going to be lovey-dovey, yet it ain't working so Rick, what does this do now. This becomes the internal that you have an internal pipe at this becomes the envoy is starting to make these representations engaging Iran's way that they gotta be throat today yeah envoy you have to have both sides trusting you probably criticizing you. Probably both sides saying wow. He's done some good things and some bad things you have to have a balance, you can't have one side celebrating nearly Iran is celebrating. I actually think that this JCP away Iran issue is no longer just a shield versus Sunni issue more a a Israel versus Iran issue.

This is now about the region and whether or not people, countries in the region can deal with that hostile regime like the Iranian regime or not and what Malley possible envoy ship means is that Iran celebrates and the rest of the region is fearful that this is going to happen because there's such a blowback to him. So let's wait.

He actually appointed you, it's interesting here. Tom cotton thing and said this, he said in the tweet appointing radicals like Malley gives the lie to all the Pres. Biden and Tony blinking's rhetoric of unity yet he's correct that cinnamon is building Rick is correct on this like it.

It's interesting to me. J that the reporting on this seems to indicate that this is the first sign of the shift on policy for Israel and Iran day I couldn't disagree with that morning. We need to remember and a lot of the stories pointed Tony blinking's rhetoric. They point to Jake Sullivan's rhetoric Jake Sullivan is the national security advisor is one of the primary architects of the JCP away. He's an outside business partner with Ben Rhodes. This might be the most high profile indication the Pres. Biden is taking this policy in another direction by J.

This is becoming been coming for a while now and in the United States Senate is starting to wake him. For it is not just tom cotton Rick is correct. There are dozens of senators who see this is very problematic and I will add J. Some of them are on the Democrat side of the aisle yet and I think this is right. So Jordan this is what we have to look forward to and on the next aim of the broadcast organist switch from Iran and get into some national intelligence international intelligence and some leaks and nobody talk to better than that. Then Rick Grenell, the former director of national intelligence) to courier phone calls and well at 1-800-684-3110 because that another more folks got questions about the impeachment as well be a great resource for that is we are part present from legal team, so give us a call one 800 684 31.

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And lastly, let me just say that when I was there I called Adam multiple times to try to coordinate. I actually really enjoy it today. I'm a nice guy that wants to talk through issues and find common ground even return my phone call. I think that's really chicken to not take a phone call and not try to coordinate remaining.

This is silly. That second great stuff so we can have disagreements about high-speed was three weeks on the floor. The state Senate that with that of ship. People quickly recognize was the way it was. Off basically when a ship spoke then I would go. I believe the kind of point counterpoint.

The thing that concerns me about all of this ties back from, whether it's intelligence leaks or information that gets put out with these committees and then they get it to other committees and then it gets leaked or impeachment proceeding that has audit Jamie Raskin, who argues in 2016 that the election should not be certified.

The same thing. The complaining about the President doing EE voted that way and then Eric's wall well. We talked about that before where the Chinese by his office and think this is all cheapening the institutions and I think we we got to the you know you first on the sweats and then I want I want Rick to respond to the integrity of the institutions you were in a big institution. The Army is very important, absolutely. And the American people have to trust that generally speaking, the institutions are honest and they do what they're designed to do this kind of thing happens in not only cheapens the dictation, it totally demolishes the American people's trust in some of these institutions, which is not good for any of us got me outside. Was it real. Rick, you ran a big institution with aggressive investor to Germany as well. The director of national intelligence and it's it's it's disheartening to see where it is gone. We need to still be able to talk when you have members of Congress and in senators unwilling to talk unwilling to engage with people are running agencies. That's no that's no way to run a country that certainly sends a terrible message to the American people. I think with the Nicene governments power is one of the real problems that we have on both sides of the aisle to Washington way to hold information and spoonfeed it out and pretend like the American people are stupid and change the outsiders need to go to Washington and change it. And that's why I supported present.

He was the ultimate outsider trying to change the system and all the insiders attacked him nonstop. Jordan, you look at all of this you look at the appointment of Matt Malley is the envoy and you realize very quickly.

What's in play here we are. This is we are looking at a rehash of the Obama Biden administration maybe working hard about this as he is not trying to carve his own path. This is someone who was sought the presidency three times run for President three times finally successful in getting the nomination and then getting elected and yet he doesn't want to chart his own path. He's leading Rick. Rick really had a window into this very early on. He's bringing in the closest advisors, Pres. Obama had that really their loyalty lies with with the Obama at least strategy. If not, the President present for Pres. Obama anymore so people like Susan Rice being right there in the White House with the ear to to Joe Biden, and then having someone to the left like Kamala Harris, who is going to agree with those were left policies anyways instead of carving out your own administration's path when it comes to foreign policy. When he finally has the chance to do that is present United States and Canada baffles me that Job I just said I'm the higher all the formal people before former people before and not bring in my own folks run this and I don't know if that was pressure from just the people around him and whether he just didn't have the team assembled to do it but I worry that skin of yes it's Obama 2.0 and maybe more dangerous. Staffers literally have the same pool and Joe Biden has been there for 47 years and after that he knows anybody outside of the circles that he's been accustomed to.

I'm more concerned about the fact that every single person is a Washington insider that has had some sort of consulting gig right down the street in Washington DC and there circling the wagons around the ultimate insight meet is getting attention in the Senate what's going I'm either confirming these people that somebody's only confirmations but the publicans have to know what's going on here.

I would think it's getting attention. But you know honestly I don't think it's surprising today because I it's it's very easy to write off the Obama administration is Barack Obama's team to look Joe Biden was on that team. I mean, he helped take those people. The last time around.

So I'm frankly not shocked I'm disappointed but I'm not shocked that he's going that direction again and look we said so many times that at that personnel is policy Association's policy as well and I'll say it again I stated earlier in the broadcast Jake Sullivan and Ben Rhodes are outside partners in the national security action-packed outlook. I think it tells you all you need to know the JC PLA J it's their top priority. It was four years ago it is today. It will be again and we saw firsthand when you didn't have that JCP away with US support anti-the difference it made for the region and now the coming together of majority Muslim country Arab countries with Israel was unprecedented in the last months. This was one of the greatest legacies of the Trump administration, Abraham record what you've got with Joe Biden to use a little more polished. The term is Obama redux is back again when she got a piece coming up today on Iran this afternoon. Five reasons why Iran is a major issue for the Biden administration. It articulates what we've been talking about on the radio today and how that it seems like the missteps just keep on coming. Rick and 15 seconds how significant is this ongoing appointment.

I think there is all I think he should be stopped. Well see what happens to me this is where you got your voice has to be heard.

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