BREAKING: Virtual Debate Announced, Pres. Trump Responds “Not Going to Waste My Time”

This is Logan Sekulow. We have vice Presidential debate analysis, plus breaking news. President Trump says the virtual debate is a waste of time. Phone lines are open for your questions right now.

Call 1-800-684-3110. So you just learned this this morning? Yeah, we learned it the same way you learned it. They called up two minutes ago and it was announced. And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to the one and only flag-waving, God-praising, trailblazing, heck-raisin' online good time. It's the Logan Sekulow reprogram takeover of Jay Sekulow Live for today. You know, Will, we got to come on and do debate coverage last time, and today we're back to do VP debate coverage.

I feel like they sub us in at this time every time, because we know you love our debate coverage. But we're also talking about the breaking news that was just announced a few hours ago, Will. This morning we woke up to news that the next Presidential debate, which is supposed to happen in what, a week? Yeah, October 15th, so actually a week from today is when it's scheduled for. A week from today was going to go virtual. Obviously, this is in the wake of President Trump testing positive for COVID-19. And quickly, within an hour or so of that being announced, President Trump said that ain't happening.

That's right. He called in to Fox News and said that he was not going to participate. In fact, he said, I'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate.

And I have to kind of agree. I feel like part of the style of a debate, when you have the two candidates able to get up there and challenge each other directly. Even though our technology has come very far, I mean, we're able to connect multiple studios with direct connections and high-speed connections. But there's always a slight delay. I think it would really hurt the format of a debate, trying to pull that off remotely.

I get it. I can understand both sides of this one, but I do think it would be hard to do the virtual debate, hard to do that specific style of a debate, even as a town hall debate. Because, like you said, there is always a delay. If you've ever watched anyone on the news, on Fox or however they're doing a live hit, they're always talking on top of each other. There's always someone not hearing the other person in there. It's never perfect.

And even our studio here is not perfect. There's always sometimes going to be a glitch here and there, and we don't know exactly how they had this set up. There was no information really released on what a virtual debate meant. Right, they just said they're going to participate from separate remote locations. They would have to get approval to do a style change because they agreed to the rules, and this was going to be the town hall. And town hall typically infers that there's people asking questions from the audience. It just sets up a lot of problems to potentially happen that I think could cause more distraction from the campaign than is really good at this point.

Yeah, for either side. I don't see President Trump really enjoying this, and I also don't see Joe Biden. I mean, look, we saw a lot of issues when he did his at home campaign events where there were delays, the teleprompter would go down, something would happen. That happened continually to Joe Biden. It would probably happen again to President Trump. I think we have to be careful in deciding that, but I also have to say if there's going to be a debate, there should be some concern.

Obviously, again, he tested positive for COVID-19 a little over a week ago, or right at a week ago. So, you know, I kind of can see how the election or the debate commission decided this, but how about get people involved who are actually going to be involved in this debate. I want to hear from you, and we're going to do VP debate analysis when we get back.

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We have an Eddie Van Halen tribute episode coming up with Michael sweet from Striper. We're going to have a great show, but today we're talking about the vice Presidential debate as well as obviously the now looming virtual debate and what happens there when President Trump has pushed back on it. But let's start talking about this debate. Last night I ran a little late.

We were both texting each other going, when's this thing going to start? Usually pretty prompt. I think it was about eight Oh five actually got going plexiglass between the two. And once they sat down, you didn't really notice because it wasn't in front of them. It wasn't a bubble.

It was just a divider, a double divider. Fine. Didn't bother me at all. And then they got right into it. And well, like you said, we were talking about this.

We just saw it, showed the clips online of the, the court packing stuff. We'll get to that because again, it was sort of a night where I think the debate went well, but it was a night where some lies were told and it was a night where some questions were avoided. Some answers were avoided and it kicked off with an interesting one regarding the coronavirus. That's right.

Yes. So the, the moderator, Susan Page, who is from USA Today, she led off asking about coronavirus and the response, what the Biden Harris administration would do differently. And obviously that was on a lot of people's minds. We knew that that was going to be kind of the leading topic and prevailing theme of the debate since the VP candidates were there and, and President Trump had tested positive. And so we knew that was going to be an issue. They bring it up and the, the tactic that Kamala Harris decided to go with, and this is just a few minutes into the debate, and she decides to go and perpetrate a democratic talking point lie that has been debunked many times by many sources. And we'll get into that, but let's go ahead and play bite 50 because this was early on in the debate. Like I said, her first uninterrupted two minute period, she decided to go with this line, which is, is frankly a lie.

Let's go ahead and play it. And they knew what was happening and they didn't tell you. Can you imagine if you knew on January 28th as opposed to March 13th, what they knew, what you might've done to prepare? They knew, and they covered it up. The President said it was a hoax. They minimize the seriousness of it.

So let's, uh, let's stop there. That was obviously Kamala Harris saying that, uh, it was a hoax. And that was used early on as an ad that was selectively edited. There were reporters that reported on it that then later apologize for the way they reported on it. What the President actually said was that the way the Democrats were railing against his response was their new hoax. That it was their new Russia collusion theory that the President's not doing anything to help you with coronavirus. Not calling the actual virus a hoax. He didn't say the coronavirus was a hoax. As a matter of fact, when they were trying to impeach him, when he was in the middle of that, he was the one that brought it up at the State of the Union. He was the one that was trying to shut down travel. And they were saying, no, let's still have our Chinese New Year festivals. You can be outside in the streets altogether.

It's there's going to be no issue here in these large festivals. So he wasn't calling it a hoax. He was saying they're minimizing of his administration's response was the hoax.

Yeah. And just take it out of context and blow it up. But like you said, even Snopes, all these others that said, no, we don't typically run to is like, uh, because they always have a seemingly liberal bias on these political issues. They even rated it as it's a very misleading Associated Press said it's a misleading claim because here's what he actually said. Washington Post, CNN even said, no, that's not what he said.

Here's what he said. So it's just once again showing that she decided to lead the debate off with dishonesty. And the State of the Union was February 4th, when the first time a lot of people maybe heard about it. And we were all talking about it because there were things we knew that this thing was happening.

Sure. We didn't necessarily know the severity of it or how it was going to end up, but it was a talking point. And that just kicked off the night. And look, again, I have to at least say this was a debate that was reminiscent of a debate. We'd have any election here, which compared to last Tuesday was a little bit of a breath of fresh air to actually hear them go back and forth and have some debate style. Now, I think there is a bit of concern on the moderator. I think she did a good job, but that she would ask a question.

Both candidates on either side would divert that question, as you do in a debate, and go, hey, I want to go back to here. I want to do that. Let's talk about this. But never the follow up. Never that I want you to answer that question. Some of them were questions that we talked about. I hate the hypotheticals.

Yes. And you could tell both of them did not like that, specifically the one towards the end about their age. They both did not answer. And it was kind of a gotcha question. It was, do you have an agreement with the President or with the Presidential candidate, in the case of Joe Biden, that if you were to be elected, what would happen and how you would hand it off if there were something to happen?

It's such a weird hypothetical, but also there's government framework for that. The fact that the debate moderator decided that was an appropriate question, I think it's a little demeaning and not really the best questioning from a moderator. But they both avoided it. They both decided, hey, you know what, we're not going to answer that. We're going to go into other talking points here instead.

For sure. And we're going to talk about some of those. We're going to talk about the ones that are important to you, the life issue, or we're going to talk about maybe some Israel content. Because all of it came up.

A lot of it came up. But I do think we should probably hear from Mike Pence, his response about how President Trump feels and how he feels about the coronavirus, things like three. Our nation has gone through a very challenging time this year. But I want the American people to know that from the very first day, President Donald Trump has put the health of America first.

Before there were more than five cases in the United States, all people who had returned from China. President Donald Trump did what no other American President had ever done. And that was he suspended all travel from China, the second largest economy in the world. Now, Senator Joe Biden opposed that decision.

He said it was xenophobic and hysterical. But I can tell you, having led the White House Coronavirus Task Force, that that decision alone by President Trump bought us invaluable time to stand up the greatest national mobilization since World War II. And that was from Mike Pence. You get a little bit of a contrast of what happened there, how the debate sort of unfolded.

Now, maybe some props to the moderator, Will. You just told me a fact while you're playing that clip that there was always discussion of who got more stage time, who got more speaking time, air time. They came in pretty dead heat.

That's right. And I actually saw a lot of people on Twitter saying, oh, Mike Pence is getting so much more time and the liberal cesspool that Twitter can be. But speaking time and this is according to CNN.

So, you know, you think that they would try to find a disparity if there was one. But Kamala Harris had thirty six minutes and twenty four seconds of speaking time. And Vice President Mike Pence had thirty six minutes and twenty seven seconds. So just a three second differential, which is a couple of breaths.

Unknowable. So you actually have to give it up to the moderator because that she said she wanted to give them as equal time as possible. And clearly she did.

And there was even one time where the moderator said you can respond, but not as at great length, which was some people called out. Well, that's not that doesn't seem right. Why can't Kamala Harris have as equal time? Well, what it goes to show is that she was keeping track of it and they did have roughly equal time. Yeah. And the debate commission, I'm sure after last week's disaster, decided to slap the wrist a little bit and say, we've got to get better.

We've got to get better. And clearly they did. Again, I think these candidates are a little different as well. Your vice Presidential candidates, and typically this is the case, are a little more calm. Now, typically these don't necessarily swing an election one way or other.

I do. I do personally think, and look, I would say this, take your own political views out of it because your political views do matter, obviously, to how you're going to interpret a winner or a loser of a debate. Because both of them hit talking points.

I think both sides wanted to hear to me. Mike Pence came out as a much stronger debater and much stronger in general, just came out and was actually having a debate. Kamala Harris, I think, had a good night.

I don't think she had a bad night by any means. But I think that there was a clear winner to this, and even the news outlets immediately were kind of even saying that. Even if you disagreed with what they had to say, that it was kind of a dead heat, and if I was going to give it to anyone, I would give it to Mike Pence. Well, and some of the networks were even trying to make excuses for Kamala Harris, which were a little bit disingenuous, and I think we'll get into that later. But if you're trying to explain why someone didn't have a debate performance in a certain way, then you're trying to make an excuse for what you thought they should have done. That just kind of shows that you thought that they weren't the winner. But I do think that it shows Vice President Pence, he has a career in, he was a radio host and then was a politician, a governor, a congressman. You don't really give him that a lot of times. I have to say that there was a lot of conversation online about whether we could see a 2024 Mike Pence, and I don't think that was happening much before last night.

Even after the convention, when he gave a very strong speech, but it wasn't showy, it wasn't in your face. Hey, when we get back, two things are going to happen. I'm going to take your phone calls. 1-800-684-3110. We'll slow it down for you.

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Yeah, that's right. Where he's calling from. Sean from Connecticut on Line 3. Welcome to Jay Sekulow Live and the Logan Sekulow Reprogram Takeover. You're on the air.

Hi, how you doing? Yeah, I was very interested in what you were talking about, about going to a virtual debate. I thought that was very interesting.

And my one comment would be, you know, I was thinking about it with my girlfriend and I. We're trying to figure out why it would be to their benefit to do that. I mean, outside the fact that the President, you know, possibly contagious, but you know, you saw what they had going there for the setup. And I said, you know, I think what it is is I think that they're, they would allow, they would love to have a teleprompter. Biden can use a teleprompter to answer these questions. This will allow his debate strategist or his aides to send him the answers to these debate questions on the fly.

Look, that's not a, that's not that far fetched of a theory. I think that you could obviously have that kind of interference, if you will, if it's done virtually specifically, if it's done virtually and controlled by the candidate themselves, you could have teleprompters, you could have earpieces, you could have all those things that we've talked about. That'd be much more easily accessible almost to your point, Sean, that why wouldn't they at that point, why wouldn't Joe Biden have it? Why wouldn't President Trump?

Why wouldn't you have your aides be able to help feed you these answers? I think that's a big point. That's a good point beyond just the, obviously the, the risk of COVID-19, which is, is real and it's there. That's an interesting point of view. Well, that there could be some interference that would not necessarily be fair to the American people.

Yeah. And I think it would bring a cloud over the Presidential debates and their legitimacy, which isn't helpful to our society. The, the purpose of them, of the debates in general is to showcase the two different leading candidates for a President and their different views. It allows them to exchange in their back and forth about their ideas and their views and their platforms. And I just think of all, not just like the live shots that you see on, on the news or something where there's a debate and it gets heated and there's a delay, but I even think of some of the hearings that the US Senate has done.

And some of the senators not being able to connect properly and there just being a lot of issues that, that really degrade the quality of interaction between that. And I think of the witnesses in some of the Senate hearings that have been able to dodge questions much more easily. I think it's a disservice to the American people if we're using the debate stage and, and dumbing it down to be something that's not going to be up to the quality that the American people really expect from those.

Yeah. I think you can't just throw together a debate. I understand you're wanting to do three debates.

It's kind of part of the tradition and making sure that we're able to have more Presidential debates, but... What did I say after that last debate last week? You didn't think there'd be another debate? I said I don't think there'll be another one.

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We do reprogram is pretty much every day. And it's kind of a mixed variety of politics, news, entertainment, comedy, cover it all on the reprogram, but well, let's jump right back into the vice-Presidential debate. There was some, some fireworks in regards to China. And I think this was an interesting kind of back and forth on the trade deals and all of that between again, Kamala Harris and Mike Pence. So as you see in a traditional debate, the candidates tried to distinguish themselves against the other and, and Senator Harris had a line that she, she kind of tried to get in there against vice-President Pence about the trade war between China. Yeah.

So let's go ahead and play 46 so we can hear how she set this up. The vice-President earlier referred to it as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment. The President's trade war with China. You lost that trade war. You lost it. So that's Kamala Harris's big line.

You lost the trade war with China. Clearly, again, these are lines that they brought up that were perhaps, I'm not going out to people prepping for debates. I did think that the more longer form comments that Mike Pence gave kind of gave him that edge. That seemed to be the way he dominated, though the time was different.

He would sort of break it down. Right. So let's hear now from, is it, you want to hear from Mike Pence? Yeah, this is from the vice-President.

This is bite 48 and it's his response to Senator Harris's attack there. Look, lost the trade war with China. Joe Biden never fought it. Joe Biden has been a cheerleader for communist China through over the last several decades. And again, Senator Harris, you're entitled to your opinion.

You're not entitled to your own facts. When Joe Biden was vice-President, we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and President Obama said they were never coming back. He said, we needed a magic wand to bring them back.

In our first three years after we cut taxes, roll back regulation, unleashed American energy, this administration saw 500,000 manufacturing jobs created. I have to say one thing about the moderator. The only thing she knew a way to interrupt them was to just say, thank you, Mr. Vice President or thank you, Senator Harris. One time calling her just Kamala, or Kamala, which was interesting. She apologized. It was real kind of bizarre, but that happened over and over again. You did have a bit of that, you know, school teacher kind of vibe to it where it was like, all right, settle down, settle down, boys.

Less than a... I think, and this is some observations I saw people making on the internet as well, that it was almost like she was trying very hard to not be Chris Wallace. That said things like, I'm the moderator. I'm taking it back. She would just say thank you.

Right. She would just be calm and try to stay within the boundaries and keep time. But it also then came across a little goofy the way she did it. I'd have to say there were lines that stuck out.

There are lines I saw posted a lot and obviously I saw that fly posted over and over again. If that's what you took out of this, God bless you. I hope you're paying attention actually to what they had to say.

But the line will that we just played, you're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts is one that I've seen kind of on repeat in a good way. I think that is a good line, especially coming off of you lost the trade war and then boom hit her with something that really, I think could sting.

And that was impressive. I thought a lot of vice President Pence's comeback lines or little one liners were very Reagan-esque. How Ronald Reagan, when he would debate, he had a lot of those lines, like the famous one where he said, I won't discriminate against my opponent for his youth.

And I won't hold it against him. Things like that. A lot of those seem to come out of vice President Pence's debate style. And I enjoyed it. I thought it was interesting. With that put away, we are going to talk about in the next segment, some of the topics that are really important to you, our listeners, we know that we're talking about the issues of life. We're going to maybe talk about Israel. We're going to talk about some of those topics that came up and they all did come up and I'm happy they did because of the last debate, they were breezed over. But this one vice Presidential debate, clear cut answers and clear cut different ways of thinking. We're going to talk about that. And I want your feedback. We're also going to talk a little bit about the pro-life evangelicals for Biden that were announced and how you can deal with that situation.

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This is Logan Succulo. Subbing in for my dad for J. Succulo live and my brother, well, we're going to jump right into this. I think we're going to talk about some of the topics that are really important to our listeners. Let's kick it off with life. Obviously a life barely came up in the last debate and I criticized that heavily that it was brought up very quickly and very much put aside. I was in discussion with Amy Coney Barrett, but now they were able to elaborate and I do think there is a clear difference between what will be a Biden presidency or a Trump presidency in their ideas of being pro-life and anti-abortion. Let's hear it from themselves. I'll let you guys make up your mind what you think, Will. And the moderator actually brought this question up. She asked about if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned and she even brings up the fact that it goes back to the states, it wouldn't be interesting question. It was like, if you were still the governor, would you then flip it? And I honestly, I didn't mind Mike Pence's response to that, but we'll get there. As earlier in the debate, as we mentioned, they used the first portion of their time when asked the question, both Senator Harris and Vice President Pence, to talk about a previous topic. So the questions were asked, they talked about the Supreme Court for a while, and then they got to the issue of Roe v. Wade, and this is Senator Harris's response first.

This is Bite 72. The issues before us couldn't be more serious. There's the issue of choice and I will always fight for a woman's right to make a decision about her own body. It should be her decision and not that of Donald Trump and the Vice President, Michael Pence.

Yeah, so that's a very clear cut answer. And I was hoping we'd get a very clear cut answer from Mike Pence and that we did. So let's hear from Mike Pence.

That's Bite 73. Let's hear from the Vice President. I couldn't be more proud to serve as Vice President to a President who stands without apology for the sanctity of human life. I'm pro-life.

I don't apologize for it. And this is another one of those cases where there's such a dramatic contrast. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris support taxpayer funding of abortion all the way up to the moment of birth, late term abortion. They want to increase funding to Planned Parenthood of America. Now for our part, I would never presume how Judge Amy Coney Barrett would rule on the Supreme Court of the United States, but we'll continue to stand strong for the right to life. I don't think you'd have a clear cut answer than what you got from Vice President Pence, an answer that a lot of pro-lifers like myself were waiting for and wanting and honestly wanting from President Trump as well, and that didn't necessarily get the response we wanted. I believe he's pro-life, but this is the kind of pro-life rhetoric that we're looking for. Well, I was excited to hear this.

I applauded by myself sitting there because this is a strong language. Like he said, he's not apologizing for his pro-life views. And that's something that I think a lot of us have struggled with when social media, if you post something pro-life, you get a lot of pushback. It's become a hot topic again. And I'm glad to see someone like the Vice President say, no, we are proud of our pro-life beliefs. Well, and that's something that we've seen rise up this week in particular. There's a group of leaders within the faith community, within specifically, they claim to be the Evangelical Pro-Life for Biden movement.

Yeah, Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden. It's a new group that was announced just over the last few days. If you want a real good breakdown of it, Will and I did about 25 minutes on it yesterday on the Logan Secular reprogram, you can find that on your podcast players, or you can find it on YouTube.

I went pretty deep into this. You can hear about the people that they have supporting. Again, these are kind of, I'll put quote unquote, evangelical pro-life leaders. You do have some names that you'd recognize, but a lot of them are more the position you'd recognize. Like this guy was on the board of Christianity Today.

This is Billy Graham's granddaughter, but not the one that you remember from speaking. A lot of more liberal leaning seminaries. And my big problem with this, and when you just heard the difference between Vice President Pence and Kamala Harris, is when you start saying you are pro-life. If you just said, I'm an evangelical supporter of Joe Biden, I can kind of deal with that.

I can at least sort of respect, I don't respect it. I respect your opinions and views, and at least you're not out there waving the pro-life flag. But if you're going to be out there and you're going to call yourself a pro-life evangelical, but you feel like you need to make a statement and endorse the only candidate really with the most aggressive pro-choice and pro-abortion point of view on the ticket, I just don't trust it.

I don't believe it. It's a really sad state of affairs where this is something within the church that's happening. Where the pro-life movement, where the sanctity of life and the definition of life, that was originally something that I believe in most realms of Christianity and evangelicalism was pretty defined that we've seen in recent months, really maybe in the last year even, things start to flip and flip aggressively to where you can no longer, you can hold these views somehow, but support murder if you want to believe. If you believe that abortion is murder, which is what pro-lifers do, what you're saying is murder is not the number one thing that I care about.

I can fine with murder, but these other things are more important. Well, and to piggyback off of that, what the pro-life evangelicals for Joe Biden even said was there's a lot of things that kill, there's smoking kills, and it was all this weird watering down of what abortion actually is, especially if you're someone who is a pro-life subscriber to- Yeah, you're someone who is labeling yourself pro-life, and look, you can pretend that that label has been adjusted, but again, if you heard maybe my rant yesterday, it hasn't. Everyone knows what pro-life means.

You can't all of a sudden turn that and flip it. I'm also sick of the narrative that somehow the pro-life community, the anti-abortion community only cares about children when they're in the womb. That's a liberal hoax. It is a hoax and a lie and a false narrative that you've been preached. Look at all your community groups, look at all of your church groups, who do you think are out there feeding the hungry and are helping people and doing all of these things.

This is not just... These people are also pro-life activists because people do care. That is some ridiculous point of view that's from maybe a fringe group that somehow took a hold of what's going on in your modern church, and I feel for you and I pray for you because I think you're being misguided and misled to believe, again, a gigantic lie. When we saw the fruit of that lie with the nomination of Judge Barrett, when she was put forward by President Trump to be the next justice on the Supreme Court, the left immediately attacked her for her adoptions of children from Haiti. What the proof is is that someone that's pro-life is also someone that will adopt, that will support those causes, that will help bring up life, not just while in the womb, but throughout life, from the cradle to the grave, the entire spance of life. That is what a real pro-life activist cares about. And what we saw was the fruit of the left when Judge Barrett was nominated was they just so don't understand it that their first instinct was to attack her family and to somehow — in a weird, bizarro world — consider her racist in a weird way for adopting children from Haiti.

It's absolutely disgusting and horrendous and hopefully condemned amongst all people that you shouldn't go after somebody for that. Now that does get us to a political talking point, which came up last night, which was on court packing, which I think is something we haven't heard a ton about. And all of a sudden, it's just like the pro-life movement being flipped on its head. It feels like court packing has become a top topic, and mainly it is because clearly Kamala Harris did not want to answer that question. She did not. And avoided it at all costs. Even so much as you want to talk about court packing and then didn't talk about court packing.

She had a swerve. And actually, we have a little bit of time. We can't probably play the whole bite, but let's get to 75. So Vice President Pence essentially set up this entire narrative, calling back to how Joe Biden refused to answer the question about — What court packing is from this point of view? Court packing would be that they get Congress to legislatively add members to the Supreme Court. So the nine justices, of which we've had set for over, what, over a hundred years? Long time.

Long time. Your entire lifetime and probably your grandparents' and great-grandparents' lifetime, that would be adjusted so there could be more liberals on the Supreme Court. I mean, that's it.

That's the fact. And it was shut down when FDR tried to do it. He tried to expand the court and he didn't get away with it, but that was his goal.

But here's where Hal Harris responded to the question about packing the Supreme Court from Pence. Let's play 75 real quick. I'm so glad we went through a little history lesson. Let's do that a little more.

In 1864 — Well, I'd like you to answer the question. Yes. Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.

Please. I'm speaking. OK. In 1864, one of the, I think, political heroes, certainly of the President — I assume if you also, Mr. Vice President — is Abraham Lincoln.

Abraham Lincoln was up for re-election, and it was 27 days before the election. That's fine. You understand that he didn't nominate somebody who said — did she answer the question about court packing? No. Specifically avoid it. There you go.

Specifically avoid it and brought it up. Sorry, the band upstairs just kicked in and got a little loud. Writing a new bald beagle tune. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's the new Electoral College song.

It's a bit of a rocker. Yeah. When we get back, we're taking more phone calls. I want to hear from you. It'd actually be our last segment of this day of the reprogram takeover of JSecula Live, and I want to hear from you. I'd like to take the last segment, so I want to hear from the people.

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Become a member today, ACLJ.org. Welcome back to the last segment of the Logan Sekula reprogram, take over at J Sekula Live. Thank you all for watching and listening. Make sure you follow Will and I each and every day on the Logan Sekula reprogram. You can find us on your favorite podcast players as well, is on YouTube, primarily people like to watch us, so you can watch us and enjoy yourself. And we've also put great clips up as well, that have gotten hundreds of thousands of views, and we appreciate all of the support. We're going to jump to the phones though, a lot of people are going to hold for a long time, so who do you want to go to first?

Let's go to Veronica on line one in California, Veronica, thank you for holding, and you're on the air. Hi, yes, thank you for taking my call, just wanted to comment on video based last night, I think that Pence won, I think that he was just very cool, calm, and collected, and like you said earlier in the show, it was definitely a breath of fresh air from the Presidential debate. And I think Kamala Harris is just extremely disrespectful, you know, there's memes everywhere with her faces, and with her, I'm speaking, you know, quotes, and I feel like if the only thing social media could have gotten out of the debate is the fly on Pence's head, you know, they're obviously not focusing on the bigger issues, or maybe, you know, the liberals don't want to admit that he won.

I agree with you, Veronica, I thought the same thing with every fly post I saw, like a lot of friends, and people who even are more conservative, it made me cringe a little knowing that that was maybe going to be the takeaway from this debate, because other than a fly, which by the way, if you've never had a fly land on your head, then you've never spent it in track. Michael Bloomberg had one during the, it was during the convention this year. Lies happen, stuff happens, but you know, beyond that, obviously, it was very stark on his white hair, so I mean, it was a moment, I understand, there's humor and comedy, I'm sure we'll see it on SNL this weekend, but I think you're right in the fact that the sort of tone was a little odd, the I'm speaking, I'm speaking, again, it came off very belittling, and again, I didn't really care for the tone in general from Kamala Harris, and I think she overall did an okay job, I don't think she did a bad job, but if it was going to be something to make her more appealing to everyone, I think sometimes maybe the lawyer showed in her. Well, and I thought that she was almost trying to recall in everyone's mind and create this image that Mike Pence, with his tone, was just the same tone as the Presidential debate. He immediately was starting to say things like, I'm speaking, I'm speaking, trying to almost create this, this optics that there was chaos, but there wasn't. He was very poised and he almost had a humility about him when he would say certain things that I think it didn't work, created this jarring optic instead of creating the optic that I think she was going for, but it was definitely a tactic. She had this plan to create that, I'm speaking, almost make her look like maybe the victim in some of the exchanges, like he wasn't going to let her talk, much like the President they tried to claim when it let Joe Biden talk, but it really was kind of equal.

She would cut off him a few times, but he didn't have that same reaction that she used, and I thought it was interesting. It was. Let's go ahead and keep going on the phone calls because then we're running out of time, we've got some people that have been waiting. Yeah, we're going to go to Don in California on line two.

Don, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, hi, Logan, Will, thank you so much for taking my call. I appreciate it. First of all, I hope everything's going good with your families and everybody going through all this craziness. Yeah, everybody's good.

Thank you though. I just wanted to throw my two cents in as far as the possible virtual debate that may be coming up. I'm really hoping that the President takes advantage of that and decides to join it primarily because I think it's really going to give him the opportunity to really get his message across. Those of us that support him, you know, we get a lot of our information from you guys and from, you know, from other sources, but there's so many people that, that, that are just getting their news from, you know, mainstream media. They're not seeing all the good things that the President's doing. They're not, you know, especially like, you know, you guys were just talking about the pro life issues. They don't know about the born alive, uh, you know, act that he just put through. They don't know about all these positive things that he's really doing. So it would really give them a good chance without the distractions that kind of came from the last debate.

It would give them a real good chance just to get his message across and just let, let all the millions of people that are going to be tuning in probably have the first chance of really seeing that, you know, all the good things that he's been able to, to accomplish. Yeah. Don, I, uh, I don't necessarily disagree with you in that I'm not saying necessarily that I think he shouldn't participate in the online debate. But I do see the trepidation. I understand the issues that could come up from it.

You did bring up, but I wanted to talk about this. Uh, you brought up the board of live act and thanks to you guys who support executive order, executive order. Uh, thanks to you guys who support the work of the ACLJ and are always active on social media. Uh, that was actually the number three, most linked through page on Facebook, uh, when it launched. So that's how big it was on Facebook period. Across the board, uh, was the third most, uh, clicked through link, uh, for the day that it was posted. So I got it, you know, really, uh, give a thanks to our listeners and viewers on Facebook because that is unbelievable and, uh, we really appreciate it.

Obviously it was something that touched you guys. Uh, let's quickly jump real quick and then we'll go to Michelle, but to his point about it could give him an opportunity to, to speak, uh, clearly to the American people about things like that. If the format were shifted and it weren't town hall and it was almost giving them like many speeches, I think that's sometimes when the President is the most effective. So if, if they change the rules and then he's like, okay, well this could be a benefit. I could see it playing right into what Don was saying that it could be that, but let's go to line six, Michelle in Georgia, quickly, Michelle, we're running out of time, but we appreciate you calling.

Yeah, I was going to say, I totally agree with President Trump about not participating. It would have to be, boy, I don't know what they would have to do because I'm sitting here thinking about, okay, on zoom calls for instance, you can mute, you know, get muted very quickly. And I'm thinking, what could they pull? You know, if they chose to, what could they pull on an online call? I think that is the concern, Michelle, I think you're right.

I think you're right. I mean, we've had zoom calls hacked. We've had all the different things. There are so many things that could go wrong with that virtual debate.

Not saying it shouldn't happen, but again, I understand the concern before we wrap up. I did want to, again, talk to you about bald Beagle, our new YouTube channel from the ACLJ that is specifically aimed at elementary school kids and specifically on American history, as well as how government works, how elections work and all of those things you need to learn all those core values, and we are maintaining it while kids are not in school, while history classes are being removed, we have the ACLJ wanted to provide more content. We're first talking about school choice, the school choice initiative. This is just another level of that, and we appreciate it making entertaining and educational content for your kids, for your grandkids. Maybe your kid watching right now. I know a lot of kids grew up watching JCEC Live, I know a lot of them still do well right now on bald Beagle.

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