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For call, one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. This is Logan Sekulow. Look, I got this memorandum from Chuck Grassley staring me right in the face right now.
The memo provides an update on my ongoing oversight activity pertaining to Arctic Frost. And Jack Smith Special Counsel Office. We are live. It is Thursday, October fifteenth. I know you've heard me talk about Jack Smith ad nauseum.
You may go, Logan, it's enough, enough of Jack Smith. But I feel like every time there is some new revelation, and that new revelation is so wild. And this one, look, you may say, hey, it's not that shocking, you know, it's not that crazy. But guess what? You know, it started with about a year ago.
You knew that you know about eight senators. Republican senators' phones, all of their data, was given to Jack Smith. That was, you know, we found that out last October. Then you hit up in March. We know that he was targeting Kash Patel's phones, bank records.
Move to July of this year. Jack Smith obtained text messages. These are all what we found out. These are the revelations. Obtained text messages from forty-four members of Congress.
Head over just a few weeks ago, communication data from nearly fifty journalists from major news outlets. In October, FBI tracked Melania and Barron Trump's travel and tapped Susie Wiles' phone. And now, maybe in the most egregious one, it has gone from you know dozens of people involved to hundreds of people involved. To now, we know there was a list of six hundred and thirty-nine. Thousand Republican voters with their personal information, their financial info, and so much more gathered, and a lot of it had to do with did you or did you not buy one of those well-known trademark red MAGA hats?
And if you did, there's a decent chance you're on this list. Did you buy merchandise from President Trump? Did you buy? Did you make a donation? Of course, we know that a lot of donations over a certain amount are public record, so that's not that shocking.
But some of these were donations as low as one dollar. That's right.
So, complain the price is right here. Here's what all the information that was gathered that we know of right now, by the way. And again, all of this was done. We believe with with certain intent, and you could probably jump to your conclusions there. Phone lines are open for you.
I want to hear from you as well. One eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten. We're talking names, dates of birth, physical addresses, email addresses, whether the individual how they're registered politically if they're registered Republican, individuals, congressional district and state legislature, individuals, occupation and place of employment. Could say retired, could say driver, could say pool tech, whatever. You know, a lot of these you fill out when you are making these donations.
Individual donation amount again as low as one dollar, and these were all generally donations under a thousand dollars. I think most people are probably giving less than a thousand dollars to political campaigns. Individuals' credit card information—that's the last four digits of your credit card—and donor analysis data, such as one-time versus recurring donors and the amount of the donation. This is a list they were keeping. Jack Smith was keeping during the Arctic Frost investigation.
Six hundred and thirty-nine thousand plus people were on this list. What do you think about this? Does it freak you out that you may be on this list? Give me a call right now. One eight hundred six eight four three one One zero.
That's one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten. The latest revelations feel a little chilling. We're in court, and we're always exposing and holding this quote unquote deep state accountable through our FOIA practices. We're actually doing it right now about this. I'm going to get into it a little bit more when we get back.
But look, a lot of this feels like conspiracy theory, and then you find out it's just theory. You find out it's not even theory; that it is reality. That is real, and when it's unchecked, it can violate the rights of all everyday Americans. I need you to be a part of the team today to beat this back. We need you to take action.
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So it's just me and you today. Call and be a part of the show. We are talking about the big news item that we are covering. Look, we've talked about Jack Smith and Arctic Frost. I feel like so much.
There are times I talk to our team and say, "Can we not move on from this?" And the problem is, you can't move on because as this. Investigation goes on, and is in these memos get put out by someone like the Senate Judiciary Committee and Chairman Grassley. You start finding out how much more egregious, and anyone who would call you a conspiracy theory, and I hate using words like deep state because I feel like they carry so much negative weight. But when you hear these kind of conversations happening, and you really look at what we're dealing with here. You are dealing with a list being kept again, not of people who they think could possibly be suspects or have issues.
You're talking about just anyone who potentially donated to Republicans or to President Trump. Yeah, like I said, and that could be as simple as buying a piece of merch, buying one of those hats, buying a t-shirt. We know that a list was being kept of over six hundred and thirty-nine thousand, thousand. Trump supporters. We thought it was crazy when there was eight Republican senators who had their phones essentially tapped and all their information being dumped.
No, this is regular everyday Americans with their names, their date of birth, their address, their last four digits of their credit card, and who they not so who they voted for, but who they are registered, what party they were registered under. All of that was happening under Jack Smith. And I'm thankful it's being reported now.
Now, how do we fix it? We're going to keep rooting out the information because the only way is to do is really to shine light on what's happening right now. As we speak, I got a list in front of me because I asked our team. They said we're in court now, and as we speak, our legal team is preparing a FOIA—it's a Freedom of Information Act request, which anyone can make, but of course, it takes time. And of course, you carry a little more legal weight, like we do.
You're going to get information back sooner. A FOIA request on the latest spying revelations against Jack Smith. We previously filed two FOIA requests on the FBI and Treasury Department spying on Americans' bank records, involving any any time that a Bible was purchased, even. Or the terms Trump or Maga were shown, or anything like that. We filed a federal FOIA lawsuit against the FBI over its spying on FBI Director Kash Patel and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles.
Of course, we're talking about the pre-Kash Patel FBI, which I have to say, very pleased with the FBI under Kash Patel. I think there have been some hits and misses. And I think he has has done a very good job. We filed another FOIA lawsuit to get answers about the data collected by Jack Smith on U.S. senators.
And of course, here we are now with hundreds of thousands of American citizens who just maybe made a Republican donation.
Some people donate to you know both political parties, and maybe you're on that list. It's a wild time. I want to take a phone call. Let's go to William in California on line one. William, go ahead.
Hi, how are you guys? I'm good. Go ahead.
Well, I just I don't think anybody should be against a Republican or a Democrat or any political party because of a hat. I like the logo "Let's Make America Great Again" because I live here, and I'd like to see it made great again. Yeah, I mean, I think when you have political targeting, you have to be very careful because look, it's it's not about just the hat; it's about the fact that you are being kept on a list of saying, "Hey, we believe that this messaging and President Trump supporters are somehow, um, are somehow targets of this, and that they could be have real, you know, issues involving this investigation." And you're telling me seven hundred thousand, or whatever, six hundred thirty-nine thousand people. Could seriously be a part of this investigation. It's insane.
It is something we're not going to stand for here at the ACLJ. We're going to fight back as much as we can. But look, I have to thank Senator Grassley. I have to thank this committee for doing this because it's not easy. I mean, when you look at all of this information, sometimes it takes years to go through it.
And I mean, included the names of Republican campaign aides and volunteers as well as party donors who, again, contributed anywhere from a thousand dollars to as low as one dollar. The one dollar donor is the get away from me donor. They're just like here, take something. I mean, the dollar donor is putting put on this list. More than one hundred forty eight thousand rows on spreadsheets contains these findings, including donors from two thousand five to twenty twenty one.
So, yeah, fifteen years almost of of data collected here. They obtained personal information on 639,000 Republican donors, voters, and supporters, including some who contributed, like I said, as little as one dollar, or bought a MAGA hat.
Now, you may not be for President Trump. You may not be for this current administration, or you may not like what's happening right now. Maybe you were, and you weren't then. The political tide turns. We see that.
We see how Republicans and how Democrats continually kind of steal from each other's playbook in the terms of targeting.
Sometimes we have to make sure that that we're holding both sides accountable. But it seems like this side becomes a bit more egregious when you've decided that people who decided to donate to one of the major political parties, one of the two major political parties, the winning this last time political party, that when the shoe is on the other foot, that we don't do the same thing. That we root out the corruption that's happening inside these organizations, and I think for a large part we have seen that happen. We have seen people like Cash Patel. We've seen people like Senator Grassley put together these committees.
We've seen a lot of it happen, and it's important that we know what happened, so we know as we proceed in the future it doesn't happen again. And then if you bought a Hillary Clinton sticker, or you bought a Joe Biden sticker. You know whether you give the dollar or a hundred dollars, that you are a thousand dollars, that you are not going to be targeted because you made a donation to a Republican or a Democrat and considered to be part of investigation that could undermine democracy and all of these kind of things because you simply decided to put your money a little bit behind a political candidate and a little bit could be as low as a dollar. I mean that's why I can't get over with this. It's not like they targeted high dollar donors who maybe you could say they had sway or influence.
Which, of course, is that you have to be an extreme donor at that point to have any kind of real evidence. But again, the timeline here takes us back only, you know, a few years when we actually started uncovering this, including about a year ago. Again, our team kind of said, "Think of it like a pyramid." It started with our thoughts on eight Republican senators having their phone information given to Jack Smith. Text messages, whatever it is, then we found out it's Kash Patel.
So a little bit more, you know, the FBI director, current FBI director. Then we know forty-four members of Congress. Their text messages were taken. Then it spread out a little bit. We know that Melania and Barron Trump's travel, and they tapped Susie Wiles' phone, and all of this, and then the big jump to six hundred thirty-nine thousand Republican donors, Republican voters.
And again, not just your name, name, date of birth, address, email address, where you're registered as, your congressional district, your occupation, your place of employment, your current employment, that even could be retired, your donation amount, which could be as low as a dollar. And they said it's generally lower than thousand. That's because generally people are not giving more than a thousand dollars to a political campaign. There are people who do max out, do what they can. But you know the vast majority of people, it's like people that donate here, people that donate to the ACLJ.
They can donate any any kind, unrestricted. But of course, most people donate between you know twenty five dollars and seventy five dollars. That's kind of normal for someone making a charitable donation or a donation to a political campaign or to a non-profit organization. You know, a lot of people don't have just you know, buku's of extra cash just floating around. Then their credit card information, your last four digits of your credit card number, which of course we know can be used for a lot of different things.
Donor analysis data, such as one-time versus recurring.
So again, if you were a monthly donor, a monthly, yeah, monthly supporter of. President Trump or any political campaign, Republican campaign that was on that list, but it keeps going on, and you may say, Logan, what are we going to do about it? A lot of it has to do with rooting out and exposing it, bringing light, and I'm very proud of our team at the ACLU for doing that as well.
So, we have a whole team of people that that file FOIA requests again. That's Freedom of Information Act requests. I think we use sometimes colloquial terms. I don't sit down and explain it to you what it sometimes means, but essentially, if this kind of thing happens, we can submit it's your information to it's government record, and largely you have to push back on them multiple times. Thankfully, we've got a little bit of a better team involved right now in the FBI to get those records to us.
And they'll redact what they need to redact. It takes time.
Sometimes it takes months.
Sometimes it's more than months. You know, it's it's not unlike dealing with the IRS or whoever it may be. It's not always the easiest situation. But our team is really, really focused on it. And when we and we have to take it to court, we will.
I mean, our legal team right now, again, just go through that quick list. As we speak, our legal team is preparing a FOIA request on this specifically. It just broke, and our team is on it. And then we're going to see what laws were broken, and how then the ACLU team can get into action to hold the people accountable. We previously filed two FOIA requests on the FBI and Treasury Department spying on American bank records.
You may remember that when they used terms like I don't know, yeah, Trump freedom, those kind of things that were like red flags. Of course, one of those red flags: Bible purchases, and now. We have filed another FOIA lawsuit to get answers about the data collected on U.S. senators, the FBI director, and that's a lawsuit. We're taking those to court right now.
You need to be a part of that team right now. I also have phone lines open. I want to take calls in the next segment because I'm not going to have as much time to take calls in the second half of the show. I still will have some time, so give me a call right now. If you feel like this is egregious, if you feel like you want to be a part of the team to help out, you go to aclj.org.
But I encourage you to call right now at 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. And again, the ACLJ, bigger small, deals with the deep state, but also supporting the rights of homeschoolers. We're going to get to that a little bit later as well.
Well, we'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. We are covering some breaking news that is just coming out, and we're going to keep you informed of this if anything changes over the next little bit. But I did want you to be aware of this. This was posted just a few moments ago.
Who is this posted by? Can you confirm with that? Which which source? With Punchbowl News posted that the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the FBI, I'm just going to quote it because again, don't want to get it wrong.
And the U.S. Capitol Police have launched an investigation into multiple letters containing suspicious substances that are mailed to various addresses nationwide, including multiple congressional offices, according to a notice sent to senior Capitol Hill staff. Law enforcement officials are working to intercept any additional letters before they're delivered.
However, it's possible some letters may reach their destination.
So this was a notice that just came out moments ago. I would say that this ties into some of this as well. It's probably not unheard of that they deal with they we know they probably scan through most of their mail and all of this happens. But let's tie this back into what we're talking about today. Jack Smith gathered gathered this list of 639 thousand Trump supporters, which by the way included names, dates of births, like I said, and physical addresses.
Now, in the wrong hands, no. I think Jack Smith is doing this, no. But you think about this: in in the wrong hands, that that information could go to somebody who is crazy, who is willing to cause havoc and become a threat to six hundred plus thousand people, nearly seven hundred thousand people, simply because of where their political affiliations lie, or where their political affiliations may have lied. How many people you know who supported President Trump in twenty sixteen no longer support President Trump now? A lot.
It's not going to exempt them from being on this list. It's not going to erase their donor information. That's not how this works. But in a world where you can go back and forth, and you can actually have political nuance, and you can vote for Republicans, you can vote for Democrats, you can vote independent, you can not vote at all, where you have the freedom to do that. Instead, you're going to be targeted by your own government for deciding to buy a piece of merchandise.
How many people probably bought a MAGA hat as a joke? Probably a lot. Halloween costumes, you know. I mean, for real, a lot.
Now they probably went and got the ones you could find, you know, the store down the street that were, you know, the cheap Halloween versions. But there are probably a lot of people who don't even think about that when they're making a purchase. That they're that that is essentially a donation to a campaign. There's a lot of political collectors who buy everything. Trust me, as a collector, I know how this works.
You go on there, and they buy Hillary Clinton, and you know they'll buy President or you know Donald Trump, and then they'll buy Barack Obama, or they'll buy Joe Biden. And look, I have merch from a lot of different Presidents that I wasn't even alive for, that I certainly would not have voted for, but. A lot of us are collectors, and we like to keep Americana in history. It's a weird world.
Now I'm going to pivot a little bit because phone lines are open for you at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten. You may remember yesterday we were talking about El Sayed out of Michigan, or no, I'm sorry. Yes, right, Michigan. Yeah, Michigan. I had went to Minnesota because I went back to Novar to Michigan.
Sometimes got to correct myself here. Who had been pressed on family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood when he was asked very specifically, he denied it very clearly. Said no, no, nothing to do with it. And then more investigations came in, not even deep dive investigations. Quite literally, looking at the the tweets.
And again, I use tweets because it was done in the tweet era. I know if Will was here, he'd say you said tweets, and I always go back because I like—I don't like that he still says Twitter. But these were tweets on Twitter at the time, talking about having conversations with their mother about their ties and their family history with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Now, again, I don't hold any sins of a parent onto the child.
However, you can also be honest. And you could be honest and say I had I I wasn't raised by that person. I had nothing to do with them.
So whether there is or isn't, I don't believe we need to be. That's not that's irrelevant. And I think that's an okay answer. But that's not the answer he gave. And it's such a tight race.
I do have to come in. You're about to hear NBC News. A little mash up from NBC News. It plays the original, and then it also has a follow up. And I gotta give it to NBC News.
You gotta give them credit where credits due. This is some real journalism. This isn't taking a fluff answer and taking it at its word. They push back hard, and that answer is not satisfactory to most people.
So let's take a listen. This is about a minute. You're going to hear the first part, Kristen Welker, when she interviewed Abdul Sayed, and then you're going to hear then the follow up that just happened. The Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood. You don't have any ties.
No. And your family doesn't. No. But newly revealed past tweets from Al Sayed's half sister appearing to call his answer into question. These tweets have emerged now.
Had an amazing talk with my mom about her activism in the Muslim Brotherhood during the early '70s while she was in college. Hashtag respect. My family has long been in MB. Let me finish. Praying for all my family that supports the MB in Egypt.
Can you just explain it? Yeah, Tom. It's funny to me. I was born in 1984. Right.
Down the street in Rochester Hills. I was raised here in Michigan. Went to the University of Michigan. Rebuilt the health department in this city. Led the health department in this county.
And you want to ask me about what was happening in Egypt in 1970? Are you serious? I get it, but you were asked a question. This is kind of like the same. Yeah, I'm telling you.
Like we, I have no ties. We have no ties.
So your mother had no ties. I have never had these conversations with my mother. I wasn't raised.
So you were unaware. But but but I'm just telling you that like you're using hearsay evidence from a tweet. Like she's not serious. She's not serious. But you've also gone to the President right now.
You've also gone after the President for truthfulness.
So when people ask you a question, they do expect the truth. And do you think? Do you think? Are you insinuating that somehow I was lying? I don't know.
That's why I'm asking. And I'm telling you, I was not. You know, goes back and forth. I think I said I don't know the name of that reporter. We don't.
I want to find out because you know we need to give him his flowers for not just taking a a answer that was specifically made to just try to distract from the answer. And pushing back as hard as he can to try to get some sort of answer, and the answer was, you know, I don't know. Yeah, the answer was, were you unaware? I am telling you that you are using hearsay evidence from a tweet. This is not serious.
And then he goes, well, you kind of push back on President Trump. And to call him a liar, so you are not saying you are. And I just got to give it to him. Like that was again from Tom Yamas, who I think from from NBC News, who this is real journalism. This is how it needs to be handled.
I am appreciative of this level of work because I know it's also not easy to stare anyone in the face and not just take their word and move on.
So I got to give it up to him. At this point, though, people asking also I see in the chat where's Will? Will's on vacation. He'll be back next week. I know people want to where is Will?
Don't worry, Will's not going anywhere. He's literally on vacation right now, as a lot of people are in the country.
So, phone lines are open for you though. As we head into the second half hour, we're going to keep talking about this. And we're going to keep talking about that Jack Smith list. There's a few lines still open at one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. And again, we're also going to talk about the work of the ACLJ as we continue on in our push.
Because look, I think that you have lists where they're like a list of seven hundred thousand, but then there's a case of one person who needs our help, and the ACLJ is going to jump on that because we know the impact can be global. The impact may be national. It may be. In your state, but always, whenever we go to court, it's never about just that one person. The one person may be the catalyst, but we know when we're out to change the law or to with or hold up the law, that it is to support every American, everyone in their community, and potentially everyone around the world.
And none of that happens because, again, remember, if you're an ACLU client, you're not going to get a bill at the end of this. All of it's covered. I'm able to hire the best of the best in terms of attorneys. I'm able to hire the best of the best in terms of media, because you donate and you support. I'm able to provide all of our content.
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Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Secular. Second half hour, Secular coming up right now. And look, in the next segment, I want to hear from you.
So if you haven't called in, I need you to call in for me right now. I will not be taking calls in the final segment.
So if you want to be on the air today, now is the time to do it. If you're watching online, I know that a lot of you hit us up in the chat. We'll try to pull some of those questions, but I always like to hear your voice. That's at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten one eight hundred. Six eight four three one one zero.
We do have some phone calls coming in, and I am going to jump to them. Let's go to Henry, who is calling in Texas on line three. Henry, go ahead. Yes, sir. I I wondered how the hell is Jackson able to get a hold of the information, and who's giving it to him?
Yeah, I mean he uh was subpoenaed for the information, and you know the Trump organization. Listen, now look, if you're a Republican donor, if you're a donor of any political campaign. A lot of this information, not all of it, is public information. You know, if you give over a certain amount of money, it shows up on many different websites. You can do some deep dives and and find out what people donate.
It's why it becomes very controversial when some people make a donation to a political campaign, and it may go against what their public statements seem. And you know, it keeps everyone a little bit more accountable. I don't know if that I don't know if I personally think that should be the case, but it is the case right now. But also. As they were monitoring things, who's gathering information via the Arctic Frost investigation?
You can subpoena organizations, companies, just like the phone records that were given over by the by the different phone companies.
Now, some companies did push back, but again, there are legal ramifications for this. And if you had an entire government looking down at you, this is the the reality of the situation.
So again, whether you feel like you should have that information should have been given or not, I think there also needs to be some things, Henry. When you're when you're making your own political donation, you need to be also very well aware of the public information that does get spread.
Now you may be someone who's not under the public eye or scrutiny of that, but even like your employer, you know they can look up your name and figure out and where you've donated. The main question is, though, why they would need that list to begin with? Why would you need a list of six hundred and seventy thousand people, or six hundred thirty-nine thousand? I'm sorry, I don't want to. I don't want to overestimate six hundred thirty-nine thousand people.
Why would you need that list? What was the goal of that list, other than to target people individually? Because there's no way that six hundred thirty-nine thousand Trump supporters, and again, these may be people who gave once. And then decided they weren't even going to vote for President Trump, or maybe a few years later did not. I mean, you had three opportunities to do it.
I, I'm sure I know plenty of them, who voted for him first and then did not vote for him again, and I know plenty that did the opposite. That did not vote for him first and then voted for him the next two times. But it doesn't matter. You ended up on this list.
So, I want to keep continuing to take calls. I am going to do that in the next segment, and then we're going to end the show a little different. You know, we we talk about sort of the big global impact, and like you may say, Logan, I've heard this already. I've seen this segment before. The ACLJ team, the bread and butter of the organization, what started all of this?
So much was fighting for students' rights. For people to have be able to have Bible clubs in their schools, to be able to do a see you at the pole, to you know, and a lot of this is now precedent, legal precedent for thirty or forty years. And the problem is actually when you get to this long, is when you can start seeing the world change, and what became legal precedent can quickly get flipped on its head.
So I take these cases very seriously, and thankfully, someone like you, one of our supporters, tagged me in a post. And said, "Logan, I think the ACLJ should get involved in this." And I sent it straight to our legal team. And guess what? We're now the attorneys in that case. In that case, could have ramifications for any of you who were had alternative schooling, Christian schooling, homeschooling.
Maybe you're homeschooling your kids right now, and you haven't thought about could this affect their future career. We found out this case in Nebraska that that is exactly what happened, and we jumped into action. We have a special presentation, special interview coming up a little bit later with Andrew Coates, who that happened to in Nebraska. But before then, we're going to continue on in this, and I want to hear from you at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. We'll be right back with more on Sekulow.
Welcome back to Sekulow. I do want to take some calls and comments in this segment, so let's go ahead and start with Tim, who is calling in Ohio. Tim, go ahead. Hey, I don't want to take a lot of time on it, but I just wondered if this Jack Smith list that you guys are talking about now—if that's ever going to be. Made public with the names, or if there's a way to look up online if your name is actually on that list.
Yeah, I don't think currently there is because this is just news that just broke. You know, this is happening right now that this investigation that Charles Grassley put together, Chuck Grassley was able to say, "Hey, we we've obtained this list." Now again, you may not want that list public. There's that whole yeah. We but we put out a FOIA request, so it may come back with the list. And look, if you we we make it that way, sure we can make it to where you can find out if you were on that list.
But again, that may not be something you want out there publicly.
However, if you do make a political donation, Tim, you are on. A searchable database. There's ways to do it. There are organizations online that specifically do this already that offer the services. You type in your name, where you're from, or someone's name and where they're from.
Boom! There's your voter registration list. Not voter registration. I'm sorry. There's your voter donation list.
There's all the all the political donations you've ever made over a certain amount of money. I believe, and I don't even think it's that high of a threshold. You can see. That's when you often look at like CEOs. A big major companies, they'll sometimes give to multiple organizations or multiple political campaigns at one time.
They'll get Republicans and Democrats because you can see they're just playing politics in all of it. But will this be a searchable list? I'm not sure. Hey, we got special guests joining us right now. My dad, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel here at the ACLJ, is joining us via phone right now.
Heard what we were talking about. I said I think it'd be good for you to chime in on this. Obviously, when it comes to Arctic Frost and to Jack Smith, no one probably knows much more than my dad, who is joining us right now. But when this new revelation comes, obviously a lot of people, Dad, have even called in and said, "Hey, I don't want to be on the air because I'm kind of nervous here." You know, we've learned that when we're We talk about the IRS, the FBI, and lists being made, but you know how? What can we do to protect ourselves in these situations?
But here's just the truth: six hundred and fifty thousand, or whatever it may be, six hundred thousand plus. Essentially, Republican donors or supporters were database by Jack Smith during Arctic Frost. Yeah, well, this tells you what was going on, and I said it from the beginning, and I will say it again today: the special counsels. Are a disaster every time they're appointed. I don't care if it's Robert Mueller.
I don't care if it's Jack Smith. The they were totally out of control. There was zero accountability, no accountability, and the Department of Justice was allowed to run amok. And basically, I mean, you know, here's the thing, Logan. We don't know twenty percent of it.
There's a lot more. Had a lot more coverage. Remember, Jack Smith was also going after Republican senators and congressmen. That's right.
We, when we talked about this, we, you know, our team kind of put together almost looked like a pyramid chart that showed the first thing that we felt was egregious was we found out that eight people, city representatives, that their phone records were taken. And then it became, you know, text messages from fifty plus. And then it became, oh, was also tracking Kash Patel. Oh, they were also tracking President Trump's family. And then now, though, the pyramid would just explode because you have pretty much a large percentage of people.
I said a lot of people are listening right now. Put on this list, and it what for what reason? Other than I mean, what could be a reason? They couldn't have been people who they were seriously considering, invest or were part of this investigation. Of course not.
So this was they they operated. Remember also of what was going on simultaneously with the FISA warrants and everything else.
So what you have is a situation where the Department of Justice, Jack Smith as a special counsel, was supervised by nobody, was never confirmed by the Senate. That's why, by the way, the special counsels need to go. I think it's it's. I've been saying that for thirty years, and I will continue to say it. But the reality is.
They were spying on American citizens.
Now you've got all this information about was hundreds of thousands of of documents from donors. By the way, the Supreme Court has said on multiple times that donor records are sanctosanct. They're protected. They don't have to be disclosed. Jack Smith, he didn't care.
He went around and did it anyways. All right, and a lot of the people who are calling in before we let you go, Dad, a lot of people are calling in or putting in their comments, are asking, "Well, what does this mean, and what could the ACLJ actually do?" When we say that we can take this to court or we can get another FOIA, some of this is just shining a light, and thankfully you have someone like Senator Grassley and this team shining a light on what actually happened.
So hopefully, it can stop this from happening for both political parties in the future. But then there's also more. Yes, and look, we have a government accountability project for a reason, and that is when the government's out of control, which in this situation it was. You have to get action.
So the first thing we'll do is Freedom of Information Act request. We'll fight that out. We'll get all the data. We'll compile the data. We hand it over to Congress, and then Congress takes its action.
And again, Department of Justice should be looking at Jack Smith, in my view. Yeah, and I think that that is probably the next best. I said of all the the President Trump's appointees, I feel like the Department of Justice and the FBI are are being run pretty well right now. I'm I'm pleased with how things have been going because look, it's an uphill battle when you have to go in and reshape, and when you know this. What was happening behind the scenes?
It's not that easy to just go in and completely remake these these committee or these organizations. No, we knew that with the IRS, and we challenged the IRS.
Now we won, and we got justice. But it takes a while. Same thing here. We got to stay on it. We got to be aggressive, and we don't give them an inch on this stuff.
What they did violates the Constitution, in my view, and it needs—they need to be held like accountability, and we can do that. All right.
Well, thank you for popping on here. I appreciate it. Look, if you want to continue to support the work of the ACLJ, I'm going to encourage you to do that right now. We still have a few minutes left. If you want to call in in this segment, one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten.
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You've heard the work CC has. You do hear about a lot of it, but there's plenty of it that you'll never hear about. But then there's individuals, and there's individuals who still come to us for help. And I have to say, if you were one of those people, never feel like it's any sort of pain to us to at least look at what is going on for you. If it's within our scope of the work we do here, and I think if you're familiar with the show and you're familiar with the ACLJ, and you can see it on the website, you'll know.
I mean, we're not talking about you know marital issues or things like that. Your personal life. We're talking about where your religious freedoms or your constitutional freedoms are feeling being violated. The ACLJ team is here for you, and we'll get you in touch directly with one of our legal team immediately. And told probably within days whether we can represent you or not.
And of course, when we represent you, we do that at absolutely no cost, and you're never going to get a bill. You're never going to get a bill from the ACLU team. It's not how it works. You may say, Logan, of course, how does that work?
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So I encourage you right now to go to one eight hundred. No, I'm sorry. To go to aclj.org to support. I only stumbled there right now because we do have a breaking news update that's coming in right now. Again, this was partially what we discussed.
The the AP has now reported that the FBI is now investigating suspicious letters sent with potential. Powder substances sent to elected officials' offices in DC in multiple states. Mail packages containing a pow—this is from the AP. Mail packages containing a powdery substance led to the evacuation this week of election offices in at least two states. Election offices—that's interesting.
Louisiana and Oklahoma. Of course, that is because we are just weeks away from the midterms. The Ohio Secretary and a lot of you know early voting is starting. The Ohio Secretary of State said the Postal Service intercepted a package containing white powder intended for its office, and that similar mailings had been sent to election offices or officials in multiple states.
Now we're able to; they'll probably be able to determine very very quickly whether it's a quote unquote hoax or not. But you know we have to take all of this very seriously right now. It's a it's a crazy time now. Look, this is nothing new. This is something they've been dealing with for decades.
I feel like you can go back to the old anthrax days and know that is discussion, but we have to take it seriously. And I am glad that the FBI is on it again. I think the FBI is in good hands right now. That being said, we are about to head to a break. When we get back, interview with Andrew Coates.
Again, that kid, not kid. I say kid because maybe he's half my age now. He's early twenties. Wants to be a career firefighter. In his degree in fire science, rookie of the year, volunteer firefighter, EMT, applies for a job because they put up a paid position to be a firefighter.
Science. I'm going to be a career fireman, and they say, "Not so fast. You don't qualify." He goes, "How do I not qualify? How am I not the most qualified?" Well, you were homeschooled. And homeschoolers can't be firefighters.
Can't be paid by, you know, the local city. How dare they? We don't even consider those schools real. And the ACLU team jumped into action. When you get back, you're going to hear from an interview we did with Andrew Coates.
Again, you got to support the work of the ACLU at ACLU.org. Be right back with more on Sekulow. Welcome back to Sekulow. For our final segment today, I wanted you to take a look at the special interview we did with Andrew Koch. Remember, he was the homeschool graduate who wanted to be a career fireman, and of course, we found out there was a ridiculous reason that they disqualified him.
And the ACLJ team took action. Here is our conversation with. Andrew Coates in Nebraska. Andrew has a wild story, and for anyone who cares about the rights of homeschoolers, and by the way, I am a homeschooler. Will was a homeschooler.
My children are homeschoolers, so it hits pretty close to home when you have these situations where there are people who have spent their lives dedicated, obviously, to service and so many different things, and then they are. Specifically targeted because they were homeschooled, or they are homeschooling in general, and that brings us. To Andrew, Andrew, welcome to the show. We have such an interesting story for you to break down because your story—it doesn't have to do with being a current homeschooler. It has to do with what happened after when you decided I would like a career—a career that everyone thinks is one of the most noble professions.
Yeah, thank you for having me. Absolutely.
So let's break that down. How did this story start? Because you've been working successfully, you've been working professionally as an EMT, qualified, trained, and then you've also been you've been volunteering at the fire department. How did this happen? Yeah.
So I actually volunteer on a town close to me for about two years now, and then I saw the opportunity for Fremont that opened up, and I decided I just wanted to take my shot at it. Yeah, and and things devolved fairly quickly. Will you want to? That's right.
So in this story, you you apply for the job and then get turned down for a very specific reason. What tell our audience what that was and and how you found out that you were not going to be hired as a full time firefighter in the city of Fremont. Yeah, so I sent I went to go apply. Sent all my stuff. The next, I got a phone call after the deadline the next day from the HR director, and she said my application was being withdrawn because my high my high school diploma was unaccredited, and I actually just couldn't believe that for a minute because I graduated under a lawful Nebraska school.
So when she told me that, I was actually kind of shook that that was the reason I was being excluded from the process. One of the other things here is that it was just the fact that you know they had something on the books that said homeschoolers cannot apply. They actually changed things after the fact to make sure that the regulations back up what the HR individual said.
So this wasn't something you could have in a. Advanced, gone, and find out. This specifically was discriminatory against you because you were homeschooled. Yeah, I. I mean, I can't speak to what the intent of the person's heart may have been that day, but it definitely seems like.
There, there was an attempt to keep homeschoolers out, especially after changing the job requirements after the closing date of the job. Again, you're someone who is very well qualified for this position. Beyond this one, very nuanced, and I would say ridiculous, as Will said, discriminatory rule set. Because look, we need people like you who are willing to risk their lives in these positions. And I think anyone who has dealt with local fire departments, police forces, anything like That EMT is like you.
You want people like you, who know what they're doing, who are qualifying the situation, can do the physical requirements that are needed.
So the fact that we are disqualifying people because of something like this, like you said, you can't speak to the heart. That it feels like a deeper reason. And look, homeschooling is very important to us. And what it sounds like is that. Respecting and being able to protect homeschoolers, even beyond yourself, seems important to you.
You know, I was, you know, obviously homeschooled, and I know what that's like, and I had a great time being homeschooled, and. I just feel like we need to stand up right now, especially if homeschoolers aren't even allowed to work for the city right now.
So it's just it's kind of crazy to me, honestly. I know, Andrew. This isn't something that you obviously were looking to to get involved in. You were just wanting to be a firefighter.
Something that you had been doing. You'd been doing as a volunteer basis. And and by the way, also you were awarded. You know, rookie firefighter of the year. You were you were.
Have received praise for your job and the job that you do on a volunteer basis, but now that you're in this, you see. I know homeschoolers; our faith are normally very important to us. There are reasons that we homeschool outside of just we know that we can get a good education that way as well. But, but now, what does this feel like? Does it feel like something that, as you take this story to a Wider audience that that there is something here that needs to be pointed out.
To one, ensure that people in in Nebraska, where you are, are not discriminated against for the way that they and their parents chose to educate them, as well as maybe even nationally, where this might be happening other places. That we need to point out and ensure that that laws are applied equally. That people aren't discriminated just because of a. Legal education that you received and that is recognized by your state. Yeah, I I think this this is a fight worth fighting, and if it's I mean if it's recognized by the state, I I don't see what the issue would be.
So I yeah, no, you were definitely right, Andrew. I wanted to jump into sort of the heart of the story here as well, which is you've decided that this wants you wanted this to be your career path. Why is that? Why is being whether as an EMT or a firefighter? Why was that the journey you have been on, and why is that important to you?
I started in law enforcement, kind of following my dad's footsteps, and he was like, "Don't don't do law enforcement. He's like, go go try firefighting." And then we actually had I had a friend at the time that worked for our family business, who actually was a Fremont firefighter, and still is. And he was like, "Hey, you should try firefighting." He just he talked to me about the fire service and like really just good things about it.
So he just kind of encouraged me to go try fire school.
So I did. I went to went to go fire one, took hazmat ops. Really, really, and just enjoyed the hands on training experience and just really I. Fell in love with the job at that point, so we've just been chasing the job for about two years now, and we've loved every step of the way.
So I also think it's important to point out: one, we've mentioned that you've been obviously volunteering in that way; you've been doing other. That you're a licensed EMT in the state, but that your this isn't as though you graduated yesterday and went and applied. You're you're 22 years old now. You have been out of high school for some. Period of time.
I think even that to to point people to the that you have life experience. This isn't just you know that they found a way because they were looking for someone with more experience. That's when our legal team looks at this. The deeper we dive into, we see this is is what appears, and that's why a litigation hold letter has been sent to the city to be prepared for action because it it is on its face, it appears discriminatory. It seems like it violates the free exercise clause.
All of these things. This isn't. They just found a way to look for someone with more experience. I mean, I would, I would definitely say I met the minimum requirements of the job. I definitely have some experience in the field that I was looking forward to bringing with me to Fremont Fire, and then I mean, I don't know.
I mean, I even almost meet kind of the Preferred requirements, which is an associate's degree in fire science, which I graduate hopefully in the spring, so I'll have that too. Andrew, I appreciate you popping on and spending time with us today. I know that it's important to you; it's obviously important to us. Keep Andrew and his family in your prayers, and really, we're going to fight back hard. This is something that, again, I have to thank.
One of our ACLJ supporters for bringing this to my attention, so then we could take it from here. All right, that's going to do it for today's show. I appreciate everybody watching, everyone listening. If you want to support the work of the ACLJ, I encourage you go to aclj.org right now. Again, that's aclj.org.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
