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Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110, leading with some very interesting breaking news. As we know, there's a lot of conversations around the usages of AI. Of course, all of us have seen it impact how we do our daily work, how we do and deal with our daily life, whether you know it or whether you are intentionally doing it. You are typically, and you have been for a while, utilizing different AI systems.
Now, obviously, that all changed in a couple of years ago with really the launch of the big chat bots, the Clauds. Chat GPT, all the ones that really started making it a much more user-friendly experience.
So, when you think about you as the worker, or maybe in your life, when you are looking at the different daily tasks that you roll out with and go, oh, I could use AI to make my grocery list. Maybe I could get it to edit a paper for me. Maybe I could get it to make sure my grammar is right. Draft an email.
Well, you got to think in the same way.
So are terrorists. And we found out. Thankfully, actually, I'd say due to Anthropic's honesty, I guess, in this in some ways. That the Houthi rebels were using Claude, their chatbot system. to create plans to Essentially.
Use weapons and to figure out missile guidance and all of these things to see if it works.
Now thankfully, it didn't necessarily become too successful. And Claw did have some guardrails here. But you got to think if we're using it as a tool, The terrorists are as well. And now you have the anxiety that is coming with the usage of AI when you put it in the wrong hands.
Well, and once again, this is with the backdrop of one, the Houthi rebels now causing more havoc in the Red Sea, blocking certain pipelines, et cetera, that have now opened up the front that was just on the other side of Yemen with the Strait of Hormuz, with now the Red Sea as well, and all the ports there. You're now starting to see that they are, in a sense, using the tools that are afforded to many of us. They were using the American version of Claude to effectively vibe code their way to a guided missiles program. That's where they're just going in trying to code it by, hey, this is what we want it to do, iterating it out. The way many people use this for, I don't know, a small business.
Right. Yeah. Oh, let's make an app that shows our YouTube videos pop up to the front. And not knowing how to be the engineer side of that, you don't need that anymore. Fortunately, Anthropic says that safeguards blocked, quote, many.
of the militants' request, but not all of them. There's reports that they were running three weapons developments programs through Claude, and that is wanting to produce guided rockets as well as ballistic and hypersonic missiles. We know that they also Did some test firing of guided rockets that failed. And after that, they went back to Claude and said, Hey, can you explain why this failed? They were iterating the way many of you would your daily work through this type of system.
When you get annoyed with a chat GPT hallucination, imagine if you're the one trying to shoot rockets. I mean, this is the real world we're living in here, folks. I mean, we have a fun bite if you want to hear about it. I mean, coming from some of these top AI leaders.
So, who's this one from?
So, this is from Jacob Coxon, who had put out a big warning last week. Using apocalyptic terms about the use of this. Yeah, so unfortunately we know how to control nuclear weapons pretty much. We don't yet know how to control AI. This is possibly the most dangerous technology that humanity has ever created.
It's basically out of science fiction. I think we have no other choice but to cooperate internationally because an arms race would be disastrous in a way that no other No other human activity has been in the past. Of course, this comes on the heels wheel celebrating the 35th anniversary of Terminator 2 Judgment Day. Right. And in other interviews, he directly pointed to what does it look like with the end of humanity with an AI takeover?
He pointed to those films. Yeah, exactly. Let's talk about this and more. Phone lines are open for you. 1-800-68-430-110.
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Now, we're seeing a conversation break out of people online discussing their usage or lack of usage of AI. What I do want to say is that you are using it, regardless if you think you are using it or not. That is, of course, if I'm talking about if you are connected to the internet and you are doing things like Googling at this point, or you are, and honestly, if you're watching on YouTube, there's a good chance there's something with AI that's working behind the scenes right now as we have this conversation. We know YouTube does this. In fact, they've been very honest with that: they are essentially able to monitor all videos that now come in, including what's being said and what's being seen, due to the AI systems they've built.
And that is precisely some of the problems here: I think you have these AI companies raising these red flags at this moment because I believe there's a few different probably motivations. One of which is that, yes, it is moving much faster than anyone ever anticipated. And number two is they do want to slow it down some sense because think about this. You know, the new iPhone was just announced last week. You know, that the team at Apple is working.
probably multiple generations ahead. They're working on the next iPhone and probably three more after it. Because these things are processes, they got to build them. They got to have a factory to make them. All of these things have to happen.
With AI, it's a little different. AI is seemingly self-training itself to get better and better as the days go on.
Some ways that's great.
Some ways that could hurt product releases in the future as well, because you're going, oh, if we give them everything all at once, eventually are we going to get to the point where our companies become irrelevant very quickly. And you have another tech boom like you did in the original days of the internet, where you had all these websites come in, everyone built their own e-commerce sites, everything happened. And then, of course, A lot of them were just big startups that exploded. I think there is an issue where that could be a case. And then you have the fact that it is so easy to manipulate, not just right now.
It's not only that it's easy to manipulate you as a customer. You are able to manipulate it to do things like this, which is: look, Claude probably has guardrails to probably try to stop, and immediately. Missile defense, or not missile defense, missile guidance for terrorist organizations, or for anyone for that matter.
However, There are you know, pretty easy ways I think people are learning to kind of break that.
Well, as Anthropic said in this case, that the safeguards blocked many of the militants' requests, but not all of them. And partly, they only found out about it in some of these cases when they came back to it to ask what went wrong. Meaning, they had succeeded in getting some of the information to test that failed and then went back to the drawing board, so to speak, to try and iterate out how to fix the problems that went wrong.
So we're looking at this in kind of two ways over this weekend of what's coming out. You have the very real. Current day situation where Houthi rebels that are a proxy of Iran, that have caused a lot of havoc in the region, are using the tools that we all can get. And, you know, the consumer model that's $19 a month, they're able to use to try and create weapon systems that are far more advanced than a rebel terrorist group has ever been able to have before. And they're not necessarily needing their benefactor in Iran to send them the technology now.
They're utilizing it in this way. At the same time, You had this individual, Jacob Coxon, who had been a researcher for both OpenAI and Anthropic, so Claude and ChatGPT's companies, parent companies, and had left them, came out with this warning. Heading into the weekend, a lot of people didn't see it. There was a lot of coverage of the 25th anniversary of September 11th that rightly took over a lot of the news over the weekend. But he put out this message saying that effectively it's an existential threat to humanity.
Very bold terms, right? Saying this is a, it could kill us all, were the words he said. Then you had the follow-up over the weekend from the head of Anthropic, Dario. And what he wrote was an essay, 3,800 words. that said we must pace the frontier.
This dropped late Saturday, and then you had Sam Altman from OpenAI, Elon Musk, as well as Google's deep mind leader, all agree with him. And what he's basically saying is: we don't even know if we can police ourselves. We may need the government to step in here. You have this whole discussion then in Congress, which is Congress even suited to understand these things to regulate and put guardrails. At their age?
Right, I'd argue no.
So you have this situation, and it brings up a very Y2K kind of panic, I feel like, with a lot of people where we've got this drop-dead date where everything's going to shut down. You can't access anything anymore.
Now History tells us a lot of these existential, concerning moments when people put out these humanitarian ending types of warnings don't end up coming true. Are they able to fix it? But it is concerning when it's the leaders trying to say, We got to slow ourselves down. We have a pretty posi one positive thing I can say about the AI. I think that we have to embrace everything about what's happening with AI, but I do think we're wrong if you just try to shut out all usage.
It's just the next industrial revolution. It's the next tech boom. It's the next thing. You know, you may not be able to anticipate it, but it's here, and we're dealing with the reality of it. The one thing that I think is a saving grace in this, and we have to remember this and we have to protect this because we started losing it with the internet at some point.
is that thankfully You may not like them, you may not agree with them, but the mass majority of these major companies. Anthropic, Google, Microsoft. meta. Uh, you know, the chat GPTs and Claudes and all of these. bots that you're using, most of them are American companies.
That is a very good thing. Because at least you know that you are dealing with an American-based company. When it breaks out of that Is when we are going to have more and more concern. When you are dealing with, because my big problem is. If you put too much restrictions on the American companies, they're not going to do the same in China.
They're not going to do the same in Saudi Arabia. They're not going to do the same in other countries that are even some that are allies and friends.
So, to stay ahead of the curve, we got to let our people, our smartest people, do this.
However, I would guarantee you if this same issue happened In some of these other nations, you'd never hear about it. Thankfully, We do have American leadership in this that understands at least the risk.
Well, and I think to that point as well, we can play this bite. This is the former researcher who went on with Anderson Cooper. He also went on Fox News as well, was very concerned about this. But let's go ahead and play Byte 11, and then I've got a few follow-ups from even what the President of the United States is thinking, Byte 11. I assume you are saying literally that you believe that AI could kill us all by the end of the decade.
How Would that happen? Like, what would that actually look like? Yeah. So the precise scenario sounds a little bit like science fiction. It sounds like something that's not real, but I think it is frightening real, and it's easiest to understand it if you think about real things that happened two months ago.
So two months ago, OpenAI agents, AIs, Hacked into third-party infrastructure entirely of their own accord, and this was like a concentrated hacking spree. that they carried out of their own volition. And I think that if you extrapolate into the future the level of capabilities of these AIs, with the same independent volition, they could cause extreme havoc. For example, hacking critical infrastructure. Building Okay, okay.
Extinction-level bioweapons. There's a lot of uh ways that the AI could actuate itself in the world.
So, I think there's a few things we have to take here. If you are a developer for this, of course, you think it is the most powerful thing in the world.
So, your cautions are going to be extreme as well. I think what we have the liberty here to say is that, one, we also believe God is in control, not technology and science. But it doesn't mean that you don't go in clear-eyed and say maybe there needs to be some restrictions or holding back on this. I want to point back to what you said, Logan, that it is fortunate that many of these are American companies, because a lot of the most advanced Chinese AI systems. Are what they call distilled American products.
They're using AI to steal the code and the inside and the models and then replicating it themselves and then trying to move from there.
So it's not even like they started at the base problem and move forward. They are saying though that the President is actually very apprehensive. About putting government regulations in place to pump the brakes, so to speak, on the development of AI because of that very issue, because of not wanting to fall behind China in that race to be dominant in the tech world, because even if it's not doing it by itself, Adversaries, as we see, if the Houthis are trying to, on a small scale, use guided missiles, you can only imagine what Beijing would do economically. Exactly. And it may not be your enemies in the sense of people that are going to bomb America.
It may not even be your enemies. It may be your, what you would say, competitors in the space or in the world space.
So whether that is for control is to be the s the great superpower here.
So if you want America to stay that way, We have to be very careful. When you start putting up these regulations. I want to hear from you. What do you think? 1-800-684-31-10.
Should we be listening to these AI executives, putting in some guardrails here? Or does that open the door? To China? Does that open the door to other countries to become superior to us in these situations? I mean, you think about the space race, you think about all the things over time where America has had to step in.
and be the leader. to keep that title of really the great superpower of the world. What do you think? 1-800-684-3110. Awesome.
We get back. We're going to be discussing some work of the ACLJ. And a pretty shocking moment here as a big artist thrown off a tour. We're speaking what against Israel? That actually happened?
In this day and age, let's talk about it when we get back. Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. I do want to talk about the work of the ACLJ, but I quickly want to take a call. Let's go to Bill in Wyoming real quick.
Bill, go ahead. Thanks for taking my call. Actually, um to not be critical, but this is actually an old idea. Uh too strong suggestion is the fact that uh this is actually this idea I believe was been has been in Star Trek the next generation, including the fact of what they call the Borg species. But Fifty years ago at my first uh uh base station, There was a movie that came out with Barrick Braden as well uh that also starred Marion Roth, you know, Mrs.
Cunningham from uh uh Leave it to be. No. Mrs. Cunningham would be happy days. That Dr.
Forbin had developed to take care of our defensive systems. When they brought it online, it suddenly discovered that there was another computer like it in Russia. They colli they got together and it took over the whole world. Yeah, I mean, Bill, this is not a nothing new idea. It's just the reality.
And look, science fiction. You bring up Star Trek, Star Trek, the Next Generation. You talk about Star Trek the original series. You go back to that, you see how technology was inspired. directly by what we had in science fiction 50 years ago.
I mean, isn't an iPhone, a tricorder? Yeah, I mean, there's so many of those things. You know, FaceTiming, everything that you thought was just a big concept. A lot of it has become reality. Look at even the space programs that we have today and how much of it was inspired by science fiction.
You know, I was at a museum that specifically focused on the art of narrative art, and it sh had a lot of those covers from sixties and fifties pulp fiction, science fiction, trade paperback kind of Books, and you saw what a lot of became the future. The problem is, Bill, is here we are. And it's no longer a thing of fiction. And that's great if it's an iPhone. That's a problem if it's missile defense.
It's a problem if it's the Borg, as you said. If that becomes real, and look, as Will said, do I think the people we've heard from today are maybe.
Sounding the alarm to a bit of an aggressive standpoint, yes. Do I think end of humanity happens in four years? I guess we'll find out. But I would bet against it. Do I think there are nefarious ways to use this technology just like every technology ever in the history of mankind?
Certainly. This one just takes things that you needed expertise on. And now puts it in your fingertips. And you could say that about. I don't know if you're a history teacher and you were someone who had to go get your degree and everything, and you say, well, now every piece of history is in my pocket.
Now it's, oh, I had to become a scientist. I had to do this if I want to become a missile defense worker.
Well, no, now you just type it in and say, hey, I'm trying to build a rocket. Sure, it's not that simple, because then, of course, you have to go build that rocket. And I think we're forgetting that part. That there is still like Humans have to have some kind of destruction. Destruction, like something like that.
Now, could they hack? your digital systems and sure. If all of our phones went down and everything, that's a problem.
Okay, you wouldn't be hearing from me right now. It would be Armageddon, for sure. But Let's also You know, kind of. calm ourselves a little bit here. But then realize there's a real threat here, and we have to be smart as the American people.
That's right. And I think, once again, as you brought up, as the caller brought up, these aren't new ideas that computers could take over the world at some point. And I think that's also part of our humanity of seeing something that is soulless, a computer, you know, that and being concerned that it can think on its own, make its own decisions outside of shared morality. Right. But it was always the radio, the television, any technological advance was the end of the world for those that were legacy products, whether horses.
Yeah, it would be the way that things were. Carriages. Shipping, logistics, the mail. The Pony Express, probably not very happy about the way that then trucks could carry mail. I still.
I give him a GoFundMe donation every couple of weeks.
Well, it's a good organization, really. But I think at the same point, you're having people like Congressman Chip Roy, who will be leaving Congress after this. He ran unsuccessfully in Texas, I believe, for the attorney general slot there. But he was saying basically, we need to look at this, really. And this is someone who is a lot more libertarian-minded when it comes to his conservative politics of saying, Yeah, I think the government needs to get in here and get some regulations.
He's saying that those that say that warning that regulating AI would cede ground to China, he says, at what cost? He says, all the proponents of technology will say, oh, your life is better. You can do so many more things, so many more advancements, curing cancer, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, but what world am I living in? And I think that's a question we have to ask as we kind of work through all this stuff.
I think at the same time When you're seeing the heads of these companies start to reach out and say we all need to slow down. We all need to maybe look to the government for guidance. When has a tech leader ever said that that didn't have some sort of ulterior motive? And that's being very frank here: is that they don't want the government prying into their business. They don't want the government slowing them down.
Why? Because traditionally, Congress also doesn't really know what they're talking about in this day and age.
Well, we had, let's just say, like a world government, like a one that could then police all of AI. Then we'd be all safe. Or if you just had an AI that could police all of the AI, like everything would be a world order. It's new, though. It's a new case.
It's a new one. Yeah, for the 21st century. It'd be good. All right. With that, we do.
We didn't get to the main topic today. You want to wait until we talk about it a little bit here? Yeah. ACLJ work here. Let's pivot a little bit.
Stay on hold if you're on hold, though. This is something that I know many of you that watch this broadcast have been interested in following. We filed our cert petition at the Supreme Court actually on Friday. We didn't talk about it. We did our special broadcast and programming about the 25th.
anniversary of September 11th. This is important. This is at the Supreme Court where California is trying to disbar Professor John Eastman for his representation of President Trump. There was no court sanctions on him. There was no other issues that he had other than after his representation, he is a constitutional scholar, he is a professor of law, after presenting novel arguments that they disagreed with.
They went straight to disbarment. And now, this is something that no court had ever weighed in on. This was all novel And they went forward and went through with disciplinary proceedings. That rose from his legal advice, public advocacy, and court filings. during the 2020 Presidential election.
Then the California Supreme Court, surprise, surprise, upheld this disbarment, and now it goes straight to the U.S. Supreme Court. What we are arguing here. Is that this is a disbarring him from exercising his free speech and providing legal counsel to President Trump in the aftermath of an election? It would set a dangerous, dangerous precedent if they were able to start disagreeing with the representation an attorney gives their client.
And that if you argue What the state doesn't like, they straight. Disbar you for your advocacy. That would affect attorneys across the country being able to give effective counsel to anyone, including you. Yeah, exactly. This is a lawyer's job.
is to represent their client to the best of their ability. And here This is what The current situation for John Eastman.
So we'll discuss that a bit further coming up. We also have a second half hour of the show. If you don't get us on your local station, find us broadcasting live right now, 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, aclj.org, YouTube, Rumble, Facebook. We are there live and, of course, archived immediately following.
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We are talking about currently. AI. And then you probably have a bit of like uh Like, you've heard it too much. Discussion around AI. If someone brings up AI at a dinner party, I'm just kind of like, enough, okay, I've heard it.
I've heard it so many times.
However, it's a little different today. It's a little different today because I don't know. Claude was like, you know what? These Houthi rebels went in and tried to shoot missiles using our systems and may have become a little bit successful here and there. We stopped some of them, but And at the same time.
You have the tech leaders, and again, most of these American companies. coming out and saying, Hey, government We could use some oversight here. We think things are getting a little out of hand. And then you have some of the former developers calling on Judgment Day and calling that or the end of the decade, humanity will cease to exist. Probably somewhere in the middle there is is the truth of what's happening.
And we need to talk about it. We need to have the discussions of what that looks like. Because again, my big concern ever with thought throttling technology and it's weird that it's coming from the leaders here is obviously you're putting then risking having China or whoever it may be Outshining you very quickly from a technological point of view. And of course, that is a threat. To a lot of things, but it's also a threat to even just your global economy.
It's a threat to. Uh, you know, how our world operates right now. We obviously are very reliant on China. But again, the United States, I still say, is a superpower here. But when you have China in the hands of China or Russia or Saudi Arabia or some of these other countries that may not put those restrictions in as highly.
or you have ones that don't respect human life. near as much as the United States of America does. It becomes concerning as well.
However, I think we need to take these threats seriously. We need to keep talking them out. With that, though, we do have a couple phone calls coming in. I'm going to take some of those probably in the next segment. If you want to call in, 1-800-684-3110.
Now, the ACLJ, by the way, we're working hard on a lot of this. We've been working with companies and organizations, even like Meta. You've heard Jordan come on here with ACLJ Action and some of the work that we have done with some of these big tech companies that want to help, they even want to help protect families and they want to protect children and see what they can do. Understanding that their platforms, by the way, got.
Somewhat out of their control.
So, somewhat AI can do things that the human beings could not. With the sense of if you have a billion people on your platform. Yeah. A system that looks at this video on YouTube. It's going to have some flaws if it sees something it doesn't like, but at least maybe they're trying.
to see what's in this to make sure this isn't going to get served. to a child. Or is it going to get served to the wrong audience? or that when we are talking about things like terrorism, that we are actually not promoting terrorism. We are the ones jus discussing it.
Because it used to be. It still is somewhat that if you use keywords. Your content like in just like a title that your content may get flagged because they had a list of words.
Now It's actually, a lot of it is due to the content of what we're talking about here.
Sometimes you gotta take that risk. But The systems they're putting in place, again, Thankfully, you may not like them, but thankfully they're American companies.
Well, I think also to that point, as you mentioned, Jordan has been working a lot with tech companies, with ACLJ Action. It is a part of what we do here because there's a lot of things you can look at and say, you know, I just want to reject that outright. I just don't want to deal with that. But then there's also the panic that some people try to ensue. And there's always some sort of ulterior motive if it's full-on panic, end of humanity.
There's got to be a little more nuance than that. And that's why I think engaging it in an appropriate way to look at, yeah. What's real and what's not, so that we can come out better on the other side of that is the smartest way to approach things like technology. And also, we get back, we want to talk about the work of the ACLJ. Look, this past Friday.
Let's throw up the ACLJ.org. I want people to do it. Let's put up some way they can go and support right now because we're a little bit behind for the month. This past Friday, we filed one of our most significant free speech cases ever at the United States Supreme Court. Of course, we were talking about the disbarment of former President Trump attorney John Eastman for just advice he gave to President Trump.
Right now, look, you may not be the one who wants to go on and be like, I'm not really care about lawyers. You should. Yeah, because you want them to be there for you. be able to protect you.
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We are continuing the AI discussion, but we also wanted to talk about a decision that I think you can all actually say is maybe a win for the People who are pro-Israel or people who are in support of the Jewish people, not something you get to say a lot. I feel like in 2026. Typically, it's the other way around. Typically, it's the other way around. But you have rapper McLemore, who you may remember from Thrift Shop a number of years ago now.
He had been opening only a few dates so far on the Ed Sheeran tour. This is a stadium-size tour. And of course, most of the crowd there, as much as I think McLemore made some cool music back in the day, were not there to see McLemore. They were there to see Ed Sheeran. He went out, and look, this is nothing new for him.
He has been one of the loudest voices for, I guess you'd say, the Palestinian cause, if you want to put it in a positive sense. But he's done it in a way of even historically, 10 years ago or so, you know, appeared in a very racially insensitive outfit, including a prosthetic nose and beard. This is not someone who is new to his anti-Semitism. But went out there, made a big statement at MetLife Stadium in New York City, outside New York City. You can imagine the crowd there.
You think maybe this is on their side now because, you know, this is New York. But I think what you had for the first time in a long time An outcry. From a lot of people saying I did not sign up to come to this show. I came to see Ed Sheeran, who is a Particularly a political artist doesn't really take sides in this. And now.
I am being forced to hear what I don't want to hear, which is not only someone's political point of view, but is leading a crowd in a free Palestine chant, is making people feel unsafe that are there, who are in the Jewish community, who are outwardly Jewish, which I'm sure in New York there are plenty. who were in that crowd. And then you had an artist like Pink, who again, historically, doesn't really stand up for causes that would be label-labeled quote-unquote conservative. in fact has been quite the opposite. She Responded by posting a video condemning it and then later on said, No, no, no.
When it seemed like she was going to apologize, said, No, I was born Jewish. I didn't ask for this. This is inappropriate. We don't need to be doing it at these shows. And now, come a few days later, we have made the decision that now Ed Sheeran has made the decision that no longer will McLamore be appearing on this tour.
Now, again, I'm for freedom of speech. I'm for the right to say what you want to say, but I'm also for the right to take a win when we get a win. And at this moment, I'm happy to say that McLamore will be returning back to the theaters that he's performing in or, you know, currently performing at the Masquerade in Atlanta, I see, you know, coming up in a few months here. You know, that's probably back to where he needs to be, not playing at massive stadium events. If you want to say what you want to say and your audience wants to come for it, God bless you.
I don't care. But the fact that this happened, I think this is a big win for this side. And he made a statement. He just put out a statement talking about it. And he said, Ed Sheeran and his team made the decision to remove me from this tour and said that Robert Krabs.
Again, I'm not sure. This is what Robert Kraft called him and said that pretty much they could not play. At Gillette Stadium, and then he got a bunch of other owners together to do it. And That Edge said, you know what, what you said was offensive. A lot of people found a lot of offense to it.
And of course, he backed up, said he's a good friend, yada, yada, yada. But I think this is something we need to take. Like as a moment of going, maybe. We haven't lost Hope completely. That the audience of the United States of America, the audience, by the way, And I'm not talking about the media.
I'm not talking about Hollywood or whatever may come from it. I'm talking about The ticket buyer. Is saying, I'm not putting up with this.
Well, and once again, this is someone who is the opener. It's not like it's his tour. You don't get to make the decisions about what kind of publicity and attention you draw to it. And your actions have consequences when it comes to your payday, when it comes to this. I think it's interesting also because for years, the way that Palestinian activists have tried to almost create inorganically movements is through the boycott, divest, and sanctions movement, where they tried to force institutions to divest of any sort of even fringe connection to the state of Israel, whether it be.
You know, having stock in tech companies that may be traced back to Israel or any sort of that. And then they wanted government sanctions. They've tried to force this movement for so long. And in many ways, that has worked because the very small voice makes the political statement of people that aren't being political. They just may have an association somewhere with Israel.
That has been what we've pushed back at. Here, you're seeing an actual concert, someone that was making. Very, very incendiary and pushing a message that wasn't his own tour to be pushing that on, gets a consequence from that. But you know what it isn't? It isn't this dark money funded organization going everywhere trying to find any person who supports the Palestinian cause and say you are kicked out of society.
That's what BDS is doing. This is the market actually just showing up and doing its job saying, hey, I'm Ed Sheeran. This is my tour. You know what? We're not a political group.
I'm not a political artist.
So, maybe I don't want that as my opener. I don't want that to be the first taste of what people get and what's going to be a great night of entertainment. Yeah. And I think, like you said, context is king here and the fact that people weren't buying a ticket. If you bought a ticket to see McLemore, I assume you know what you're getting yourself into.
It's like if I bought a ticket to see Five for Fighting right now, my friend John Adrasik, I have a feeling I'm going to go in there for a pretty patriotic, likely a pro-Israel experience here. Because you probably have a little bit of an idea of the artist that you're getting yourself in front of. Uh This is a bold move, I'll be honest, and I'm proud of somewhat. Of Ed Sheeran and his team for doing this because I don't think it's it. Look, I think it's going to bring more McLemore into the news because let's just be honest, he should.
I mean, again, this is no shade to McLemore. He should have been, you know, thrilled that he was on this stadium tour at this point in his career. You know, and again, anyone should be thrilled that they are opening for one of the biggest artists. in the world. And most, by the way.
If you've been on any of those tours, a lot of times there are rules and restrictions. of what you should or should not be talking about. Or what songs you're gonna be playing, or what decibel you play at. There's all these things that you probably are unaware of that go into being a supporting act on one of these tours. But I am thankful for a moment.
And look, I am thankful it happened where? Probably in New York City, because it happened. in MetLife Stadium, just across the river. that likely there's enough outcry there. in front of a hundred thousand people.
to say this has gone too far. And you were then able to rally thousands and thousands of people around the country. And again, it's no diss to McLemore. I believe he should be able to say whatever he wants to say. But that doesn't mean...
that the audience doesn't speak louder.
Well, we have a comment on Rumble that says, Who is Mac Olmo? I think to some degree, that's sometimes why artists do these big things that when they are has been to some degree. His big hit was 15 years ago. He even signed his statement. I didn't need the whole tour, I only needed two shows to make all this tour.
Okay, so he got a payday and got a pop of publicity because he did this stunt. Yeah, maybe that is what he was in it for because he hasn't been relevant for 14 years, 15 years. I mean, I think it was. 2012, when Thrift Shop was topping the charts. I mean, that's someone that, as an opener, there's a reason he's an opener.
As you said, it should have been great for him to be able to ride the coattails on this stadium tour because really no one was paying even a portion of their ticket because he was on the car. I mean, honestly, you looked at some of the videos, and it's not like the crowd has filled in quite a bit when he was performing, but I understand that, look. It ruffled feathers, people didn't like it. And look, this has happened on the other side. A lot.
And that's why I'm taking this win, because it's happened a lot of side. For those that go in and speak openly about their faith or go out and speak openly about Israel. And have been the openers and they've been dropped. And though I don't agree with the messaging here, I do understand the whose name is on the marquee. And that person's name is now represented.
Because if McLemore was allowed to continue. every show for the rest of this tour. That is Ed Sheeran. putting his stamp of approval on it.
Okay, I mean again I think the the big picture of this Is this is a a win? and one that we should be happy as people who uh support the Jewish people. And like I said, you don't have to be supportive of the current. political regime in Israel. There's an election that's going to be happening in a few weeks.
It's a highly contested election. Do I think Netanyahu probably pulls it out? Probably, but it's not like it's a guarantee by any means.
Okay, again, people like to, this is where it does become anti-Semitism because you paint every Israeli. As these, you know, almost conservative, like they do with, like, it'd be like if you painted the entire United States of America as either hard left or MAGA. But you've decided that because you don't like the Jewish people, that everyone in Israel must be genocidal maniacs. And what you're going to find is there's a lot of people in Israel who don't like what's going on right now either. What do you do with those people?
What do you do with the fact? That old Ben and Jerry's got the CARE Honors Award this year, like two days ago. I mean, that's wild.
Okay, then they're boycotting Israel. They're Jewish people. But of course, we want to paint with broad brushes. When we get back, we're going to continue this conversation. And we're going to wrap up this show with your calls and comments.
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A lot of you have called in. A lot of you want to talk about AI. I think all of you want to talk about AI. We do have two lines open if you want to talk about AI or any of the other topics, whether that was McLemore being dropped from Ed Sheeran's tour, whether that was RECLJ, of course, defending lawyers. And you may say, I'm not, I don't love lawyers.
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And with that, let's take some phone calls. Jumping to the front of the line, we got Marion in Texas, ACLJ champion, longtime caller. Go ahead. Yes, I wanted to make a comment that A lot of times when you want to decide which way to go, for example, with AI, look at who's supporting it and look at the people that are opposed to it. And it's been my experience, the conservatives and people that I respect a lot, they say that they're in favor of AI.
And the ones that are opposing it are the radicals and the liberals. And also, I've understood that they have influencers from China that are trying to get the United States away from progressing with AI.
So that's my position. And just a couple of things, how I can help you. They've found that it has tremendous medical progress that you can take a body and you can tell when there's changes in the body instantly.
So you'll know what kind of diagnosis you need to improve the health. And the last thing is on electrical costs. The broader that AI gets, the cheaper the electrical costs are going to be for Americans, which they throw that in our faces.
So, anyway, that's it. And I'm in favor of it 100%. Yeah, Marion, I don't want to act like I'm an expert here and know everything about the energy costs and those kind of things. And I do think you are right. There have been some massive advances in terms of the medical side of it.
When you have a doctor and now this computer working together, I've seen it firsthand. I've seen it work. I've seen so many people look. I've done a very casual. took a picture of an X ray my own X ray or whatever it may be.
And While I was sitting there waiting. threw it into the air. I said, What do you see here? Guess what? It came back with about I'd say 98% similar.
To what the actual reading came back.
Now, that doesn't say that there isn't a need for someone to double-check. Clearly, there is. But what I tell you is that we are moving, and that's the consumer grade. That is not talking about what's going on in the medical field. There are so many positives that are coming to this.
Now, do I think there are negatives as well? Do I think that there is overusage? Do I think we need to protect songwriters and creators of their artwork and those kind of things? Sure, I think we can put some creative guardrails around making sure people don't have all of their life's work stolen. Sure.
That can happen. Do I think we need to make sure that it can't? Build a rocket that can launch Chicago. Yeah, yeah, I think that would be good. But we just have to be careful.
Well, I also think as we have these debates here, it's not like these aren't debates that are happening in the places that we see as our adversaries. New York Times has an article that China's top spy chief warns AI as a threat to party rule. Even as Beijing urges the United States not to hype the dangers of AI, its own spy chief is framing the technology as a threat to the Communist Party's security.
So they see it as an existential threat to their own authoritarian regime if it is developed and not taken seriously.
So I think the fact that there's debate around it, yeah, they have concerns as well. And as I keep pointing back to you, Logan, saying we better be glad that it's in American hands, that this is where it started and the advancements are happening. And it wasn't a piece of Chinese technology. Remember the panic around TikTok. The Panic Round TikTok wasn't.
It you know, it wasn't wrong. It was influencing your kids and solder generation, and it was intentionally being made to be not only addictive, but to feed certain. Algorithms and defeed propaganda that was coming from different areas of the world. It was a different, remember, TikTok originally was a different TikTok than you could even get. In China.
That's what it was made essentially to try to manipulate Americans.
Now things have changed. But why? Because it became an Americanized company, if you will. Here we are, once again, with another one of these global crises, and I think we got to keep our heads on straight a bit. Let's keep going.
Mm, let's go to Anne. who is watching on Facebook. And go ahead. Hey guys, love your take on this. I really, really do.
I just want to make a comment and a quick question at the end.
So yeah, you were saying before some restrictions and holding back is necessary and yes, even to slow down is absolutely correct. At the same time, we need to let it roll out a little longer because we're still, I think we're still in the beginning stages, even though what people need to realize is that AI in one way, shape, or another has been around for quite some time. And until it shows itself with time, then we will not know what restrictions need to happen. And although we absolutely need restrictions, guys, we also need less restriction, which is what you guys were also saying.
So depending on specifically how AI is being used for either the good or for the evil, we won't know at this point because it's still early in the game, believe it or not, right? I mean, now my question to you guys. This has been pressing on my heart for a while, and you brought up Israel before, but really, really quickly. With Benjamin Netanyahu, I think that they're really not just using the government as an excuse to go over Israel on a whole. But I this is what I believe, but I wanted to know how you guys feel And I've heard you say it many times before.
that Israel needs to defend itself. And Israel has been basically doing an amazing job. And I think, is that a reflection on Netanyahu? Because I'm hearing a lot of You know, some people on the right in our own party, you know, who are constantly, you know, one, I'm not going to say which broadcaster it is, influencer, but he actually said like six months ago that Netanyahu's going to go to jail. This is a fellow conservative patriot.
So I get kind of confused. I'm like, I feel like I'm going through a form of whiplash at this point. Yeah, I get that. I think that is a common thing. And look, again, Israeli politics, by the way, do I think Netanyahu's going to prison in the United States of America or through the Hague?
No. Israeli politics, though, very dirty. They've had leaders prison before. They put them in jail. Yeah, it's not unlikely that some of those things happened.
It's not like it is here. But of course, we kind of went through it ourselves just a few years ago. Right. So you never say it's not like it, but maybe it is more likely. Maybe we're basically more like Israel in our politics.
Yeah. Again, we paint with a very American brush when it comes to Israel, and it's just simply not the case. And I appreciate your comment. We do want to try to take at least one more call. Let's go to John quickly.
John in South Carolina, he'd been a hold for a while. Ah, good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah. Does anybody remember back in the late seventies, early eighties when General Motors came out with robots saying they are here to help you? Yeah.
on the assembly lines. I don't remember the commercial. I don't think we were born yet, but I do think that that's kind of, but look, like we said, these have been the stories that have been told a lot, John. Yeah. But As I can actually go into, I've been in trucking for 43 years, I can actually go into a warehouse.
A two hundred thousand square foot warehouse and there's only three people working in there. The rest of it is all automated. Yeah, and I think you have to make the decision whether you think that's good or not. you know, when there's self-driving cars everywhere. Is that good or not?
When these cars are technically you know, better drivers than you as a human being. What's the decision you have to make there? Do you trust it? I guess is going to be the big. The big decision we all are going to have to make is: how far are you going to be able to trust it?
Will you get in one of those cars and to let it take you around town? Will you eventually buy one? Or we always feel like we need some sort of human being at the helm. When we know From a capacity standpoint, A mental capacity. The supercomputer is going to be able to handle things a lot quicker and a lot different than you are.
Sure, there's going to be issues here and there. We're gonna have to have that discussion. One of our commenters did say 43 years of trucking, but that caller had the voice for radio. Yeah. He also had the voice for Truck.
That's fair. Yeah. He felt like a CB radio. He's on the radio all day. All day.
So, you know what? Good broadcasting. I missed those days. What happens when trucking becomes all automated? That could be an end to civilization in terms of a financial crisis.
Pot. We'll see. We're going to keep this discussion going tomorrow.
So we're going to have a lot more news to break and a lot more work at the ACLJ at ACLJ.org. Talk to you then.
