LA Mayor Caught Using Fake Poll

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Welcome to Sekulow. We made it to a Wednesday. Can you believe it here, August 19th? Will Haynes in studio, Jordan Sekulow in studio. We got a packed show for you.

We're going to be covering a lot of different topics. And look, yesterday took a swerve here at the end as we start talking about tire pressure issues, tire concerns, pothole problems. And that story continues to roll on. But really the story, as much as we don't want to spend all day, every day talking about what happens in the state of California, they just give us so much fodder every time we can talk about California. In this one, you have the mayor, Karen Bass.

Once again, this time. Kind of caught.

So do we want to lead with a pothole problem or do we want to lead with a political problem?

Well, I think it shows how much the government of California and Los Angeles are in shambles at this point of unable to do the basic functions of government. I'll be visiting soon, so that makes me feel real good. And then when you have someone like the sitting mayor who is running again against Nithya Rahman, this obviously this primary was huge news because of Spencer Pratt's candidacy. And then all of a sudden Nithya Rahman is able to take that second place even after she was crying on election night. We see that as they're looking towards November with the runoff, as it's called, because of the jungle primary system, that Karen Bass was touting this poll that showed that she was surging against Nithya Rahman.

She even put it out there and said, you know, she had 50% to 39% doing the work, showing up, and gaining momentum. Let's do this, LA. Guess what? That fault poll was completely fake. The company that put it out, Media and Strategies, admitted it was completely fake.

They have since shut down, but they were doing what they called a social experiment. Yeah, so let's just say this: they were intentionally creating a fake poll to see if the political figures would actually do their own research to find out.

So, I mean, they have a little bit of trickery. There, because there's a lot of poll companies going on. But again, kind of exposing what actually happens in these political structures. Yeah, I mean, you've got your internal polling. You share that usually, but the other side thinks that that's not what you're supposed to be.

Yeah, they think, oh, that's got to be for their own political reasons. They called the right places. They got the right answers. They asked the questions the way they wanted to be asked.

So then you look at your opponent's poll, and usually your opponent's poll is, and especially if it's someone who's down to you, and they're somehow trying to come up four points every time they do a new poll, even though the situation on the ground hasn't necessarily changed.

So do you believe either of those polls? Really, not until election day can you decide if was either of the polls truly accurate. We had that in Tennessee and in the governor's race with Marcia Blackbird. And at the end of the day... There's a couple polls that were saying there was surge numbers coming for the opponents to Marsha.

And at the end of the day, I think that race was called about 10 minutes after the polls closed. We saw that again last night in some races as well where there were some shows. But there were also some that were just. You know, supposed to be a lot closer than they were. And what I think it tells you is, we live in an age where polling is just very difficult.

And the truth is, that polling company making up a fake poll, honestly, In a state as big as California, May be as accurate as what a real poll could turn out to be, depending on who actually answers that day. Yeah, we'll see what the numbers may show.

Well, and once again, I think this all goes to show that campaigns aren't vetting these polls. The media wasn't vetting these polls. They ran with it. But when we get back, We're going to show video of, because that, it was a very telling. Uh post by Mayor Bass saying we're doing the work.

We're gonna show some other posts that she has made of doing the work. And it ties into that tire story from yesterday. And when you see this, it shows a complete and utter failure of the most basic role. of a mayor As a leader. As you said, when we get back, we're gonna do that, and phone lines are open.

We also saw some elections, as Jordan said, out of the state of Florida that may make you think, hey, Even the Democrats in Florida are at least a little bit more rational than what's going on around the world. Florida really does seem to be, where California seems to be the land of crazy town, it feels like occasionally. Florida, even on the left, seems to be doing a little bit better job. We'll talk about that coming up. But look, last days.

Of our impact match, be a part of it at aclj.org. Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you also at 1-800-684-3110. Talking about polling across the country, but really talking about what's happening in LA. At the same time, you may remember Rick Rinnell was on the show yesterday and got people real fired up about an issue related to potholes, and of course, related to the new suggestion that the government.

Control the tires of your car. And it seems like potholes seem to be an issue that LA has decided to really highlight. This is one of my favorite pieces of government media that I've maybe ever seen. It is unreal. As we talked about this yesterday and people said, no, forget the tires, pay attention to fixing the roads, which you know what?

Most basic The role of government is to pave the roads. Make sure there aren't the potholes.

Now, the mayor of New York made some very polished videos where, like, there was a missing drinking fountains, and someone called it out, and he went and they installed new drinking fountains, et cetera. Like, he's trying to show: look, I can do things as a mayor, which. Is kind of your job to get those basic services of the city fulfilled. Karen Bass, who's the incumbent mayor. Former Congresswoman.

has a a big election in November. Tried to copy that playbook. Of Mayor Mondami. Try to go with the let's do a flashy social media thing, responding to someone asking us to do our basic job. And we're going to play this for you.

This is something that was put out by her office. Yeah, and bragging. This is something that they set up as an excited announcement of how they can handle your problems. They could have done a lot of different versions of this, they could have really spent time. This is what they decided was the final release.

Go ahead. Hey, Mayor Bass. I found this pothole here on Melrose and Gardner Street. Hoping you could just send some folks down here to just remedy that for us. Hi, Simone.

I saw your post, so I want you to know that City Crews were out here today at noon. But unfortunately, there was a car that was here, so we couldn't repair the pothole.

So you know what we did? We put up these no parking signs so that hopefully there won't be anybody parked here tomorrow morning and the city crews will be back. In the future, if you have any problems like this, you can call 311 if it's graffiti, if it's a pothole, or if it's just random trash.

So thank you, Simone. Thank you for being a great LA citizen. We're gonna get this done. We're going to get it done. Will win?

Die tomorrow, maybe. My favorite part is one. They didn't say, hey, let's come back tomorrow and film this. It was, hey, Hey, we saw your message. We couldn't do what you asked.

We put up a no parking sign to freak somebody out that they're going to get a ticket because this was parking when they park here.

Now it's not. We're going to produce a video. And what this shows you is they were like, we got the mayor. And the mayor is probably like, I'm not coming back tomorrow. In LA, that could take 45 minutes to that one pothole spot.

I don't know where that was exactly. Yeah, here's my favorite part at the end, too. There wasn't audio, there was just music. But she pats herself on the back for a job well done by saying, while I was in the area, I supported local businesses. And it shows her getting a milkshake.

But why? Why not wait a day? Like, I understand the idea of saying, hey, we have this system. Staff out to go make sure it's accessible that you're going to come in. 3-1-1, or just don't put out the video.

You know what? Just realize. Don't put that video out. Yeah. It's not going to work.

Like, our idea didn't work. Let's move on. This is some political ego that comes into you going, well, we could show we did something here. But what you're showing is, yeah, you said you frightened the driver who had been parking there. Probably fine.

And also, you could have waited one day or a few hours and gotten this handled and actually had a pretty cool video saying, Look, you reported it, you post on social media, our team is taking action. Not our team took action, but unfortunately, we failed.

Now, I want to contrast this with something else she put out on social media just yesterday because we see that she's trying to show, and it's hilarious because those of us that know the failed policies of places like California where the government isn't meeting the basic job description for the people that vote them in the office and how high the tax dollars are in California and in Los Angeles. Here's a post she put out yesterday.

So she can't fix the pothole. But here's what your taxpayer dollars are also doing in Los Angeles: play bite one. Your donation to our campaign is more critical right now than ever before. Let me explain. Thanks to LA's Supermatch program, every qualified donation from Los Angeles residents is matched six to one by the city.

But after the primary, we had to start over from scratch.

So we need you to rush your matching donation right now to help fuel this campaign. Chip in $5 right now and the city turns it into 35. Chip in $25 right now and the city turns it into $175. Make your matching donation today. Thank you so much.

Now, look, I've had to read that copy before, very similar. I'll probably have to do one a little bit later today. But you know what? It's a little different here. Right.

The difference is it's not the taxpayers of Los Angeles funding her campaign.

So if you as a resident, right? I mean, one, we used to have publicly funded Presidential campaigns in this country. We went away from that.

Some people would be like, Well, there were less ads on the air. Maybe that was a better time. A six-times match from the city to the campaigns of it's going to be Nithya Rahman and Karen Bass. They're funding the two people, one of which can't fix the pothole, and the other of which was a failed candidate on city council or a failed member of the city council. No wonder they can't fix potholes.

They're so busy funding their own politicians' campaigns. Yeah, I mean, that's a wild one to put out when, in fact, what you're saying is we're already using the money that you pay us in taxes.

So give me a little bit more and I will get more of that money. In fact, six times more of that money is just what, sitting around in the coffers of L.A. County right now when in fact, or the city of Los Angeles when in fact, I mean, you've got a serious issues there. Not just potholes, by the way, but those skid rose, all the issues that L.A. is facing, all the kind of missteps that Karen Bass made as mayor of Logan.

And when you look at that, you say, you know what? Bad, bad for the pothole, bad again on these, there's this match. I know that they do have it there. I'm sure the other candidates take advantage of it, but it's just like saying, give us more of your money so we can take more of your tax money and use it for ourselves. For our own advertising, our own political PR.

I mean, that's the main thing. And look, we've always said this, and it's true. The reason we spend a good amount of time talking about California and New York is we do, number one, believe they should be thriving areas. These are cities that are really have been, at least have been, as we've seen a lot of Exodus to Tennessee and to Florida, have been the ones that have driven a lot of our economy, driven a lot of our tourism. Have been the shining cities that everyone knows around the world.

They know Los Angeles, they know New York City. But we have to be able to call them out when these things happen because what we want is not to abandon. I see some people saying that, you know, there's just the worst. No, we actually want these cities to thrive. We want to see New York City thriving.

We want to see Los Angeles and Hollywood thriving. We want to see areas of this country that historically have been so important to us, not only economically, but culturally. To have these moments where they can bounce back, but you have to call them out for them to be able to bounce back. And we know California, as we've said many times. Probably the biggest state in terms of ACLJ support comes out of the state of California.

So it's not like we're sitting there talking about a place that has no relevancy to the work that we do here. We know how important it is to those, especially in Southern California and those in Northern California, by the way, who have been ardent supporters of ours since the very, very beginning. I'd say, really, the creation of this happened very much. Out of the passion coming out of evangelical Christians in the 80s and 90s in Southern California.

So we do feel passionate about it. Like I said, I'm there in a couple of weeks. This is a place that is very important to us. But we're seeing it being destroyed, and you're seeing again. The wrong steps over and over and over again.

And it feels like the people voting are still making these bad decisions.

Well, it also goes to show where, if you are a Democrat, let's say. Why I think you are seeing so many of these DSA candidates that have terrible ideas economically and and about government. But if you are someone that is on the more liberal side of the political spectrum, it makes sense when you have a career politician like Karen Bass, who was in California State Assembly, Speaker of the California House, and then becoming member of the House of Representatives, then coming and being the mayor of LA. Go and put out these two types of videos. One showing I can't do my job effectively.

And also asking for money that's going to be six times matched by the taxpayer, the same taxpayers that are just hoping that pothole gets filled in. It makes sense, if you're a political scientist, why people that are disaffected in the Democrat Party would be looking for something new, because this isn't cutting it. Clearly, what do they know how to do? ask for more money, raise taxes to get more money, and not fix the basic needs of the city that they run. Yeah, look, we only got 45 seconds left in this segment.

I want to take a minute. If you want to actually have your your your dollars matched in an important way, You can do it today. And not by taxpayers. Not by taxpayers, by other ACLJ supporters and champions who are ready to unlock their pledge. Great time to do it, people that want to do it.

It feels ridiculous doing this right now, but you know what? We have a lot of battles ahead. Your support today goes a long way at aclj.org. I do want you to call in. Whether you're in California or anywhere around the country, this is important.

The next segment actually is going to be very interesting. If you've been caring about the work of the ACLJ, you work in a church, you work in a nonprofit, stay tuned for this. We have some interesting things we want to cover. We'll let Jordan kind of walk you through some new changes. And again, if we're talking about California, we got to talk about also.

The thriving state of Florida. We got to get to there in a little bit, too.

So we'll be right back. Yeah. Welcome back to Sekulow. I do want to take some calls.

So, 1-800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110. I can take some calls in this segment. I can take them throughout the rest of the show because it's just me, Will, and Jordan today. And of course, we'd love to hear from you. But we do want to pivot a little bit to the work of the ACLJ and ACLJ action, something that, Jordan, you've been passionate about, you've been working on.

And I know this can get a little in the weeds, but I think it's important for you guys to hear this. We're going to talk about it kind of at 10,000 feet. We've got all the information up at acljaction.org.

So, for many of you, I know because of traveling around and speaking at churches and religious events and ministry events that you work for ministries.

Sometimes, you know, you're listening on in the background. You've got your Christian Talk radio or streaming online or you're watching right now. And you may work for a church or a religious organization that has been around, a ministry that's been around for, you know, could be for 100 plus years. That's not uncommon when you. Drive through the United States of America around some of the churches and non-profit ministries as well.

And when all the investment and retirement laws were coming together around the 1930s. Churches were excluded from some of the future plans, like 401ks, and what they were they got stuck in what were called these 403bs.

Now, listen, if you're happy with your investment plan, we're not telling you here how to invest the money. What we're trying to say is that people who work at charities, faith-based charities, should have the same investment opportunities. As those who work in the private sector, and I'll give you this example: in the private sector, you've got your 401ks, but you can also invest in CITs. You might say, well, I don't even know what a CIT is because I don't, I work at administrators, I've never had that offered to me. And that's true because under the current law, it can't be offered to you.

And the CIT is when you collectively invest funds. It's done through banks. And so the costs are lower than mutual funds because you're pulling together this larger amount of money so you can make bigger institutional purchases.

So while you put your account and you add to someone else's account, and maybe it's churches from all around your region, the bank, which by the way, heavily regulated. This one, the CITs regulated by the banking industry, the 401ks and those are regulated by the SEC. And we believe that the SEC can do this on its own through rulemaking, that they don't have to pass new legislation. Though we do also believe there is new legislation, I don't understand why it would be partisan at all. Because all it would do is give faith-based employees, from the pastor on down to those who work at the ministry, who have been stuck in the 403B plans, the opportunity to talk to their investment advisors for the church, for their retirement fund.

I mean, these churches have hundreds of employees, so they've got big funds. to have the option of adding in one of these collective investment trusts. And what you do there is that you are pooling investment money together. All the other for-profit companies can do this in the United States of America.

So every business, this is the kind of odd thing, Logan. We know that the people in ministries and churches are getting paid usually less than people on Wall Street. Right. But Wall Street financial services employees are investing at a cheaper and better rate than church employees can even have access to because the law. I mean, I'm seeing comments coming in.

People, literally, what a person is putting, that's what I'm doing right now. I'm listening from my office in our church.

So this is, we know, especially in, if you're listening on the radio, but even if you're watching on YouTube, that this does impact you. And I know, again, it can get a little heady, but we put up all the information. You made sure that people can actually find it to break it all down.

Well, and Jordan, I want to go back to something you said. Remember, these laws and structure of a lot of these accounts were created almost 100 years ago. Right. And so when you think about that, it's things that aren't Thought about by a lot of people often, and for good reason. You know, if you're sitting around all day and that's what your focus is about like the different structures of retirement plans and how the either the SEC or the IRS or anyone treats that, then you're probably a CPA.

But other than that, that isn't something people want to think about all the time. That, though, is one of the benefits of supporting the ACLJ or ACLJ action: we have experts. We have the contacts to make things go through this. Things that really will drastically impact a lot of people's lives in this country that most people would never think of. We can make a positive impact.

We can have parity on this. We can make sure that if just because you work in a church or a non-profit, you're not actually penalized by the structure of our financial system. It costs you more money to save right now today if you were in the 403B plan without the option to join a CIT plan than anyone in the private sector. If you are stuck in a 403B plan, and you know that if I'm talking to you right now.

So, what we have is U.S. Senator, a good friend of ours, Katie Britton, Alabama, has put forward the Invest Act. That's the legislative tool that would make this the law of the land. There is a secondary way to do this because we know right now, Congress, midterm elections, how will they turn out? We don't exactly know yet.

There's another way to do it, though. The SEC will still be part of the. Trump administration. The SEC can do this by their rulemaking power. They were supposed to do it when they rewrote the rules, but ministries, for whatever reason, and faith-based organizations did not make the cut.

What would be stopping that? It is, again, it was just something that I think investment companies weren't coming to the churches, and the churches weren't asking. They were used to operating this way. And so they were used to it. We've got our financial manager.

We do it this way. You come here. This is how we do our retirement funds. And they weren't thinking. Also, sometimes people get afraid of, well, do I want to change into one of these?

community investment trusts and it's not regulated by the security service this is not by the way you don't take all of your money and say i'm taking everything out of my 403b i'm putting it all into the cit that the bank is offering that is not the case what it allows you to do is diversify your retirement funds if you work for one of these faith-based institutions that at this time is not allowed to take advantage of what every other private employee and private employer is in the united states of america and if you go to aclj action.org you can find out more information this can be done through sec rulemaking it can be done through katie britt senator britt's legislation as well the invest act we're going to continue to be behind it when congress returns could be something we could get through even in that that session before the november elections or even when they return after the November elections, because it shouldn't really be a partisan issue at all. It doesn't matter what the political makeup of the religious or ministry is. We don't care about that either. It's just about having a level playing field for Americans who are working in our country, especially Americans who are working, providing services in the faith communities. And they're always doing it at less of the income levels we know if you're working in the non-profit sector than if you work in the for-profit sector.

They should not be punished for saving money and they shouldn't have to pay more for saving money than investors on Wall Street. And once again, I think that's why it's so important. These issues are the type of things that Jordan is working on and his team are working on all the time that you may not hear about. But it is important to show people that, you know, at the ACLJ and ACLJ action, we truly believe. That standing up for things like your First Amendment rights, your freedom of religion, your freedom of speech.

Shouldn't come with also a price tag. You shouldn't be punished for choosing to go into ministry and things like that. And here is another example of finding ways that our system. Maybe imposes, not necessarily on purpose, but imposes restrictions or punishment on people of faith because their choice was to go into ministry. And so I think it's important sometimes to showcase these things to our audience that you may not even think about existing.

And I think it's cool, Logan, that they're coming to us. Organizations like this, companies are coming to us for our expertise in dealing with Congress, in dealing with the federal agencies like the SEC, which again, you might not think ACLJ, SEC, but remember, ACLJ took down IRS.

So we do have a lot of work that we've done with agencies and we understand their rulemaking power. We also, of course, understand Capitol Hill and when something should be bipartisan like the Invest Act, so that any, again, faith-based ministry. Has the same retirement plan options available to them as any for-profit company. That's all we're asking for. Yep, second half hour coming up.

Join us online, aclj.org. Or again, however, get your podcast. We are live and archived. Be right back. Keeping you informed and engaged.

Now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now, your host, Logan Sekulow. Second of our Sekulow, thanks for joining us. Phone lights are open for you.

We're going to take some calls: 1-800-684-3110. In the next segment, we're going to head not only to the state of Florida to hear about the elections that happened down there and how they rebuked. A lot of the sentiment that is happening around the country because you know what? It seems like Florida is one of those last few states where even the Democrats tend to vote in a way that's at least somewhat rational. We'll talk about that in the next segment.

We'll be joined by Jeff Balabon, head of ACLJ Jerusalem.

So you can probably guess where that conversation may be heading. We are also talking about, of course, the state of California, what's going on there in the state of polling. In general, let's actually quickly take Mary real quick in Georgia online one, who's got a question I think a lot of people ask in the year of 2026. Go ahead, Mary. I want to know why people put so much into polling.

when most of us have cell phones and cell phones block that kind of a call, so we're not told at all. Yeah, Mary, I think a lot of people have this conversation a lot. And even some of us that, you know, maybe the call makes it through. You know what I'm saying? Quote unquote polls I've hung up on because I'm like, I don't know who this is or who's calling me.

A push poll or a push poll. And like, I always say, no, thank you. And it didn't used to be that way. I used to love when you get a call from one of those top polling companies. I get to be involved in this.

And now I feel like everyone's just trying to steal my data.

So I say, no. And I hang out bottom. And I think Mary does that as well. And I think a lot of people go, How are they even conducting these polls in 2026?

Well, once again, this is something you and I have had disagreements on for a long time because I love statistical analysis. And you've always been like, these polls, how with this such a small sample size, are you getting there? But here. Who said that? Oh, we have had this discussion for a very long time.

That's not what Mary said. Right. But here's where we're going. Who's picking up the phone? Nobody.

Nobody. Here, I think the polling companies would argue they can still get a good sample based off their methods and go forward. That's good. Here's what you guys have to do. You look at what Median Strategies did here.

This is their quote: Median Strategies was created as a short-term social experiment to examine how purported polling information could enter and spread through political information ecosystem without independent verification. They proved their point. They also did one of these polls. For Francesca Hong in Wisconsin, that showed her up 20 points. It never got discovered that it was fake.

And what did she do? She lost that election. Can you get in trouble as this company? Because I salute somewhat their concept. The idea of saying, look, all of this is fake.

Your politicians are not actually paying attention to what's happening here. We created a completely fake poll with no data behind it. And it didn't matter. They ran with the number, started running advertisements, spending your dollars that you donated potentially to then run ads about how well they were doing in a poll that was completely fabricated. They didn't do their due diligence.

I commend the sort of whistleblower nature of this, but the question is, are there consequences for these people? Here is, I think, what's really interesting as well, because they talk about that they didn't pay anyone. They weren't aligned with any campaign. They clearly had some advisors that were legal advisors of showing you need to be sure you do these things so you don't get in trouble. Yes, if there was money involved and it was a prosecutor wanting to go after, you could come up with things that look very much like fraud charges or things of that nature if it was for profit.

I will see if there's any other laws, maybe state laws that are in Wisconsin or California, or even federal laws that may have been wire fraud, things of that nature, if a prosecutor is interested in looking at it. But it clearly appears. Their experiment, they tried to do everything right so it didn't look like it was for financial gain, which could have definitely, I think, gotten them in trouble. In the next segment, we're gonna be joined by Jeff Balabon. We're gonna head to not only ACLJ Jerusalem.

We'll get an update on what's going on there, but to the state of Florida, which had some primary elections with some pretty controversial characters, some well-known names. And I don't even know what kind of movement you'd call them, but people that you've seen on your ex-feed, I'm sure, countless times. And of course, some of them were up for election. And it looks like Florida. May have done somewhat the right thing.

What does the rebuke of these candidates mean for the state of our country? We're going to talk about that coming up, and then I want to hear from you.

So get on hold already: 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. Got a bunch of lines open, ready to take your calls. You know, we spent a lot of time talking about California this morning, and we decided, you know what? And even yesterday, Maybe we need to shift to the other side of the country.

Go down a little bit. Let's get to Florida, where maybe things are a little bit more rational. They always say the free state of further Florida. And maybe you saw even the Democrats in Florida. have pulled a little bit of a fast one here saying those DSA candidates, those anti-Israel candidates, all of these people, no, thank you.

This is not what we want in Florida. I actually saw some of my Floridian Democrat friends posting kind of very celebratory Posts about thank God we voted a way that at least is somewhat rational and didn't succumb to what the DSA has been pushing forward and what these anti-Israel characters who have really tried to take over the party. And I think it's important, Jeff Balabon's joining us now ahead of ACLJ Jerusalem to say maybe, and look, Florida can be an anomaly here as it has a very large Jewish population and a large conservative population, but saying, you know what, we're slamming the brakes on what's going on countrywide.

Well, I think a lot of that sounds right. The other thing I'm hoping is, you know, the level of insane rhetoric, for example, in the primary against Randy Fine. Which is on the Republican side, was so beyond the pale that it may be even not in Florida, or in a less normal insane states. I'm hoping that that would not pass muster. But I mean, the rhetoric has gone insane on the extremes, and it doesn't matter which party, the extremes have just taken this beyond anything America can really tolerate or survive.

Well, and Jeff, as you mentioned, I think some of our states, I mean, in our primary here for Congress, I got a text from a candidate that did not move forward that said something to the effect of, you know, the frontrunners backed by AIPAC and foreign powers.

So that's entered into some of the Republican primary stuff around the country, but it wasn't as aggressive as what you saw in Florida. What did you see? You saw Dan Bilzerian. Post an actual Praising Hitler ad on X that was going after it showed horrible tropes of AI video of Randy Fine growing horns. It had this weird thing of referring to the Austrian painter, obviously saying Hitler was right and we need to get rid of this Jewish member of Congress.

At the same time, you had people like James Fishback, who was running against Byron Donalds. A huge portion of his campaign was just riddled with anti-Semitism. I think that in one case, it's great. We are very happy to see that there was sanity. But it's still that concern's still there.

It was defeated. But as the left likes to talk about the Overton window and what is possible.

Now it's possible for someone to be a candidate that outspins a sitting congressman. Still loses, but is just fine using Hitler ads. I mean, that's where we're at. That's got to be reckoned with at this point in the aftermath of this, even though they lost as candidates. They still got there, and that's what's concerning to me.

That's right. They get there. They get a huge amount of support financially. And as you say, the overton window is being shifted.

So to lose an election, but now you've advanced what's considered okay in political rhetoric. Look, it's also, I don't know if everyone understands this in terms of viewers understand this. You know, the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, they can't control necessarily who runs on their lines from up top. In Washington, the National Party can't say to Dan Belzer and you can't run. That said, they can and should.

Condemn rhetoric for people. It's easy for Hakeem Jeffries, the Democrat, to talk about how anti-Semitic Danbles are. And it's easy for the Republicans from Mike Johnson to talk about how anti-Semitic some of the leftist Democrat candidates are. But what we need to see is each party. Do some measure of policing itself.

This is not even a First Amendment issue. We're First Amendment lawyers. These are free associations. This is not the government stepping in. They, as political parties, should be pushing back on when it emerges in their own.

It doesn't help to fight back in the other sides, honestly. That just politicizes everything. And it's almost like waving a red flag at a ball, cape at a ball. increases the anti-Semitism. They really have to police their own parties.

And hopefully we'll see more of that if they're seeing that this is not good at the polls in these primaries, that these parties start pushing back, certainly on the Republican side, where this is still relatively new. Yeah, and look, I'm looking at the chat right now. And as always, I mean, we have people on all sides of the issues. We have some people just saying, hey, Logan, team, you know, you're not remembering anti-Israel is not saying that we're anti-Semitic. And of course, that has been the common message that has been tried to be put out there, even by a large section of the far left or even some of the left Jewish community who has started this conversation, has made.

That's a harder distinction when you're trying to have this conversation, trying to make it a little more palatable to the American people. But we saw, though, you know, Jordan, and you can even talk about this: you know, our friend Jaron Mosquitz, who's a Democrat who's been now serving for quite a bit of time here, runs away with the election. Yeah, he's running for his third term, and he was the Florida Emergency Management Director, which some liberals made a big deal of because he did that under the DeSantis administration. He, of course, was the state representative for the horrible shooting that happened in Parkland. And then, as a state rep, was able to pass some common sense reforms on the gun legislation through a very Republican, very conservative state legislature in Florida and signed by their governor.

So he got kind of appointed up. Usually, you would be dealing with that in emergency management with hurricanes and weather issues in Florida. He ended up having to deal with COVID.

So his kind of name got more recognition.

So he decided to. Take that and serve his community, which is the kind of Boca Tone Parkland area.

Now, the districts have been redrawn to try and help Republicans. But even before that, he got targeted by the DSA as one of those pro-Israel they call him a moderate. I think all the difference between Jared and these kind of new Democrats, which he is in the age of, is that he wants to get things done for his constituents.

So, I guess that makes you a moderate now. He's willing to go on Fox News. He's willing to. Yeah, but he's not abending his convictions.

So, you know, when it comes to Israel, when he became a congressman, think about it, you know, four and a half, five years ago, everyone in Washington, D.C. That's not an issue. There were maybe two or three people in the House and Senate combined who were anti-Israel. And even they were kind of looked at as kind of loony. Usually now he's got mainstays in his own party.

Who are coming after him? They tried. He ended up winning by 70%. And again, it'll be interesting to see how the Republican, who is the mayor of Boca Raton, Who will be challenging Jared? How they try to make that an issue or a non-issue in that race.

And I want to jump to Jeff really quick because Jeff, I want to piggyback off of this, because I saw someone in the chat say, and this is why we have to do this over and over again.

Someone said, James Fishback isn't anti-Semitic. And I will say, I said he has been playing into a lot of that. But you know what he's for? BDS? He called Bibi Netanyahu a war criminal, said he's not welcome in Florida.

He has said that the state will once again divest of all funds to Israel. He has said he will not under any circumstances go to Israel or visit the Western Wall. Uh so Once again, and he's also gone with the trope that Israel is now going after Christians. He's taken everything that's been fed to him from Tucker Carlson, and he's repeating it, was repeating it, now he has lost that, but repeated it as a candidate for governor in Florida that came out of nowhere. He had some very interesting policies about protecting the natural resources of Florida that got him some visibility.

But, Jeff, He's parroting all this. You can say he's anti-Semitic or not, but one thing he did, he ran on the anti-Semitic vein that was very popular, unfortunately, online right now. And so that's what we've we've been seeing. Look, I feel as though we got a little sidetracked because Logan's talking about what a viewer is responding about Israel. But we weren't talking about Israel at all.

And this is the problem. They try to hide behind, oh, it's just Israel, but it's never really just Israel. What we were talking about is a Republican candidate. who saying that Jews have horns. who's saying that Hitler was right.

Saying that Jews, not Israelis, Jews, right? I'm not Israeli, I'm an American, I'm a Jew, right? That people like me should be murdered because we're born Jewish. That's what he's campaigning. He was campaigning on that, right?

That has zero to do with Israel. Their hatred for they're not anti-Israel, they're anti-Jew, and that's that's their excuse for beating up on Israel. And they're clear, and this is what we're talking about. That's that's already happening in mainstream politics. It's terrifying.

Yeah, and of course, we are a little thankful that these candidates lost, but they're not losing around the country. I think we need to make that clear. Florida may be right now an anomaly. Hopefully, it sets a standard for where the future may head. Jeff, thanks for joining us.

I really appreciate it. We're going to head into the next segment. I do want to hear from you.

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We'll be right back with your calls and comments coming up. Phone lines are open for you, and we will be able to get through a few more if you want to call in right now. 1-800-684-31-10. There's calls coming in about that. Polling hoax that happened, I guess you'd say, as people are asking about that.

Will, why don't we give people who maybe just tuned in a bit more of a history lesson on what we're talking about here? This happened in the state of California. We talked a lot about this in the first half of the show, but so before we take the call, I think we need to set it up. That's right. So it was discovered that a fake poll was being circulated by an organization called Median Strategies.

Sounds like a polling company, and that it showed Karen Vass was leading Nithya Rahman by 12 percentage points ahead of the runoff. It had all the data. It said, you know, 560 LA voters between this state and this date had the margin of error. Karen Vass celebrated it and put out posts on X, as you're seeing on screen if you're watching, that said, you know, we're doing the work, showing up and gaining momentum. Let's do this, LA.

We've also talked about the work that she was doing, not much of it. But then at the same time, They had also put out polls in Wisconsin for Francesca Hong, who lost her race, showing that she was 20 percentage points up.

Now, interestingly, in Wisconsin, The fake poll wasn't that far off from a lot of other polls that had Francesca hung up as well. But here's what it boils down to: they shut down. They said this was a social experiment, short-term social experiment, to examine how purported polling information could enter and spread through the political information ecosystem without independent verification. Basically, saying. Can we put a poll out there and everyone run with it?

In no news organization, no campaign, no one. Their bias, they run with it immediately. This is interesting because I wonder if what they did is illegal. That's what we brought up. And that's what, let's take this call real quick.

Yeah, that ties in. Tim and Colorado online one. Thanks for taking my call. My question is How do you distinguish or how would you characterize a fake poll versus a lie? In other words, if someone's putting out a fake poll, which I think that the news channel has called a hoax, Is that a lie?

Yeah, I mean, there's things that you can do in polling, for instance. There's push polling.

So, for instance, if I want to poll how people, what is going to work best against my opponent? I could poll the likely voters in my race and I could throw out these different terms about my opponent. A lot of wording. That's wording, right?

So, that's, and again, you're kind of figuring out what's, and then from that, you can say, okay, this is what resonated the best. That's not illegal. That's just testing messaging. When you're starting to tell people this person has a runaway lead and the other person's not worth even donating, it's like you're throwing your money away at this point. Are you interfering with an election intentionally?

Because what they're calling it is a social experiment. But what if you were someone who was working on as a consultant for one of those campaigns that said, you know what? Let's put out a poll that shows that our opponent is just so far down the list that you shouldn't even pay attention to it. I somewhat appreciate their, like I said. The trolling, but I also think this does play into the fact of is this illegal and could they get in big trouble?

Well, in Jordan, you know, they put out this statement and tried to make it very clear. You know, we weren't endorsed by any campaign or trying to influence for any campaign. Also, they said, but they also said no one was paid. They clearly had someone that advised them: here's how to try to make it legal. Because obviously, if you think anybody is paid, then you're looking at wire fraud and those kind of federal crimes.

But still, is there this influencing an election improperly that could be a problem? The truth is, I think that a lot of courts would look at this and be like, the way that polling is done now is very unreliable. And that's why it's almost better to go to your own base. For polling, like I was talking to you about, Louis, like what's going to get them most excited? What message works for the people that you need to vote for you?

Not so much, how are you doing in a race in the entire county versus all voters in the party? Because you're talking to your own list. When you start talking to just whoever picks up the phone, who is a registered voter who voted in the last primary there, you're just getting a random sample. And polling places are trying to implement that with online polling, tech. I mean, phone numbers being wrong.

Well, they want to become the new leader. A lot of the ones that let's say the legitimate polling companies, not these ones, they're trying to figure out how to do it because they want to show, look, our poll, our dad, they want it to be right. They want it to be exactly right to what the election ends up being. And what you've seen is some of these outliers. We had it in Tennessee and you had it in Florida last night.

Whereas you said, if you looked at it, there are a few. And a lot of times the politicians will run those because it's like, why not? And like we said in Tennessee, there was one that came out that said Marsha Blackburn was within a couple points. And a half points. Yeah, it was a wild poll.

Some wild poll. You end up winning by 25, 30 points, and the race is over in the first five minutes.

Now, the other poll in Wisconsin, that was a close race. What the poll saying was, though, she was going to be a blow, she was going to have a blowout win, not a close loss. But again, if this was a real polling company, They would not be facing illegal trouble. Likely. Likely, they would have gotten it wrong of Democrat voters in a primary because did you look at some of the numbers depending on like if it was a Republican pre-cing versus a Democrat or like who had races that were more contested?

I mean, sometimes in these primaries, you know, I mean, there were 60,000, 70,000 votes on total on one side and 300,000 on the other side. And just because one had a competitive race and one didn't to face off.

So. How difficult has it become for a polling agency to find those 20,000 to try and get a decent poll? Really, what I think you have to start looking at is you send in people into the communities weeks before you start going to the events. Are people who's showing up at events? Who's not showing up at events?

What are you hearing at restaurants, at coffee shops, at the local party offices? Because for primaries specifically, still becomes grassroots again. That's the way to judge. The judges are grassroots.

So, is an upstart DSA candidate really going to do well in a heavily Jewish congressional district, even though it was redrawn to be more 50-50 Republican Democrat? I don't think that makes it still more likely that those Jewish Democrats there are going to vote for an anti-Israel DSA member. And what they saw in Jared Moskowitz, my friend, in his race there, is that they would not. And that, again, they may have added a few votes by changing the district, but the real race will now be. The general election because you have the Republican mayor of Boca Raton up against Jared.

That mayor would never have taken that race before if the district hadn't slightly changed. Yeah, that'll be very interesting to see. We'll keep following it. Look, I did want to. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about the, we've talked a lot about the ACLJ work.

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