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Who told you that? Your dad? Oh, well. Your dad was very excited.
Okay. I kind of gave him a shout-out in it.
So I did. That's why. Oh, so that's the only reason he shared? Probably. Hopefully, he's listening today.
He's like, oh, no, Logan's leading. I'm not going to do it.
So maybe he'll give us another shout-out, but I appreciate it. Look, there's a lot of news happening. The big one, Jordan's here, by the way, too. Will's here, and Rick Rinnell's going to be joining us a little bit later. And the big one that happened overnight, not even overnight, I guess in the early hours, it was actually pretty early called.
Celebrating early as I could. Is that Representative Thomas Massey? Of Kentucky, who has been a bit of an issue for 14 years. Yeah. Is finally gone as he lost his primary battle.
Again, ousting an incumbent, never easy. But ousted with a big margin. Big margin early. I mean, it was over. And the way Thomas Massey went out is exactly the Thomas Massey I want people to remember: anti-Semite.
Anti-Jew, anti-Israel member of Congress. He doesn't have that Rand Paul view of no foreign aid. It's specifically targeted at Jews. And he couldn't help himself to try and blame Israel for his defeat last night. I don't think the Jewish vote in his district is enough to persuade him.
Under 1%, I'm not going to gain eight points for it. And so the idea. that he went after a former U.S. Navy SEAL, and played the dual loyalty card. Against a ni US Navy seal of all sex for all sakes.
That to me says it all about who Thomas Massey really is. He's joined up with that Fuentes Tucker world. And what we're seeing is that when it comes down to actual races, The Republicans who in red states who elected Donald Trump are not going to keep supporting Republicans who vote against everything Donald Trump stands for. And what he ran on doing. And of course, President Trump did endorse the other candidate and was pretty honest and open about his thoughts on Representative Massey and his relation.
Again, voted with Republicans, I think, 90% of the time. This is what the Democrats should have done 10 years ago. They should have started running candidates against these radicals that scare people away from voting for them, like the Omars, like the Tlaib, because they come and they preach this hate. They've been totally infected. If the Republican Party continues to do this.
And lets it be known that we will make sure you do not have your seat, even if you've been there 14 years. We'll take the resources to beat you. We're not going to have anti-Semites in our party throwing around those kinds of language. I think that is a way the Republican Party really resets and owns that issue again: if you care about Israel, if you care about the Jewish people, even here in the United States, the anti-Semitism, there's really only one choice right now. Yeah, my social media definitely exploded on both sides, by the way.
I saw a lot of hate. Of course, a lot of the hate came immediately following, and a lot of it had to do with this comment that was made from Thomas Massey. Again, this is his concession speech. This is when he walked up saying he needed a minute. Why did he feel like he needed a minute?
Here is Thomas Massey last night conceding. I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Gowrine in Tel Aviv. Again, that's his line. That's his big line. It took me a while to find Ed Galleron in Tel Aviv saying that this, again, Decorated, was he Marine?
He was a Navy SEAL. Navy SEAL. He also is from a generational farming family in Kentucky. But of course. And when you lose, though, who do you got?
You got to blame the Jews. That's what you learned from Thomas Massey. You can't just lose because you're not good at this game. What do you think about this in the future? Heading in towards primary season for this side.
Of the conservative base, who maybe has been rallying pretty strong their anti-Israel statements, and of course, what comes out ends up being a very anti-Semitic group. But what do you think? Do you think this shows signs? That maybe that crowd is not as big as social media wants to think it is. I want to hear from you, 1-800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110, to be a part of the show today.
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We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. We got to reset a little bit because a lot of you are just joining us right now. Most of you tuned in last night, maybe opened up your social media feed and saw that Representative Thomas Massey had been ousted. In the primary, and maybe there are groups of people who are unfamiliar with who this is.
I mean, I assume most of our listeners, most of our viewers, if you're this plugged in, you know who he is. You've seen it, you've seen your friends react to him on social media throughout the years. But maybe we need to back it up a little bit and give people a history of not just his most recent attacks, you'd say, on people who support Israel, Jewish people, Zionists, if you will. That has also played into a pretty long record of who he is as a representative. And here's kind of the problem, even with the libertarian mindset that you see.
In Kentucky, known for that. Right. I mean, you have Rand Paul, who is a Republican senator, but he is much more libertarian in some of the philosophy. Obviously, his father also was a Republican from Texas congressman, Ron Paul, but much more libertarian in the philosophy, but played within the party to get elected, really, because it's very difficult for Third party candidates to get elected. Thomas Massey was somewhat of that within there, kind of this.
Libertarian, off-the-grid lifestyle that he led. He had built his own home in Kentucky. It ran off solar power and a recycled Tesla battery. This kind of like do-it-yourself ethic that kind of plays well in Kentucky. The problem is.
is that you look at the the philosophy that comes out of a lot of this libertarian mindset. And there are a lot of merits to it. There's a lot of kind of conservative tie over. Here's the problem with the modern day libertarian movement. as much as they would like to say they are not.
When push comes to shove, it always ends up being anti-Semitic. It isn't about all foreign aid and all dollars going out the door. It always comes back to Israel. It always comes back to the dual loyalty lie. It comes back to the, oh, you're just doing what Israel tells you to do.
The President's going to war. You're sending Americans to die for Israel. All of those tropes and lines get recycled. And even there, last night, He couldn't lose graciously. Thomas Massey said the quiet part out loud about what he would protest to, saying, No, I just, I'm a libertarian.
I'm just America first. I'm in this MAGA world. The first thing he says when he takes the stage, when he loses to a former Kentuckian Navy SEAL, is, I couldn't reach him because he was in television, inferring that he lost only because of Jews. Wanting him to not win. And when I watched it, what is interesting is his expression.
He almost seems relieved. He almost seems excited to lose. He goes up and starts taking selfies, a selfie video. You know, very pumped up. Maybe he sees his career as a podcaster.
Maybe he sees his career going somewhere else. I mean, I'm not joking with that, saying, oh, now I'm out of this. He said I'm free now. Yeah, that's fine. He literally said that.
To now say what he wants, and he's built quite a base. I know that he would have raised $20 million if he really wanted to lose. That's true. I don't think he wanted to lose, but it did feel like there was some sort of spin. And then you look towards what's happening.
And look, I think what's odd about this, it's always Tel Aviv. It's always Israel in general. Israel itself, and I'm sure we'll have ACLJ Jerusalem representative on later this week or next week. Israel itself is in the process of election season. And guess what?
I know this is like hard to believe because the way you've been presented with Israel. There are a lot of liberals in Israel. The conservatives are pretty liberal in Israel. But there is a huge group that doesn't care for Netanyahu or the government, just like there's a huge group here that doesn't care for President Trump or a group that didn't care for President Biden. It's a pretty politically split country.
But that is not what they want you to believe. They want you to believe that Israel is an all-encompassing phrase, which only points to what you'd consider, what they'd consider evil. Yes, I mean and again. That's what he wanted to be known for. He knew if he said something like that.
It'd be talked about. And to his brand, I guess, is that he's going to go Nick Fuente style. Yeah. Tucker Carlson. I mean, that was almost more than what I think Tucker Carlson would say about a former Navy SEAL.
Directly so much. I mean, he might in theory say that we know who this was really funded by, but to say that that Navy was somehow in Tel Aviv on election night, to me, one, it's that dual loyalty trope, not even against a Jewish former member of the military, but just because he happens to be a supporter of Israel, someone who's served in our armed forces.
Well, a lot of people who have served in armed forces are supporters of Israel because they've worked closely with the Israeli military and hand in hand in creating systems to protect not just Israel, like the iron domes and David Sling, but also those are used to protect our troops around the world.
So, you know, when you're talking about go after Israel this way, what about all the other countries we're in that were able to kind of base out of Israel to keep our troops safe and to be the leader of the world? Yeah. I want to take this call because it's coming in from the state of Kentucky. Let's go to Buck. Representative Kentucky, go ahead.
Watch it on Rumble. Look you there? Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? We got you.
Go ahead. Great. Good riddance to Mr. Massey. I'm having a big old barbecue.
Because, like President Trump, I'm a pedophile.
Okay, all right.
Well, I kind of, you know, I had a feeling. You always do. I had a feeling the guy's name was Buck. And I thought, that's not really his name. That sounds too good to be true.
I have a feeling he told a tall tale to the call screener. In my comments that I wrote, retweets them from Ted Cruz. And they were all kind of in jest, really, because of what he said and discussed what he said. And the hate back was exactly that.
Well, here's the thing. And I think we should play this from. Here's the good news, guys. The hate back is that thing, but when it came down to actually voting, they're not a big enough constituency. That's what I'm saying.
They're loud. They call in. That kind of thing happens. Nasty line discussions. Go ahead.
Here's what we should play because this is honestly, and you even saw it on Saturday Night Live on Saturday. They are normalizing that line. That the slander against the President trying to tie him to Jeffrey Epstein when none of these people cared about that. Until President Trump was re-elected. It was Republicans saying release these files and things during the Biden administration, and they did nothing.
This is Representative Rokana. Not someone that conservatives should align with politically. You don't hear that. Ideologically. This is bite three of what he said last night after the loss of Thomas Massey that feeds into Collars like that.
It feeds into dangerous things that get platformed by, like, SNL, and what you hear from people like someone who tried to do an attack. On the President at the White House correspondence dinner because they are perpetuating this lie that makes people feel like it's okay to choose violence against the sitting President of the United States. It's reckless and dangerous, and it gets people like whoever his name was actually calling from allegedly Kentucky. And then you hear this: this is what Roe Connor said last night by three. My good friend Thomas Massey lost tonight.
I'm angered by the smears on his character. He lost because he had the guts to take on the Epstein class. He lost because he had the guts to stand up against the war in Iran. He worked with me to pass the most consequential and popular piece of bipartisan legislation in recent history in the Epstein Transparency Act. Many young voters under 50 voted for him.
He was winning them by over 30 points. And today I say, you may not have a home in the Trump coalition, but there is a new generation of populist Democrats, and we welcome you to help us change this country, change the rotten system, and have a politics that puts the working class ahead of the Epstein class. Here's what I want to say to people like RoConna. One, you're pushing this narrative, trying to tie the President to Jeffrey Epstein, and it's worked for you politically. It's disgusting, but it's worked for you.
When you sit here and you say, you know, we're trying to change the rotten system, we're trying to help change this country. This is the same party that has gone after every single thing that Doge did at the beginning of the administration, trying to root out waste, fraud, and abuse. You see in your state of California how much fraud has gone on, stealing from those very working class families that you say you put ahead of the quote-unquote Epstein class. You're lying to the American people because you would have taken care of things at home in California, put pressure on the state officials there to root out fraud. Instead, you have voted for things that expand.
The ability for people to steal taxpayer dollars from the working class people that pay into our tax system every single day.
So don't get around this thing that we're fighting for the working class. No, the Democrat Party and the leftists like you put forward things that do nothing but make it easier, bigger loopholes, expansion of Medicaid through Obamacare. These things that made it so much easier for hundreds and hundreds of millions and billions of dollars to be stolen from taxpayers.
So don't believe these words from people like Rokana. Yeah, we got a lot of calls coming in. We're going to take them in the next few segments.
So give me a call at 1-800-6-843-110. There's also some other. primaries that are happening. If you want to talk about some anti-Israel moments or anti-Semitic moments that are happening, man, there are some potential candidates out there that got a little wild. Maybe they're talking about I don't know Some old, old school methods.
that maybe are disgusting and how to take care of the Jewish people in their state. We'll play that. We'll let you know about it coming up in the next segments. If you want to be on the air too, though, we got a couple lines: 1-800-684-3110, and also. The ACLJ is hard at work.
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1-800-684-3110. I want to kick things off with some phone calls. Hopefully, it's inspired you to call in as well. It's good, Bob, in Florida. Bob, go ahead.
Gentlemen, about the Massey ousting last night. Let me say this as far as yes, he was a flying ointment, and yes, he enjoyed the fact that he was. holding things back with that libertarian mindset. But our President, who is supposed to be the deal maker in chief, seems to have adopted a myway or the highway I understand if you can't get some guys, but Massey agreed with him on certain things. I mean, you're blowing up the deficit with certain you know, the the big the beautiful the big America bill that was passed.
And I think it stems from the fact that when you don't follow through on some of the Doge cuts that was clearly identified, you gave your party Hmm. that what we have believed has been accurate, and we found waste, fraud and abuse. But it was put on the side. You put a Pam Bondi in who says all the right things but comes across as angry Barbie at times. And after a year of animation, I don't care if you're a man or a woman, you gotta be tough.
And Pam's tough and a personal friend of mine and sh really tough. And by the way, the reason Doge got put on hold was by federal courts. Not President Trump. They're fighting it in federal court as we speak on a number of different issues. Those were all brand new ideas that were immediately going to be challenged in court.
Everyone knew that.
So you found the waste, you found the fraud, you found the abuse, then you start acting on it, then they sue you. And you've got to go through the court process. But the idea, again, that this team is not dedicated and hasn't been dedicated. I mean, it is, again, the accomplishments and what has been done in a year or so. And now we're also seeing the strength still.
Of President Trump. A lot of the left thought his endorsements weren't going to matter anymore. He wasn't going to be turning on him. Instead, the people who lost were the people who voted against Donald Trump. In the primary.
Yeah. Well, and I think this points to also, Bob, what you were talking about is that. Um It wasn't even the issues with Thomas Massey of being libertarian that are like, once again, Bringing down fiscal conservatism. That's the core of old school conservatism. President Trump has a different style than that, and that's shifted things in the Republican Party to some degree over the last decade, really.
But When you think about Even what we led with, with his comment that I had to call Tel Aviv. It's not just about foreign aid. It's not just about The waste around the world. It is specifically targeted towards. Israel.
It is specifically saying that President Trump is doing the bidding of Israel, fighting Israel's war against Iran. It takes and plays into every horrible trope, horrible stereotype and conspiracy theory that is saying that the U.S. government is controlled by Israel and by Jews. That is a generational anti-Semitic trope. That is rearing its ugly head within the conservative space now.
I say that loosely, conservative, because. He could have just said I lost a campaign. But no, it wasn't his fault. that people in his dist district had to basically choose between him and the President. because that district also voted for President Trump.
And they picked someone that was more in line with the President. Last night. And so it wasn't his fault. It wasn't even saying, clearly, my district's changed or going in a different direction. It was AIPAC.
It was Israel. It was nothing to do with the merits of his Navy SEAL opponent. It only was the fault. Of Israelis and a foreign power and election interference. I thought we were done with having to worry about.
The hoaxes of foreign interference in our elections that are getting people elected or unelected. But that's what he's going back to. And so you can even look at Thomas Massey and agree with maybe some of his fiscal policy or things he has said about that. Sure, a lot. But you're not coming from, and I hope, Bob, you're not coming from the same place that he is because when he decides to say the quiet part out loud, it's anti-Semitism.
All right. Let's go ahead and take one more call. Look, this is on the other side a bit more. Look, I think I knew we would have people who wanted to push back a little bit, and I think that's totally fine. Stay respectful and you can stay on the air.
Dan in Maryland, go ahead. Hi, yeah, well, DNA test came back twenty percent Ashkenazi.
So yeah, my father's father's Jewish. Um and on his side Um Going over to Israel every other year, planting trees with Sadassa. And uh But I remember when uh Rebbe um Mair Kahani said, the best thing that the U.S. can do for Israel is to cut them off. They're an aid junkie.
I I understand the libertarian mindset. I am Zionist. But There are other ways to support Israel than with the U.S. taxpayer dollar. I think that's a different point of view.
And look, you actually had Benjamin Netanyahu, who just this past week, he was with Major Garrett and said, what do you think? He said, I want Israel to be completely not connected financially to America, so that doesn't happen. He wants to happen in the next decade, which, by the way, may sound like a long time. But when you have been relying on billions of dollars that come in, that is not a short sunset. I think we forget, Dan, that we test our equipment there.
So the Iron Dome was developed there to see if it worked. Then David's sling, which was more mobile, to see if we could utilize it to protect our troops out in these outpost areas that we have. And so Israel, because of its nature of The constant incoming attacks. we're able to use our newest technology in real warfare. and and then perfect it for Are U.S.
troops who are serving abroad?
So, is that sending money to Israel? Of course, because they're building it and running it. We are benefiting. from those kind of expenditures. If you start taking those expenditures out, Then the money is not that big.
Can we also test our own equipment? which is what you see around the world. What do you think China does and Russia does? They send it to other countries. And we're sending a lot of money to a lot of places.
And here's what we also have to be very, very clear on. When we send when they appropriate money to go to Israel for their defense aid, That isn't money that many other places in the world just get spent, probably sometimes to our enemies. Israel's then buying from U.S. defense contractors.
So, when people try to say we're just giving all this money to Israel, what in reality is, and you could maybe be against this, is a subsidy of our defense industry. Money goes to Israel and then goes right back and buys from Northrop, from Boeing, from Lockheed. All of those defense contractors are who Israel is buying from.
So, in reality, it's an indirect payment to the American companies for American munitions.
So, you may be against that. You may say, I don't want a subsidy of our defense industry. Um that's a different thing. And you could be against the defense lobby. But when people don't realize and call it what it is.
And instead, say it's just Israel, it's just Jews, it's just this and that. They're buying into the anti-Semitism and not the reality of even how this is working.
So be clear, it's not your taxpayer dollars going to Israel and disappearing. It's a roundabout way to subsidize the defense industry here in the United States. Look, first half hour flew by. I want you to be a part of the show. We do have a bunch of lines open because we just took a bunch of calls.
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So welcome. We are talking about the fallout that comes from. The falling of Thomas Massey. Of course, that was last night as a Trump-backed challenger. took the win.
And defeated the incumbent Thomas Massey, who, of course, has been a very interesting character over the last few years and certainly has bought in to the full anti-Israel crowd. And of course, that always comes with some form of veiled anti-Semitic rhetoric, including even as he conceded the election last night. I think we have to play that again. This was the first thing you heard from Thomas Massey after he admitted to defeat by one. I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Gowrine in Tel Aviv.
After a pretty blistering defeat, of course, Ed Galleron took 54% of the vote. That doesn't sound like a lot, but it is in terms of the amount of people that actually vote in these elections. Because, of course, you're talking about one district in Kentucky. That's right. And once again, the hubris that you saw last night, as you even talked about, like he looked almost joyful.
He said, I'm free now. And also, you start to think, and this is, if you're a politician, a lot of times you have a maybe a narcissistic streak, like you think you are the greatest thing. But his crowd was chanting 28. Mm-hmm. Those individuals in that room are wanting him after a loss and like, Hey, we bet you could win a national election for President.
in just two years from now. That's what that room felt like. They feel like they are a part of a movement. And what is that movement? That movement.
Started off with saying, Hey, I only lost because Israel got in the way. Yeah, and that movement is not alone. We got to talk a little bit about this, and we can talk about it a little bit more when we get back from Rick. And this is, what is the person's name, Maureen? who is running for Congress in San Antonio, Texas.
You're not going to believe the comments that they are making on social media. And even when she tried to get herself out of it, did not make it much better. This was someone who is running specifically. It's just, it's wild. It's wild.
The anti-Semitic rhetoric has gotten to a really big tipping point. It's Maureen Galindo. Not to be confused with Ed Galloran. A lot of different names, very similar. Maureen Galindo, who get is running for Congress in the San Antonio era.
It's San Antonio and then like East Austin. It's one of those interesting districts where you have like one part is San Antonio and then a very long, narrow line. All the way up to Austin. Yeah. In a Facebook or Instagram post, I'm going to kind of abbreviate this as we head into break.
She put: When Maureen gets into Congress, again, this is like the, she's speaking in the third person because this is like the campaign. Right. When Maureen gets into Congress, she'll write legislation so that all Zionism and support of Zionism is undoubtedly, now she says, anti-Semitic, because her whole thought is the people who are. Zionists are actually not real Jewish people. that they are the other kind of Jewish people, since Zionists harming the Semites shall turn the ICE detention centers into a prison for American Zionists and former ICE officers for human trafficking.
It will also be I'm going to say it. It will also be a castration processing center. For another word I can't say, it's probably on your screen because it'll get flagged, which will probably be most of the Zionists.
So again, saying that all Zionists are in fact child abusers. That that's what's happening right now, and that all Zionists are should be locked up. in a prison style concentration camp in Texas and ICE. Former ice attention center. This is coming.
From it from the left. And What happens there? We gotta break it all down. We have she responded, didn't get much better. And again, this is not someone with no chance.
This is someone who is running for a major party. Yeah. Let's talk about that as it again extends well beyond just the far right, also extends into the left. 1-800-684-3110. But Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us in the next segment.
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Become an ACLJ champion today at aclj.org. We'll be right back with Rick Grinnell. Welcome back to Sekulow. Sorry about that. A little anticlimactic comeback.
We had a little bit of issue there with the music, but you know, it's very chill now.
Now we have a chill energy heading into this segment. Rick Rinnell is joining us. Make sure we got Rick. All right, Rick. Of course, the topic of the day is the fallout and the election last night that saw.
Republican incumbent Thomas Massey removed. Got to get your thoughts on this heading into primary season. Look, I think the early Tommy Thomas Massey. Had a Real difficult time with the later Massey. They were completely two different people.
In the beginning, I think he brought in some great libertarian ideas. Challenged the conventional thought, which I think is always a very good thing. The problem is. is that he morphed into this anti-Trump anti America First policy person in the later years. He voted against everything.
And that it leads me to say that he shouldn't be surprised that when he's going up against The policies of President Trump. That somehow President Trump is going to say, well, you're not on my team, and I'd rather have a different player. That shouldn't be a surprise. This is politics. But I've seen a lot of people complaining about, well, Charlie Kirk thought that Massey was amazing.
And I would just say, so did all of us in the early days.
So you'll notice that those clips are of Charlie Kirk when he is uh very young And it just goes to show that in the early days, we were all with Mastie. And it was Matthew who left us. It was his voting record. You can just see the voting record. Of massive change.
And so I just struggle to see how people. Don't understand that this is part of the political game. When you decide to go against The America First Agenda, don't be surprised that the President wants a different partner. In Congress. Yeah, I mean Rick, his district went 85% for President Trump.
He represents those constituents. Those constituents said, We want this man to be President again, and we support his policies overall. And so to have their member of Congress who was in that party. Be sometimes the one who prevented those policies from going forward. It makes sense that those voters would say, you know what, this is, we're not getting what we're supposed to be getting here by sending you back to Washington when we decided that we wanted a President to implement new ideas and new policies to fight for us.
And you've become, like you said, he evolved into a. A roadblock probably that the Democrat probably the best friend of the Democrats in the House. Let me also add one thing about President Trump. I know President Trump very well, and the fact of the matter is that he is the first person. to forgive And to start anew with people.
He has done this with a variety of people. Who absolutely didn't like him in the beginning, and then they came around. They changed. They recognized the power of what President Trump was doing. I know the President to be an incredibly forgiving person.
If the other person wants to kind of change their behavior and say, hey, I'm now a supporter. I wasn't before, but I am now. That's happened a lot of the times.
So in Massey's case, The opposite happened. Look how many people are in the administration. The vice President originally wasn't the biggest fan of the President. Half of the people up there ran against him in that administration. Rick, I also wanted to bring this up because this is where it does get concerning.
And you differentiate the early Thomas Massey versus the later Thomas Massey. And this is something I struggle with because I think, as you mentioned, there are a lot of great policy ideas and philosophies that can come out of this libertarian tradition that do work really well with traditional conservatism, fiscal responsibility, the individual liberties, the things that traditional conservatives share with the libertarian philosophy. The problem has been is that um Any major libertarian, someone that would describe themselves in recent years. Has just seemed to go off the deep end into instead of holding true to this intellectual framework. They go straight to the blame Israel, blame the Jews type argument.
And we even saw that last night from Thomas Massey. We can play this real quick, is that. He makes a joke at the beginning of his concession speech, and we'll play it where it's inferring that the only reason he lost is because of Israel. Byte won. I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Gowrine in Tel Aviv.
He says his opponent, who is a multi-generational farmer in Kentucky, a former Navy SEAL, served 30 years in the U.S. military, that the only reason that he won is effectively because Israel tipped the scales. How do we, as traditional conservatives, those that believe and have a lot of kindred spirit beliefs with those that may describe themselves as libertarians, how do we break through and make this not this whole thing where they end up just spewing anti-Semitic rhetoric and say, look, we can come together and do good things for the United States?
Well, look, I would classify myself as a libertarian. I believe in personal responsibility, personal liberties. I don't trust the government. I think it gets too big and unemotional. I don't think the government ever delivers a heartfelt program.
I think it becomes You know, messy. And so I get that. I think that the problem in Washington, D.C. is that politicians sometimes become purists. And they decide that like if they were running an NGO, that they personally get to decide what the policy is.
And I think that the beauty of politics is incrementalism. You have to be able to make the budget a little bit better than it was before. You're not going to make it perfect. You don't have to vote against it because it's got some bad programs in it. You try to get the bad programs out.
But the reality is that the game in Washington is between two teams. And you've got to play for your team. You can't be an individual and try to pretend like this isn't a team sport. It is a team sport. You can't be an individualist and a purist and expect to get a lot done.
Well, and I think you you nailed it right there, is that it does seem to be that sometimes when individuals get elected and they have this perspective, they they don't realize the pragmatic Nature of being a member of Congress, especially when you're a member of the House. Not in a small club. I mean, it's a smaller club than the entire nation voting on something. But it's still meant to be the people's house and to have a lot of different opinions, a lot of different voices. And when you are at this point, as you see from Thomas Massey or you see from others, and sometimes you see this on the left as well.
They understand that the machine the DNC has created has been one where they all move in lockstep because I feel like they get that to some degree, that incrementalism more than many people on the right sometimes seem to get.
Well, one thing that we've learned over this last couple of weeks is that Donald Trump is the most powerful politician in the country. In my generation, I think he's more powerful than Ronald Reagan was. And that's just the reality. If you understand politics, certain people have a lot of power. And right now, Donald Trump has a lot of power.
Yeah, I think that's definitely where the numbers don't lie, if you will. When you look at these kind of moments where it doesn't really matter what your social media algorithm may tell you, the votes are where it counts. And Rick, I mean, it could not be clearer. Yeah, and I think there's a lot of politicians in Washington that are learning that lesson the hard way.
Some have come around to say, you know what? Let's go and reform the best way that we can. And instead of running an NGO, they're in Congress and they're doing the best they can. All right, thanks for joining us today, Rick. We appreciate it.
Hey, coming up in the next segment, I do want to hear from you. I know a lot of you have different views on this specific topic as we're talking about Representative Massey and sort of the fallout that's now coming for this. Same thing that happened, like I said, when you start looking at sort of the anti-Israel right and the anti-Israel left. We had that conversation earlier on about the political candidate who essentially said we need to be throwing American Zionists into reform the ICE in detainment centers and turn them into prisons for American Zionists. I mean, that's not like I'm there's not hyperbole there.
That is what was spoken. That is what was posted on their Instagram. As a someone who is currently winning. in Congress right now for this election bill. That's right.
She actually got the most votes in her primary, and there is a runoff. Because no candidate got to 50%, so there's a runoff for the nomination for the Democrat Party in this House seat in just six days. Yeah, hey, and we're going to talk also about the work of the ACLJ. There's some comments on there asking for some updates on some cases. Let me know what cases you want to hear about.
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1-800-684-3110. I did want to kick off with a phone call. Let's go to Sean, who is watching on YouTube, calling from Florida. Gonna hold for a little while. Thanks, Sean.
Go ahead. Yeah, hi. My big problem is that, you know, it's bad enough when people lose in November, they've got extra time to do damage.
Now Thirty. Have all it much more time decided with the rest of the Democrats and And cause problems for President Trump. There's nothing we can do about that or to stop him. You're right, Sean. I mean, Thomas Massey even made reference to I Have Seven Months.
Like he was kind of proud of the fact that he had this much time to cause issues and to cause problems and to get revenge within Congress. Once again, I think that should tell the people that voted one against him for the other candidate that they made the right choice in that district for their constituency. And those made me voted for him thinking, huh? He wants to do damage to the country, to the process in this last seven months. That's not representing me.
That's not going to help me. He's going to be out of Congress, and I'm still going to be left with the havoc that he wrecked afterwards. Yeah. Sean, thanks for calling. We appreciate it.
Should we go ahead and continue on? Yeah. Let's go to John, who's calling in Maryland, line two. Go ahead. Yeah, I'd just like to say for one thing, Israel is our only true ally over there in the Middle East.
But I'm calling about the man who called in earlier with the comment about Does and what Trump's not getting done. And the whole thing is he's like a man living in a neighborhood with a mountain above him and it's a mudslide and he's shoveling and shoveling and can't get rid of the mud. And he looks up on the hill and there's these Amlan chasers in black robes that are with fire hoses just pouring water on on the mud.
So how I mean, when you fight getting fought at every turn, how is he going to get anything done? It's amazing what he has been able to get done.
Well, and that's one thing that we've seen. We've seen, yes, there has been positive movement. There has been a lot exposed within the government that, and as Rick even talked about, there is that incrementalism that we were hopeful that something like Doge could do the big thing. But you also see when there's an entrenched bureaucracy, they're going to fight as hard as they can. They want that money still coming in.
They want, I mean, many of them want their jobs. Many of them genuinely believe in the work they're doing, even if it's not in the best interest of the American taxpayer.
So there is that issue, but you're also seeing this, this kind of second take on it, how much fraud is being uncovered. People would say, you're a conspiracy theorist, you're lying, yada, yada, when we talked about fraud coming out of the federal government. And what we see, and one of the things we even warned about back when Obamacare was passed, is that the main way they expanded healthcare access wasn't through the marketplace. It was through loosening the restrictions on Medicaid. And what has been the fall out from that?
You're seeing how many hundreds of millions of dollars and billions of dollars of fraud is taking place because of that Medicaid expansion. We're not here saying that Medicaid isn't something that should go away or be just completely dismantled, but it was because of the loosening of the restrictions and the guardrails that led to people just stealing from you. Yeah. I I did want to also update.
Some comments have been coming in. I I asked if you had a question about a case or anything. There have been some questions that have come in, if you seconded even, asking about an update on the Calvary Chapel case, where we are with that in California, Jordan. Yeah, so uh that case uh we believe is being there's a couple of cases that are similar. Before the court, and so sometimes they hold those until they take them to conference to decide on would they take both the same time.
And so they haven't had like a vote on that yet. It doesn't appear. It had been scheduled for conference, but there was no action out of that. That's how you kind of infer that it was. And good news, it wasn't denied, sir.
It hasn't been denied.
So it's still there. We also know that tomorrow the Supreme Court. Has a conference on our case involving the defamation case against CNN as we defend President Trump legal advisor Alan Dershowitz. And that was that defamation saying, you know, the President can never get impeached. And what's interesting, Logan, is tomorrow I'll be in Washington, D.C.
Because three of our attorneys there are going to be joining the Supreme Court bar. And so I'll be taking them before the court. And so right after I'm done doing that. They go into conference on one of our cases. That's amazing.
And hopefully, that gives you people an update on the work the ACLJ is doing. But also, sometimes the long and laborious process that comes from all of this, sometimes it is not all action all the time. But because these moments happen, you have to be able to pivot very quickly. Yes, exactly. All right.
We're going to take at least one more call. Let's go to Patty, who's calling. Watch out the Salem News channel. Patty, go ahead. Hello.
My comment is the Save America Act must be passed. If it's not passed, The illegal Islamic population will totally wipe out we the people, and we will be conquered and the republic will be lost forever. I live less than a hundred miles from Dearborn. Dearborn Heights. Hamtramack was a once thriving, proud, hundred year old Polish community.
They now have Muslim rule. They have Islamic name streets. and they are enforcing. the Sharia laws on their streets, in their streets. I've watched Rashida Talim.
Smile as she watches these people b marching on our streets chanting death to America.
Well, and Patty, that is something that's been a concern for a long time in Michigan and Dearborn, especially, as you've seen. Even a candidate in Michigan for, I believe, for Senate. that after the Ayatollah was killed in the strikes on Iran. There was internal messaging that was leaked out of him saying, hey, we don't want to talk about that because there's a lot of people in our community upset. Upset that the Ayatollah was dead.
And it's something we even talked about yesterday on the broadcast where Katie Turr kind of mocked Mike Johnson for saying that rights come from God, not from the government, even though that is the Declaration of Independence. And I brought up that. Adversaries of the United States. Take advantage of the freedoms and the liberty that we have here. They understand our system very well.
But it's when even members of the media or Tim Kaine, who had echoed something similar, when they don't understand the core foundational values of what sets America apart. then the adversaries are going to exploit our freedom. But we here at home are going to be fighting over what even the foundation is. We're no longer held together by that foundation stone. And that's one thing that I think during this 250th celebration year should be echoed as much as possible.
Read the documents. Get back to the foundational structure of the United States because many people are drifting away from that. And the adversaries know it. Yeah, exactly. Get yourself back familiar.
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