SHOCKING: FBI Warning 'Armed and Dangerous'

As the manhunt continues, the FBI warns the Brown University attacker is armed and dangerous. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110.

And now, your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. We've got a packed show for you today. Will Haynes in the studio, my brother Jordan Sekulow is joining us just a second. We got Rick Rinnell a little bit later on, as well as Representative Jared Moskowitz.

It's going to be a packed, packed broadcast. You're not going to want to miss the top story of today. Of course, right now, we are discussing that. They just had an update on that Brown University shooter because we know the manhunt continues. Who they thought was the person of interest was released.

And now they said they believe it was definitely a targeted attack at Brown University. And they're looking for potential motives, but they said there is a manhunt well armed and dangerous. That's right.

So the individual they initially took into custody for questioning, they had released. We are now into the fourth day of this manhunt after this attack at Brown University, which killed two individuals. One was a sophomore. She was 19 years old. And the other was an 18-year-old freshman who was a naturalized citizen.

From Uzbekistan. And what we see now is that the leads seem to be less than they maybe had at the beginning. And they are searching for someone they released new video of where you could not see the face of the individual, but there was definitely some characteristics about him, whether it be the way the individual walked, and they could tell the height of the individual. They put this out with a $50,000 reward for information. But at this point, it seems like they are chasing down leads, but not with a lot of success at this point.

We will see what comes up out of this. The 19-year-old from Birmingham, Alabama, she was the vice President of the College Republicans there. The other individual, Mahamad Aziz Umerazukov, was a Uzbek national that was naturalized in the U.S. and aspired to be a doctor. But we are now seeing what hopefully is not a trend after what we saw in Utah with Charlie Kirk, where there was someone who targeted a university.

And instead of what has historically, unfortunately, been the case in the United States, where someone goes on a killing spree and then ends up being killed either by themselves or police in their attack. People are now leaving and fleeing, and the police are having a hard time catching these individuals. It raises a lot of questions on that front too, Lodo. We're going to cover that a lot more coming up again. Like I said, my brother Jordan's going to be joining us in the next segment.

He's in the studio right now, but he'll be joining us on mic in the next segment. Rick Rinnell, a little bit later on. And again, Representative Jared Moskowitz. It's going to be packed, but I want to hear from you as well. We're not going to have as much many time for calls today.

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So 1-800-684-3110 to have your voice heard today on the air. And speaking of voice, it is Raise Your Voice Week, a very special week here at the ACLJ as we are headed towards the end of the year. We are only two weeks from the end of the year, and we're facing some big challenges to your free speech. We've heard about, obviously, whether people are sharing about life, whether they are sharing about their faith on the streets. We have been there.

We've been involved. The peaceful pro-life advocates, Zach Knotts, his wife. You're going to hear that story specifically in a new project we have going on that only happens, by the way. at least to the scale that we really believe this could make it. And yesterday, you showed up.

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We have done some early pre-production. We've done some early production. We've started to piece this together. And as it was being pieced together, I really felt like we could take this up to the next level to make sure more people can see it. And we even can get more stories inside this series.

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So, really, the next two segments are the times. That's what I'm just looking at right now. The next two segments are going to be taking calls.

So, if you want to call in, 1-800-684-3110, I know a lot of you are just joining us right now, so we need to give you that update from the FBI saying, Hey, the suspect still in the Brown University shooting, they do not have the person and they consider them armed and dangerous. Again, as they believe it's a targeted attack, now it's a little unclear if it's targeted on the people. Or, if it's targeted specifically to the school, a lot of this information does not come out, there's not a ton of details. Of what this is. We're not going to spend a whole hour on this.

We just wanted to make sure we covered this at least for a segment or two.

So, if you are listening, and even if you're in that area, that you know the update. That's right.

So, the law enforcement has come forward and said this individual they believe to be armed and dangerous. They released new footage of the individual that they are seeking. Once again, they haven't put out a ton of details, and they did have a person of interest early that they have released. This individual on video is not the same individual that has already been released, as well as they said they believe that he targeted the university, but they haven't gone into a lot of detail whether that means. He targeted that specific gathering where individuals were, or whether it was just there was an opportunity because there was a gathering of people in a classroom and took that opportunity.

But After the attack, instead of it continuing an attack, it appears this individual used time to escape in the chaos. In Jordan, this is now the second attack on a university. We saw the one in Utah against Charlie Kirk, which was a targeted attack. We had that initial site that released. And now we have this where an individual has carried out an attack and not used it as an opportunity to go out in a blaze of glory against the police in a firefight, but fled.

And at this point, it seems that the police are struggling to find that individual. Yeah, I mean, it's a unique factor. Facts, right? You've got a, it's a weekend at a university going into exams, as we were talking about.

So we don't know if this was an exam review. We don't know if this was a club meeting. We do know that one of the individuals killed was the vice chair of the Brown College Republicans.

So was it, but you know, I feel like if it was a meeting like that, It was so direct, like there was a direct tie to politics, they probably would. Say something because that might help people think, okay. Do I know someone who has that connection to Brown? and didn't like this group or people in that group. But then Um You know, we also know there's eight others injured.

They're being, I think, you know, it's an Ivy League institution. They're being very quiet about what they're releasing, and so is the community. I mean, that video that we saw, that is not, I mean, you'd have to really know who that person is. Yeah, you'd rather know how someone walked. Yes.

I mean, because they're fully, and also they've got a lot of layers on.

So. I think it's it's um you know we know it gets more difficult for law enforcement. They always say first 48 hours and then it's It's really tough. Really tough. Especially if the person...

Is not in the area, and you don't have. We don't know the amount of tips that are coming in. We don't know the amount of information. We don't know what the survivors. We were able to see either.

Like, who were they able to describe? There's a lot of things that have not been released. It doesn't seem like, at least, they had a name.

So the people who are in that room. Who were able to speak to the police, who were maybe injured, but able to talk, doesn't seem like they were immediately identified who this was. No, and I think when you have a situation like this, look, there are those moments where, look at what just happened with the January 6th bomber, where four or five years down the road, you have the right team in place. Details emerge, they can do their job. It's not impossible, but I know that this is, uh, it becomes stressful, I'm sure, as people.

Look, the school's got to be. Essentially closed for Christmas break. I would say that's the same thing. They are not having exams in person.

So whether different professors may be doing things different ways, but they've canceled that the remainder of the semester. It is closed on campus for any learning combinations. Right, exactly. This was probably the last week. If that.

Maybe a couple of exams.

Sometimes you had a couple of exams that would go into this late. That's probably what this was, was probably a group of students coming together. To study for an exam. Yeah. I mean, it's really a tragedy, and it's been, like I said, it's been certainly a rough few days over the past weekend and into now Tuesday here for all of what's going on.

That we're able to finish out Hanukkah and go into Christmas without. More of these mass incidents. When we talked to Jeff Balabon yesterday, but when I talked to him a couple weeks ago, you know, I hate to be someone who says that it's predictable. I know. But in the conversation we had with him, I said, you know, Hanukkah is coming up.

What do we do about security protocols? And then, of course, day one of Hanukkah, the attack in Australia happens. And you don't want to be like, well, I said it and therefore it happened. It it's sadly Inevitable. It's like where are you going to be a congregating area of a large Jewish population during the holidays?

Parts of the world where Christian persecution is bad, it's going to get worse on Christmas. Yeah. And like in Nigeria, because they know more people will be gathered at the church, so that the extremists will utilize that. We know it's worse during Easter. You know, so like, why?

Because there's more people there. They usually have multiple services. It's more chaotic because more people are going in and out and and there's a lot of people.

Now, that means security does go up, but that incident in Australia was unique because it was on a public beach. And we know we've represented churches that are that do this on the beach. It's a very city of California that that do this week. And security is a little different. But Again, is it do we have to live in a new mindset or do we just can we fight this Ideology so that this is something that we talk about historically instead of.

Uh something that is so regular. Yeah, absolutely. I want to hear from you and your thoughts on this as well at 1-800-684-3110. In the next segment, we'll be taking some of your calls and comments. And a lot of you are just coming in online.

Of course, as I've also said, it's an important time to not only be vigilant, but to raise your voice to make sure that you are being heard. That is something the ACLJ has been fighting for for decades. Freedom of speech has always been at the forefront of what the ACLJ does, and it couldn't be more necessary than right now. Honestly, you know, we always say, you know, how do you fight back against speech is with more speech? And it's a dark time out there for a lot of people, even though we're heading into the holidays.

And I hope some of you can at least relax, enjoy time with your friends and family. But for a lot of people, that's just simply not going to be an easy case, specifically if you are, whether you're in the Jewish community over Hanukkah, or whether you're in the Christian community and you're worried about where you're going to be going on Christmas Eve services, or you're going to be worried about going to, you know, a lot of people had their tree lighting ceremonies last week and you see congruence of hundreds of thousands of people. And you're going to do special events, of course, it's in the back of our minds always. And that's really a shame. What I'm hoping, though, is that we have a group of people who can come in and make sure that we don't feel like this way permanently.

But one of the most important things is to make sure that you are one of the louder people as well. that, you know, it's we aren't silenced out of fear. And I want to encourage you. To support one of our new projects. Again, I'm going to be talking about this a lot because I really do believe in it.

A few months ago, when our team started showing me some of the footage that they had been capturing of some of the great stories. like Zach Knotts and his wife, who were uh pro-life. advocates, essentially protesting outside of Orshin Claire. It's not even protesting. They're peaceful advocates trying to speak, trying to have their voice heard, trying to reach people who are making a decision that they believe is murder.

We were able to work with them and we were able to tell their story. There's other street preachers. We're able to tell their story. Of course, the bigger. Bigger global issue of the freedom of speech that is happening right now, and the censorship that's happening right now.

And where some of the louder voices are the ones that are doing it for clicks and are not the ones that are doing it because they truly feel. The call to this.

So, I encourage you, if you want to raise your voice, this is Raise Your Voice Week here as we start to head to the very end of the year. And, like I've said, December is the most important month. for the ACLJ in terms of fundraising. It's true for all organizations. But right now, all your donations are doubled.

We had a big day yesterday. Because this team's put together this series, this really just sample of what it could look like. And it motivated our team to say, you know what? I think we could take this to the next level. I don't think it has to live exclusively as an ACLJ documentary.

We send it out to your friends. Hopefully, you like it. Great. It's a cool project. You get engaged, educated.

We love doing those. We do them all the time. Our team puts them together. This one felt like it could be taken up a notch to the next level here because these stories are so impactful. And you need to be a part of that as well.

So, right now, I'm going to encourage you. Go to aclj.org slash voice. And that is if you want to have your name appear in the credits of this project as a founding producer, because this doesn't happen without you. It is called The Chilling Effect: A War on Free Speech. That's the working title.

Of course, projects take time. You never know where it may end up. But that's currently the working title: The Chilling Effect. That's because that seems to be the phrase that keeps coming up over and over and over again when the team is doing these interviews. Whether it is a representative, whether it's a senator, whether it's somebody who is on the streets, the chilling effect of the censorship of free speech, that seems to be a phrase that's repeated over and over.

I was with Senator Bill Haggerty as one of those that we filed the FOIA on behalf of. We're working on some other legal potential moves there with the Arctic Frost and their phone records being subpoenaed, even though the speech and debate clause should prevent that from ever happening. And I'm not going to name the company that did it, but there's issues with the companies as well that they didn't. Push back because the one company that did, Jack Smith didn't even try to take to court because he knew they had the winning argument. And I will tell you.

What are they trying to do when they subpoena? a US senator's phone record secretly without any notice to them. They're not they're not a They're not under criminal investigation at all. They're trying to say if we could do it to that US senator, guess what we could do to you? Guess what we could do to your family?

And Logan, what is that? Chilling speech. And that is why ACLJ really fundamentally exists: is so speech is never chilled because that's the ultimate goal of the totalitarians. All right, we'll be right back with more on Sekulow. I'd love to hear from you.

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We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. Fund lines are open. We have a couple lines still available at 1-800-68-430-110. Uh, we do want to tell you more.

We're gonna have great guests coming on later in the broadcast. Currently, scheduled, we got Jeremy Moskowitz, a representative. We also have Rick Rornell joining us.

So, the back half of the show, packed, it is live, by the way.

So, make sure you know that's not old clips that we're gonna be playing. It's a completely live, 100% live, but it's when their schedule is allowed.

So, that's gonna be the back half of the show. That's why I'm really spending time talking to you. About Raise Your Voice Week right now. Uh it has been a tough week. As we, a lot of us celebrate Hanukkah this week, you know, it's day night three.

You know, just that moment, the pause of putting the menorah in your window, going, Is this safe for my family when you see. Inflatable decorations being shot up in California and, you know, anti-Semitic slurs being screamed out. You go, is this safe for my family? And of course, you have to then go, yes, but we fight stronger than that. We have to.

And you have to shine that light in the darkness. And that is true in terms of our fight for the freedom of speech. Because again, What comes for for for you if not is only that bad speech wins. And if you've been on social media the last few months, it feels like that has been what's been going on. Whether that's from conspiracy theories, whether that is the negativity that's coming through.

Look, from all levels and from both sides, it has been a rough. Go at it, folks. Let's not pretend. From the vice President yesterday, we were talking about the vice President and the President. It feels like, you know, we live in a very strange world right now.

Where It's like on the one hand, you're like, thank you for all the policies that you're doing, the work that you're doing, the actual fundamental thing is actually if you stripped away the public perspective, of course there's a lot of really good. But I don't know why we're all having such willy-nilly Conversation about anti-Semitism on X, if we're that level of leader. Like, if you want to do that, Host a forum. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's very important.

And from political side, to say, you know, we debate issues in our country. Like, we don't agree with each other on strategies of war, strategies combating terrorism, how to treat this, abortion. I mean, all those issues exist. LGBT issues.

Well, I think that's all exist because it's a Western country. They're dealing with a lot of the issues we deal with: taxes, all of that.

So if you want to have those debates, you could say, see, Israelis debate it, U.S. can debate how we should be involved. At the same time, When you say In a tweet, and I'll just give a little preview here of his vice President, that you cannot like Israel. But not be anti-Semitic? How do you not, if you just don't like a country that is 95% Jewish?

Right? If you don't like a country that's 95% Jewish, that's anti-Semitic. Yeah, I mean, that, again, was from the vice President in the middle of an X conversation. We'll talk about that a little bit later of why that, again, why are you even engaging? Why do you feel like that?

Because you could isolate that. He may have been trying to do something good. He may have been. But, you know, words are so parsed on X because you're limited in words. You don't have time to explain.

I think it's time that we reevaluate the way a lot of our leadership. Communicates with us. And I think on those kind of things. If you wanna post, hey, we did this, or here's the link. No, that's the modern way of messaging.

But why you're getting engaged in that level and why you're taking um Really, what could be like the most divisive time? You're talking about also doing it at a time after the mass shooting when Jews in America and around the world are scared about celebrating what is a minor holiday. You don't want to hear that from the funeral. It's really a fun holiday in Judaism. It's one that we still celebrate in our family.

We were lighting the second night last night. Our kids love it. I didn't have enough guilt last night. Guilt is the chocolate gold coins. But again, the dreidel.

It's kind of become like, it's part of a Western knowledge because of movies that we see and also just intermarriage that happens that even. You might not. Um You might be Christian, but you have this Jewish heritage or intermarriage couples that are doing both, which Vice President Vance is doing. Yeah, I think a lot of people are like that. A lot of people are responding to what's going on.

And they see, I see a lot of my Christian friends, including, I mean, obviously our family is a Christian family. My Christian friends lighting menorahs this week, telling about a great story of triumph of God's protection and, you know. Pre-Jesus miracles, what was going on, Old Testament style stories and great analogies and great allegories you can teach to your kids. But that's why you have to have your voice. That's why you have to be able to respond when people say things that even you disagree with and be able to have that voice that's loud.

When we're doing it, doing the light. When we're right now, though, we are in this special week. And I do want to preview, give you a bit of a preview to our new project. Again, this is called The Chilling Effect, A War on Free Speech. It's different than what people might see.

This is brand new.

So I want to tell you that. If you saw the preview from yesterday, we're giving you a new one today. All week, you're going to be. Seeing brand new content. Yeah, we're going to do brand new content this week that you're going to see.

Again, this footage was shot, delivered, they showed it to me. I go, we can do a lot with this. We can make this something really, really special. And that is why we want to put together, and it only happens with your support. And yesterday, like I said, you showed up.

I'm going to encourage you to do it again. Your donation will be doubled.

So here's a quick preview at another new look at the chilling effect of War on Free Speech. If I tell you to close your eyes and imagine free speech, I think most of us imagine people on the street paying. Picket Signs megaphone. This is your baby girl or your baby boy? This is not a clump of cells.

This is not a parasite. This is your baby. When God tells you what to do, you cannot hesitate. Um I'm a cyborg preacher and evangelist outside the Northeast Ohio Women's Center. We share the gospel and we offer to minister to women because we have to raise our voice and use our voice to get them to hear us.

Over generally kazoos, whistles, cowbells, music, any sort of musical instrument you can hold with your hand, they probably use. Ma'am, we're all here for you. Please don't do this. If you fear going out in public, And saying something. If you fear that, based on perception or the reality that the government is going to retaliate, then you're dealing with the First Amendment issue.

That itself can be a symptom of other problems and it can lead to a A chilling. The sergeant on duty comes up and said, you're coming with us. And I'm like, for what? I was confused. And under threat of arrest, I went and followed him because I had no idea what was going on.

And then I was eventually cited for disorderly conduct. He said, whether or not you use amplified sound, if you cause annoyance to anybody again, then you're going to be charged. We're always a little bit fearful that he or I will be taken to jail. That has been our pro-life work for decades. And it's still happening.

I mean, I thought it was great that people got to see what the other side's doing. Yeah, always. The noise-making, the amplification, and what those clinics look like. My God, you want to go into a place like that. Because medical law, you know, and have an invasive medical procedure where you're taking one human life.

And by the way, if you mess it up, you can have two human lives at stake. And remember, though, this is what's going on in the streets of America. And who's getting arrested are the peaceful protesters who are not even protesting. They're just trying to really help you make a better decision. But you know what?

It's their right to do what they want to do. And of course, you see that what's crazy, though, if you just footage was grainy in a different aspect ratio, they could be right out of 1985, right out of 1989, 1991. These are the same battles we've been fighting here for 35 years. The difference is the time has changed. You have seen what we never thought could happen with the overturning of Roe versus Wade.

We have seen so much progress. But still, Things like this happen.

Well, you need to have your freedom of speech because, in areas of the country where abortion is illegal or unthinkable, There are areas where it is more legal than it's ever been to the point of just incredibly disturbing.

So, you have to make sure that we have people like the knots who can go out there and still speak their mind.

So, right now, I want you to support our brand new docuseries, The Chilling Effect. It only happens if you want it to happen. Your donation is doubled today, too, because it's matched during our year-end freedom drive. We've got a second half hour coming up. It's going to be packed.

We are going to take some more calls, just found out at 1-800-684-3110. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Secula. Welcome back to Sekulow second half hour.

Look, some things change. Obviously, there's obviously some scheduling changes that happened because we were talking about some high-level guests. But because some of those changes are happening, Rick Ridnell is still joining us, but we're going to have a segment. Calls and comments.

So I want you to go ahead and get online right now. Get on hold, 1-800-684-3110. Of course, we are talking about a myriad of different topics, whether that is the Brown University shooter currently at large, armed and dangerous. We'll keep you updated if anything happens to that. We are talking about the fight against anti-Semitism.

As we know, this was a very intense week for the Jewish community as we're celebrating Hanukkah. And at the same time, having this attack happen in Australia, having the protests that have gotten out of hand in some of these places against the Jewish community, shooting of just inflatables on someone's front yard in Los Angeles and LA. You know, this is what's happening around the country. At the same time, you have the FBI thwarting a terrorist attack in Los Angeles on New Year's Eve from a group that probably would be another one of these. Thankfully, Yes, they're pro-Palestinian.

I mean, the thing says pro-Palestinian. Thankfully, we have an FBI that's doing their jobs in that sense and are trying to stop these kind of things from occurring when there's these big coordinated attacks that look like we're going to have IEDs. And we're probably going to learn more about that coming up.

So, in again, and then, of course, you have the tragedy of Rob Reiner and his wife. It just feels like the week has been heavy. Very heavy. And you don't want that, understandably, in the week before Christmas. You don't want that as a week before New Year's Eve.

This is the holiday season for everyone right now. And I understand that turning on the news can be very difficult. Turning on your television just to see tragedy after tragedy after tragedy. And you may wonder, what is it that I can do? And of course, we have resources, we have ways that you can help.

And I encourage you to go to aclj.org just to look at some of the resources that we have that hopefully will help you out here. But I understand it's tough. Here's what I'm going to ask you: it's very simple. But I want to know your thoughts, and I want you to call in. And if you have a feeling about any of these issues, let's hear from you today.

But if you're online. I want to see just, and I like to do this because it's always interesting for me to see around the world where people are watching from. And, you know, I'm not doing it just because I like to look at it. I like to see where people are watching, but I also love to see where we can be praying for, where we can be activated.

So let me know in the chat if you're watching on YouTube or on Rumble or Facebook, where are you watching from? Uh You know, where are you around the world? Because what's always fun to see is not only do we cover this country, is what happens in America, Jordan, it's something we've talked about before. What happens in America has such a bigger impact on the world that I think people who spend time overseas don't understand. That if you turn on the news in Europe, Likely, you're hearing about President Trump.

Oh, every day. You're definitely hearing about what's happening in the United States of America some days more than others. But that's usually, especially for European-wide news services, they're leading with what is America up to? Because why?

Well, the Middle East, we're the lead party there. Russia, Ukraine, we're the lead party in between those two. And so because Europe has kind of lost some of its hard power. and economic power. Um And it started, you know, the divisions there with the EU and the UK and all those things.

Podcasts or web shows, places that are free. That are free worldwide. I'm telling you, you're impacting people all over the world, Logan, and that's for good, but also can be for very bad. Yeah, I mean, our audience is growing massively. We've been talking about that, that this is the biggest the show has ever been in its 30 years of existence because we're now able to reach a live worldwide audience.

Because we're also Not dictated, not controlled by sponsors, by networks. We are on a lot of great networks, and I appreciate them much. Restoral Radio Series XM or Salem News Channel, but they don't control the content that we provide here. We're able to do that to you without a paywall, by the way. That is something that very few, even in our space, can offer.

You know, there's people who always are like, you know, you get the first 10 minutes and then you got to go pay. That's not what we do here. We want to make sure the message is out there. By the way, that only happens because it's not like our crew doesn't get paid. Of course, they do.

I want the best of the best here. That only happens because you give and you donate. Insurance, Raise Your Voice Week, but no, also, we're talking about an incredible media team that put together that documentary series and are still working on it right now as we speak. And we want to up the production of that. We're in pre-production, really early days of production.

You're seeing more just samples of what it could look like.

So go to aclj.org, know you're supporting not only our legal efforts, but our media team as well. When you support the work at aclj.org slash voice, if you do it at that link, aclj.org slash voice, you'll also get your name in the credits as a founding producer. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. Rick Rinnell's joining us now.

We also have phone lines open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We're going to take some calls in the next segment. We had some scheduled shake-ups, so now we have some time for your calls and comments.

So, if it's about any of the topics we brought up today, I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. Before we get to Rick, Will, I know there was a topic you wanted to bring up with him.

Well, because I love to bring up Rick's favorite hometown newspaper, the LA Times, and they have a new investigation out, Rick, that some DOJ lawyers resigned from their posts because of a fraudulent University of California anti-Semitism probe, is what the fraudulence in quotes.

So, you know, the reporter's just doing his due diligence and quoting these individuals. Once again, we see. Uh that There is a push from the outside to try and reframe what everyone saw with their eyes on the campuses of University of California, many of the Ivy League schools across the country as people that were Jewish were targeted. It wasn't just an anti-Israel protest. We saw it.

We know what happened. We saw the fear in students just trying to walk to class. But now the LA Times is trying to. take disgruntled DOJ employees and make this into some sort of fraudulent retribution campaign by President Trump against the University of California? What are your thoughts on this?

Well, first of all, let's remember that this reporter from the LA Times is actually a former Huffington Post reporter. And he says that he has nine anonymous Quotes. What is crazy in today's world is how editors are allowing reporters to say they have nine anonymous sources. You're telling me that out of nine people, if they exist, not one of them would go on the record And they're all supposedly former DOJ officials.

So it's not like their job is going to be threatened. They can't even be whistleblowers at this point. But but the reality is that we see this from the LA Times, we see this from the far left reporters. They use anonymous sources. And I have to tell you, I don't even believe that these people exist.

I think this is completely made up. The abuse of reporters talking about anonymous sources It's just too much. And we've got to get back to the point where editors question who is your source? Why are they saying they're anonymous? What is their motive?

If they even exist.

Well, and Rick, the timing of this, this report comes out over the weekend. We also see what happened in Australia. We see that anti-Semitism is an evil that is pervasive throughout the world, not just in Australia, as we saw that horrific attack on Hanukkah, but as we see here in the United States as well, that this evil is growing and it is real.

So it's just even mind-boggling why this reporter, former Huffington Post alum and now LA Times reporter, feels that this is the angle to go down. And we talk about the anonymous sources issues, how much leeway that the media is getting these days of creating things out of thin air, of pushing narratives, doing opinion journalism under the guise of investigative reporting. How do you see this changing in the future?

Well, I think the grownups, the editors are going to have to step in because we right now we have this phenomenon in the media, and I see it every day because I'm one of the targets. Is that when a newspaper reporter will write something, They can use anonymous sources, they can take a hit on you. But there will be four or five other. uh newspapers or outlets. That will rewrite, they call it a rewrite.

They will rewrite the story. Like, for instance, if the LA Times says, Rick Renell says that there is no sun. Yeah. There would be The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, Vanity Fair, all of these left wing publications Would do the same story and then buried in it would s they would say something like, Oh, this is from another newspaper. You don't even know that the reporters that are repeating this gossip never talk to me, never checked the sources.

This is what they call a rewrite in the industry.

Now, I can tell you, I've been around the media for 25 years. This used to be immoral to do. Reporters early on would say, no, no, no. Editors would say, no, no. They would not allow you to just rewrite something that another newspaper said and pretend like it's your source.

This industry has got to change. It's getting worse. And we need editors who are adults, who are more mature to step in and control some of these young reporters who are just recklessly and breathlessly quoting their friends or making up sources. Yeah, it's whatever you can do to get clicks. I think that's sadly.

The world we live in, Rick, is they need to sell ads. They only sell ads if they have enough people to go to their website. And only people go to the website if there's something salacious we're going to click on. And if it doesn't exist, well, just make it up. And like you said, you could go out there and say there is no son.

They'd run it. They'd all run it. And then listen, you'd come out and say, I never said that. And then maybe they'd issue a correction and that correction. The difference is, and we've seen this happen so many times with us within social media.

It's like when things got flagged for this was misinformation or whatever. We'd say, well, no, it wasn't. Here's why. Then, of course, that social media platform would say, you know what, you're right. But they had already notified 5 million people that what you shared was fake news.

They didn't, of course, send them a, by the way, we were wrong. Here's the correction push notification.

So even when they have that small bit of journalistic integrity, the corrections are always buried. They are never upfront for anyone to see. Yeah. Now look, one thing that you hit on, which is important for us to say. And admit is that the media is a business.

They all now know who their customers are, whether it's the right, left, center, and they just play to their customers. And so if we can just be upfront and say, this isn't a news organization, it's a business. that is going to repeat some news and some editorials, I think the public would respond positively. They would say, okay, now I know exactly who you are. I don't have to pretend that you're unbiased news.

And gone is the day that we have any unbiased news organizations. They're all businesses. And so, what do we do as a consumer? We have to be aggressive about understanding. What we're consuming.

We have a responsibility to get multiple sources, multiple outlets. Don't just go to one place and also be skeptical. Question what you're reading. Yeah, I mean, this is from the piece, and this to me is: you know, these are supposed to be from one of the people who quit. Quote, I think there were absolutely Jewish people on campuses, those are UC campuses, that face legitimate discrimination.

Okay, right away that kills their headline, right? But the way we were pushed so hard to investigate, it was clear to many of us that it was a political hit job that actually would end up not helping anyone. You mean a political hit job because the $17.5 billion UC receives in taxpayer funds from the federal government, and they want to make sure that before they continue to receive those funds, Rick, that they handle what this. Aggrieved Unnamed DOJ attorney said we're absolutely Jewish people on campuses facing legitimate discrimination.

So right away, they quit. because they didn't like. The aggressiveness of combating anti-Semitism by the Trump administration and the DOJ? Yes, this is exactly what you're pointing out is exactly the problem within the industry, which is a reporter who has an agenda and who goes out and finds other people repeating this agenda. And so this isn't a news article from the Los Angeles Times.

This is a Huffington Post dial. Repeat. And recycle. what the far left believes about any issue. And they do it in the form of news.

And so I think that what we have to do is call it out. Maybe we should have a segment a week where we just pick one of the most egregious stories Dissect it, talk about the reporters. I think it's really important to out these reporters and the editors. Find out who edited the piece, who wrote the headline, who wrote the lead. These people need to be held to account.

And one of the best ways is to name them, shame them, hold them accountable, and make sure that they're getting press attention on their bias. We have a case coming. I'm not going to get into the details now, but it's on exactly this: being able to combat this legally. A lot of those, you know, defamation cases, all this kind of stuff, it's become almost impossible in the United States of America. And because of that, and I think those who were originally writing the laws had no idea what it was impossible to predict social media, the fact that you can become famous on your own, more famous than someone on local TV, which used to be the only place you've got your news sources or the three channels.

And so, again, we are at the forefront of this. And I just think that, Rick, what's important for people is. When they see these headlines, What these news agencies do do now is they include the truth in there.

So the truth was. The headline's false. Yeah. We always said the headline reform is what's needed. The Jewish kids weren't being discriminated against aggressively.

They just don't like the way the DOJ was aggressively trying to end it. Yeah, Rick, we are running out of time for this segment. We appreciate you calling in. Look, we are on the forefront of the fight for free speech. And that's part of that, too, because free speech also needs to be honest speech.

We need to be making sure when we get these sources, we know they're coming from the real and right places.

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There's a lot of stuff on the calendar. You get called up. Listen, Jared Someone I text with. You have a group of members of Congress I text with. Again, both sides of the aisle.

But he's also been one of those people that's been on the forefront of the fight against anti-Semitism, something that he's very passionate about in support of Israel. Even one of the Democrats, he's a Democrat that is still maybe traditionally. Really, October 7th kind of is when we kind of came back together and said, there's a lot of things we can do together because of what's happening inside the Democrat caucus. And now what we're starting to see a bubble up. First, it was, you know, it's on the outside.

It's on the podcast of the more extreme, like the Nick Fuentez's of the world. And then Tucker Carlson kind of takes it up to another level. Candace Owens takes it to another level. And then the vice President starts getting involved in the conversation. Yeah, this happened last night, which I don't know what.

It was okay. It was based off a report from a couple, actually from 2024. And it was a study done that showed that a lot of young voters on both sides of the aisle. Held more anti-Israel and anti-Jewish beliefs. And it was kind of a sliding scale of like, they weren't all like hatred.

There was a sliding scale. But what it showed was there wasn't a huge difference among if you were a young voter that voted. Democrat, or you're a young voter that voted Republican. And we've kind of seen that now. Is that we knew that this kind of infected the young left, the young radical left.

We are starting to see it infect the young right. And when I say the young right, I mean like, you know, staffers on Capitol Hill.

So the vice President first had, he put an ex post up about that, and he said, the one thing that this article misses, and it is true. is that it doesn't talk about also the demographics that have changed in America.

So, you're talking to a lot of. Remember, we brought in people from parts of the world that do have. very anti-Israel. Views. We have different kinds of immigration.

So all of that needs to kind of go in there. Is it really just white kids? I think that's what he was saying. Are you trying to blame a bunch of white kids who are conservative and liberal? Or are you going to actually break this down by?

uh demographic groups. Um and I think if it was left there That was it. That was fine to say. Like, I don't know even if I agree with that. I think all this report was trying to say is that this is an issue both sides have to confront, which I don't think that's that controversial.

We know it, we see it. I think that's right. You can hear it and find it. He knows that too. But then someone who is a kind of, I don't know if I'd call them white supremacist online, but definitely anti-Semitic, wrote back, not going to say their names, I don't want to give them more.

She said, actually, to the vice President, actually, white conservative Zoomers don't really like Israel anymore either, JD, which again, I mean, it's the vice President of the United States. He's a really smart guy, by the way. He's also married to someone who is Hindu and he's got kids with different color skin. I mean, all these things. Things that you would think would make it.

Even when you see these attacks, say, you know, this is like one step away. I mean, there were people confusing, you know, when there were moves against Muslims, which we totally condemn. They were confusing Indian people with Muslim people. I mean, that was horrible that we were seeing that. It was horrible, any of these kinds of violence.

But then he writes back to her and said, Well, I would say there's a difference between not liking Israel. Or disagreeing with a given Israel policy and anti-Semitism. If he'd said, I think there's a difference between disagreeing with a given Israel policy and anti-Semitism. I don't really think that I'd be talking about this. I don't think he needed to write.

I would say there's a difference between not liking Israel. Not liking Israel. Is a Really big state. That is because, like, what I said. He's not saying you disagree with Netanyahu or the administration.

That may be what he's inferring. I think he put that in the quote, so maybe he's trying to, but you know, this is the problem with X. I don't think they're this deep. And again, what I would just say, the vice President's team, who I really respect, because I think he's a really smart guy. He's a great conservative leader.

He's young. He's our age, and I think that's cool. Let's not play into. Nick Fuentez, because you know what Nick Fuentez wrote back right to the vice President, and he had an opportunity. He could have smacked Nick Fuentez down.

Because Nick Fuentes said it's okay to be anti-Israel. Yeah. Which is kind of what you read in the vice President. I don't think he implied that. I'm just saying, like, guys, this is what it reads like to those who are.

Want justification for their views. And you just gave Nick Fuentes, who, by the way, attacks your wife. Because of of her because of her family being immigrants. And in her faith. And her differences, so in effect, she's attacking you and your kids.

And you're giving him a voice. And I'm not saying you need to respond to it. If you're going to respond to this other woman, you might as well respond to Nick Foyne and say, no, that is not right. Yeah, at some point, maybe, look, I know we've always said, you know, the President, the vice President. Be sitting down.

Yeah, and saying, look, if you're going to put something out like this, we need to be thinking about it because I would say there's a difference between not liking Israel and Semitism. It's two days into Hanukkah. There was just a mass killing of Jews in Australia. And you're talking about the difference between not liking Israel and being anti-Semitic. Here's the problem: if you don't like all of Israel.

and you don't think it should exist. Because that's what that means. I don't like Israel. There's nothing they can do for me to like them. I don't care if they have a more liberal 90% Jewish, and it's the place where all Jews can go if they are being persecuted wherever they are in the world.

That's why it exists. That's why the world created it. It was supposed to be a positive from the Western world to say, you know what? These people need a place to go because there's too many leaders that pop up all over different parts of the world, from the Middle East to Europe to Africa, all over Asia.

So we've got to have a place where Jews can protect themselves. And we're going to stand with those countries. We're going to stand with Israel. And that's what the world created Israel for. And yet So if you're against the whole idea of Israel It's anti-Semitic.

Because it's 90% Jewish. Yes, they treat their non-Jewish citizens extremely equally. Yes, of course. They have equal voting rights, political rights. They serve in the military, high-level.

All religions are represented. They're high-level Muslim members of the IDF, and thank God for them because they can provide services that Jewish IDF soldiers couldn't do. They understand how great life is there in Israel. Of course, their voices don't get any recognition whatsoever. People act like they don't exist.

You know, there's black Jews. People always forget about the Ethiopian Jews. Go to Israel, you'll see them in their uniforms. Why did they leave? They left because there were persecution issues going on in places like Ethiopia.

There's Nigerian Christians, there's been a huge population of Nigerian Christians who have relocated to Israel. Right now, right because of the persecution of Christians, right?

Well, and Logan, it goes back to what you said on the broadcast yesterday about I just want to say, you can't say you're you don't support Israel as a whole. Existing and say, I'm not anti-Semitic. That doesn't exist. That doesn't work. And it goes back to what you said after the attack against Jews on Hanukkah in Australia.

That is not an attack because you don't like Israel. It's an attack on Jews and people that try to parse this out publicly. Even in places of authority, They doth protest too much. Like they're trying to make something fit that doesn't exist at the end of the day. It is all because it's rooted in anti-Semitism.

It's thousands of years old. This is not a new concept. And people that are buying into it now and saying they don't like Israel are buying into the jihadist lie of Israel being the little Satan. You know what the other thing is? Is there one step away from hating the big Satan as well, which is the United States?

That's why they're planning. You see the attack in Australia, and then you see the bombings that were thwarted on New Year's Eve in Los Angeles. That was not targeted just at Jews. That was targeted at. America because we are the great state.

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