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Jordan is in studio. We have Mike Pompeo joining us later. Greg Goren from our office from the European Center for Law and Justice is in studio here in Nashville. It is going to be a packed show. And of course, we're going to take your calls and comments as much as we can at 1-800-684-3110 as we are still kicking off Grandparents Week here at the ACLJ during our Freedom Drive where all donations are doubled right now.

So I'm excited to keep telling you about that and to share more information about that. But the big news of the day, of course, the Democrats, if a handful of them decided, you know what, guys, maybe it's time we make some compromises here. We try to get the government reopen. We try to do what's right for the people. We try to get a SNAP refunded.

We try to get the FAA handled.

So there's not right now 1,200 cancellations today. In flights And of course, Will, that is far too much.

So much so that a group is calling, a group of Democrats, House Democrats is calling. for minority leader Chuck Schumer, long time. Uh leader in Washington, D.C. They said, you know what? A little bit of compromise is too much for us.

We're calling for you to resign.

Well, in reality, what the Democrats that left the party stronghold on this vote to reopen the government were just wanting to do that: reopen the government, let people that are on SNAP benefits get their benefits, let the air traffic get back to normal. And Chuck Schumer, from the beginning, you know that he has been terrified of the far left of his base. There's always the talk about whether or not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will run for his seat and try to primary him for the Senate in New York.

So when you see the outrage from the House, one, the House Democrats don't really get a say in who the party leader is in the Senate, but it speaks to where maybe many on the left in the Senate are when it comes to this. We know that Bernie Sanders was very upset that these eight Democrats decided to vote to end the government shutdown. And now you're seeing people like Seth Moulton from Massachusetts, Roe Cona. From California, Rashida Talib, Mike Levin from California, and many others are starting to come out and say he's ineffective. How dare he?

He capitulated to the Republicans. When in reality, Jordan, I think the Democrats in the Senate that did decide to end this realized that it was nonsensical and hurting the country. I'm sorry. hurting their constituents. To have, I mean, so many government employees in his state, in Virginia.

And then, of course, military too. The pressure, when you add military plus the bureaucrats who live in Virginia, I mean, this is a significant amount of the voting group on both sides of the aisle in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

So he just couldn't withstand the pressure anymore. And so, did they get anything? Absolutely not. The left only hurt the American economy for a month. And they made people scared.

They hurt the Snap Benefit programs. And what did they get from it? Ultimately, a peel-off of eight Democrat senators who said, This is absurd, Chuck Schumer. This is absurd. This is ultimately going to backfire on us.

And even though shutdowns usually are blamed on the party in charge, when it shows you that these eight Democrats now, actually came across how can you say that Republicans were the problem here when obviously it was Chuck Schumer and others saying, we can't break, we can't fold. But ultimately, these brave Democrat senators said, enough. That's right. Hey, phone lines are open for you. As you said, what's your thoughts on this?

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Well, lines are open for you. I'd love to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. Of course, we got to start this segment off also celebrating Veterans Day as we celebrate our veterans and those who have served this country. And if you're one of those people, or maybe you are a family member, one of those people, and you're watching on YouTube or Rumble, put it in the chat. Let me know.

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So thank you for that as well. But, Jordan, when we talk about what's going on here with the shutdown, now it's passed the Senate.

So, one, John Thune, the majority leader in the Senate, incredible job of getting that, limiting the debate, unanimous consent in getting this over.

So we have to say thanks to him because this is a long time coming now at this point. Republicans in the Senate, for the most part, just staying there until they got the job done. Even though it was a slog. To get these Democrats finally to come on board. I knew they wanted to get through their election day.

to try to use that as blame. Maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. Those are tough states. I think that the Everybody shouting, oh my gosh, look what happened in Virginia and New York. I think some of that is, these are races we hardly ever win.

I mean, Andrew Cuomo was the candidate we hoped would win in New York for mayor. He was a former Democrat governor. He's someone who's looking to run for President against Donald Trump, was a very liberal guy. He was going to be the hope. I mean, so it wasn't like a Republican had a chance there.

Virginia goes back and forth constantly. It's just not predictable. In New Jersey, it's very tough. We're right on the line, but it seems like it's just been, you know, other than a few one-offs, Chris Christie and then I think it was Christie Todd Whitman back in the day were the only two Republicans who ever did get to governor there. And again, it doesn't mean you give up on those places, but to say that that's where the rest of the country is, no.

No. I think it was a bit of an overcorrect to say that they have a mandate now. Bernie Sanders had to go and say, we had a mandate. That's why we can't reopen the government. And of course, we see the American people, like I said, hurting.

We know they're hurting. We know that people are on SNAP and other food assistance. We're dealing with that. We saw, I mean, on a small microcosm level, if you will, a Cece's pizza. Which I already say is a company that you're going there, you guys are feeding families for $5, whatever it may be for the buffet, everything.

They lowered their price to $299 and then had to shut it off. Because hundreds of thousands of people signed up for the $2. Pizza Buffet. Which to me says great, great marketing. And they said, they put out their statement, we did not expect hundreds of thousands of people to respond to a CC's pizza promotion.

Clearly, that's a sign of the times, whether you want to look at it, however you want to look at it.

Well, and I think this is what's so fascinating to me as you see the pressure that's coming from the left wing of the party.

Now, the ones that are vocal about it right now are the ones in the House because they have that luxury. Because I don't think the left-wing senators are as vocal right now, but I could expect that that could change very shortly. We know that there is a lot of people, especially the members of the Senate, that weren't in that group of eight that decided to help in the government shutdown. We're not happy about this. But here's what Rashida Tlaib put out on X.

She said, Senator Schumer has failed to meet this moment and is out of touch with the American people. The Democrat Party needs leaders who fight and deliver for working people. Schumer should step down. What I would question the congresswoman is. How is keeping people who need food assistance from getting that?

How is Keeping people who have to go to extremely stressful jobs, like the military, like being an air traffic controller, like doing anything where you are in public service, where you're working for the U.S. government. Forcing them to work without pay. How is that fighting and delivering for working people by continuing to keep the government shut down? It's not like this was some Republican wishlist bill.

What the Republicans were trying to push was a continuing resolution. It's actually filled with a lot of stuff Republicans don't want to be funding. Funding at the normal level, it just didn't increase funding. But that was it. It just said For this period of time, we can't come to a long-term agreement, so we're going to continue funding the government at the pace we have been, which is, again, Republicans who would like to cut government spending, saying because of the, you know, we can't, we don't have time and we don't want people to suffer.

And we want our military, we want our veterans to make sure they're getting the benefits. We want people who rely on SNAP because they're in a tough economic spot to be able to get those benefits as well. We don't want to take a hit on the economy, which this has caused. Um But again, the Democrats said no, because you've got to expand. Obamacare.

And you've got to expand the Obamacare program, not keep it the same, but you've got to actually expand it. And expand the mandate. And we've seen the cost in that program continually rise. Under uh both parties. And President Trump has now come out with proposals.

which we've talked about before in the past, Republicans have talked about, is that instead of giving this money basically to insurance companies to set up these exchanges to lower cost, why don't we give money to the people so that they can go to the insurance companies and negotiate themselves?

Well, and to that point as well, and this is how we use it for that.

So if you're going to get the money, you can't like go and buy a car with it. If you're going to utilize it, it's to get insurance for you and your family, but you then are in the position to get the exact insurance that you need instead of the big insurance companies running the program. I just think it's, there are bet, there are ideas out now. People said Republicans had no idea of what to do to replace Obamacare, and President Trump is now letting more pieces of that out as we speak about, I think, the priority over the next few years, depending on election cycles, of what we could do to replace it with something better for the American people.

Well, and Jordan, I think to that point as well, where you can put a knock on the messaging to some Republicans. Is that the fight over this vote that the Democrats will get? They'll get a vote in the Senate.

So that was the one giveaway.

Now, they have no promises there will even be a vote in the House for this, but to maintain these expanded subsidies. And a lot of the Republican talking points were just specifically on the fact that this expanded subsidies could be used in some ways by people who are undocumented in the United States. And that was the big messaging point. I think the broader messaging point is actually more effective with not just the MAGA base or the Republican base or conservative base, but with all Americans is that the subsidies they were fighting for weren't even the baseline Obamacare law. These were subsidies that Joe Biden got through during the COVID emergency.

They were only meant to be, there's a reason they expired. The ones in the law, the ACA, don't expire because that was meant to be the healthcare law. These were put in place in 2021 as a means to be a stopgap for people that their tax returns would show higher income than the suffering they were getting during the COVID pandemic because of turnover, not getting paid, maybe being laid off.

So they had this stopgap that was supposed to expire. That way, people could get insurance during a time where they may have lost their job and whatever. The Democrats want to make that permanent. Right, because it made it feel like it lowered the cost. It didn't.

You just got more money to spend. And what you also see here is that even Bloomberg News, not just the right and think tanks and things like that, but Bloomberg News did an expose about how rife with fraud that was because brokerages and things saw an opportunity to sign people up for $0 out of their pocket healthcare plans. And then the brokerages and insurances made a lot of money during the COVID pandemic. We got Mike Pompeo joining us in the next segment. Before that, I actually want to get to Warren in line three, who is a grand champion.

It was awesome to hear you say that, Warren. He's got a question, and I think we actually have an answer for that. Go ahead, Warren. Weren't you there? Warren, the grand champion.

Put him back on hold and see if we can get to him. He had a good question. His question was: Can we put into law that military or air traffic controllers, these kind of people get to be continued to be paid during future shutdowns? We do know that in this version, though, if there is a shutdown within the next year. That they'll get held over?

No, that's so the most of the government is only going to be funded through January 31st.

So we got this coming again pretty soon. Right, but it is the SNAP program because the entire agriculture appropriations is through the end of the year. They can't hold that November. That as well as military construction and veterans.

So they're going to make sure they take care of the veterans' affairs as well. And then the legislative payments. Let's throw the FAA in there just to make it. I think they should have, right? Military pay as well, right?

That I have to do a little bit more research on that, but it is a part of military and construction projects. I don't know how broadly that reads in the appropriation. Onlines are open for you. Mike Pompeo is going to be joining us. I did want to say thanks to a lot of you who have commented about you or your family member that are members of the military.

Obviously, we're veterans. It's Veterans Day. We're celebrating our veterans.

So, between Paul, Peter, Stephen, Evie, Jim, Speck, Michael, and the tons of people who have commented saying that it was whether your father, your uncle, your brother, your sister, so many of those, I can't even list them all, but know that we are celebrating with them today, whether they are still with us or not. And of course, if you want to support the work of the ACLJ, We are there supporting our veterans also all the time. Whenever you're in need, you can go to aclj.org/help. But for right now, I encourage you, we are in these big months, big fundraising months, but specifically this week is Grandparents Week. You don't have to be a grandparent to give, but we'd love for you to consider your future at aclj.org.

Welcome back to Sekulow.

Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-68-430-110. We are now joined by Senior Counsel for Global Affairs. We have phone Mike Pompeo. Secretary Pompeo, for the first time yesterday, the President of Syria visited the White House. President Trump eased sanctions after that.

Welcome Syria to the coalition to fight extremist groups in the Middle East. Is this a good look for the United States, and how does it affect our relationships with the Middle East and specifically with Israel? Most definitely the right choice for President Trump to make. Earlier, one of your guests said, trust but verify, that's absolutely the case. This guy's got a long history.

He was fighting with Al Qaeda. And then he fought against Assad, who we also were in opposition to.

So he's got a lot to prove and a very difficult task in front of him. But we should support him. We should encourage him. He is working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. He's working with the Emirates.

if we get this right, if Syria can be reunified, no small task. And if Al Shar is serious, President of Syria is serious about countering extremism, this puts this is a great thing for the United States of America. It means the risk that we have to put our young soldiers, our young men and women here we are on Veterans Day to put these folks in harm's way less frequently in the Middle East. is a glorious thing. And if he can lead this forward, this will truly be historic.

Well, Mr. Secretary, I know many people have concerns about the history and the background of this leader that is now the President of Syria. But I think also people should look at what President Trump and what you did in the first term, that going in meeting with Kim Jong-un, having summits with people that the previous administration, at that point the Obama administration, would refuse to even talk with, is that just more evidence of how the Trump foreign policy plays out? Is that you cannot get anywhere if you don't even want to talk to someone and figure out where you can go?

So is speaking with a foreign leader, even if you hope that they can be brought into the fold, should it be not necessarily even seen as an endorsement, but just as a way of the way that President Trump conducts his foreign policy? Precisely right. We met with them all. We met with Chairman Kim. President Trump sent me to meet with the Taliban.

None of us mistook any of these folks for people who were on our side or with us, but they were counterparties with whom we had to deal to protect and preserve America's interests, to put our country first. And that's what you saw with this meeting in the White House. President Trump is not naive about this gentleman's history. I think he described him as having a tough background. That's a very polite way to put it.

But in the end, what we need to do is move forward, look to the things that matter the most for the United States of America and a unified Syria that was prepared to push the Iranians out, to push the Russians out and to Acknowledge Israel's fundamental right to exist, something that has not ever been the case. None of those have been the case for decades now. If an Assyrian leadership under this gentleman is prepared to do that, that is a wonderful thing for the region and good for the United States as well. As well, we hear at the end of that when there were remarks that there seemed to be a spark of hope that. Even one day, someone like Syria, a nation like Syria, could be a part.

of a future Abraham Accords. There was discussion about that. The President of Syria said that he wasn't going to be holding direct talks with Israel at this time, but was almost asking the President to indirectly try to mediate between the two nations. We know that they share a border, that Syria and Israel have had a long history of fighting between the two countries in Israel, in Syria's history.

So even just the nod to potential future in looking that way seems like such a departure from the past and seems almost coming from the most unlikely of leaders that would even be potentially giving this a shot. Yes, I think it's fair to say he would not be someone that any of us would have picked. To be the leader five years ago. But this is not where we are today. The Middle East has changed after October 7th.

success of Operation Midnight Hammer against the Iranians, I think there's a new reality in the Middle East. And so someone like the President of Syria now has to acknowledge Israel's fundamental right to exist over time. Look, he's got a political challenge internally that he's got to address and deal with. But you're right, his willingness to even. talk about talking to the Israelis is a sea change in the relationship between the two.

I'm very confident that they're speaking between them through intermediaries about the security relationship between Syria and Israel. If we can get that piece right, we all know the Iranians have used Syria as their playground and have fomented so much terror in the world through Syria, into Lebanon, into Gaza, into Judea and Samaria. They bundled weapons through Syria. If al-Shara can manifest a united Syria that is working with the Gulf Arab States and with the West, This would be great for the people here. It's super good for him and wonderful for us as well, because the risk that there's more conflict and more fighting in the Middle East is enormously costly for the United States.

And we should do everything we can. And President Trump's meeting yesterday was a good step along the way. To reduce that crisp for that for lots of folks, including the Christians who have been persecuted in that region for so long. Secretary Pompeo, before we wrap up, it's always good to have your advice, your thoughts, because no one's been in the room quite like you have before. But here at the ACLJ, it is the middle of our Freedom Drive.

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Just opened up. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now, your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome back to Sekulow second half hour.

If you're joining us, welcome live: 1-800-684-30-110. Are you sure a bunch of lines open up during the break?

So, if you want to call in, great time to do it. In the back half of the show, we're going to take as many calls as we can, specifically in the final segments. You're not going to miss that. In the next segment, we're going to be joined by Greg Gore, who runs our office at the European Center for Law and Justice, the ECLJ. And by the way, when you support the work of the ACLJ, You are also supporting the work of the European Center for Law and Justice.

We're going to give you a really good understanding of why it's important and why we've been there for the last 25 plus years. Amazing stories that come out of Europe, especially right now. It's very important for us to have our international offices, whether that is the ECLJ, whether that is ACLJ, Jerusalem, and other places we don't even talk about. But we do that because people like you support the work of the ACLJ. I did want to take this quick call, real quick, because Jeff's been on hold for quite some time.

Jeff, go ahead. Hey, yeah, thanks for taking my call. What you mentioned about the SNAT benefits and the funding for them, to me, the bigger, greater, broader issue is that this is a signal to remind the church to step up and take back this function. In the book of Acts, didn't just a handful of disciples take care of the thousands of needy in Jerusalem? Yeah, Jeff, I'm going to say this.

One, of course, you're right. We need to be out there feeding the hungry, doing the things the Bible commands us to do. Absolutely, you're right. Here's also what I want to say. Is this a bit of one of those conversation pieces that I have with people like they only care about a baby before it's born?

It's like, no, you know what the church is doing a lot? feeding people. There's a lot of churches doing this and they've been doing it for a very long time. They do it without like a lot of fancy. There's not a lot of show going on with it.

So Jeff, though I understand your sentiment and I agree with it. And we can always do more. We can always do more. I think there are a lot of churches that have been doing that for a very long time. If you want to look for humanitarian aid when things go wrong or when there's a disaster or a crisis, who are the first people to show up?

The church.

So you know what? They take kind of a bad rap sometimes because sometimes they don't do it.

Soup kitchens, all those things.

So let's always remember there are people doing this.

However, you know my favorite thing, Jeff, has been people who have said, well, you know what? If the government's not going to do it, fine. We're all going to get together. We're all going to start feeding our neighbors. And I'm like, well, good.

If that's what it took, you know, if it took politics and someone's political point of view or your hatred of Donald Trump or the Republican Party to get you to go out there and help feed your neighbors, you know what? I guess there's a silver lining in everything. That's right. And I agree with you so much. I can't express how much, Logan, so much.

But yes, once again, there seems to be, and obviously you can find specific cases and point out things. But as a whole, people do forget that that is the function of the church and that is what. Most churches are doing. They are doing it, but they aren't writing press releases or posting everywhere. Just one of their programs.

Look what we're doing because of the government shutdown. They're doing it every single day, and people are volunteering their time, give their money, and make sure that people in their community are fed, they are clothed, that they have needs that are being met. And that is a function of the church. But just because you don't see it every day doesn't mean that it's not happening. But I agree with you as well.

I do like the attention being on it because that's what everyone should be doing. If we live in the in the society where we say, both Republicans and Democrats, that we shouldn't have to rely on our government for everything, then right. Feed your neighbor. And don't do it because you feel like it's a political win. You know, do it because you actually are a good person.

No, especially if it's a neighbor who is, you know, affected by this shutdown because they're not getting a paycheck. And so it's not like they, again, are asking you to do this all the time. It's just they're in a bit of a bind for this last couple of paychecks, and then things will get back to normal for them. I mean, it's just. Yeah.

All right, with that. This isn't just like feeding people for a year. We're talking about for two weeks. Yeah. Three weeks.

But like I said, you involve your local churches. You'd probably be surprised what's going on there. Phone lines are completely open right now. Which is fun, because that means in the next segment, we're going to have on Greg Gore from our office in Europe at the European Center for Law and Justice in France. He's here in the studio in Nashville, which is really great.

But that means we're going to put our phone screener to work.

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Um Welcome back to Sekulow. And Jordan, in this segment, this is a special treat. It is. We haven't had in our studio the director of the ECLJ until now here in Nashville studio.

So go ahead and introduce our guest. Gregor Popinik, who is the executive director of the European Center for Law and Justice and is overseeing a growing team of experts in so many different fields throughout Europe. And I think that has to be clear, though. You all know the office is based. We've talked about it before on our show in Strasbourg, France.

Usually you'll see us there. You saw me over the summer there and in other countries with Greg Orr. But he's in the United States making a trip through here as he is traveling to some international events. And I kind of wanted to give him a moment to kind of talk about what the European Center for Law and Justice is working on today. And Gregor, I think an issue, well, I know an issue that is so important to so many Americans and so many Europeans is.

immigration. And there's a case right now moving forward that the ECLJ is going to be involved in at the European Court of Human Rights out of the Netherlands involving immigration from the Islamic world when someone who has three wives and three different sets of children gets an okay to come into the Netherlands with one wife and one set of children. But now I said that's not good enough. Even though polygamy is outlawed in most of these countries that are part of the European Court of Human Rights and the Council of Europe, that's not enough.

So they're already looking at ways to bring polygamy into Europe through backdoor channels and courts. Yes, indeed. Thank you very much for hosting me. With the European Center for Law and Justice, we have been in over 80 cases before the European Court of Human Rights, which is the equivalent of the U.S. Supreme Court.

So bringing cases, representing clients. representing or helping states, sometimes intervene, so it's a very ruled specialty. And among the issues we're working on, increasingly, of course, is the difficulty of radical Islam in Europe. Because you know, we have a huge immigration and we are now facing what is called the attempt to for Muslim groups, radical Muslim groups to get into European societies and to use our legal system to bring their own system of life like polygamy. And this case that you're mentioning, it's a case against the Netherlands brought by a lawyer from Yemen.

But from the Muslim Brotherhood, he was one of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Yemen. and he has three wives and thirteen children. From those three wives. And he went to the Netherlands, he got refugee status in Europe because the Netherlands. felt obliged to following the Arab Spring.

And then he asked For his wives to come. Netherlands says we cannot because only one wife in the Netherlands.

So please pick one. Interesting. Interesting. So, you know, yes, it's not only equal, it's even up to woman, you know?

So pick one. One which one do you prefer? You took the first one, the one who has eight children with him. And they could come, they benefit from all the system uh of the Netherlands. They have housing, education, you know, health uh support.

Uh and then this man who is a Muslim Brotherhood, which means they try, you know, to to influence from inner society.

So this is the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood, is to get into society slowly and to make it Islamist. And so this person, who is a lawyer, he knows what he does. He knew that he would not ask after a while for his other wife to come because it's forbidden.

So he said, Look, let's ask for the children I have, because they are my kids. And so he said, please let my five other kids. get into the Netherlands. The Netherlands said no because, you know, polygamy is forbidden. And now, although he got all the support from the Netherlands, Uh all this material support From this country, you host him.

He's viewing the Netherlands before the Human Code of Human Rights. And then, through this process, Gregor, if. If the court, I mean, it could come down a number of ways, but in a sense, we were talking about this yesterday, and we were actually at an event at the governor's mansion with Governor Lee in Tennessee and with Greg Orton. But if the European Court of Human Rights were to kind of side with him on the children, Then ultimately, the wives are going to be able. The children then can ask for their mothers.

Yes. And then. Polygamy almost has been declared a human right in Europe for some immigrants, I guess. I mean, maybe not for all Europeans, but for some. And then that kind of gets away from the whole idea of this equality movement protecting women's rights.

But you said that there's this other way of looking at women's rights there, which is, well, women should have the choice if they want to get in these kind of relationships. And they're kind of like not looking at the reality that most of the women in that part of the world have no choice about getting into these relationships. They're ignoring that. And also, there is the issue, you know, whether or not, as Europeans, we have the right just to refuse polygamy. I mean, because this guy knows what he does.

The problem that w with the European Court of Human Rights, they just have to rule on the case of the children.

So they cannot just decide because they know that after a while the mother would come.

So it is a n difficulty of the case. Uh it's a trick, I would say. And the lawyers who are interested in the case know that. The other difficulty is that the European Human Rights don't truly don't truly have um strong arguments against polygamy. Because it's so, I would say, you know, as we say in Europe, liberal, you know, if you want it, let's do it.

So why should we refuse polygamy? I mean, if the woman wants it, Okay, let's do it so there is no real argument.

So the issue we have now, and this is why we intervene in this case, is first, of course, we have to do not be naive. We have to say to the Court of Strasbourg, the European Court, this man is from the Muslim Brotherhood. He is trying to enter the society. He is trying to impose his values, his way of feeling to a country that is hosting him.

So don't be naive anymore. And don't let's use our human rights system to weaken our society. And this is what we're facing today.

So this is why it's so important strategic to act in this case so that human rights are not used against our civilization. And Gregor, one of the things that we spoke with Jordan about after he was in Europe with the ECLJ earlier this year, as well as we see in our media here, that For a long time, you had one of the hardest jobs in the ACLJ, I think, because the conservative ideals that we think of here in the United States weren't as accepted or as loudly proclaimed around Europe at the time. But we're starting to see a change there. That there are younger groups, there are people that are returning to their faith, people that are more comfortable with not just these ideas of freedom and liberty, but much more an American-style conservatism is starting to play out there. How have you seen this change and even the way that the ECLJ operates and is able to get work done as these things start to change in Europe?

It's a huge change. I mean, we've been working with the American Center, with Jay, Sicolo, with Jordan, Family Logan, for many years. I started 25 years ago, so it's a long story for me. And I'm so pleased and so proud to see this work. And now we see a change in Europe.

We have governments coming to us, we have leaders like Marine Le Pen in France coming to us, other leaders from more center-right coming to us. We are invited all the time to the Europe Parliament, to the national parliaments to give advice and testimonies.

So we are a strength. We are an intellectual strength. We give ideas, we give vision, we give legal arguments, we draft uh legislation. We are legal strengths in our work with the European Court of Human Rights. We had a huge success, for example, not only on cases but also on the court itself.

We manage. to have a very good action On the composition of the court itself, because the court of Strasbourg was, I would say, infiltrated. By about 20% of the judges were coming from the Open Society Foundation of George Soros. We revealed that. And this was a huge affair in Europe.

And as a consequence, the court decided to change its rules.

So we managed, we made recommendations to the court to change its rules. And you could did. And as a consequence of our work, now you don't have any more a single Prusen, activist. coming from those NGOs. Appointed as a judge in Strasbourg.

I would just say this quickly too, Gregor, because I think it's just important for people to understand when we talk about the work of the European Center for Law and Justice and the work that the team does there. This, again, we have this unique moment 25 years in to really start affecting change now, not in the courts, but also now in the societies, in the political systems. You now have got the seat at the table. I think this story actually just briefly tells it all. The Consul General in Strasbourg, we haven't met with very much, but we did this summer.

And she invited you, small group, you said, to meet with Ambassador Kuster, who had just gotten installed as the U.S. Ambassador to France. You had one-on-one time with him to talk about how that office could be better used by the administration to work and kind of put forward U.S. foreign policy and U.S. policies at the European Parliament because they get a seat at the table.

Indeed.

So, yes, we had this meeting and we, I mean, we see how we can benefit among conservatives from the U.S., American, and European groups. There is really now an alliance, I mean, a collaboration, a deep collaboration with organizations like the American Center, the European Center, other organizations like CIPAC, who is going back and forth on the Atlantic. And we work together and we take examples also what's going on in the U.S., what is going on with Malay, in Argentina, other countries. And organizations like our organization has a huge, can have, and we do have a huge impact. On many levels, including communication, education of the people.

It's so important. Absolutely. Look, Gregor's team and the UCLJ. Incredibly important. We'll even talk about that more in the next segment as well.

And why, when you support the work of the ACLJ, why we think it's vitally important that we are around the world, and the ECLJ is a huge part of that.

So be a part of that team right now. And that is by becoming an ACLJ supporter today and have your donation doubled during our drive right now. Of course, as GrandparentWeek go to aclj.org, and we've seen it there, and we've seen it even throughout Europe. It's happening. And we're going to be a part of it.

That's at aclj.org. We'll be right back. Uh Welcome back to Sekulow. We do a few lines open at 1-800-684-3011. Me and Greg Gore from the ECLJ stay over with us for this segment as well because I think there's a lot more we can dive into in the work of the European Center.

And I always like to look at the comments, see what people think. Understand. I hope you understand now that you've heard from Greg Gore and our team there. We've had them on occasionally throughout the year why it's so important that the ACLJ is a worldwide endeavor. Of course, the ACLJ, the A is for American, but we've been able to move on and have the European Center.

And again, as you said, you're seeing massive change there. It may have taken a couple decades, but it's true, even amongst people. You may not hear that in the press, by the way. You may hear that Europe is just one way or that the UK, we know that as well. Trust me, the people I know from the UK, they're with us on 95% of the issues, if not more.

But you know what? They have governments right now that are maybe not shining just like they have for us, occasionally the light on them right now. But we know we've seen these Christian conservative ideals start to bubble up. And start to make a real difference. And Jordan was there this year.

I was there last year, just right about a year. We are seeing it happen in real time, and you want to be a part of it. You want, by the way, your families to be able to visit these areas. You want to be able to go to Europe, take your kids, experience it, and feel safe. And better alliances with our European allies, who are our top allies.

Absolutely. Especially in Western Europe and in Central Europe, and to make sure it certainly builds those alliances when you share common values. But I wanted to go into the speech issue because that's a huge. Issue when you see these movements happening, like in the UK, freedom of speech we often take for granted in the United States. We don't at the ACLJ.

We're constantly fighting for it every single day in court. But a lot of Americans do because it is just a fundamental right that, again, most people never experienced anything negative with, but it's still something we constantly have to debate. In Europe, it doesn't necessarily exist. No, I would say the the left part. Of Putin's spectrum is against it because they know that the conservatives are getting so strong in the arguments.

It's not only in the media, but on the ground, because what we say is so strong that they just want to silence us.

So in Europe, they want to control the internet, they want to control social networks, they use any kind of notions like hate speeches, whatever you say.

So for us, for example, it's quite difficult. We have to be very careful when we speak on T V, when we speak on the networks, because we know we may be attacked by some any kind of groups, even like radical Muslim groups, like the Brother Muslim Brotherhood, they look what we say. And they go after us, we have trails. Uh so it's uh it's a real important issue. Um we fight in Europe for example uh Japan Center to defend the right to criticise Islam.

Because we have the big issue, uh, you know, of anti-blasphemy laws. And they try to promote this idea of Islamophobia. They say, you know, if anything you say bad, about Mohammed. just someone who is going against the law. We say no.

You know, we should be respectful to everybody. We should respect everybody. Of course, but we should be able to discuss on religions. I'm ready to discuss on Christianity. Let's start the discussion.

Whatever you want. But I want Lyu also to be able to be Open to a discussion. And we have been working on cases, for example, on the famous wedding of Mohammed with Aisha, who was nine years old. As the Open Code of Human Rights. It was crazy because the Austrian government and judges decided to sentence a lady who just said that Mohammed married a girl who was nine.

And that maybe this one a kind of problem. You know, with uh Like here would happen in a world religion course in college. You would have those open discussions and things like that back and you'd say, well, culturally and also have that. This was a long time ago, age things, difference. But yeah, you wouldn't have to be worried about legal action being taken.

And I mean, we see in Germany and in the UK now, I mean, you can have the police show up at your door because of sharing someone else's message on a social media platform. Yeah, I know it's crazy. And this is something now, I mean, we, the Open Center and others, we must and we do act on that. It's highly important. We must defend, I mean, the true freedom.

I mean, you know, the motto of the European Center, you know, for law and justice, you know, is liberties. Uh dignity and sovereignty.

So we want to defend liberties and this is essential.

So true conservatives, you know, want liberty.

Well, and I think to that point as well is that where You have these restrictions from the way that you can talk about things and how you have to be very smart and very specific in the way that you go about these things because those that want to weaponize the legal system against you will try to do that. But people remember that France has had many issues with Islamic terror. And these situations, it's not as though it's removed from France. It's very much in what the history is. And so when you look at the way that people from the Muslim Brotherhood may be trying to infiltrate and use the law system against you, they also are knowing what the laws are that they can utilize against you as well.

Yeah, but the fact is that they also get money from the EU. Which is something else.

So, those Muslim Brotherhood groups infiltrate also EU institutions and they get a lot of money to do that action.

So, also part of our work as European Central Legislature is to track, to find where the money comes from, where do they get the money, and to make it public that the EU is funding those groups so that the EU stops. Funding those groups.

So we are fighting on every level, so also on the financial level. To expose The European Commission, what they do, and to stop the funding.

So it's really a huge fight that's going on in Europe, and thanks God.

Some governments now try to understand it, the danger, see the danger of this infiltration, but this is part of what we do. One aspect also is that Turkey. uh you know, is part of the Council of Europe.

So also as the UN Code of Human Rights, and Turkey is also supporting to some extent Muslim Brotherhood.

So we have a very strategic sit we are in a very strategic situation here in Strasbourg because we have Turkey, we have Northern Africa, we have Syria. They are our neighbors to those countries. And we are on the front upfront with those countries. And to oppose, to defend civilization, defend freedoms is highly difficult and highly important. Thank you for joining us, Dave.

I think it's really important that people understand the work of the ECLJ. I know it's something that's very passionate for Jordan and for I. And I know when we start discussing it on air, some of our audience goes, well, why are you not talking about the news of the day? We didn't have this conversation.

So, look, we had calls coming in. Unfortunately, we're not going to be able to get to you. Ray, call me back tomorrow early in the show, and I'll get you up early because you had a good comment. We just kind of got stuck on this because this is the important work. Jordan, I'll even let you speak to this that we've been working at for our whole lives.

And we feel just as at home in Europe as we do here because it means so much to us. And I think, you know, for the global, for the work that we do in the United States, we know to have the most impact, that work has to go around the world.

So that the the ideas of freedom of speech and the freedom of religion and the ideas being able to just discuss the ide The fact that there are now, you know, Greg Hoare is being, and the ECLJ is being asked to advise governments, this took 25 years of work. And it took 20 years of work in the United States for us to be at that point, too. But we've done that hard work, and our team has continued to kind of evolve over the time to be there for these battles. And we know now how interconnected the world is. You can try to ignore the globe, but your paycheck is impacted by it.

When you talk about terrorists, you're talking about your paycheck. When you talk about wars and national security and immigration, it's all impacted by it. We need to be there. We need to be there. And we're only there because of you.

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