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June 16, 2020 1:00 pm
Breaking news today on Jay Sekulow live present problem set to unveil a new executive order on police reform talk about today live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow live today in the Rose Garden President will take decisive action.
He will sign an executive order that will set into motion new standards on the use of force lines are open for your questions right now. 1-800-684-3110 President to take this action to assure the American people that were listening or supporting law enforcement to define the police.
Quite the contrary were to find new resources. The help departments obtain certifications that improve standards for the use of force improve training on de-escalation and that's exactly what the American people want us to do and now your host Jordan secular President is preparing his revival of the broadcast side. This executive executive owner today will seek to improve how police officers treat African-Americans and others by improving credentialing trading and mental health resources there a few bullet points. The White House is put out before the President speaks to the to the nation on this executive order. First, it will encourage police departments to employ the latest standards for use of force.
It will improve information sharing. I think this is important so that officers with shoddy records. Records of excessive use of force complaints are not hired without their backgrounds big notes that they don't slip through the system without big know that they have, you know 25 complaints about exec excessive use of force.
It's also expect it's expected to address mental health so it will direct the Sec. of Health and Human Services to encourage police departments to embed until health professionals in their response to calls related to mental health hopelessness and addiction as well as divide resource to help police departments higher mental health co-responders that also is a key dad because it is tried to assist police in dealing with those who again they may be called be called for a situation and that person is hopeless. That person is on drugs and or or as mentally ill, so that they have an expert with the help them address the situation. So it hopefully does not escalate webbing that is open you're learning here is that training is essential and it is not likely does not enough and I think with the President and the layout this afternoon is going to lead provide a framework for federal funds will be involved to police department so that their officers can be properly trained to de-escalate the situation so you don't happen have what happen of course. Over these last several weeks, but is been going on for years. Let's be realistic, which is now your singing in on tape so I'm hopeful. I'm optimistic. Again, this idea of defunding the police.
It was a nonstarter. That's I can work. There's a reason we have police departments and that is it. Again, as we said before if you had an emergency you want to call 911 and you want to have the assistance of the earth responders, including the police, but here the training obviously is essential and de-escalating potentially hot zone for hot situations I think is critical.
It certainly could bring the preventive things in Atlanta from getting out of control as they did with the officers down there I think will be better for the community setting is to be better for the police departments but training is essential to move this forward and stand this tracks will talk about it in more detail. Sen. Tim Scott, a Republican from South Carolina. He's also putting together legislation that would kind of track. This executive order. It's got some similar items, but even more specific legislative items we get to in the next segment we were taking calls as well. 164 30. What did this is a two-pronged effort than got executive order for the President about to be side and legislation be worked up by Tim Scott were he's working on getting bipartisan support.
And that's really important. Jordan actually there's some overlap between both of those in the buildings in the house so look I think if this can transcend politics and if leaders on all sides can come together to respond to these two needs, the need for law and order and also the need for equal justice, you're not gonna tell you I think something can come become law. In short order. That really will help your calls and comments on this. What you think about the President's move this executive order two footed reforms the police departments and tip Scott's acidic legislation give us a call 1-800-684-3110 questions or comments. 1-800-684-3110 challenges facing Americans are substantial time and are now in our freedoms, our constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades now ACLJ on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success.
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And then I think what's important. Let me take out Robert's call on line 1 Robert, I called for Marilyn.
Thanks for Collier on the air. Yeah hi Jordan I get one of the applicable couple of things about the legal form in the executive order by Pres. Trump on the de-escalation aspect to go into more detail about what are some of the components. The de-escalation aspect of the police perform executive order that he signing and also do you know the people that may be relied upon signing this executive order for Police Department terms of the information density 44 so that's that's a great question Robert in first the President consulted with a number of experts, including police chiefs, police officers, others in community so I think it was a broad input here. This was the center.
Scott is handled from the ascendant side but this is a very coordinated effort with the de-escalation techniques which I think I think the particle out one of the critical aspects of this that brings in mental health professionals to engage in this and that and I had a question. Actually Jordan, I wanted to ask Andina follows up with exactly what Robert is is asking and that is Andy. The training that police officers get right now we know the ghetto academies less than the nature of it. And obviously there needs to be refinement as this situation has clearly shown while all police all have to go to police training academies. In order to understand what the law is and what the permissible limit of the use of force are what this pledge is what this order doesn't want. Hopefully the Senate legislation will do would be to quadrupling triple if you will the funding that is being given to Police Department so that they can get more and more and more training in the appropriate and inappropriate use of force in situations and I think one of the important situations that comes up J is this thing about domestic relations and domestic calls within domestic violence and I really like that that aspect of the President's executive order that says co-responders would allow for police to do their job, but bring in social workers and experts that deal with mental health and to deal with issues such as drug addiction and alcohol and homelessness when they are responding to calls.
If you have the co-responders who have been trying along with the proper training of the police you are going to de-escalate situations that could be calm and turned violent very quickly to stand because stand part of this is is sitter.
Scott's kind of legislation he's working on for the Justice act and it add some tease to what the executive order would do specifically when it comes to penalties and funding that could be taken away if certain aspects of the law that he hopes to pass and get bipartisan support, which I think would really help this executive order about walk through some of those yeah I agree with that. Jordan first audit. Robert's questioning, the President had law enforcement at the White House literally yesterday to talk about some of these de-escalation tactics. He's also spoken with the victims families. I think this is a solution that both sides can get behind the Jordan specifically where the piece of legislation from Sen. Scott comes in and really add some teeth and some foundations of the executive order that the President will lead on today comes to putting money behind the actions. And I mean this is an idea that J talked about a couple of days ago. Not not defunding the police department actually increase funding on three specific areas that are inside this legislation. One other reporting uses of force to cause death or serious injury to funding for body cameras and three funding for the training on the de-escalation tactic that we just talked about with Andy and all three of those situations. Jordan there would be increased federal dollars in the form of grants, of course, those have to be authorized by the Congress. That's why the legislation is needed, but then Jordan to your point reporting requirements from law enforcement if they don't follow those guidelines don't follow those training criteria, they lose the grant money. So Jordan I really do think this is something that both law enforcement and those communities you feel like they've been targeted by law enforcement. I think they can get behind and I think this is a great way to respond from both the executive branch and the legislative branch and accomplish real change here. I bet this de-escalation tactics data part of this legislation. You gotta have legislation add teeth to executive orders to make the really attempt to penalize those so that they are followed is that they would tie grant funding to required training and what were just talking about on de-escalation tactics, which I think is so key right now and we know that the President not only consulted law enforcement officials, but right families of those who were killed by police in some of these actions which we have condemned notes exactly correct and I'm thinking about the situation in Atlanta because I was late for you and me and for Andy that it's very close to home because I would brother and in that situation, the de-escalation could have been. Once the now deceased victim of this. That's what I call me as a victim of this crime that that I think is police officers committed once he had moved that car over, they should just taken the keys that would de-escalate it drastically because in his ability to go anywhere was limited and then a social worker or someone like that a mental health professional. Andy could come in determine the competency the situation and determine maybe the best thing to do is for this person be admitted to a psychiatric unit may be its hospitalization.
Maybe it's just sober him up that kind of de-escalation could really help in these situations, I think that's why I like the idea of a close bond or someone a response to a situation whether it's a domestic situation or whether it's a situation such as this man sleeping in a car in the drive in window at Wendy, who was apparently inebriated but bring in somebody with alcohol, mental health, training, addiction, training, homelessness, training, and bring it in with the police so that the police actions are hampered, hampered, and thereby de-escalated by somebody who goes this person is drunk.
There likely to react in this management be aware of that police officer known automatically, reflexively, go to your service revolver in the situation put him in some posterior in which you can be hell rather than to shoot at him. I think these kinds of situations are necessary because the important thing is to keep the peace, de-escalate the heightened tension of the situation and bring it down to manageable proportions, you can assume less killing and less violence when those kinds of measures are implemented requested off her face because you talk to us on the years we wait, the President's arrival will carry that lives this happens while on the broadcast should I from the rose garden is the officials are gathered there now for the announcement of this executive order gives a call 1-800-684-3110 you believe additional reforms.
Do you like what you're hearing in the reforms that were talking about right now. 1-800-684-3110 G have issues with them when he hundred 684-3110 or questions on Facebook and periscope Josephine on Facebook wrote it. I mean, I think this is a big question. It's a tough one to answer and one show ended through what executive order or one piece of legislation she wrote is there really a solution to this that or that's how you know that is that that's a deep question on a lot of different levels. I think there is a solution to it.
I think this is a I think the country has been awakened to the situation that's going on that you see more videos of come out in the death of Mr. Floyd and it's just the more you see the one that was bad and horrible to begin with. That's the more you learn, the worse it is and I think look, I think we have a moment here this that you have moments in history where the country's consciences awakened and I think this is one of those moments.
I don't think there's a quick fix to this. I don't think that you can do one just do one thing, but I think I'll defer to fan on this, but I think the Executive Order fan, coupled here with the legislation really is a powerful tool to redirect some energies and training. I definitely agree that JI mean I thought a lot about this and it's true that a lot of these answers don't come from government to man. They come from a change in the heart of man Vijay are leaders can play a big role in starting that conversation.
I think that begins today with the remarks of the Presidents about to make look. There is a simultaneous need for law and order, as he is said repeatedly and also need to ensure that all Americans are treated equally under the law on their vascular portions of the community that don't feel like they have been IJ leaders lead in the President taking the lead on this I think enables that conversation to start because look for the change might happen to have have to happen in the hearts of man government can lead the way in setting that conversation and setting a course by which Americans can come together at to that in right socially come back got a full paper calls right now to keep your calls coming in one 800 684 31 to the present. Just speaking now so we will play that for you. We come back from this break will be back in just a couple minutes on Jay Sekulow live.
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The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you for your thoughts. Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.org where you can learn more about our life changing become a member today ACLJ Jay Sekulow like the present speaking live now from the rose garden were going right to it and thank you all for being here is we take historic action to deliver the future of safety and security for Americans of every race, religion, color and creed were joined today by law enforcement professionals and community leaders.
Though we may all come from different places and different backgrounds were united by a desire to ensure peace and dignity and equality for all Americans. I just concluded a meeting with incredible families just incredible families that have been through so much the families of, Aubrey Botham, John Antoine Rose Jamel Robberson Tatiana Jefferson Michael Dean Darius Tarver Cameron Lam and Everett Palmer. These are incredible people credible people in it so said many of these families lost their loved ones and deadly interactions with police to all of the hurting families, I want you to know that all Americans born by your side, your loved ones will not have died in vain.
Where one nation we grieve together and we heal together. I could never imagine your pain are the depth of your anguish. But I can promise to fight for justice for all of our people and I gave a commitment to all of those families today with scented. Tim Scott Atty. Gen. Bill Barr. We are going to pursue what we said we will be pursuing it and we will be pursuing it strongly.
Tim, I want to recognize Atty. Gen. Bill Barr was so much time on on this and other matters like this bill thank you very much for being here along with project along with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Tim Scott and they go to be working on a Senate bill. Also, they can go hand-in-hand with this and also representatives Kelly Armstrong Louis Gummer Jim Jordan Guy Reston Scheller and Pete Stauffer and thanks also to Florida Atty. Gen. Ashley Moody, the President of the fraternal order of police patios, President of the international Association of Chiefs of police Stephen Cat Stevens and many other law enforcement leaders who can be joining me at the signing today is about pursuing common sense and fighting, fighting for a cause like we seldom get the chance to fight for. We have to find common ground, but I strongly oppose the radical and dangerous efforts to defend, dismantle and dissolve our police departments, especially now when we've achieved the lowest recorded crime rates in recent history. Americans know the truth, without police.
There is chaos without law there is anarchy and without safety there is catastrophe. We need leaders at every level of government of the moral clarity to state these obvious facts. Americans believe we must support the brave men and women in blue who police our streets and keep us safe. Americans also believe we must improve accountability, increase transparency and invest more resources in police training, recruiting, and community engagement, reducing crime and raising standards are not opposite goals. They are not mutually exclusive. They were that is present trump he is delivering the remarks now on the executive order from the rose garden were to continue to monitor that.
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One 800 684 31 two that's 1-800-684-3110 and dad unite as we kind of we heard from the President just now. I this is a serious move this executive order and you can tell the tone of the President. This is again he spoke to a lot of people. You could tell he spoke to a lot of people been through a lot of difficult situations. That said, all the families get all these families and that's one of the toughest jobs being present whether it's if military families are families will face this police brutality lost a loved one, and I think you could tell that the presence tone today. The look he listed just about every significant that that there are any that are insignificant when you have these kind of situation but everything that every case it's been in the news he he discuss these godly meeting with those families and it's trying to put something together that is going to be beneficial to the local communities through better training our director of policy Harry Hutchinson. Prof. Hudson is joining us as well and I wanted to ask him. Prof. Hutchinson and that is this question from a policy perspective what's being implemented through the Executive Order and what were saying Sen. Scott upward for the United States Senate. How does that fit with an overall policy plan in this kind of situation here is to be joining us.
The next thing because we had to present on some okay that's on it. Let me let me take a phone call real quick add to recent Pennsylvania online once recent things for hold on your on the air. I am calling from PA. I am in recovery I have in your recovery and I've been correctly before and even when I II got erected on more than one occasion I eat only yeah I've I've abate in any night and they've always been a balmy night all and I do what they need to do. I yell up on your backup roll down the window. Your identification I've never had a problem with what your situation is okay so you never had a problem and I'm glad your recovery. By the way in your beer sounds like you're on your path of recovery for 15 years and that's a really great thing but I'm going to Andy on this because Andy has worked with local police and with federal agents and with state agents in the fact of the matter is, as we seen over the last couple of weeks. Let's be clear. While this is not a majority of police officers by any stretch of the imagination. There's enough abuse out there there's not a problem out there and it still happening after the murder of Mr. Floyd killing Mr. play that you saw the situation develop in Atlanta. So Andy it's climates people. It had what I would call honorable experiences in dealing with law enforcement and that's the vast majority but we gotta be realistic here. There is a problem and that problem is the inability sometimes to use common sense in the middle of a difficult situation where you can de-escalate and I think that's why you're having specific action taken by the federal government to engage local government that the whole thing to the use of common sense.
In dealing with the tumultuous and potentially dangerous situation in the police have to learn to use common sense and if they have co-responders with them who have training in areas such as addiction and alcohol then they add to the use of common sense, which is really all we really need in these situations is to use some just decent common sense and handling situations that escalate and that then cause and thereby de-escalate that the court's urgency to the legislation. This moving forward is incentives utilize commonsense incentives to keep body cameras on and penalties if the body cameras are there. So again, talk about it. Second, if our coming up Jay Sekulow live for decades. ACLJ is been on the frontline protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena.
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We played some of that for you. I will place a morph from you form from that as well on the analysis of this executive order. It is again an executive order if you're just joining us in the second half are the broadcast to improve how police officers treat African-Americans and others by improving credentialing training and mental health resources.
It encourages police departments to employ the latest standards for use of force improves information sharing set officers with shoddy records and excessive use of force complaints that they're not hired without their backgrounds being known subjects you know about the officer that's being hired as expected also to directs the Sec. of HHS to encourage police departments to embed mental health professionals. This is big in their response to calls related to mental health homeless next and addiction and that as well as their going to help the Police Department's find and hire mental health co-responders.
I did sitters Scott is working on, the parallel legislation to give this executive order teeth what it does is a few things in the skull. The justice act boost is the reporting of the use of force that causes death or serious injury to the FBI includes the George Ford, Walter Scott, notification act, which would tie grant eligibility for reporting of uses of force to cause death or serious injury to the FBI data collection. What here and I think this is what's most important here is where the teeth really come in. There is increased funding for body care so the police will get an increase funding for body cameras but they will receive a reduction of grants for states Police Department's that fail to pit penalize the failure to wear issued body cameras in their tie grant funding required training on de-escalation tactics.
So you've got to do that training to get grant funding and to of course maintain a system for sharing these records of law enforcement officer. So again you know who your hiring dad exactly right side.
I think this is a very good start, but I wanted to bring in our director of policy Prof. Harry Hutchison because obviously with what Sen. Scott is doing and what the present is laying on this executive order.
These are policy determinations being made. So Prof. Hutchinson, your sense of this from a policy perspective.
While I like bond what the President and what Sen. tend Scott are suggesting and recommending and President Clinton signed an executive order which will do some of it is that we need instead of defunding the police we need to increase funding we need to report on police who used excessive force. We need to bond body can and improve training and de-escalation techniques and the best evidence of bad, I think, is to look at Camden, New Jersey, which instead of defunding the police in the early part of the last decade or so they increase the size of their police force by hundred percent. They increase the number of social workers who went out with the police and they increase the number of police officers who would walk the beat in neighborhoods so police officers actually get to know the seventh that as a result, at least in part of these efforts, the crime rate in Camden, New Jersey decline and the number of reported cases of police misconduct, possible theft, so that at least one possible model folks we come back and start taking more of your phone calls, one 864 3110 with phone calls support with presence during others question. Some who posts sauté golf 1-800-684-3110.
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I've never heard this in all the years that I've been around and now they're doing this.
This means that this President and this administration are serious about stopping the situation that we have experienced in the United States in the last month or so and I applaud them for that very much.
Let me ask Harry this appetizer Hutchinson again this is a big policy statement coming in from the federal government saying no to a particular technique or device used, to subdue a someone a good assumed of a car accused of a crime or a potential lawbreaker to say that particular process.
That particular technique cannot be used very very important move for a number of reasons including past Creek has shown that the chokehold have a disproportionate tendency to bleed to death or serious injury.
So what the President is saying is that police officers will no longer be allowed to use this particular technique on the last deadly force is allowable to another words that perhaps the only way to subdue an individual without shooting that particular individual. So I think it's very very important. It's an important step. I think there are a number of other steps that the President is also supporting that will be helpful in moving this issue forward and reducing the number of excessive police force incident and complaints and that will also I think improve the level of trust in many communities.
I think that strikes let's go ahead and take some calls Jordan because I was obviously safe and alive.
Same that we had somebody coming in the year we do, let's go to Stephen Kentucky online. Three. Stephen welcome the Jay Sekulow Lodge on the air at a question would be professionals be allowed to ride with the question. It is a good one of whether if there was a need to call in a healthcare professional, a social worker to analyze a situation would actually be in the patrol car, or will they be called up.
I don't know the answer to that I think will depend in large part upon local community policing, but that having those resources available to help de-escalate the situation. I think could be a critical list to be the biggest move on police reform that we've seen, and I think also prioritizing the arrest so that were in situations that don't escalate and and get out of hand as these would seen over the last month have clearly done that and I know we got some opposition calls on that night, I respect that. I want to take those calls but I think look. I think having the social workers available to very important.
It does say in the text of the it will encourage police departments to embed mental health professionals in their response to the call.
So if they got the time they would be going at the same time with and I don't have to be the same vehicle but they think they can or maybe call them right now.
I thought it a saner time so that even the word embed is used in the executive order that we do have some poses calls come in as well. Dennis in Alabama online to this welcome to Jay Sekulow live I download my question to you count the Minneapolis finance was horrific and not only will discuss that right now.
Still makes a map but what else could they have done in Atlanta. They were polite they were courteous.
They investigated situation determined they had more than sufficient probable cause to make an arrest.
And at that point that became violent Friday did not do anything that they should not of done he attacked them in the courts resisting stolen Taser and then threaten with the Taser in that situation. George the Dennis is not considered lethal left. Okay, let's be clear, the police argue in court that the use of their soon that the use of the Taser is not a lethal weapon. So if the person that is the accused here in situation and Alanna first.
I think there's a couple things when it when he moved over the car into the that pointed to the parking space got out of the Wendy's line. I think they should take the keys that will that reduces the capability of of of anything to be done with the motor vehicle which could've been dangerous then the question is if in fact he was intoxicated and they were trying to commit an arrest and the individual was objecting to the rest and rent. Grab the Taser and ran two things that that took place in my view, as I looked at this evidence that number one the Taser is not a lethal weapon.
So returning with a lethal weapon in response was a disproportionate response to the situation that's number one number two based on the video evidence that has been shown on multiple broadcast the individual officer moved the Taser to state that took out his Taser to moved it to his left hand. At that point went to his holster for his weapon.
The gun and that was before the individual turned back around with the Taser, but again it was in my mind I have a lot of respect for the police and I want this to be better and Dennis I appreciate you calling it but be aware of the circumstances were dealing with as a country to what happened to Mr. Floyd has unleashed in this country a situation where we need to be unaware and a little princess in that particular case with the individual drop in the car, but not really causing any problems.
That's probably the time for under the new policies. A social worker Harry to come in with the police officer to determine what is the best course of action, including treatment or whatever it might be. I think Europe will be correct. So I think one of the thing to keep in mind the whole notion of proportionality so the police response generated by the end or Deputy seen the threat posed to the community that particular page that particular into individual not pose a viable threat to the community. So I think some form of de-escalation lies in being justified. I am not sure that shooting an individual while he's running away can be justified in the court of law. I should hasten to add I don't practice in the state of Georgia. I don't know what all of the laws are blocked from my perspective the conduct of the police was not proportional to the threat posed yet will I I'm licensing in Georgia as well as Washington and Andy is a course license day in and Georgia Georgia Andy in a situation in Georgia. A Taser is not considered legally.
A lethal weapon, not a lethal weapon. I was not there that night. I don't know what the police officer added mine. I don't know what the subject had in mind but returning deadly force against nonviolent boys would not be permissible right folks, we come back we will continue to ignore your phone causes one line open right now so if you want to be on the air. Call now 1-800-684-3110 that's 1-800-684-3110 some more sound to the placement present. He's finished up his address in the Rose Garden on what he believes is also critical to this effort. Not just police reform, but reform in communities as well. The play that we come back on Jay Sekulow live as we take more of your questions calls and comments. As always, I encourage you at your watch your face periscope click that share but now it can donate the mixer fly just to support all the work that we do in this broadcast that we divide every single day NACLJ.org donate today only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally support the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the and what Obama care means to the prone life in many ways your membership is empowering the right to life question free copy mission life today online ACLJ/challenges facing Americans for substantial time and are now free to sort constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades ACLJ has been on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress to get in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success.
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We been going through those enumerated take more of your phone calls, questions and comments. Let's start with Kevin in Texas online.
Six. Kevin welcome to Jay Sekulow live your on the air my call. I comment on two different issues. The Georgia thing without leave. All for the comment, but would always talk about reforming the police. It's going to take forever because one of the things that they've neglected or so I say that because the problem themselves.
That if you hire people who are criminals plugs people with anger management problems to begin with those attitudes are going to come out in the police look like my uncle became a police officer.
If you have too many parking tickets.
You couldn't get on the job without an appeal to the higher chain of command what you're saying basically is this is that the qualifications for office need to include psychological evaluations which court makes absolute sense now West Smith is with us who would courses ACLJ analyst for us on international matters in an armed conflict, but also has has family that are police officers and as work would police and the military as well. West you got a piece up NACLJ.org let's talk about that for a moment. Now I know a lot about working around the country right now at every level is more reacting to what is happening as opposed to responding and are all capable Guilty of doing that, but you're reacting to anything that confront us individually or collectively about their nature is not logical and we see that from the strict instructions we see it some police officer behavior except in extreme cases where our individual life and safety are threatened and very real-time for the fight or flight scenarios reacting to something is frequently not helpful and leads to regret responding. On the other hand, by definition implies that it desires to take a stand, but to address what is happening to take to fix it and resolve the issue. Antonio, our nation very divided right now and so mind that people may feel that our today is a plea for us to quit reacting and start fixing things start responding because there is more that unites American people so much more than that which divides asking that we are really really focused on divisions in the last UNIX. Let's go back to Psalms 100 684 31 to please send this is interesting because the present is the executive order that the signing ceremony course focus on lease before but he also talked about community reform, an issue that is near and dear to us. I know many of you listening to this broadcast. That is getting a kids out of bad schools utilizing voucher programs which teachers unions and other liberal activist groups have strongly opposed to take a listen. The present is not taking this lying down. He sees that you got to do more than just one piece reform.
It's good take multiple aspects reform.
Take a listen to Pres. Trump were fighting for school choice which really is the civil rights of all time in this country. Frankly, school choices, the civil rights statement of the year of the decade, and probably beyond because all children have to have access to quality education, a child ZIP Code in America should never determine their future.
That's what was happening so were very, very strong on school choice siding data.
Again, this is an issue we care about deeply and we would actually ask Arty begun a team looking into this as part of this overall effort. Why more to say on it and later broadcast because I reckon I think I II want to address that go-ahead that you there. Looks like our have an issue with it right now they to reconnect, but it is something we are going to be addressing in the future because we believe your work we been looking for sick the ACLJ, what can we do as a legal organization with our policy expertise notch and of course with the radio broadcasts and we can commentate and post a blog is a West great statement as well. But what else can we do so in the coming days a year to hear more about that kind of remember that this is a full scope problem that we got a deal with and that you can't do it piece by piece and that that's the key is that I will be announcing more in the in the future, but something we have expertise said it is the present indicated it's part of solving the bigger problem.
You cannot just say fix the police and that's goodness fix the communities and what it's so this is a holistic approach to community development and school choice has always been something we thought is been a really good idea and I know Logan is particularly been interested in this with some of our team. I think during the meeting on it today, but that's how you impact communitywide protection here and it is you deal with local law-enforcement it's community-based law enforcement and that is where the improvement needs to be on holistic approach to the community. Police need to be integrated into the community and not clean the enemies of the community or the outsider coming in to tell people what to do but to help women to assist him and to mollify situations, make them less enhanced in terms of violence and things like that to make peace and to become part of the citizenry and not to be a part we don't want Lou to be a part from gray. We wanted to be together and that is what training is all about and that's why I think the President's executive order which focuses on training and focuses on integration of the police force into the local communities is so monumental. I agree quickly to Wes on this tort and then let's close up West unit you work with communities and as a pastor in the military. There, I'm thinking a holistic approach here is really the way that this has to go to Ljubljana. I wish that there were a silver bullet that would solve these issues. These issues are multifaceted and holistic approach if you will, a multifaceted approach is what we need. It involved education you mentioned. It involved the economy.
It involved attitudes are changing how we how we look at one another. It is a multifaceted issue. It is solvable, but it will not be solved with one piece of legislation or one magic bullet. It will take multiple effort it will take bipartisanship to come together as the American people, which in the past. That's one of the things we do best and will take a holistic approach to deal with this issue and the issue has many facets to it.
I was sick and Scott from Washington State. I quickly line 1 and will try to get Jack as well and quickly. I tell about trying to hold on PP people responsible for marketing help client difficult front of our coworker and luckily did you write what you write and we have to face their own internal potential creditor.
If there was one or that may not be right before you elect to talk to your part of this approach that HHS is pushing and I think that they're safe with the mental health professionals embed them with the police departments and that the HHS can help them find the mental health professionals to hire final call the day very quickly. Jack really got 50 seconds left.
I want to get your call. Thanks for hold on I will quit.I am a former law or small Thrive IQ in a logical and I will Meritage and I'll tell you this that was never okay to anybody about the Mac unless there is a lot that you so, but you also have to understand where where did it change. When did this change. And just like the lady said there was training that we did and now the mental health of out of it and my and the young man but don't stay executive we need. Thank you for your service trading needs to be redone.
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