UNHINGED Candidate Rocks Democratic Party

On today's show, State Attorney General Candidates' unhinged and disturbing text rock the Democratic Party. and so much more. Keeping you informed and engaged.

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Welcome to Sekulow Packed Show. Today, Jordan Sekulow in studio, Will Haynes in studio. We got Rick Rinnell coming up a little bit later. It's going to be a fun show, a packed show, and today we are talking about a Democrat candidate. Attorney General.

of the state of Virginia. Commonwealth of Virginia. Having to uh Cancel some fundraisers today, having some issues as some text messages were released.

Now, look, we're not big fans of the whole cancel culture thing and all of that, and what your private texts may say or not say.

However, when these are your private texts, I think the uh... Voting public probably should know. They should probably know that they are threatening violence and or murder. Of their political rivals, Will. That's right.

So, what we have here is a situation that it's a couple years old. This was the text messages were sent in 2022. And this candidate, Jay Jones, then he was a former delegate of the House, the House of Delegates in Virginia, which is their House of Representatives and their bicameral system. He used to represent Norfolk, Virginia, and he texted a former colleague who was a Republican, Kerry Coiner, who is still in the House of Delegates, about how upset he was that there were Republicans, including the Speaker of the House at the time, Todd Gilbert, were praising this moderate Democrat who had passed away. They were speaking very kindly of him in the way he worked.

He was a longtime Democrat in Virginia politics. And he said vile things, wishing that they were dead so he could desecrate their graves. I'll put it that, because I'm not going to say what he said. I would go up one step further just to let people know how it's vile, though. Yeah, they would go a little bit more further.

Okay. He said he would like to see the speak he would like the speaker's wife. to watch their two children be shot and executed in the head. Right. This guy is being supported.

By Senator Tim Kaine. I think that support alone. Disqualifies Tim Kaine from public officials. I don't agree with that. No, it sounds a disgusting comment, but you know why they don't?

It's because early voting's already started.

Well, and here's the deal. It started off with I'm going to I wish they would die so I could uh mess up their graves. And then when the Republican who he was texting pushed back. And said, you shouldn't talk like that. He went further.

He said, if there were two bullets and three people, Hitler, Paul Pot, and the Speaker of the House, two of the bullets would go in the head of the Speaker. She pushed back on that. And he said, spoiler, any of the worst people you can think in the speaker, he still gets the two bullets. She pushed back on that. He called her.

And I pushed back on it, like, said, You're going too far. He said, You need to stop saying this. I don't like that you're texting this. This is disgusting. He called her to try to explain.

That conversation, we don't know the contents of, but has been reported: him just doubling down, trying to explain. They end up getting off the phone, and she said, On the phone, you stop talking to me about this. You were saying you wished harm to his children, whom you know. You have met his wife and children. And he said, They're evil people, they're breeding little fascists.

I wish that his wife had to hold his dying children So he would change policy. And then he said, the only way you get people to change their minds on policy Is when they experience real pain. And they're trying to push back on this saying, oh, this was a long time ago, a full 36 months ago, that this had happened. Don't. Pay attention to it.

Not that this guy was well into his adulthood at this point. Phone lines are open for you. What do you think about this? We're also going to talk about some other topics coming up. We're going to talk about this for a few.

It's just the. The rhetoric still rises, and of course, now, even though it's a couple years old, this information gets out there. And what are you going to do with it? And this was during a Biden administration, so maybe you should have been a little cooler for this guy. 1-800-684-3110.

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We're talking about. Candidate for Attorney General in the Commonwealth, of Schwartz, of Virginia.

Now, you may wonder why that's important, why we're talking about it. And we're talking mainly about the rhetoric that's coming out. And this was from leaked text messages. And again, a lot of people have said some crazy things to text messages. I don't know if.

This is funny. Because you may be going there, you can do that qualifier when it's tripling down on a side. Summer nations of people. I'm saying a lot of people are going, oh man, I'm texting my buddies. You know, you never know, you know, locker room talk, all those kinds of things you've heard for years and years and years.

That's not what this is. This is a guy who doubles and triples down as he's currently running for Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Pretty historic spot to be running. And he is threatening violence, very, very specific violence and desecration of the graves of his political rivals. This is disturbing.

But of course, what's happening right now is that no one seems to be able to disown this guy. He has canceled. A few of his fundraisers for tonight. But Tim Kaine, even who has endorsed him, said, you know what? I don't like this rhetoric.

I find it gross.

However, you still got my vote.

So that's what every major Democrat in the state is saying. That's what the gubernatorial candidate is saying. She said that. That's what the head of the Democrat Party there said. That's what the leader of their House said.

That's what the leader of their Senate said.

So the House of Delegates, the state Senate.

So this is kind of what I put forward. That this idea that We will learn a lot. If he stays in the race. About Violence and leftist voters, and honestly, Democrat voters. Because if they're okay.

with their leaders. Calling for us. Calling for you, calling for conservatives because they have a different viewpoint on the Second Amendment. to have their children assassinated. executed in front of uh their mother.

and then to desecrate their grave And they're writing it to a Republican. Just three years ago, and now they're running to be the top law enforcement official in the state. of in the Commonwealth of Virginia. This to me speaks broader to where the Democrat Party is. When it comes to Violence.

Emanating from the left. It's an endorsement. If you are a bit crazy. It's an endorsement to go ahead and carry out this job.

Well, and to that point as well, Jordan, there was an arrest made in D.C. It didn't make a ton of news, which is shocking, just over the weekend, where the Supreme Court justices, before the October term reopens, many of them go to what's known as Red Mass. It's at St. Matthew's Cathedral in D.C., and they go and have a Mass. They partake in Mass before the starting of the Supreme Court session.

There was a man from New Jersey. Who had camped out on the steps of the church in a tent, appearing to be homeless? I don't know if he was homeless indeed, but he traveled all the way to DC. And had his tent packed with more than 200 explosives, Molotov cocktails, the same explosive ingredients concoction that was used in the Oklahoma City bombing. And he was preparing to try and take out Supreme Court justices.

This individual. had writings that were anti-Supreme Court. Anti-ice. and against Jews. It was once again people whose ideology They've been hearing what's coming from the left.

And there are crazy people out there. That will do crazy things. And when you have someone running for the attorney general, the top law enforcement official in the state of Virginia, who's also made horrible statements about police in the past, and he's trying to be the top cop. He literally said: if you want fewer police shootings, More police need to die. That is who is running for the state, the Commonwealth Attorney General position.

And has he had no response to any of this, really? He did put a response out and said, you know, many of us regret, like all people, I sent text messages that I regret and I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in our politics. Let's be clear about what is happening in the Attorney General race right now. Jason Miares is dropping smears through Trump-controlled media organizations to assault my character and rescue his desperate campaign. This is a strategy that ensures Jason Miares will continue to be accountable to Donald Trump, not the people of Virginia.

This race is about whether Trump can control Virginia or Virginians control Virginia. Jason Miares, who we're talking about as the Republican candidate, is the current attorney general.

So he has already won statewide election. in the Commonwealth of Virginia too. People say things in text messages they wouldn't what out. They don't say these kinds of things. Right.

Okay? This kind of thing, if a high school kid said right now and was uncovered, their house would be raided. And they'd go to jail. Mm-hmm. Rightfully so.

And if their parents didn't report it... The parents should be going to jail. And I think we'd all agree because that's not just blowing off steam when you keep doubling down and doubling down and tripling down on exactly what you'd like to see because of their political views.

So the idea that, yes, no one would want all their text messages out. That's trying to compare, again, apples and oranges. He we're talking about text messages about killing. Unelected, innocent kids of the speaker. Don't know their political views, but let's watch them die in front of their mother.

I would support that as what the current Lead I mean, he's the number two Official He wants to be number two in the Commonwealth of Virginia. He wants to be the top law enforcement official. Yeah, he is the leader of the candidate for one of the two parties in a state that goes blue all the time. He is elected. We know a lot.

We've now learned that mainstream Democrat voters are okay with this kind of rhetoric, which then. All it takes is one person. To carry this out. And it may be something that we can look into. You may know the answer.

If he was to withdraw. 'Cause voting has already begun. You said early voting has begun. What does that look like for the Democrats? Are they put in between a rock and a hard place going, will we have to run somebody or can they not run somebody?

Because the decision, maybe we can just look into that coming up. I'm just curious. Because you may go, well, what are they going to do? You also have options for people to drop out because people get sick. People in office, they pass away in office, or they resign because of issues.

So, there are safeguards in place here, even with early voting.

Now, it tells you a lot about how they feel about how their campaign is going. If they think that by him leaving, they'd somehow. uh lose because of the early voting. I thought he's crushing the current candidate. And let's say he is.

I don't think that justifies Endorsing him and covering him for these kinds of rhetoric when they attack Donald Trump for rhetoric that is not anywhere close to not even. In the same ballpark, because this is very much reality talk. This is a tough guy talk. This is like. What was comic or comedic?

It's not vulgar. And the individual. Usually, what people are talking about when they say the text is: you might bid it a text message you regret three years later, something vulgar, something personal. Again, That used to get people to have to drop out of politics.

Well, we are just seeing me. You brought up this: the Palisades fire right now. They've made an arrest, and they said that they found a lot of information through phone text and through chat GPT records because the person had made images and they were able to see the images that they were creating, which again tells you what you should be doing and not doing with AI. I think that's, you know, we got to make sure you're well aware of that. They were able to get those records and they seized over a million and a half records to find this person.

But that's because of why, because what they were doing. Online beforehand. I don't think it had to do with what they were doing in terms of were they caught in the act? They definitely weren't caught in the act. No.

I mean, maybe in security cameras and things like that, but I mean, this has been a long time now.

So the idea here again. That He even ran. Knowing that he had said this to Republicans. Yeah. He was already out.

He was out. And the police stuff was public? Yes. Like that's just public. And that was a while ago.

Like that controversy, he's already weathered.

Okay. And so it's not even like this is a non-controversial figure. Is it disgusting? Ridiculous comment. He could say, people could say, that's not how I meant that.

I meant that people don't realize the violence and things like that, so they have to experience their community. It wasn't the triple downing. It's very different when you're calling for specific children who you know. To be executed because they happen to be the Republican Speaker's children. And here's the other caveat to this as well, and it's kind of the hubris of these people that feel like they can say these things and mean it.

And when the person they're talking to is saying, please stop. Like literally, please stop. talking like this. This is not okay. Keeps going that The individual, the Republican delegate, said, I have sent screenshots of this to the speaker.

So he knows what you've said. Like, it wasn't even at the time, like, oh my goodness, it just, you know, I can't believe that I didn't even know anyone would ever see that. He knew that it had been shared with people and still thought. And, you know, in this climate, you know, I can still run. I'm untouchable, even if this comes out.

And maybe he's right. He might be. Yeah, I mean I think listen. End of the day, the Democrats are supporting it. I mean, I just want to make it clear.

That's what Main Street may be. When Tim Pain was asked directly, should he drop out, he said no. Yeah. Yeah. The idea to me, that kinda disqualified.

I thought, yeah, Tim Kane plays like he's some Moderate in the middle, nice guy. Um I think we all know, if you even remember who he is, this center, he did that on Santa Live, because people don't. Uh He Is okay with this kind of rhetorical? Would he be okay with a Republican? Uh senator That he serves with saying this about his own children?

Yeah, I mean, he technically won the popular vote to be the vice President of the United States. He would be okay with that. I mean, he'd be okay with saying these comments about. Not just him. The politician, the one with views.

But his wife? children or grandchildren. And he'd say, you know what, that person's a Republican. I understand it. Yeah, we want to hear from you.

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So it's a great time to call in. Stay on hold. Give our phone screener a minute as phone lines are lining up right now. Let's start off with a call from Stacey, who is calling on line one, who's listening on SiriusXM. Stacy, go ahead.

Hi, this is the first time I've ever called into the show. I've listened before, but. Today It he the the topic It just shows how far our our society has come because our politicians actually reflect our culture. And unfortunately, we have a culture here in America that is so based on hate and anything that is against what we believe, Oh, we have to attack. And Unfortunately, you see this on Facebook, you see this on Twitter, people saying and doing things that that they wouldn't normally say and do in person.

And I think Part of the problem is that we have a culture that is thinks that they are immune to things because it's done behind a screen. And until we as a culture change, Our thoughts. processes and change our thing of saying, hey, look, It's okay if you disagree with me. It doesn't make you evil. It just means that we have different perspectives.

We will not change what our politicians do. Yeah, Stacey, I think this, you're right. When this rhetoric comes out, you know that this is not just an isolated incident. And you also know that the next years that followed, this text thread did encourage violence that was happening against people. You are right.

That Being behind the screen, the keyboard warriors, if you will, as they've been called, we have lost that disconnect. We have lost a connection with our neighbors, with our friends, with human beings, because we all have had friends who are different political views, who are your good friends, your best friends. And when you're in person, That's a lot easier than when you're behind a screen and it's just you alone in a room getting fired up, and the other person getting fired up, and there's no real consequences to your actions. I think what we're honestly going to see is maybe. this turnaround happen.

I think this turnaround may happen as the increase In the internet becoming a little bit harder to differentiate truth and fiction? We've seen this week alone, and this gets a way heady topic: the launch of a new platform for AI-generated video that is becoming very difficult. To Without the watermarks to understand what you're looking at is real or not, I think that could lead. To the turning off of a lot of these devices, to the turning off of these screens, to where maybe you actually start looking to your friends, looking to your neighbors again to have these conversations with, because you realize you're not talking to something that is real. That all out of this is what we're going to be occurring, is going to be created.

Even the comments from your friends, they have a button to click. Where an AI can You see that even on social already. It'll clean up your words. It will create the response for you. I've accidentally clicked them and realized that I've put the weirdest responses up on people's text messages.

I didn't even know I could report a text message. I found that out on accident the other day. There's a lot happening in this digital space that could eventually lead to that dead internet theory that will then maybe bring back society.

Well, and another angle to this as well is the fact that why they're so concerned about this individual dropping out of the race is because of the early voting, right? And this is a problem we've seen for years. But actually, today, there's a case before the Supreme Court that is about the meaning of Election Day. what's in the Constitution and how that's defined and whether candidates can challenge The way that the state runs elections, if it's kind of vague or outside of the bounds of what traditional election day is. That's Bost versus the Illinois State Board of Elections.

We have an Amicus brief up there with this case right now that's being heard by the Supreme Court today.

So, even in these periods of time that you're not really thinking about elections, Virginia is bizarre, obviously, all the time because they have off-cycle elections for their state offices.

So, it's not in a midterm, it's not in a major election year. Right, they do their own elections in odd-numbered years, and it's different.

So, you're not normally thinking about this. But you are now. And we are always thinking about things like this. That is why we are filing in that Supreme Court case that's being heard today. The ACLJ doesn't stop.

We don't stop thinking about the implications of small moves that states make, and then there's sometimes real big impact. Because when even Election Day, we all know what was the disaster of 2020, but when you start to see those things take hold and become precedent and take place over a longer course of time. you start to realize these little things make big impact. And so you have to fight them. You have to always be thinking about Election Day, even when most of the people in the country aren't.

And so Jordan, even that. We have to fight these things, and that's why you support the ACLJ because the last thing you want to be thinking about right now is an election, but things like that have real consequences, especially even in this chip today. They're being executed in front of their mother by a candidate that the entire Democrat Party in Virginia, including the gubernatorial candidate. And uh one of their U.S. senators is Backing.

And until the candidate themselves a fundraiser tomorrow night, Kim Kane, the senator, was happy to still attend. I would like to take this phone call because I think this opens up a whole different can of worms here, if you will. But Michael's calling South Carolina on Senior Sex Sem. Michael, go ahead. Yes, I don't want to sound insensitive or a lack of compassion, but I have a legal question.

Um And it comes from the concept of the Republicans doing a lot of talking but no action, and I'm not on either side. But if I had to pick, I would definitely be a Republican over a Democrat.

So here's my question. Yeah. And org if the government declares an organization, for example, a terrorist organization. Or again. Why are we arresting them?

versus just killing them. like they do with the boats coming from Venezuela. Just blow 'em up. Right. I mean, it's it's hard.

You want to take apart networks of terrorists. You want to capture them alive. They're very hard to capture alive. Terrorists, when you're talking about kind of the traditional terrorism, these networks are underground, they're massed up.

So the more of their people, And leaders you can get, the more you're able to round up off the streets. The question he did put to the bottom of the street. I hear what he's saying, which is. If you designate them as a terrorist organization, can you use violent actions? Of course, you could.

And if they fi and if they're shooting back. you know, if their home is if they're, you know, going to be arrested because they planned an attack, Of course, that's a tough situation.

Well, and also a little bit of a nuance there as well. When you designate a foreign terrorist organization, that's just, it honestly just gives the appropriate measures for sanctions or people that do business. For when you think about the war on terror, just designating ISIS and Hamas and people like that or the Quds force as terrorist organizations, that wasn't the authorization and use of military force. There still was the Global War on Terror authorization and use of military force. I mean, there's a lot of different situation with the police.

It doesn't really matter if they're designated that way or not. What I was talking about more is you know that this person is a leader, you believe this person is a leader, and so you go to their house, you know, knock, knock, or no, knock, smash in. I mean, you have to be prepared for violence. I don't but you don't want to use that. Even if you could.

It's not a good policy. Because you need you want to be able to take down the network. It's why cartel leaders Are usually taken alive if possible. Right. Like El Chapo, even though he's gotten out, you know, those two times.

It was better to have him Alive. and trying to get him to spill names. uh to reduce or improve his situation. I did want to clarify real quick. That's not what the phone screener said that the call was going to be.

So, like, when I'm like, this will be an interesting segue, not the segue I was expecting. You're just protecting yourself. Yes, I'm not like, yeah, it's an interesting one. But we have a good answer. With that, we got a second half hour coming up.

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Well, I mean, what we've been talking about is this issue with the candidate for Attorney General in Virginia, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the despicable, disqualifying statements that he made over text message about Republican colleagues of his in the House of Delegates a few years back. And the other thing that you're starting to see is you're seeing like the Virginia Beach Democrat Committee, so a very large place in Virginia, one of the largest cities in Virginia outside Northern Virginia. But they have come out with statements themselves of saying, You know, recent press may have spotlighted past mistakes. We say, let those without sin cast the first stone, and said that it points out the hypocrisy of Republicans for statements they have made. When you start giving this like back and forth, well, oh no, they've said worse, they've bad things too.

It one, it kind of pours water on how bad these were. And so they're trying to deflect. About what these statements were. I haven't seen really on either side of the aisle, Democrats or Republicans. Messaging like this for a leading candidate for a very powerful position in a very powerful state in the country.

Let's talk about that too. What is the power of the Attorney General? Maybe people don't even necessarily know that.

Well, each state is a little bit different, so but typically when you when you have elected attorney generals, they have some independence from the governor.

So their job is to both represent the state but also Carry out various functions like the top law enforcement, very similar to our U.S. Attorney General. They are overseeing The carrying out of the functions of the legal decision, whether that's on the civil side. A criminal side, but they kind of set the tone. What are we going to prioritize?

What is going to be the issues we're going to take on?

So, significant. And in some some cases, they also are the party That represents the state before like the US Supreme Court and federal courts as well.

So they have a unique independence. From the governor, so you can't just say, Well, this guy he's going to be number two, and the governor's really going to run things. No, no, that's not how it works. Different kind of position. Hey, phone lines are open for you.

We're going to take as many calls as we can actually in the next segment. You know, we usually do that at the end, but today we got Rick Cornell joining us in the last segment, so you need to call in right now. We got two lines open: 1-800. 684-3110. Stay on hold if you get on hold.

It's going to take a minute for our phone screener to get to everybody, but we will. 1-800-684-3110. Welcome back to Stekkill. We're going to take as many calls as we can. A lot of you have called in.

Phone lines are completely jammed right now.

So let's kick it off.

Some of you got calls kind of all over the map, but you know what? Let's just take them. Chuck's calling line two. Listen to it on the radio. You're on the air, Chuck.

Hey, uh, good afternoon, guys. I'm here in Michigan and uh I love listening to you guys uh throughout my midday. whenever I get to my noon part of my day. Just a quick question. I'm I'm concerned Yeah.

Our domestic terrorism that goes on. I know we look at nations. Uh far off, but it's seems like domestically we're having a lot of uh domestic terrorism And some of these things aren't Yeah. I don't know if the FBI said I A or a lot of local police agencies are doing enough To uh address those things. Unfortunately, the death of Charlie Kirk.

Then we had a couple of Democrats, and then we had some churches here in Michigan. Ooh, some of these groups the affiliations that some of these individuals may have. And we are readers. Just wiping it away and saying it's too far. to the left.

Or somebody from the right over where we're just kind of being vague and inconclusive. But how do you guys feel like I age? Like the tail. And it's like they can't give us any uptick on even what's going on. On with the KKK or other militias.

that things are happening in our Here's the truth. Here's the truth. The previous administration. Didn't prioritize this. They prioritize people who go to church with Latin Mass.

parents who showed up at school board meetings. They didn't prioritize cartels. They didn't prioritize illegal immigrants with criminal records. They didn't prioritize, again, the idea of actual crime. They started sanctuary cities.

They started giving out fentanyl and drugs. And so it was kind of the opposite.

Now, a new administration has come in, and they have opened up a task force on these hate groups.

So, and domestic terror groups. And the responses are bringing in the National Guard in these areas, a lot of these cities. Obviously, there's been a lot of things we now see between Antifa and the National Guard is happening as we speak, and ICE as we speak.

So, again, A couple of those incidents were related to Veterans with PTSD, which I think is a somewhat separate issue that the government can do a better job on. One of my good friends just became the general counsel for veterans affairs. And just got confirmed in that Big confirmation that they did like a hundred plus confirmations last night, which is a great move by Senator Thune, the majority leader, to kind of stick it to the Democrats during the shutdown. It's like, well, we can still confirm all of the nominees you've been holding up for nine months.

So, yeah, we're going to work with him on that. On the other issue, though. This is the first administration that has prioritized these domestic groups who are targeting people because of their political views, whether they are elected officials or high profile or just happen to be activists with different views. Yep, absolutely. Let's go ahead and take some more calls as we try to get through as many of these as we can.

Let's go to Beth, who's calling in Arizona, who is watching on Rumble. One of our favorite platforms, Beth, you're on the air.

Well Thank you. question my husband and I were discussing today. That the These rioters have to be arrested three times before they are charged with a crime. Why? Why is that?

I mean, why can they not I mean They commit the crime the first time they arrest them. If they would charge them Uh put them in jail because they are Of course. Criminals. I think we have an answer for that for you. What I would say, and I'll also pass it over to Jordan, is that one, that may be a specific case in a specific area, but I don't think that you can broadly say that you have to be arrested three times.

Three strikes. There are other crimes where there's three strikes and you get a much more serious situation. Senance. But that's not what we're talking about here, so we don't want to confuse that. Also, local police departments.

And usually those in Heavily populated areas do have to prioritize who is going to take the space up in their local prisons. in the period between arresting someone And then actually sending them off out of prison into jail. After their trial. Right. So they have to prioritize what space do we have.

I mean, that's a.

So again, that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be prioritizing people who are burning down cities and attacking federal officials. But there has to be some kind of discretion into who is going to fill up the prisons first. And I think we're seeing that now. That's why ICE is getting involved on its own with its own detention facilities because local police could not. Take on the amount of people.

That ICE is apprehending.

So, the federal government has set up its own centers. And that's a good example. The other caveat, I think, there, Jordan, is in many of these jurisdictions where there are people of this ideology wanting to have these riots, a lot of times there's a district attorney there that is very far left. That we know that the plan that the Open Society Foundation to get these types of district attorneys elected, spending money in races that no one ever really thinks about, actually pouring in cash to get people with the leftist ideology into the DA there. A lot of times, it's the DA who has prosecutorial discretion: are we going to use our resources on this individual to prosecute?

Actually, the people that would be are people who actually weren't just there in the crowd.

So, unlike how they treated January 6th and what happened with those folks, because again, that shows you where their priorities were. They would go after the people that actually committed the most violent acts first.

So, if you were in the protest, That turns violent, you're not necessarily going to be mass arresting. But if you're the one punching the police officer or throwing him all the top cocktail, well, that's the person who should be taking up the space in the jail that night and ultimately prosecuted. Because prosecuting people, again, just for being there is not so easy. It's much it's you want to have a direct Tie to usually more criminal activity. Whether that's, and I think what's important here is going after the Antifa organizing.

That alone is a criminal kind of Rico. uh situation a conspiracy organized And those organizers, even if they never take the streets, and never punch the police officer are just as guilty as the person who throws the punch. And so it's actually, I think, more important, like we were talking about, taking alive cartel leaders to dismantle the cartel. We have to find the leadership underground. And the sources, financial resources that they have, who's dropping off the bricks, who is putting this together, saying this day we're going to have these people show up.

It's not just random grassroots. Yeah, I want to take another call. Let's go to Russ because it's going to tie into our next segment. Russ, go ahead in Ohio.

Okay. I'm gonna try to stay calm. I wasn't real calm with the The man that talked to me, but I'm I am so frustrated. With some of the stuff going on, especially these riots, these communists are shooting us. We're not shooting back.

We'll just leave it out at that. But what I'm really frustrated about today Is I saw Lindsey Graham on Kannady last night and I saw him with A. G. Bondi yesterday, and he was so And that's how I feel. right now about this guy from Virginia That's getting away with all this stuff.

I don't understand why he hasn't been arrested. Is there a law against arresting him? I mean, again, we talked about freedom of speech, things out of context. Is he using his euphemism? Does he really mean what he says?

I think here they were very direct, kept doubling down, and there could have been some legal issues, especially if it was immediately. Take it to law enforcement. We do know also the speaker was notified about it at the time.

So they had some decisions to make as well about how to deal with this since the threat was posed to them.

So I think, again, it's. Words usually take words into actions, but If you're talking about like your place of employment, no, you'd be fired. If you're talking about a um a high school kid. They would be arrested. Suspended, at least.

They're not going to be charged with as serious of crimes, but. And their parents might be in trouble if their parents were the ones getting those messages or other people who didn't report it. This individual did report it. And so people, decisions were made. What I think is worse here.

is that the Democrats in the Commonwealth of Virginia and in the federal government.

So that senators and congressmen are standing with this candidate. I mean, Tim Kaine was ready to go to the phone raiser. The candidate himself. Had to shut the fundraiser down. And Tim Campbell still wanted to go.

Let's take Vince and Virginia. Virginia ask him to wrap up our calls today. Bob, unfortunately, not going to be able to get to you. Vince in Virginia, go ahead. Last call today.

Hey, thanks, guys. Thanks. Hey, guys, I'm calling you from Williamsburg, Virginia, birthplace of America. I'm a lifelong Williamsburg, Virginia guy. Um same age as Jay Jones.

Jay Jones actually went to William and Mary here in Williamsburg, ran into him a couple times. I'm gonna tell you guys Virginia is under attack. Um just point blank, Virginia is under attack. Um Abigail Spanberger refuses to disvalue him from the ticket, tell him to get off the ticket because our rights are under attack. They want to legalize marijuana, recreational marijuana in Virginia.

They want to take our guns. And next is the freedom. Um Abigail Spanberger is Is Dead set on attacking the Second Amendment right here in the birthplace of America. And Jay Jones is a huge part of that. Jay Jones has to stay on that ticket because if he's off that ticket, Jason Menares stays in and he won't prosecute the BS that they're going to try to push.

I feel like they're going to try to turn Virginia into a copy, cut, and paste of Colorado. Proved me wrong. Hmm. All right.

Well, thank you, Vince. I mean, we've got a lot of Virginia politics there. Just chatting in the last minute there. But I wanted to hear from someone locally. Clearly, you're dealing with it right now.

When we get back in the next segment, Rick Rinnell's going to be joining us. We're talking about that spying situation. You talk about Lindsey Graham being upset. You know why he's upset also. I saw a video of him saying, you know, why were they looking at my phone records?

We'll get to that and so much more coming up with Rick Rinnell here in the next segment. While you can, support the work of the ACLJ at ACLJ.org. Got a couple minutes till we're back. perfect time to go on, make your donation, and come right back. with Rick Cordell.

Welcome back to Sekulow. Rick Rinnell's joining us right now. Rick, this wasn't the main topic we're talking about, but we have had some breaking news while we've been on the air. Of course, it has to do with California and the Pacific Palace states. It seems like they have caught.

Somebody who was responsible potentially, a potential arson in this situation. I just wanted to get your feedback on this as this has been ongoing for months and months and months. It's been pretty quiet. We haven't heard much about this. Then, all of a sudden, boom, they found this person.

I wanted to get your thoughts. I have been briefed on the situation and I'm extremely pleased. I think our U.S. Attorney Bill Asale in Southern California has done a phenomenal job working with DOJ and the FBI. This is something that when Bill came in as the U.S.

Attorney, he was focused on. This has been a devastating fire. We need to have accountability for how this started. We know that it just wasn't random. And I think when you follow the trail as they did and they figure out exactly who was up there, they have videotape evidence, they have other information, I think this is a great day for holding people accountable who produced one of the most horrific acts in Los Angeles.

And we all feel a little bit safer knowing that the person who did this has been caught and will be charged. Rick, back to the topic that we were going to actually lead with before this. Breaking news, which is, as I agree, the people of Los Angeles can get some justice and maybe feel like the government is doing their job as well of going after the perpetrators of such things. But yesterday we found out some things that the government was doing that was not something that should have been their job, and that was when Special Counsel Jack Smith was getting the phone data and records of eight U.S. Senators and one member of the House of Representatives effectively spying on elected members of Congress.

As a part of his investigation into President Trump. We were shocked, but not shocked at the same time because we've seen the abuse from that special counsel's office, from the Department of Justice that we saw under the Biden administration. I want to get your thoughts on this: about how far does this go? We keep getting new revelations of how bad they were running this operation for political purposes. And I'm just curious, are we going to see more and is it going to get worse?

Well, I would equate this a little bit to the fire. We know that we've had this catastrophic situation where DOJ and the FBI have really wreaked havoc on Americans, whether it's tech companies working with the government to go after and debank and try to deplatform individuals. Or groups that have created lists of people who are critics of DOJ and critics of the FBI that were targeted. The situation that Unfolded in the last administration with government agencies really attacking individuals is so horrific that. Holding these individuals to account, being transparent.

unearthing all of the evidence to show exactly what the government did to us is extremely helpful. The people want to know that their government is transparent, and when it makes mistakes, that there is a process to come forward and say, This is what happened, this is what we did, this is how individuals were abused.

So I think the transparency thing is crucial. But there's also an accountability. Mechanism here. We need to hold the people accountable who did this so that it doesn't happen again. I think this goes into Comey and it goes into uncovering.

I'm glad Congress and the FBI and DOJ now are working together to uncover exactly the strategy of the last administration and the last DOJ and the last FBI. Because we have to make sure that our government is working with us, not against us, not targeting individuals. And when you're working with the private sector phone companies to tap people's phones, this is illegal, immoral, and outrageous. And what we have to be able to do is hold these individuals to account. I hope that we figure out what private companies worked with the government to turn over this information instead of.

Fight against turning over this information. This is a situation that we need to make sure doesn't ever happen again.

Well, Rick, I think that that brings up a very interesting point. You know, we spent so many years talking about sort of the corruption behind the scenes, what was going on, whether that was in the FBI or the CIA or all these kind of issues under the last administration that it almost becomes a little harder to retrain ourselves and our audience to now think about this being a brand new group of people that's in charge right now. As someone who's been there during those transition years, what is that like for people to understand that we are kind of, there is kind of a new group of people in town and they could put a little bit more trust in what's happening?

Well, it takes political leadership to work with the career people to uncover and expose all of the hidden strategies. And that's what we're seeing now: is that this happened at DOJ, this happened at FBI, and we now need to make sure that the current leadership is accountable to the people.

So you have to work within your agencies to figure out what happened and then just come clean and don't try to spin it, don't try to hide it, just come clean. And what I did as DNI is Make sure that all of the redacted information that was damaging to the agencies, to the intel agencies, was just. put into the public. Ah. We knew That the information that we were uncovering was not a source or a method that was going to damage the intelligence agencies.

We knew that it was just bad PR for a strategy of targeting political opponents. And so we unearthed it. We were very transparent. Transparency is not a political thing, it's an actual accountability strategy. And so I hope that our political leaders dig deep into their agencies to uncover.

all of the things that have been happening targeting Americans. Rick, real quick question here at the end because we only got a couple minutes left, but couldn't let you go without getting your thoughts on that disastrous interview that the candidate running for governor in California decided that, you know, it's not worth my time to answer a question to a reporter when they ask, how will you reach out to Trump voters? Look, I hope everybody watches this. Katie Porter just reminded all of us that she is Southern California, Kamala. She is someone who has not been vetted, is ill-equipped to lead the state of California.

You just watch the clip, look at her. It was a really ugly situation where she is unable to actually just be transparent, offer explanations, and she told us. That she doesn't want to work with any Republicans, that she doesn't need us to win. And so she is absolutely going to have this continued strategy of partisanship. And I think she demonstrated that she was extremely weak.

and petty and that that interview i think is the end of her campaign Rick, thanks so much for joining us today. It was a packed show. We appreciate all of you who watched today. It's been, yeah, we rocked through it.

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