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I'll be honest. I saw some of the comments going through and going, Logan, I think you're wrong. That's how I interpret the people when they give atomy sounds. Yes. I don't know that.
They could be grandma's. I don't know. I mean, that could be a grandma's voice. Who's to say, really? I think you're wrong.
That's the more I think of it, how it could be. Right. But. President Trump, they asked him, Well, what do you think about all of the information that Tulsi Gabbard has released? The new strike force, but then specifically asked, Do you think President Obama will receive Presidential immunity?
Which we said, of course, we think he will. Why? Because that's what the case that we argued about in the Trump administration won. That was the decision, and it affects not just President Trump. And again, it's why you always got to think ahead.
I'm not saying, by the way, it's wrong. I think it was the right decision. You always got to think ahead because it's not just going to affect you. It's not going to just affect your side of the political aisle. It's going to affect both.
So let's hear from President Trump. This is on tarmac. The audio has been enhanced, so you know, so you can hear it a little clearer than usual because you may be like, hey, Will, where's all the jets noise? Thankfully, with new technology, we're able to get rid of a lot of that. But if there's a little quirk in the sound, no, that's why.
But I want you to hear from President Trump himself. How do you think that the Supreme Court's Ruling that benefited you on Presidential immunity would apply to former President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing. It probably helps him a lot. Probably helped them a lot. The immunity ruling.
But it doesn't help the people around him at all. But it probably helped them a lot. He's done criminal acts. No quite about it. But he has immunity, and it probably helped him on.
He owns these things. Obama owes me big. And that's what I think. When you actually hear it coming from President Trump, he knows what's going to happen. A lot of you have asked: well, anything happened to President Obama?
And we have said pretty clearly that it would be pretty hard to get to President Obama.
Now, it doesn't mean everyone around him has that same immunity. Of course, it means they don't. We're going to keep this combo rolling. Give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. What do you think about this?
President Trump comes out and says: look, I think we know facts now. We've dropped some pretty big bombshells on you, whether that's uh calling this treasonous behavior, but hey. If I have Presidential immunity, so does he. You gotta live in that world. It can't just be one-sided.
What do you think, though? When you hear about this, does it make you rethink the way the Trump administration goes about specific things that benefit President Trump? And maybe not think about how it's going to affect future and former Presidents? Give us a call. Welcome back to Sekulow.
Phone lines are filling up right now, but we got about three open: 1-800-684-30110. Great time to get in line. We're actually going to take calls a little bit earlier today.
So if you want to be on the air, you're not going to be holding quite as long. After this segment, we're going to hear from Mike Pompeo. Then Will and I will be back. And again, we have a special guest coming up after that to talk about what's going on in Syria. But we're going to take calls between now and then.
Let's restate the facts, though. A lot of you are just joining us right now. President Trump went on the record, essentially, being asked about Presidential immunity. And if these documents and all the things that have come out and using words like treason and all of the things that they say Barack Obama has done, President Obama, including even there saying he has done some bad things, he's done some criminal things. I mean, that was part of the quote today.
He's done criminal acts. There's no question about it, but he has immunity and it probably helped him on these things. Obama owes me big. That is what President Trump said. As, of course, they argued that President Trump should have Presidential immunity.
That case was successful for President Trump, and now you have the reverse where it's going to go affect President Obama. And by the way, I think that's the right. This issue. I don't think that now this changes the way the Supreme Court should or shouldn't have ruled, but maybe you feel differently. I want to go to a call about it.
Let's go to Michelle in Virginia on line one. Michelle, go ahead. Hi, with regard to the Presidential immunity, is there any difference? Between automatic and presumptive, I've been hearing things about it. And if so, could that help the case against Obama?
So it's actually presumptive and let me find that other word.
Sorry. Presumptive and absolute.
Now, the difference there would be that presumptive means that theoretically there could be some sort of thing if it was not within the official duties of the presidency.
However, that there's still the presumption there.
So that's where they start. And that also gives a lot of cover for it as well. Whereas absolute instead of automatic would be just no matter what, while you're in the office of the presidency, you have immunity. You cannot be charged for anything.
Now, obviously, the Supreme Court did not go that far if a President of the United States were to decide to go rob a bank. I don't think there's any, I mean, not a likely scenario. It's a hypothetical, but I don't think that there would. There's not a claim that you can find there to say, Like, yeah, he was robbing the bank because it's a part of the official duties as a President. This is, you got to meet, you got to discuss, you had to have plans.
Right, exactly.
So, that's where the presumption is: that we're starting with the baseline that you're doing things within your official capacity, and then there's presumptive immunity. But there could be theoretically robbing a bank as a President of the United States, you're probably not going to get an immunity sort of defense coming out of that. If anyone wants to test it. Future or former Presidents. Yeah, well, former wouldn't work right now.
They would have to have done it while they were in the world.
Sorry, Obama and President Biden. But regardless of what that Hunter interview was, you can't go rob a bank right now. Right. To that point, Michelle, though, where it does get interesting, and what I'm seeing a lot of comments here saying, is that what the Supreme Court ruled was that it was official acts you cannot be prosecuted for. I mean, you even think of some of the extrajudicial killings that President Obama did with drone strikes on American citizens that weren't even thought to be terrorists.
That's a thing that happened. That does seem to violate the law and the Constitution, but that is something that he would be covered under because of national security taking, using the military. Those are things that are official acts, even if the act itself may seem like it violates the law. That's where it went in favor of President Trump. They were trying to get him on.
Things like calling the different states, sending the electors, trying to get an alternate slate of electors, things that were viewed as trying to subvert the law of the country, and they were trying to go after him for all that. And as we've said, if you set an example. That is how things are going to roll. Look, it's not unlike impeachment. We said if you start making impeachment willy-nilly, you start making it flippant.
Then it's going to start happening again. It's going to happen on the other side. And look, how many times have we already? Seen a threaten or a file for impeachment. We've seen it now with President Trump, but also we saw it with President Biden how many times over and over and over.
And of course, it doesn't materialize because now you've just made it a part of this political lexicon that means nothing.
Well, and I mean, I almost expect a member of the Democrat caucus in the House now to come forward and be like, we're going to impeach President Trump. Why? He said, Obama owes me big. That's clearly got to be corruption. Why?
Because some sort of blackmail scheme that he's trying to perpetrate on a former President.
So he owes me big impeachment. Straight to impeachment. And why is it? It's because people don't know my name. And I need people to know my name.
Typically, that's the one. I need people to know my name so that not only can I win re-election, but then like, if I don't, I can get a job somewhere. Right. Because they're like, hey, he's the guy who tried to do it. He tried to impeach him.
Good for him. All right. Let's go ahead and take another call. Martin's got a good look on this. Martin, go ahead, North Carolina.
Thank you. I appreciate it. Donald Trump really I like what he said because he's looking at things in reality about immunity if it is a fur official act. But the one thing that President Obama cannot escape is the reality Of what he did with real evidence, not evidence that was made up or contrived. to try like they did for Donald Trump.
He can't escape that.
Well, and Martin, I think to your point as well, is that President Trump also said it doesn't cover all the other people that went forward with this. Just him. And one, if you think back historically, what the fallout for President Nixon. After the scandal of Watergate, right? He is largely looked at as a President that isn't looked kindly upon in history.
And he never went to prison, never did anything for Watergate. And ended a war. Right. I mean, he had great things in his legacy. If Watergate happened now, it would be a blip on the Radem.
They would laugh it off. I mean, because we're also looking at something that was much worse than Watergate, literally trying to subvert the incoming President with manufactured evidence. And so, if history serves us well, what should happen is that with all this coming out, President Obama's legacy should be just completely eviscerated. And everything that people look to him for should be gone. And hopefully, that there will be prosecutions of those people around him if they are found to be guilty of crimes that are being alleged here.
But I do think that I like seeing President Trump. Saying basically what we've been saying all week is that, hey, we have to be realistic. We're armed in reality. We're going to tell you the truth about what happened, but that doesn't mean he's going to prison for it. And I think that he is very clear-eyed about it.
That's right, Martin. Thank you so much for calling. We do a lot of calls, and I want to answer a lot of these because I think they're important, and I think people are now kind of seeing through. You have to be able to see through the political biases. You got to see through your own rose-colored glasses and the way things are working.
And look, I think. Tulsi Gabbard went out there and made her statements, knowing this as well, by the way, that let's give everyone the facts, even if the facts don't change and don't make President Obama seek prison time.
Okay, one, I don't think it's good for the country. I didn't think it was good for the country of President Trump. I don't think it was good for the country for President Obama or anybody. Uh President Obama. One, you know what it means.
Look what happened to President Trump. You arrest him, you do all those things, and he wins in a landslide. You know what happened if you did something like this to President Obama? And I know you're not going to like when I say this, one of the most beloved Presidents of the United States in our lifetime? Mm-hmm.
Okay, you would have probably the most catastrophic loss from a Republican in office because you would have such an outcry, specifically if his wife was to run. Let's go ahead and take another call. Let's go to Terry. He's calling in Georgia. Watch it on the Salem News channel, which by the way, we are available on the Salem News Channel, which is now like if you have Xfinity or any of those, a lot of times you can just talk into your remote and say, hey, I want to watch, you don't get that much information, just like through the Salem News Channel, and it'll come up.
I encourage you to watch this, obviously, on YouTube and Rumble and all that, but some people want a 24-hour feed. You want to watch it like you watch your other news stations. There's some other great commentators on there as well. And we're on there live from 12 to 1 p.m. But Terry, go ahead.
Well, I'm going to jump right in here, bud. You know, Nixon Watergate burned him. Obama turned around, does the same thing to Trump, no consequences.
Now we're finding out. A lot of these conspiracy theories that we thought were going on are coming out that are true. And I understand the Presidential Um what do you want to call it? Immunity. Immunity.
Thank you. But anyway, uh you know, every President leaves office with um They're soury. and security. They tried to take Trump's security away from him and everything else. Why don't they do that to Obama and take security away from him?
And start putting some kind of consequences on them. Because, you know, there there's got to be some kind of punishment for this because this is. This is totally unacceptable. I mean, totally. And I hope I'm speaking for a lot of Americans out there.
But this country needs to get straightened back around to have some common sense And some godly values. As we said, that doesn't mean that everybody else is off the hook here. Right. And of course, that's not official, by the way, that is off the hook. But when you have President Trump even saying that, He doesn't say that flippantly.
That also means the Department of Justice has briefed him and said: here's the realities of what we're looking at based off of what we've already have. Strike force. But they're not done. They're just now starting looking at this. But also, to Terry's point about taking away the salary.
While it would be nice for all of us to get in perpetuity $200,000 as a pension from being President of the United States, if you look at his Martha's Vineyard home, Barack Obama does not need that $200,000 to live as comfortably as he's living. Logan, we got 20 seconds left in this segment. Coming up next is Mike Pompeo. I want you to support the work of the ACLJ.
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Well, he's not. He isn't usually. No.
So, you know, sometimes it happens. Let's go ahead and take a call while we wait. Let's go to another call from Salem News Channel. Let's go to John in California. You're on the air.
Yeah, hi. I'd just like to say um you know, what what I think is ridiculous is that there's a system in place And when you're found guilty of treason, you hold trial for treason. He needs to be held on trial for treason and then let it play out the way it plays out. That's how it should be for anybody that does the kind of things that this guy did. And we know what he did.
And another thing: you know, years ago when Trump first got elected, I I know people that were saying it was a soft coup right then and there.
So for them to come out now and say, oh, there was a soft two and try to get all this information, everybody thinking about that instead of the whole Epstein thing and then the media saying, oh, well, we can't tackle two things at once is ridiculous. You guys can easily talk about both topics at the same times with the same amount of importance. And for the media to be trying to divide those and say they can't do that is absolutely ridiculous, and there's just no excuse for it, in my opinion. John, thank you. That was a good comment.
Again, watching on the Salem News channel. Of course, John, we were mainly talking about: sure, were some of those quote-unquote theories now confirmed with this documentation, things that we knew already? Yeah, of course. There were a lot of things in there that. were presumed.
But now Tulsi Gabbard said, here's the facts, and she revealed them. A lot of people still are laughing them off. John, as you've seen, people have said, How dare they make this into a big deal?
Now, Again? I've said it before. Like you said, do you think that he needs to go on trial for treason? That all st needs to happen?
Well, Then, if this was going to be something you were going to run on, you probably should have watched out on that Presidential immunity. Because now. It pretty much Makes it very, very hard for that to get there. And that is something that we advocated for. Right.
Is that I think all options of the President should be on the table. And when you're having these meetings, you're going to say stuff, you're going to do stuff that may not seem so, you know. on the up and up because you're trying to come up with what the plan is. You just got to see my pretty face for a minute. We're about to have Secretary Mike Pompeo with us.
I'll let you take the first question then, Will. Secretary Pompeo, we did see yesterday that France announced its plans to recognize a Palestinian state. This would be a historic move from one of the biggest countries and economies in the world. And we're seeing also U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio has condemned their choice.
But I want to see what your take is on this now that we're seeing France, a powerful country, taking this step, which is a little bit unprecedented by declaring they will recognize the statehood of Palestine.
Well, at a simultaneous point in time, this is both. Unexplainable and immoral. It's unexplainable because, well, here's the question: great, you're going to recognize the Palestinian state. Who's its leader? Right, right.
What does that even mean? Yeah. If you're going to go sign an agreement with them, whose signature are you going to get on it? And it's also worth noting that it's so it's confusing. I don't even know what it really means to recognize a Palestinian state.
Just as importantly, like it's immoral. These are people who killed Americans. These are people who have no capacity for moral reasoning, for conducting sovereignty. You can see what they're doing to their own people. In the midst of this conflict, to reach out and recognize them only fuels Hamas.
It only gives the Iranian regime a lifeline in a way that presents an enormous amount of risk to the people in Gaza, enormous risk to the people of Israel and the Gulf states. And certainly, risk to us in the United States of America as well. It's incomprehensible why he would, President Macone, would engage in this kind of what he would view as progressive moral preening at a time where there's still an active conflict taking place. And it's an issue that's all over Europe right now. And I think there's a lot of people that are concerned, even with travel and what they can do.
And I'm sure if you're Israeli, you're going, okay, well, what does that look like? We're seeing people on airplanes getting removed. We're seeing all of this happening in Spain. This is an interesting time, whether you are a supporter of Israel or just even not sure if you're supporting, like you said, a Palestinian state that right now not only has no clear leader, but if it does have a clear leader, it's Hamas. Yeah, no, that's it.
By the way, someone ought to draw for me the map that he thinks he's recognizing. It'd be interesting to know. It'd be interesting to know what he thinks to draw the map around Jerusalem, to draw, does that include Gaza? Does it include Judea and Samaria? Both of them, neither of them, either of them.
What's that look like in East Jerusalem? I don't think he really knows. This is literally a press release and moral preening. And that's not how statecraft should be practiced. And most importantly, this is dangerous because to your point, I promise you that the leader of Hamas believes that he is the leader of Palestine.
And if he now has statehood from the Europeans, he'll ask for recognition at the European Union. He'll ask for recognition at the UN and all of the things that. Come with statehood now, the terrorist leader, a designated terrorist in Gaza Strip, in Hamas, and Someone who's recently killed hundreds and hundreds of Israelis will now view himself as a leader on the world stage. It's like McCrone is Michael Scott going, I declare statehood, Palestine. I mean, that's what it feels like.
I like it. That's a good analogy.
So, I did want to follow up with this as we're coming here to a break, but you have a new article up. This is a completely different topic, but it's at aclj.org. I encourage everyone to go read it. It's fantastic. But the title is Six Months In, and Trump's Regulatory Rollback is a win for the American People.
The media doesn't focus too much time on this. They don't get juicy headlines as much out of it. But you point out that there's something that's not really reported on that much: this 10-for-one rule on rolling back regulations. And I just want to get from you: how important is this that could really supercharge our economy and help out small businesses across this country? You know, 2009, I ran for Congress because my small business was being regulated to death.
Uh, not just taxes, that was bad enough, but the EPA, OSHA, the list was long. And I decided I wanted to go be part of a Washington that would fix that. And now, President Trump is actually going to do that, it is glorious. He will unleash prosperity. If you're a young student in college and you think, man, I wanna go run my own business, you can now get it started fast.
And you can get the permitting you need to do it. All of these things that get little noticed in the press will just drive the American economy and create freedom for so many Americans. It's a glorious thing. I hope they stay at this till the very day they're out of office. If we got rid of 80% of the regulatory framework that was there today, we would still be safe.
We still have clean drinking water. The air would still be just as clean as it is today. Safety in the workplace would still exist. And yet, we would have people who were wealthier, people who could buy their first homes, small businesses that could flourish and hire people. It's a really important part of the energy agenda and the economic agenda of the Trump administration.
I applaud every time they can roll back a regulation. There's a little more prosperity and freedom in our country. Check out also Secretary Pompeo's article on ACLJ.org. Always great to hear from you. Always great to hear your advice and commentary here.
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Will, who we got? We got Congressman Abraham Hamaday from Arizona's 8th Congressional District. We haven't had him on since he's been a member of Congress, but he has been on the show many times over the years and is going to be on talking about the horrific things that are happening in Syria to the Druze community and how both the United States and Congress can step up. Before we get to that, though, I want to take some phone calls because we're not going to be able to take that many more throughout the show.
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We got about a minute and a half. I'm going to try to take one more call. It's been a hold for a while. Let's go to Kathy real quick in Pennsylvania. Kathy, you're on the air.
Um hiogen. Oops, I can hear an echo, and I don't have it on, so I'm not sure why. I'm going to try to get back to you. Let me put you on hold for a minute here. We'll get back to you, hopefully, in the next segment.
Let's quickly go to Kevin, who's an ACLJ champion. Kevin, go ahead real quick. I'm a Christian, a parrot, a patriot, a conservative, a combat veteran. And I can say that the quiet majority of Americans do not want to see Obama put in jail, but we do want to know the truth. And we want consequences to prevent this type of activity from happening again.
Kevin, I think that's a very logical way to look at it, which is find out the truth, have it all revealed, make sure we know everything. That's why I think Tulsi Gabbard's doing a great job. Of course, she was a member of this broadcast team for a number of years. It's because I believe her. I believe that she is telling you the truth, whether you like it or not.
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On this broadcast today, uh, and we will see if we can get to some more calls. Kathy, stay on hold. I'm gonna try to get to you, uh, but that may be it for the day for calls. We'll see, we'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow.
Like I said, a few of you are on hold right now. We're going to try to get some of you coming up, but we do have a very special guest, Will. That's right. We have Congressman Abe Hamaday from Arizona's 8th Congressional District. Congressman, thank you for joining us on the broadcast today.
And this is a very important topic. I know that you're on the front lines in Congress of pushing for both peace and accountability in Syria. And you mentioned in a statement that you put out, your office put out earlier this week, that the violence against the Druze community in Syria must end immediately. And you also talk about how the President has offered a fig leaf to the entire community in Syria, the new government there, to say, hey, you can join the world stage. You can come here and show that you mean to move forward.
But now they have to move forward and actually show that they can do something. What's your take on the situation going here? Yeah, good to be with you both.
So, you know, Syria has a special place. Obviously, I'm the son of Syrian immigrants. And when I took my oath of office in January of this year, I actually used the Bible of Kayla Mueller, Carl and Marsha Mueller. The parents were here when I got sworn in. And she was actually killed by ISIS 11 years ago by El Baghdadi himself.
So I can't escape it right now. And with the fall of the Assad regime, we had a lot of hope. to see what was going to happen for the future of Syria. Unfortunately, the events that happened last week with the targeted killing of the Druze in southern Syria has a lot of concern for me. I'm talking to Druze Americans who are in Syria right now.
They are scared. I know that they're helping. Hopefully there's going to be a facilitation to get them out of the country very soon. I'm talking to Ambassador Tom Barrick, who's doing a good job. And, you know, President Trump, when he met with the new Syrian President in Saudi Arabia back in May, he did give them a new way forward for their country.
And what we got to make. Sure, is that they're actually living up to their word. They have to protect the minorities, the Christians, the Druze, the Alawites, the Kurds. And so, the United States has a role to play in this to help shape and define this new Syria because Syria is at a critical cross point. I mean, we had the Iranians who had control over Syria for so long, you had the Russians who had control over it.
And now, what we're witnessing is an ability to have a new Syria that is not hostile to the United States or Israel.
So, that's my main focus. I'm more optimistic in terms of having the leadership of President Trump there to help shape this new Middle East.
However, based off the actions of the Syrian government last week and whether they were actively involved or were passive, it concerns me to have that many Druze murdered and butchered on the streets. And that's totally unacceptable. And we saw what happened about three weeks ago with the bombing at a church as well.
So, I know it's a tough situation coming out of a civil war like that, but we have to make sure we're always. Is protect the minorities of that country. I want to make sure people also know the facts about what's going on because I think it's very easy to get everything confused and wrapped up. And you're like, okay, well, we know there's Israel happening and there's Gaza happening and Iran and now it's Syria. And it becomes a bit hard to decipher if you can't picture it, if you will.
Can you give us a bit of understanding of why Syria is important in this situation? Why we need to be engaged and involved in what's happening here? Because there's probably a lot of people even watching who have just now heard of the Druze community that are not that connected to what's happening. That's not to say that they shouldn't have, but it's just the facts. And I can see that in the comments.
So I want you to kind of explain to the American people why this is something we need to be keeping an eye on. Sure.
Well, under the Assad regime, first with Hafez al-Assad and then his son Bashar al-Assad, they were ruling Syria for 50 years. And for 50 years, they were close with the Soviets and the Russians and the Iranians, and they were actively at war with Israel at many points in time.
So, when you had the fall of the Assad regime that happened last December, you know, now you had so many of these tribal factions and rebel groups come out of that. And what we had was this new Syrian President emerged as the leader. And with President Trump's blessing, you know, he removed the sanctions on him, he removed the terrorist designation. Remember, he was listed as a state, a sponsor of terrorism. But now that's all been lifted.
So it's all important because Syria has Mediterranean access, right? And Russia at a time actually had port access over there as well.
So it's important for the Americans to understand that the Middle East is complex, but what occurs there, as we've seen countless times, sadly and unfortunately, is that we're not immune from. The Atlantic or Pacific Ocean.
So much of what comes out of the Middle East sadly can come into the homeland. That's why it's so important to keep focus on that.
So, you know, with the Israelis taking out the Iranian facilities with the United States as well, that was key to reshape the Middle East. But, you know, President Trump, if you look at his first time when he was in office, his first country he visited was Saudi Arabia.
Now, in his second term, he also went to the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE. He understands how vital that region is to the United States interests. And I always say, America first does not mean America alone. We need our allies like Israel. But, you know, going back, there are Americans in Syria.
During the civil war, we had Kayla Mueller give up her life. She was a Christian missionary. And to see what she was doing over there, trying to help the people of Syria. And I'm still trying to recover her body, her remains. I'm still actively working on that.
So we got to make sure that all of Americans' remains come back, especially what just happened last week in Sweda in southern Syria that affected the Druze community. You know, I have a tie with the Druze community because my mother is Druze. And so, although many Americans may not hear of so many of these little groups in the Middle East, it's all ties into it. And Israel is very well aware of what's happening. And when Israel took out, you know, Israel has a huge Druze community in their own country, and they're very supportive of the Druze because they're very involved in their government there as well.
And for Israel to be the one to help go and help the Druze community at a time of need, remember, they actually attacked some aspects of Syria just last week as well. And so it all ties into it. And the United States position, you know, we had the Kurds. Don't forget about our Kurdish allies in Iraq and Syria. They were the ones on the ground helping fight ISIS.
And so all of these minority groups, they've all tied into the United States' strategic interests over time when we were actually engaged over there in the fight. We cannot abandon our allies. And that's my biggest message to the Middle East right now. Congressman. Homeday, thank you so much for joining us on this and bringing one the attention to this, but we know that you will be fighting in Congress for this, that you'll be working with the Trump administration on the way forward as well.
And we look forward to having you on the broadcast again soon as things develop and other angles that we can talk about this. Absolutely. Thank you for having me on. All right, thank you so much.
Now, I want to jump to a couple of calls before we wrap up for the day. Let's go to Kathy, who's calling. I'll try this one more time. Kathy, you've been holding for half an hour, so I want to make sure you get your time to speak. Go ahead.
Thanks, hi. Hi, Logan. Just two points. One is I thought that immunity, Presidential immunity, only applies while you are At present. That after you leave the presidency, that immunity no longer applies.
And it's my understanding that Obama continued his role of. Being the, you know, the the the The chief, so to speak. Kathy, just quickly here, because we're getting close on time here, but I did want to address this. One, that is the official acts that happened during his presidency, if they're going to consider it as that for the immunity. It would be very similar.
The parallel with the case that actually ruled on that from the Supreme Court was something that happened while President Trump was in office. They were trying to prosecute for later. And the Supreme Court said, no, that doesn't work. President Trump, when that case went forward, was no longer President.
So that would be similar. If he had this meeting and they're saying it's an official act, even though we know the outcome of what the entire purpose of it was, that would still be the same kind of analogy that happened while he was President and then while he was no longer.
So that would extend to the former President in that way. But also, I mean, they are doing an investigation.
So if there is proof of things that he was doing illegal criminal things post-President, I'm certain that the Department of Justice would be interested in that and would be looking at it, but we just don't have that information. Thank you so much for calling. I want to say thanks also to the few people we didn't get to today. If you're on hold still, we're not going to be able to get to you, but call back next week. Make sure to tell the phone screener that you were holding and we just didn't get to you.
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I do have two lines open for you, and no one in the studio with me. I'm so lonely. Will left. You know, this is what happens.
So you'll see what happens when I have eight minutes to my own devices. What's going to happen? We're going to take some phone calls. That's right. A lot of you got to hold for a long time, and I appreciate that.
Some of you are traditional terrestrial radio listeners, some are YouTube viewers. If you are on our YouTube channel, I'm going to ask you real quick: 508,000 plus subscribers. Millions watch each week. Half of you that are watching right now may have never seen me before. We look at our numbers.
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We're going to first start off. Let's just go and order as they come in. Do my best to answer him. Estelle's calling from South Carolina. Again, listening on the radio.
Estelle, welcome. Hey guys, I forgot to tell them I'm uh ACLJ champion. I appreciate it. Thank you. I would have gotten you but well, thankfully, you got first anyway.
So, though you were on hold for a half an hour, I maybe would have tried to do it, but I really do appreciate it. Of course, Estelle, that means that she gives on a monthly recurring basis, which is great. Go ahead. Um no, I just Mm-hmm. frustrated because All this stuff going on.
Obama and Branner. Will there ever be any repercussions from all this, or is it just going to go floating in the wind somewhere? It is totally understandable you would feel that way. I'm not going to say I don't feel the same way. We have been through this.
Yeah, I've seen this movie before, as we've heard many times.
Now a little bit different. Here? You have an administration that is actually living up to some of their campaign promises. You have a Tulsi Gabbard. who doesn't play politics in that sense, who is someone that was a Democrat, who ran against President Trump, but could see the corruption that was going on and joined forces.
That does not happen very much in Washington, D.C. People hold grudges for a very long time.
So it's a different world. That being said, do I think there's going to be a huge indictment of President Obama? I don't. Do I think there's other people that can be held accountable surrounding it? Yeah, possibly.
That could happen. I just don't see it happening in this country, and I don't personally know if a decade later, if that's really the best mode. I know you're going to say, I see the comments are going to come in and say, Logan, they committed a crime, they got to do the time, all those kinds of things. But remember, it's politics and you have to see through it and see clear. Also, look to the future.
What does it mean? What are the ramifications? What's the ramifications of Presidential immunity? Here you go. Which, by the way, I'm not saying I was against it, but you got to live with the consequences.
It goes both ways. It's not just Presidential immunity for the guy you like. But Estelle, I understand you feeling that way. I do think there could be some. Real investigations, there could be some real criminal activity or criminal prosecutions, but I do think to think it's going to get to the level of President Obama is maybe going a bit too far, but we'll see.
You never know. It's an interesting team in that White House. But thanks for calling. Let's go to Justin now, who's calling from California. Justin, you're on the air.
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I think Democrats constantly claim that they're the party of moral and ethical superiority, yet now things have to be information has been encumbered. the Obama administration, it's so disappointing to say the least. But I think Democrats play dirty, we know this. And I just want to make sure that as Republicans Let me uh speak.
the message that you know we're not going to Do that. And I play dirty that is. And I think our moral compass is the Constitution. Justin, I hope you're right. I encourage those who are watching and listening that are in the administration right now, and look, I know many of you do watch.
I hear from some of them. And I appreciate that. But listen to what Justin said. He wants you to be in there with your morals and your head on straight. Not just playing politics very hard in Washington, D.C.
I don't like being in Washington, D.C. I don't care to be around the people there because typically it is very dark. But there's some light. There's some light. There's some good people there.
He brought up that he was very disappointed in President Obama. I typically say there was actually a pretty big difference between the Obama administration and the Biden administration. We worked with the Obama administration, even when we disagreed with them. There are times we had meetings where our team got to meet with President Obama and his team. That did not happen at all.
in the Biden years.
However, now you look at this and you look at the information that was uncovered and you go, well, maybe it's just the same. Yeah. Great speaker. Most people voted for him. Those were pretty much landslide elections.
Most people were supportive of President Obama. We weren't necessarily one of them, but that is where. That's where it works.
So I understand the disappointment. I'm going to continue on. Jane is calling in California. Jane, go ahead. Hi, friends.
I love getting my news from you. And what I have to say is just a little bit tongue-in-cheek, and maybe Justin will. want to hop on board. But after having been gaslit for 10 years, about all of this stuff. I just think it might be fair, and I'd like you to take my case.
I think I have standing. That you, the $40 million that was wasted on the Mueller report because they already knew the answers. that we could use that to turn Obama's Martha's Vineyard property into an Airbnb for all of those who were. Robbed of You know Trump's hands were tied because of that death. And so, just if we could have a little RR at the airport.
Everyone wants to visit Martha's Vineyard. Why not? Look, I understand that this is tongue-in-cheek, and I understand your thoughts about this. A lot of people. A lot of people sacrificed themselves.
A lot of people went through the ringer during those years. And look, my family represented President Trump and everything, all the stuff that happened during all that situation. You have no idea the hours that were spent. You can only imagine what it was actually like. It's brutal.
Beat a lot of people up. A lot of people didn't make it. A lot of people did. But a lot of people didn't make it because this is a, they say politics is the blood sport, and that's 100% true.
So, what I can say is that's very funny, and that would be nice. Everyone needs a little R. Pray for the people that are involved in this because it's darker and heavier than you can imagine. Let's go ahead and continue on. I got two minutes, three calls.
I don't think I'm able to get to all three of you, but we'll get to as many as we can. Don's calling, go ahead, Don. Oh, That's you. I I had a real quick question about uh A consent decrease. You know, here in LA, that mister Trump's team is doing a great job trying to round up illegals.
But L A T D is uh Been joined by the mayor, by the governor, everybody not to cooperate with us. And I remember Mr. Obama. Mentioning him. During his administration, like things like Ferguson, for one example, he put police departments under consent decrees to make him do what he wanted.
Can we use a similar mechanism to compel them to com comply with federal law, comply with the authorities?
Well, a lot of times you think federal law would go above this. Look, I'm not a lawyer, I don't claim to be, I don't want to go into the details. But some of this is also what's going on, even in your own churches, what's going on in your own community. I watched a clip this morning of a church in California where the pastor priest, or I think it was pastor, was dressed like RoboCop, and the entire sermon was about how RoboCop was preaching against the police and how we need to remember what RoboCop was doing. And then he went on to talk about ICE.
And I'm watching there going, man, I don't necessarily even disagree with all his points. But it's coming from a dude dressed like Robocop. We got to change the way we talk about these things. But, Don, thank you for calling. We'll try to pass that on.
I only got 58 seconds, so unfortunately, I'm going to say thank you to Adam and Rhonda and ask if you want to call in tomorrow. Hopefully, you guys weren't on hold for too long. If you want to call in tomorrow, we'll try to get you up first.
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