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Arbery Verdict, Maxwell Trial begins and Roe Vs Wade by way of Mississippi

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December 3, 2021 5:00 pm

Arbery Verdict, Maxwell Trial begins and Roe Vs Wade by way of Mississippi

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This week allow a lawyer. Joe and I discussed the Marbury verdict, Maxwell trials just started and will Roe V Wade be overturned on error. Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer are your holes, your current Hamer law firm is where you can find them managing partners there 46 combined years experience between these two and offices will everywhere Raleigh Garner, Clayton, Goldsboro, Fuquay, Brea and Gastonia. They are practicing attorneys here in North Carolina and each and every week we get into legal topics. It is a lie. It's it it can be an intense discussion. It can be a fun discussion. We get off on some some topics in some tandems that's a lot of fun, but we want to remind you to the we understand there are a lot of legal situations that you might be facing. If you have questions, you can certainly get in touch with Whitaker and Hamer 800-659-1186, 800-659-1186.

Just leave your name, contact information little bit about what you're going through an attorney will be back in touch with you if you got a question you like to have answered on the program future program just email it to his I Morgan Patrick consumer advocate.

We welcome and the guys Josh and Joe guys how was your week. Morgan was a good week is good good Thanksgiving week.

I have no complaints. Joseph I was your Thanksgiving hey Josh, my Thanksgiving was fantastic. Very nice break very well needed break a lot of food, watched a lot of sports did a lot of sitting. It was great man, very worried about the new variant is as much as you had covert is that omicron Varian that scary. It's not it's not really scared me.

You know have of East do a lot of covert research and I was real Linda keeping up on the cutting edge of all the covert news and what was going on in and then I got coated and I feel like I'm still in that window where I'm I'm okay right now probably.

I've got some built-in immunity. You know something out of it least like 30 more days before I got to get back into really being a parent but that you show you that it twice correct that a couple it speculatively and I don't I've had a confirmed case, once the whole family had it back couple Octobers ago and we were in close quarters, and it's hard to say, man. It's weird. It's a weird disease but from what I can tell with this new variant.

Very mild symptoms that thus far. It's it seems to be the case. And again, things can change in there so little we understand. I think the assumption has to be that it's it is everywhere, probably now United there's been some travel being stopped, but I'm assuming that it's it's it's everywhere and I think it is super transmissible, but it seems like milder symptoms is what the early word is so hopefully that will be the case. It be nice man if it was superduper mild and everybody could just get it and it would be superduper mild and maybe we get to some level of of herd immunity because it's that's got to be around the corner. I guess what I keep resting on you know like it's at some point here like world and I've had it yet.

I wouldn't anyway say yes my Thanksgiving was fun pretty normal average Thanksgiving.


No no crazy higher low on Thanksgiving, but the Friday after I was a Carolina state game as you guys know that was a beautiful game which I willingly trying which came Carolina state to see that one.

Yes, I saw the calling minutes of it. I just got the last three or so minutes and can't wait for first state to state it up and 1/2. Thank God they didn't and what a beautiful what a beautiful thing to see happen happily to a better group. He would either. This is we got our season tickets back this year and so we didn't win every game and they did lose a game of home rights everything we saw was a winner was a really great you got a great year. Great yeah yeah note no complaints. You know the Wake Forest loss hurt us in Mississippi statement the kids a great group of kids date. They played their butts off but doesn't say you guys at state caroling and we were there right sold out. Great atmosphere.

People stood close it now when everybody even know people like us. We stood the whole game like were students and it was it was great but you know there the two minutes to go state was now what 10 points ESPN a given Carolina 99.99% chance that when I was courageously that the DD for group side left the stadium tour parking spot to get the truck ready warm it up very cold morning everybody seats after hearing the crowd go nuts because again we scored as AOL unit were still out of it and I heard him cheer and figure out it was the onside kick inside to make my way back into the stadium which they want to let me in the crew there.

I guess they don't after halftime. You can't leave and they frown upon that but apparently you are a good negotiator. I say what I had to use all my lawyer negotiation skills to get back in, and finally convinced him to let me back in and got to see our final touchdown in the household. The Tar Heels, but pandemonium is one of the most exciting games I think I've I've seen it state's state football anyway. I'm proud of you for get back in. And yet I not a state is a more of a state fan I am of a lot of times but but not huge anything but I looked it was super enjoyable game to watch, and then you as a Duke basketball fan transition into later in the night you had Duke and Gonzaga playing in Vegas very big game was not overly optimistic reduce chances in and they pulled that game out and very good night, a sports for me in general with the Duke when coupled with the Carolina loss also got to take the kids to the real polar express train just the chock-full type a day man slot slot action, yet not a lot action on the polar express train necessarily, but is a lot is a lot to do very cold. Like you said, very cold. How is Random House Haas essay. How is the hot chocolate hot cocoa house that I'll tell you.

That was the highlight they had cookies as well and I can allow Lotta love to the folks putting on the polar express at the North Carolina transportation Museum, but cookies were a little hard. Not gonna lie little bit hard on my several let you know I said my kids or even mom always wash what you done with that so I got a few extra that way but I think hot cocoa was very much on point and we got beautiful commemorative blogs and that it can't appointment. All in all very nice day and just a nice break in general which they George said it was not that was in Spencer, North Carolina. Like I related to our 15 minute drive while Sloan Drive is very long drive and then we know we we did the train and then it was running behind sweet and there's nowhere to go. You just outside's that were outside wandering around, we got that the very young child that doesn't know about one and 1/2 years old, wandering, being frozen not want to be held, screaming. I make it sound worse and it was fantastic and terrible at the end of the day and how it would be fun.

We got all the trainman it's warm get to eat the cookies and the cocoa and seeing and there's entertainments.your kids probably not the right age for Josh, but good. If you have another one for some reason ask and ask you guys to us all. My kids were shown me like a YouTube video where a bunch of I guess her celebrity I'll know they are too young for me, but I guess some celebrities of some sort work on going until an like a this was the best Christmas present I ever got as actual fun to watch sunglass you guys were over older generation and then the folks my kids, look up to. That world is video but I was going ask you to Morgan what was the best Christmas present ever got as a kid, I'll go first since it's not gonna be digital of any kind. But I remember back when I was probably six or seven.

I got the complete set of the Johnny West action figures from Mark's toys. I was telling I was telling Josh and not show prep right before we tape the show that went online and just looked on eBay and that full set. Now I think I think it was $25 total. When these are large like it almost 10 inch tall action figures with horses and all the gear and was for action figures for horses all the gears you community you have a different set ups and if you if you ever played Army or anything like that it was cowboys and Indians, but that was Johnny West, Custer, Geronimo, and then the fourth that I can't quite remember the name but it was like 25 bucks for that setback then and now on eBay. It's about $800 you spent hours with those action figures when when I was a kids about that would be my favorite good. I had really good Christmases, so it's hard to isolate one note Christmases is a great time of year you with my parents always made a very special, but the most memorable.

The most memorable Christmas gift I ever got was that it would been around 1990 6/10. At the time and the Nintendo 64 rows around the time for came out and I remember vividly remember waking up and and hearing like noises coming from the liver.

My dad was in the display unit having the time of his life since but yeah that's the one that really sticks out as far as that was, you can get them at the time and it was very difficult to get.

I want to one for a long time. I had a friend that had go to his house and he let me play it like a little bit and was real geek up when when I got that thing about that.

My my best gift was was six grade I was a regular Nintendo. I did not think I was going to get one. It was my wildest dreams I would. I got a Nintendo that year, and I got one and it was it was the best I really meant was the peak like no one will get me for the rest of my life I'll never get a present that compares with how much I wanted and didn't expect a regular eight bit original Nintendo back there's a there's a new Christmas movie out that literally that's that that's the part that I started watching that is always be a max I started while yet I could hang in there man, but here is one of your all-time favorite actors. We know this many think of what what what was up with a kid like this.

It was Christmas you got Nintendo 64 at Edmonton was a kid I just got it intended when I came out wasn't a birthday it wasn't Christmas day just like their parents just got a Nintendo for no reason and I just had it like what was up with that kid that was, and I think that is in jail now. I think that adding that kids gone down the wrong path and I hate that kid.

I hated him. I like Mike and I muddying back to the kid that I'm referring to super nice guy things actually really successful, but I'm with you man.

I didn't. What's up with that kid that you yes Josh. I think having someone in charge someone and you like. I think someone needs to look like, how does that. How does it happen glibly. My mind is a killing. You just got a Nintendo like it out. But anyway well today. We do have some legal topics to talk about. We we talked about some of these before. So we touched on these, but since our last show are very verdict came down and in a very highly covered case, we want to talk about that judgment.

The Giselle Maxwell trial actually starts today are recording day, but we want to touch on that again.

I got some coverage started yesterday so it's we get a day or two of trial took a look at and today the day of recording for us.

The Supreme Court's gonna finally hear the Dobbs.

The Jackson women's health organization, the abortion case is getting a lot of coverage we want to come and take a look at that and then I want to reveal the next pod in our movie. Our legal movie tournament challenge selected today. The lawyers Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer Wiccan Hamer law firm to the managing partners there 46 combined years experience between these two and again offices Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia and they are practicing attorneys here in North Carolina. If you have a legal question of your own. You need some answers give the firm a call 800-659-1186 at 800-659-1186 leave your name, brief message and contact information and attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be in touch with you if you've got a question you like answered on a future program email it to his questions and the outlaw you can always check out the website, the outlaw and Gastonia. They are the managing partners. There again practicing attorneys here in North Carolina I Morgan Patrick consumer advocate in each and every week we get in the legal topics that will follow along the way. A lot of this gets very, very serious and if you're in a situation where you need some legal advice. You can always call the firm 800-659-1186 at 800-659-1186. You can also email your questions to the show will use him and try to answer them for you on a future show and always when you got any questions at all, just go to the website, the outlaw, while are you guys what we've kind of been stirring the pot on the number of these these trials are going on and are you guys might catch everybody up yet. Morgan and before jumping to that I want to remind everybody do a good job keeping everybody reminded of this but me and Joe, we are practicing attorneys in the state of North Carolina.

We are only licensed in the state of North Carolina. A lot of the things we talk about are happening outside of of North Carolina so we really are just on the sidelines and just, yeah, some of things that we learned in our practice and how to look at legal cases how to evaluate the facts things we know about jury trials we can try to bring that to the table and we discussed it hopefully gives a somewhat unique perspective. I want that you might not be able to get you on CNN or Fox News. They appear the BBC so try to bring that back to the table when we we discussed these things, but it like Mike Morgan said if you do have a legal issue. If you have something you want the firm. The law firm of Whitaker and Hamer to look at you give us a call to shoot us an email.

That is how we make our living we don't make our living off our time here with Morgan but always want to reinforce that but 11 trial that we have talked about once or twice.

It was going.

I think our last time in the recording studio Morgan.

We were waiting for the jury to come back with a verdict is that we have our verdict that jury did come and an end and find the defendants guilty but Joe remind us what was going on in this one. Yes, so you you've got the you got that the armory case where you basically had three individuals you know we talked about these facts so we won't get into that the heat details too heavily but basically you had a gentleman all my armory he was he was going for a run, basically through an area and he was spotted by these individuals. And there had been some burglaries in the area. Apparently, and these guys basically they got weapons and essentially followed him cornered him, stopped him confronted him and there was an altercation and ultimately they you know armory which was shot and killed. So again, there's a lot more nuance to it than that but you know we we talked about it extensively. A couple of times now and we discussed that our prediction that you knew all of these individuals would be and should be convicted and and that was what happened you know are our 100% prediction rate on calling things like this is is still intact as much stuff going on with this and I thought it was a good complementary. I don't see any bite nationally, pick up on this that I saw but I thought it was a good complement to the Rittenhouse trial, which we spent a lot of time talking about this the self-defense you know Rittenhouse had claimed self-defense was charged with murder or minus how that ended up in. I think we talked about at the time.

There's a lot of discussion and opinions on whether Mr. Rittenhouse should've been where he was with the weapon that he had, there's an argument that he was asking for the other side is he eating. He was asked to be there and he was helping to protect life and property in an in either opinion. I can be swayed on there's a lot to discuss their but I think what you know when I trial was illegal for him to be there.

He wasn't doing anything illegal, and then he wasn't jury trial said hey you know he was in the aggressor. He could in fact claim self-defense and he ended up being found not guilty, and in this trial, we got our our defendants, who were also claiming kind of self-defense. They been charged with the murder of Mr. armory and their claim was you know it was a citizens arrest under a law that was standing in Georgia and it turned and and they were no longer the aggressors. They take children self-defense and that we did buy that here on the show. The jury did buy that either.

You can't be the aggressor murder results in you claim self-defense and so this is kinda look at this is the opposite of the Rittenhouse trial as this is a clear case where the people who started the incident committed the crime and that self-defense is not should not have been available to the jury spent a couple days asking good questions came and this was a good thing at both of these trials, Rittenhouse and armory, they may complement each other well. Good juries and judges did a decent job instructed well and and that they both got the right verdict at completely agree and I think that people should feel pretty good about both results in light of the evidence that was presented like he said Josh it's all about who was the aggressor in these situations and you know Rittenhouse you can make arguments about you know the why is he there with a weapon, but if you look at the evidence is it's clear you know he wasn't actively pursuing anybody with this weapon, you know that evidence actually showed that he was chased he was pursued, eat, eat. He actually brandished as his weapon several times that people didn't pull the trigger because you know that that all speaks to the fact that he wasn't out there aggressively trying to kill anybody he was he was simply trying to defend himself and you know the fact that he was there. Like he said Josh not doing not break any laws not do anything illegal, and there's nothing to indicate that he actively pursued anybody and and and was the aggressor in any any manner whereas in this in the harbor. Each row you got the exact opposite situation where these individuals literally got the vehicle and pursued Mr. armory again stopped him cornered him brandished weapons. Adam unit eight. They testified that he never brandished a weapon at him. He never threatened them and it think it it couldn't be more crystal-clear that this was the absolute right result in everybody should feel really good about it. It Mr. armory should not be deceased. Even he should be alive. His loss of life is that it is a tragedy, and the ones that are responsible her behind bars. I know we will have time to get into it here, but those defendants and armory trial who have been sentenced and see what they got. I'm assuming it's wife are couple life sentences depending on house charge, but they got some federal universal federal hate crime laws and then so there there also to be tried in Federal Ct. in February or March, but that always brings up an interesting double Jeopardy question which we don't have to delve too deeply here, but they have been found guilty of murder just justifiably am in a there guilty, so I got life sentences in Allegan to go on these these federal charges that have a similar punishment associated with them, but they've Artie been found guilty of the underlying murder. That's going be the basis of of the federal charges so you'll I think I think since this case was so highly followed by the by the media.

I think you see some discussion on on double jeopardy on these state charges and federal charges. It's not double jeopardy, but is always starts. Pretty interesting conversation yeah and and speaking interesting conversations another kinda interesting nuances developed from this this is is very recently coming out, but actually it looks like the you know the prosecutor, the original prosecutor in this case was actually indicted in this, highlights some some aspects that you don't you don't like to see but unfortunately I think it's it's more common than we would like to admit. That's just prosecutorial misconduct. Were you got, you know, prosecutors potentially doing things that are unethical pulling strings of behind-the-scenes things like that and you in this prosecutors actually been indicted on multiple charges that are all related to allegations about her actions when she was the initial prosecutor that was presented with his crime and essentially try to do a lot of things to to protect the defendants that she knew it had personal relationships with and that's something you don't see a lot it's it's pretty rare to see a grand jury indicted prosecutor for any kind of misuse of authority but but that's something that everybody you know. The shoot should be alarmed, by you should want to see in those cases, so it is an unfortunate reality. I think that we that probably takes place more often than than we like to admit. And it's just interesting to see it being dealt with here the lawyers Josh Whitaker Joe Hamer Whitaker Hemmer law firm again practicing attorneys here in the state of North Carolina and managing partners at Whitaker and Hamer law firm offices in Raleigh, Garner Clayton, Goldsboro and Fuquay Ring as well as Gastonia now and if you got a legal question of your own and it is perplexing you. You get some answers. You can call 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 leave your name, contact information little bit about what you have a question about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer law firm will be back in touch with you. You can also email a question to the show will use it on a future program to and you can always go to the website de get more information there guys.

I know it's gonna be a busy day today.

We've got the Maxwell trial.

You guys are get into next. Yeah yeah we got a couple things are starting this week so the Maxwell trial is is underway. We want to look at some of the evidences come out and then our spring board spent some time on this on the abortion issue is all right folks that's coming up next.

You're listening to the outlaw lawyers. The managing partners. There they have offices in Raleigh, Garner, Clayton, Goldsboro, Fuquay Green and Gastonia and a reminder they are practicing attorneys here in the great state of North Carolina we get into legal topics. Each and every week you may have questions of your own, you can always get in touch with the firm. 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 leave your name and contact information little bit about what you have questions about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be back in touch with you shortly. is the best way to get questions to the program will use those in upcoming episodes and please go visit the website de guys I know you got a couple cases you want to get into, and I give you the floor more into 22 big cases, got underway this week and have big ramifications. One more important in the other. The first one I wanted look at was the criminal federal criminal trial of Jolene Maxwell and Joey spent some time alone on this one I did more.

I think I told you last week. I been more interested in the way the media is covering it and we talked about some conspiracy theories out there that is what you get a lot of coverage because of some of the big-name folks who they were going to be up pointed out to get some negative attention in this thing is there's conspiracy theory that the major media outlets covered the same fashion that we sing other things, and we pointed out last week that it's a federal trial size difference or cameras are allowed, so it can't be. You can get it streamed you will be seeing any live action shots of you'll see those painted stills because this is this is federal court and somebody way you look yesterday.

I think yesterday Kirby from Onge about yesterday was the first day of of the trials I write my days yeah I thing was the 29th actually was start and so it's it's appeared it's it's definitely not front and center unit variant the current variant seems to be, get most of the coverage in the course. The market that had a good couple of days. That seems to be the big topics that are get nothing. We had a school shooting here recently to admissions that seems to be the top headlines, but you have to look for the major. I still see APs doing a good job the BBC because Prince Andrew's name is involved.

BBC is covering it with a really only care about Prince Andrew it it seems like but I like the New York no nontraditional outlets that don't have a lot of maybe mainstream credibility is like the New York Post isn't known for its journalism integrity, but they seem to be really covering it. But again, it's not getting as much coverage as I as I thought it would.

Yeah. So it is a little strange and we try not to veer into conspiracy territory but far less coverage than than you would think for something that that is this is really this terrible and the shocking and that encompasses potentially encompasses at least allegedly so many public figures and people of note in society and I think think you said part of the reason that you don't see as much of it is the fact. Like you said it's it is a federal case that you don't have, you'll have the same level of access to the courtroom so it's kind of hard to to have the same intrigue that you would have if everyone could kind of actively follow along in real time with every single thing that's happening. You gotta have the stills you gotta have that the secondhand accounts. I think that probably does play somewhat of a factor, but I'm with you Josh, you'd still expect to hear a lot more about it than than what we've heard thus far. Yeah, I think if you're not if you're not a practicing attorney. If you if you as an attorney have not spent time in federal court in state court. I don't think that I would've ever before.

Before that only I would've ever really understood all the big big differences between, you know, at the criminal trial in state court in a criminal trial in federal court, they are very different animals are the judges are treated very different. You got similar but different evidence that a no evidentiary rules. Just a lot of big differences in Internet accessibility.

I really think that is no one of the big reasons. You see, like you said, you know that that's not streaming live. It's hard give it the same coverage as if you just have you one correspondent sitting in the trials ticket notes and painting pictures and I was just a different level but still I feel like we should be here in a little bit more about it.

There was a couple I saw all the main news outlets had a little bit of coverage because the I just wanted their pilots that would fly to the to the island, name dropped people he had seen on the plane, Corsi and Cini. He did testify, don't think any wrongdoings the people are on this plane going to Mr. Epstein's island buddy throughout the thing with Clinton Tromp and Prince Andrew nothing or couple other big names that were on their way over there so I still think this was in a drop some bombshells yeah it's it's if you look at the names involved in and just being you and you can you can argue that some of these names are uncorroborated, but then you literally got tons of images and pictures out there with these people definitely associated with Epstein and again I could be near him walking up at some event and just get in the picture with it without saying everybody knew what was going on with this individual but really really harrowing accounts from these these young women that are given their accounts of what happened to him and that in the things that took place just to shocking and and and ends is super upsetting and you know I think that from from what I can tell again. It's hard to make a prediction on this because it will have the same level of access to the evidence we get the secondhand accounts but what you what you predict, Josh. I don't know I think it's hard for her. You know I don't I don't have any idea how long the trial will take you know, so I'm curious on how long it'll it'll go. I know there's a lot of people are called to the stand and it's kind of an unusual kind of a little bit of an unusual case to have to prove but I can imagine she walks like I imagine she's going to be found guilty. I think you have like another week and 1/2 of of trial before he goes to the jury, but I can imagine she walks away. Yeah, I can either not I have to agree with you on that and it'll be interesting to see you know how much how much more we hear about it.

What else comes out and what kind of coverage that it gets in and whether it just kinda fades into obscurity once once the verdict is released or whether the other something that that unravels further from this will keep watching us on this one got a ways to go soul people I own and I'm sure we'll talk about it again, but the bit the big one and we talked about this next case is come for the Supreme Court, this is Dobbs the Jackson women's health organization by the lifetime joining her the name of the case, but this is the one that has the Mississippi, the state of Mississippi has a statute that basically prohibits abortions. After week 15 after the first trimester and contradiction direct contradiction to the rules that have been laid out under Roe V Wade, and so this is the you know that the media's been talking medicine for a while got, the more conservative leaning set of Supreme Court justices. This can be the first real test of you Roe V Wade, and a lot of people worried about this why people are super excited about it and I think Meijer talked about this ureter one side or the other, and the Supreme Court's time in a bad spot because whatever they decide. I don't have to contribute really mad have to contribute really happy you notice, no win situation for them but I think we were really concerned that there Roe V Wade's been precedent for however long since the 70s and this is the first time with people really were to be some big changes to yeah and it I'm with you, you know, some people are to be best thing about people you know people are to be upset want one side one side of the aisle is going to be upset no matter what or both sides, potentially, depending on what happens I'm working to see any kind of super sweeping gigantic earth shattering change here but but like you said, you know, it's hard to predict. You never know it will be extremely interesting to see where this goes into what extent you know things are whether things change, or how it's decided. I think that's really yes really interesting thing. If you follow the Supreme Court and you know the history of the Supreme Court. It was very politicized how injustice gets to the Supreme Court. Now you know they get nominated by Pres. you know and Republican presidents not using. I nominate you know I liberal democratic justice that get confirmed no justice Cavanaugh's confirmation was hotly followed story as was just disparate but is politicized as I really feel like if you if you if you pay attention these justices they come in and obviously they have their their beliefs, their religious beliefs their feelings their political leanings, but I really think on this level is just as you can see they take it very seriously. They're not you know they try not, I think, to insert them their political beliefs directly into these cases soma just as I'm sure you have probably name on what you got certain justices that I'm sure firmly believe that abortion is a is a constitutional right that you can't really trifle with. And you can't limit very easily and I'm sure you got your justices who think Roe V Wade. I think Clarence Thomas is been very vocal so just Thomas thinks that was bad law, but I think he talks about it whenever he speaks of the matter.

He thinks that's bad law. He doesn't really think abortion should be recognized as a constitutional right and he's the most senior member of the court and so anyway I'm with you Joe, I don't think there and uphold this this Mississippi law. So I think strike it down and it'll be status quo.

You know, we still did the Supreme Court is not ruled on the Texas law that we talked about the Texas abortion law that they've heard arguments on we don't have a ruling yet on that so that in all this together usually got folks nervous but I think the court generally respects precedent and I don't anticipate anything crazy happening but you never, I guess you never know you never know. Josh, you know where we talk a lot about the Supreme Court in judging and judging things in.

It's a very good segue into our all time greatest legal movie tournament in which we will be judging several of the greatest legal films of all time. I tell you I I'm excited about this will preview it just a little bit will get into it in the next segment of the program. The LLI is Josh Whitaker and Joe Amery, your host again practicing attorneys here in North Carolina managing partners at Whitaker name or law firm offices Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia.

The ever-expanding Whitaker and Hamer law firm if you got your own legal questions you've been listing of the show and and and you've heard the guys go over these different cases mean were here to inform, educate and work trying to entertain and I think were doing a pretty good job that all these different topics and some of them are very, very serious, some are not. But we do have these discussions for each and every week here on the outliers. If you got your own questions.

Here's the number to call 800-659-1186. That's 800-5911 86 leave your name, contact information briefly what you got a question about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be back in touch with you if you got a question you'd like answered on the air will email it to his will use it in an upcoming show. So guys are we going to movie tournament and then the question from one of our listeners are, how you do that yet. Organizing really jump right into into the movie tournament and reveal our comedy bracket and spent some time there. I'm in there there's some deep discussion going on already behind the scenes on the comedy bracket, and I look forward to is coming up on the other side again your list to the outliers Josh Whitaker Johanna Ryberg Patrick consumer advocate will be back right after this, the managing partners there 46 combined years experience between these two and again offices Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia and they are practicing attorneys here in North Carolina so we got into some serious subjects today and now were going to go not so serious but a lot of fun. Joshua you came up with this idea to do a kind of a sweet 16 of legal movies, where do we stand so just to review this. That is what were doing.

This is a sweet 16 of the top or try to find is the top movie involving a trial involving the law we be calling them legal movies but the best legal movie of all time. And so we have 16: team scrap 16 movies in Weaverville last week revealed our first pods we have what I call the black and white pot. So just by way of review on the black and white pod included for movies so as to kill a Mockingbird.

12 angry men miracle on 34th St. and inherit the wind and just for our listeners. Josh is that one through four seated so to kill a Mockingbird would be the overall number one I think so. I will go back and revisit seeds. Once we have all the movies field. I think kill a Mockingbird. I think that has to be our number one overall seed is my personal opinion, but, but, yes, I think for the pod. That's the seedings I think we can say for that pod. That's one through four and do an overall seating once I haven't told Morgan and Joe all the movies yet. So once we have all the movies out there will see them up will do a bracket and house and have our listeners votes will put it out on social media and the webpage and will vote on these will hopefully be fun. We talk about so much serious stuff on the show. I thought this would be that we can have a lot of fun with. Listen Josh, I don't want to downplay the seriousness of autonomic classic films like inherit the wind and not yet. And this is a reminder list is not seen very little movies I get real bored.

We talked about that earlier today on the new eight bit movie. It takes a lot for me to get through because I just get bored and do something else out. I'm actually having to watch. I don't know when I'm in a find the time I'm in have to watch inherit when because I don't believe any of us have seen inherit the wind be correct on the side.

Yes, we sure it's a real movie think it is you I think you're legally required to watch at least one third of all these movies Josh. I think I think so.

I think we all need to Joseph I think you seen several of our in reviewing the notes I would've guessed that you seen every single one of the ones that were to discuss in our upcoming comedy bracket. That's right will talk about I haven't seen them all spoiling. That's four of the seven movies that you seen in your life and in the fairly not seem to kill a Mockingbird like 99 times. That's really I really is unfair. You could replace 98 of those viewings with 98 in your life would be the better for it. Honestly.

So we got it we got are black and white pod which we discussed it today and unveil our comedy bracket Caesar for legal movies. Definitely comedies blasting will struggle will talk about betting the clear number one in this bracket. I guess to some argument here, but I got my cousin Vinny is the number one coming out of the comedy bracket that's a solid solid tech. I think it's a solid big guy and I am but I have to. I think it is something is the number one to him to go ahead and agree with you and we can we can see that number one it's got the strongest strength of schedule of these films I have seen that movie from beginning to and more than one slats that says a lot flowered and I believe Marissa Torme one. It was that best actress for best supporting actress for her role as the girlfriend to Joe Pesci Sevigny, but yeah, I was so that was a very entertaining movie.

Side note diversity may my secret crush Marissa Torme goes back to my different world days when she was in the first season of a different world but you know what her best performance was. It was my cousin in order best performance was. I'm bated breath. I can't can't wait for this I did you see the wrestler that was a good movie that a legal movie that's a good mood yeah is it was good so that's that's what you're yes you're saying that's her best performance thing that's her best rolling should a good job there. Whatnot, not wild hogs, wild hogs is an all-time classic bad so suggested to to back up your claim. There Josh Marissa to make she was.

She was nominated into one best supporting actress for my cousin Vinny also nominated and one for the wrestler as I did know that she is several awards, several several awards dinner when the Academy Awards she was nominated, but she won the central Ohio film critics Association award. Let's spiral big in Ohio.

The only nonessential target dieting.

Here the central part of Ohio. Some some of the best film critics that there are from that central Ohio area. So Mike, my cousin Vinny strong John performances.

That was the that was Fred Gwynn.

You know if your big monster, she wins last last anything great set of pipes limits. My cousin Betty.

I think we can all agree very strongly. There's a lot of folks that XMI got. Here's is very popular on people like the legally blonde, a fine film I find film.

I think it a strong second seed but but it's not my cousin Vinny Josh, I have not seen legally blonde alloy third.

I have seen all the parts of it in different orders from when the white accounts man I can I walk in and it's got some funny parts. I think it's a cousin Vinny, but come on guys, I mean we've we've all been in the barn.

We wanted to get the attention of a female back in the day when we were married and one attached and I we done the bend and snap Connolly done that snap yeah that that snap a classic yet it's it it's a film that was very, very popular in popular culture. Speaking of awards. Reese Witherspoon did when the MTV movie award for both best line and best-dressed and best comedic performed so really racking up the awards for the film legally blonde for Reese Witherspoon dear Friday what was the best line I let's see have got. I do have. Let's see if I can pull up the best line from the MTV movie works. Good Lord, there's a lot of awards a lot of the best the best line I want to do my best to deliver it. It was oh I like your outfit to it except when I dress up as a frigid word that's not permitted on a radio show.

I try to not look so constipated. Hope man that line beat out King Kong ain't got nothing on me from Denzel Washington and training day that I can agree with that. Yeah that's like I can get without either. That's answer off I will be dropping a quote from legally blonde.

I'm just gonna say that long of a quote that we might, we can drop the bend and snap that status call back to legally blonde number two is the number two film Lotta people seen it very popular. Spawned the SQL legally blonde two red white and blonde in the Chuang movies, right, and that you all get a movie that you are so different was it. I think it's while I got a movie but I don't know was if it was back to legally blonde thought for some reason I thought it was part of the negative in any Chihuahua to the number for the number three seed which I think is a surprisingly strong three seed, but Jim carries liar, liar, rightist kid puts a little bit of the curse on him he can't he can't tell a lie. I was avoided this movie I liked. I like Jim Carrey just fine, but I do now is when I can't remember exactly what year this came out but 9.97 I was wanted to be an attorney. I was in law school yet. 1997, but I didn't like.

I am like them same attorneys had to live that kind of thing as I can. I cannot put this one on the back burner seen most of the time that I have to watch it again.

I seen most of it but I gotta give it a good honest viewing this back when Jim Carrey was like number one at the box office could really do no wrong, and he was riding the wave and it's a funny movie. It is, it is a funny movie and it it would very firmly falls in the category of illegal film and I think when you look at all of the legal comedies.

It's it's a fair it's fair to call that a three seed, and I think it's a good bit right so what's number 464C. It is, it was a it's a longshot soreness or look in an absurd considering the movies that we could, as I think we talked about a lot of netlike there was some legal aspect, but it was kind of shaky could relate tangentially related day I could really bring those answer when I got down to the actual movies.

It really did revolve around a trial or something legal. There was enough there wasn't a whole lot in picking this one because I read.

I haven't seen and we want to stay for the record that it was Josh that picked this one. It was Josh.

I haven't seen this movie and and I can't.

I can't strongly not you got buried the argument Josh, but I read I read a synopsis and now I'll share it with you, but the number four seed in the comedy bracket is going to be a movie you may or may not know exist apparently was called jury duty and starred the comedic genius Pauly shore.

You may remember my seen the movie Josh, you own it.

I think you need. I can't hide from it and I'm hoping this is available to stream writing check times they available. It was a fairly this this was a time when Pauly sure was on top of the world, but I mean he had a late he was far more popular than he is now and yeah jury duty man you see jury duty Josh, you just may not remember it but I Pauly shore movies affect the other under the name Pauly shore seen this shaman is shaman out of tournament. It is deftly going to be the 16 seed.

I can't imagine I haven't revealed the rest of we stood at two brackets to go with the eight movies to bring into this but I can't imagine jury duty not being 16 C but I will tell you the synopsis I read so in our black-and-white pod we have 12 angry men.

That's one of her babies in her black and white but I'm not seen 12.

I will watch but this is apparently is a comedy, but it's loosely based on 12 angry men, which I find crazy. I want to apologize to shaman and for comparing them to Pauly shore but I tell you the comedy bracket looks pretty good minds the fourth see my cousin Vinny legally blonde, liar, liar, and jury duty storing the ethic Pauly shore the lawyers you listen to Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer. They are your hosts and also managing partners at Whitaker and Hamer law firm practicing attorneys here in the great state of North Carolina 46 combined years experience between these two and offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Varina and Gastonia.

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Welcome back, Joe Hamer, your host, Whitaker and Hamer law firm 46 combined years of various offices in Raleigh, Garner, Clayton Goldberg, Fuquay Green and Gastonia. They are the managing partners at Whitaker name or their pricing attorneys here in North Carolina and we are at the Sprint to the finish got a legal question of your own. Make sure you call 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 or you can send your question to the show guys I know you got a listener question. So let's get to it Hamered out more and we get these listener questions and and a lot of times will get multiple questions and kind the same topics I try to consolidate them in one question that we can spend some time talking about and so we did a lot of questions on a home homeowners associations in general like what can homeowners association.

Do how can they find me. Lotta HOA questions and so I've consolidated those into the kind. The worst case scenario and edits can homeowners association foreclose on. So Joseph asked the question is are listener question I would answer the question I would answer that question in the affirmative. Josh, because it homeowners Association absolutely can and will foreclose on you and we have actually seen it happen on more than one occasion where a homeowners association has foreclose on a homeowner server states will different you know some unified unified uniform plant communities act a lot of states include North Carolina have adopted but state-by-state homeowners Association questions can have different answers of me and Joe being licensed in North Carolina in North Carolina and HOA if it set up correctly.

If it's got all his ducks in a row. If they find you. Usually HOA will foreclose because they're fighting for something you haven't paid your dues, you get fine for violating a covenant you're not rectifying that violation seeking get daily fines may be liable for some HOA attorneys fees at some point that number that you owe the HOA gets to a point where the HOA can foreclose on your home sell it at public auction.

Just like your Wells Fargo just like your lender could Bank of America river your lender might be, and they can sell it to 1/3 party who would then own it subject to anything that was already their rights. If you got a first mortgage that you pay every month that first mortgage is still there with you on the property.

They sure if they do everything right.

You have plenty of notice to be a lot of times you have a lot of time to consult with an attorney hired an attorney try to take care of it. But the last resort or in HOA is they do have the ability to foreclose on on a lien if they properly fondling soda by Joseph said answer is yes, but most injuries don't go that far right most HOA's won't just rectify whatever the issue is between the two of you, and I think foreclosure I would would argue is is kind of a last resort you'll see a lot but you do see it.

It does happen where people just reached an impasse in yesterday's way things they have no other option than the homeowner doesn't biogenesis, with the two trains meet going full speed so it does happen we see a lot yeah and I think the lesson for for our listeners know a lot of people get annoyed with her HOA and you know it. Take the approach like what can these what can they really do to me like I'm not paying this a lot they can do to you. You know they are legally empowered to impose substantial fines, and we seen people charge just ridiculous Psalms of legal fees and collection fees and things like that and if you know if it's if it's something that's allowed in the covenants, and is in against that you did. These are things that can be done so you know you need to take that seriously, and it's something you really need to be considering when you buy a property you know what what your HOA. What are their fees.

What is it look like what's the structure because it's it's it's something that you may not like, but it is something that bylaw they are able to do anything just got to be cognizant of that gentleman. Another great show fast-moving. Looking forward to next week to remind everybody your listing to the outlier's Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer, your host, you can find it. Whitaker and Hamer law firm Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Green and Gastonia, where their offices are located, they are practicing attorneys here in North Carolina and the managing partners at Whitaker and Hamer law firm if you got a question send it to us 800-659-1186 or you can email see on the radio next week is attorney licensed to practice law in North Carolina yes appearing on the show maybe licensed North Carolina attorneys discussion of the chosen to be general in nature and in no way should the discussion be interpreted as legal advice. Once an attorney licensed in the state in which you live the opportunity to discuss the backs of your case with you. The attorneys appearing on the show are speaking in generalities about the law, North Carolina, and how these laws affect aboriginal Carolinian. If you have any questions about the content of the show, contact us directly

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