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The US Supreme Court will have a vacancy and North Carolina and Sports Betting is this close to happening?

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February 4, 2022 5:00 pm

The US Supreme Court will have a vacancy and North Carolina and Sports Betting is this close to happening?

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The Outlaw Lawyer discusses the Supreme Court upcoming vacancy with Justice Breyer retiring. North Carolina and Sports Betting makes this week's show, josh & Joe weigh in. Plus the NC Supreme Court has redistricting on it's plate and the show discusses.

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This week on outlaw lawyer Joe and I talk about North Carolina and sports betting that might be about time we also talked about Justice Breyer retired from the Supreme Court now no longer welcome in the outlaw law is Josh Whitaker and Joel Hamer Whitaker and Haber law firm of the managing partners there there practicing attorneys here in the great state of North Carolina.

They have 46 combined years experience and they have offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia. We talk all kinds of legal estate planning, administration, personal injury, criminal traffic, family law or real estate.

I mean it's all in there but we also hit the hot topics I Morgan Patrick consumer advocate, there's gonna be an opportunity for you if you got your own set of legal issues you got some questions you get in touch with Whitaker and Haber by calling 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186, leave a brief message and your contact information and an attorney with Whitaker Hamer will be in touch but we got a lot to get to including the US Supreme Court, North Carolina and sports betting so I'm excited guys welcome and great to have you back on the radio Morgan. It's good to talk to you. I have to apologize is more my energy level is low, I'm still little depressed from the UNC state basketball game.

The other down. If you and if you call that yeah I got I caught it. I caught it. That was I was a nice way to celebrate Roy Williams, I think there was an eye.

I applaud state for, you know, let that happen. I was it was pretty ugly and Caroline is not having a great year states not emigrate uses the bad basketball you because it is well taught it in the way that you would catch a disease conveyed to even through Duke fan a.k.a. gave me no pleasure, and it made me very sad. It always frustrates me estate state always seems to play very well against against Duke, especially basketball, at least in my mind I could be completely wrong, but my jaded perception as they always seem to rise to the occasion. Play very well give the great challenge. And then it it seemed so often they just completely tank against Caroline and it makes me that's that that's the game that I that route. The absolute hardest for state and of the most invested and and went really poorly really quickly and it just kept going poorly and my energy level is low.

I spent some time with you this morning. Josh, you know, we have morning and I'm here as an empath that picks up on feelings.

I got a culture low energy. I haven't recovered. I just have her codifying a man only watched the first five minutes I turned it off as a house enough to ruin putting is today through Wednesday of the following week is a state fan, you can kinda get the feeling early on is going to real bad that it was going real bad night CME AC chance for redemption, but I hate it.

For those kids man because you think they got me pumped up for the state Carolina game at Carolina you know when there wasn't much they could do. Man I'm in Carolina I will make a bold prediction of course everyone knows were hundred percent all predictions we make. Carolina will never shoot like that again for as long as the school exist. I'm a salesman that's their greatest shooting performance that they will ever have. As a university yeah and then wordlessly wearing the All-Star break for hockey so we can even usually idling on the hurricanes to get some kind of sports relief is as a state basketball family came to do that right now had a hell of the first half of the year, though a piata really tip your cabin finger sticks against the baseboards because I mean it's it's pretty impressive what they've been able doing and don't forget at the end of last season the fan base was absolutely going crazy because they weren't signing certain players in Duarte that when I got got some other pieces and then they look like a team that could, you know, I want to say it out loud voice the you know what you think JoJo is just become a bigger hurricanes fan the knee, but Joe you even pretty excited about this told yeah he's ill get in there man, I'm still I'm still gradually getting there deftly a fan obviously have been a family you're going to be a fan of your hometown sports team the especially professional team. We don't have. There's a lot of variety. Like with the college game where you you could have four or five teams in a close distance always been a fan.

Based on that. Never been a huge hockey fan but you know we started going to the games this year which I think is a big I we got we got to attribute a lot of the teen success to that alone is our attached is a little boy, that's one thing that's changed but no man, I'm getting there.

I'm still not quite as invested in not wanting to win. But whereas with like you know basketball and football sports have really cared about all my life been involved in have more investment where like if a team that I that I like, you know loses a game it still affects me more so than it does you hear hurricanes lose. It doesn't break my heart and opt out member walking out of the game at a loss. You'll see people asked. You know you can just see people that are super upset or mad. There there yelling and I'm not to that point, but I'm getting there, man.

I'm getting to the point where I can be very angry about a loss sooner rather than later. There's there's there's one way we can find out if you really invested and I can ask both of you this question since you guys both go to the games. Have you purchased a team sweater yet, and if you have what number did you purchase. Here's the thing. Man is almost a trick question. The question because is what I discovered is I go to these games and you know this is we don't get a lot of outlets for our for our free will get to go have a lot of fun because were very busy lawyers we figure out a time doing it extremely, you know complex legal work. So these games are really my my outlet that yes that is the one fun thing we get to do a lot of time so I do barely any drinking in my life other than when I go to these games tends to happen is what will go will will you know start have a few beverages at the beginning of the game and then around half way through it. I'll go and I'll buy a new piece of merchant literally every day, so I have not only do I have a team sweater.

I have several jerseys. I've got Beatty's and this is the thing they don't have many that you you can't really get a number jurors. They only send you know it's it's random that they will have random players jerseys that are numbered, so a lot most of them are blank in the customize for that's what I found out for it for the low cost of $80. They will customizable whoever's number on it you want. So I've got a jersey it's not numbered okay and I have not have not decided what number and one with when I when I do get it numbered, but I've got a short list Ellen Yellen. The only I got. I was at a game and be couple years ago that I was again my two years ago. Sit in the 200s and they came out they shot the T-shirts out of the Canaan got one of those but it was a medium don't quite make it into the mediums squeeze into that yes all that's all I've got. I got a get on the I'm gotta get on the train. I will medium for the game you squeeze in that medium appear really short shorts in your getting on the Jumbotron even be a fixture at the Panthers games used to be that it was like is meant to be. I was even standing up like somehow the shirt got over everybody's hands and his leg hit me and that God is a God. It's pretty sweet that it was a medium is like they were. I'm sure there's people everywhere mediums but I don't lose people.

There's a lot of poetic poetic irony to the meeting and hitting you in the gut. You know we always start out you know where were big, big sports fans is hard not to talk about sports when we get together so we can always start out there, but were always heading towards the law, the legal topics. As of this we had a couple things.

Justice associate Justice Stephen Breyer has announced his retirement. He's 83 so we'll talk about what happens when justice retires how they replace mixing that play out a lot here over the past couple years and just kind talk about that process. I was been a lot of time there talking about the prospect enters there's news here that a sports bill that would allow sports betting in North Carolina and sports books in North Carolina's, weaving its way through the legislative process and then could become law.

This year's there's been a lot of talk about North Carolina in sports betting is I really want to spend a lot of time, looking at that and and talking about that I know me and Joe were big fans of legal sports betting so we got a lot of commentary there but organizing this will really do Rimmon jumping to those two topics and and take it from there. Today right sounds sounds good guys to answer.

Looking forward to it again. US Supreme Court in North Carolina and sports betting to be the two big ones this week we will talk about those topics coming up were mine are listeners that you can get in touch with Whitaker Hamer. If you have a legal question of your own and need some answers. You can call 800-659-1186 at 800-659-1186. You can also email questions to the program will use them on a future show when you call the number 800-659-1186. Just leave your contact information little bit about what the calls about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be in touch and visit the website.

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I had a very important legal question for my friend Joseph Jerry there ready to hear me aware how there's knowing this, nowhere else from here waiting for this. So we did and we been working on the Google SCO. We need a website you know we we have ads that we run things like that though the law firm of Whitaker SCO is always annoying to me yet.

SCO different search terms.

But you have to you have to SCO attorney law firm and lawyer as you never know what people organ. He used it to search and insulate makeup by got me thinking. What do I prefer to prefer being called an attorney or guy prefer being called a lawyer and I spent too much time thinking about pondering that question because I guess you get to choose right minutes. They're both okay. The part as a member. Probably one of those far as I'm aware, is up to you what you put on your business card, Joseph O what do you prefer what I want to do a real attorney thing to you Josh, answer your question with a question and I know my answer is going to be. But before I answer, I'm interested in what it is. You obviously put a lot of thought of this. I'm coming off the cuff with it. I'm interested to hear what you chose that I think we think we we started out being attorneys and counselors at law and we talked. We talked on the show from time to time. What that what that counselor term means and where it comes from Cy thing I've always instinctively gone with attorney. Although, I gotta tell you I like the sound of lawyer more but I have used business card is about to pull out my business card. See what's on there but I don't have one around. I don't know man I think I think I'm going attorney on this one. It just it attorneys what I've used for something I don't know why man is because you could make the argument that attorney is also pretentious but lawyer just seemed more like pretentious to me and I guess you've heard you here that you know a lot of people who have a negative perception of what attorneys are you here, you know the law, your jokes and that's law here is what is always used in that concert. I don't know. It says like a negative connotation, more so than attorney so that I like that counselor.

Peace to men. I'm cool just being just call us counselors and I think Eddie Salieri, counselors, legal counselors. Now when I hear counselors, guys, I think about summer camp at Cambria who can allocate your listeners to great memory and legal legal law camp yeah why don't why you guys be attorneys and you can play longer on the outlaw along or on the weekends about is the name of our show man. I didn't think about that the outlaw attorney sounds stupid and just how it does not work at all. I think I think we have to reverse her answers and your lawyer. Now that I wore it as a yeah I really meant to talk about. That's the kind of thing I ponder in my free time but my brain just goes and then, after research attorney comes from where lawyer comes from outlaw attorney are our law office pops up so that is something there is no outlaw attorney out there so we said, and more research but illicitly named arsonists to the Knights of the big unit we we try to cover legal news. A lot of times we try to cover things in a way that the normal nonattorney media covers them.

This was a big story. Everybody's covered it. We didn't have to go looking different networks for coverage but associate Justice Stephen Breyer is 83 years old. He is been on the court since being appointed by Bill Clinton in 1994.

He has decided to to retire and I assume he's doing that because midterm elections are coming up and the Biden administration. Justice Breyer's is in the liberal wing. I think most people would say. Can we try not to winter. We tried to make it to political but Justice Breyer is on the liberal wing of the court and seizing me stepping down and so Biden's president, Biden's campus made a lot of news this week by saying you are working on replacing but were to replace them with an African-American female.

There's an African-American female on the bench and on so there's plenty of qualified candidates. They can't Artie put together a short list that's being reported that that's the big legal news Alan that we have much commentary on that. Besides, you know, just pointing out that it's that it's happening and Joey seen a lot of really contentious you know then sought to confirm rights of the Biden camp will nominate someone I know how to get the confirmation hearings we've seen associate Justice Cavanaugh had very contentious confirmation hearings was one recently that sticks out my mind these things on always go super smooth know that's a good good point Josh stated they would say they rarely go super smooth especially in today's political climate, and like you said we we try to avoid labeling justices as being either conservative or liberal or defining them on their political you know affiliation because in theory, the lease should these individuals are, you know they're there on the side of the letter of the law and date date they have no affiliation but but that the practical reality, especially to to the public eye and people who are very invested in politics is that you know they did that, how they classify these justices and that's kinda how they look adamant you get into you get into so much of this tribalism and so much of this unit which which political team you're on, and in which side of the Hollier on and it's going to be contentious man just because of that because you've got folks who were you get here and have people who are to be adamantly opposed to this individual.

Just solely based on you know who one who's appointing them and a and II think that we will see it at least an attempt to make it a very contentious process will hear you present, Biden has has a lot of options you know you get a point. Again, they have identified. Again, they their their intent is to nominate an African-American female I was to be the first African-American female on the US Supreme Court said they have made that there their goal and a and I'm they have. There's been a lot of names burned out there considering we don't have an official list or anything like that but, looked at a lot of the a lot of the African-American females on the unit federal appellate courts and things like that and so will have a choice between you someone who's very liberal sort were we got a Democratic president, replacing our nominating replacement on the Supreme Court for someone in the liberal wing so it's you I think the big discussion will be to see nominate someone is more moderate.

You know I was will be liberal but more moderate or more progressive is nothing that will be the biggest thing of course, this will change the balance of the court right away because will be replacing a a liberal justice with a a liberal or democratic justice. So we don't have that waiting in where were enough to change the makeup of the courts will still be as you'll hear some folks that conservative majority on the court will be very interesting anytime someone is nominated for the Supreme Court, get to hear you know the Senate confirm its it's always interesting. They were not contentious until recently. Usually the they went kinda smooth. I think historically there's a couple examples where folks didn't get confirmed and things like that but generally not too much but you know Joe I got curious. I didn't really know what a Supreme Court justice makes that's I looked at it suffered as a good good paycheck right you so Supreme Court associate Justice as of 2020 made $265,600 a year which is a fine salary. Nothing to complain about when you're making over 250 grand. But honestly, I thought it would be more that I was surprised that that was the because this exercise you get right if you're the judge a justice. That's the pit is nearly every exit. That's the tiptop that's the tiptop, so there's no there's no you know going up somewhere else and making a cool half-million. You know that's Lotta Lotta ancillary benefits the attached to that and then the opportunities once you are you are out of that poster probably endless.

Which of course you know Breyer is going to be easy to be living off of his family's ice cream money is what I assume so that I soon say I research and of that, but I assume that is a lucrative family is not you got a note here, Josh and I want to read it out because that you do your your preparation for the show is impeccable. I think I did not understand before you read that no Joseph Francis okay okay I so I research and also I know what you read it but I'm in a preface I was searching for. I was searching for that salary now singlehood is the highest-paid judge. You know, assuming you'd be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, which he does make more money not substantially more alike, who is the highest-paid judge in the US who is it that's where this comes from taxes that Marie does note, verbatim, and again, I commend your preparation second to none up at all hours of the night, plug in a way to get get us ready for the show and it says simply judge Judy makes $47 million and then there's a and then it says this makes Josh very sad. $47 million a year judge Judy. I don't know about the sharing of that show stoma air syndicate analysis. She's gotta be cleaning up you know she's been doing that since 1996. She's in an Emmy award-winning individual just kill that man she's she's been around forever.

She's ageless to Otto.

She looks the same.

Now she did a 96 at least. Maybe it's just the last them actually saw her was like 98 and so that's why think that but Joe, it sounds like you have a thing for Judge Judy is a habit I think that's I think it's a stretch.

It's a little unfair to say she's not even my favorite TV judge, Judge, Judge Mathis guy or or a judge Joe Brown guy think I'll take you one of those, over judge Judy, but I'd like you get knocker hustle right now you know GABA if some of the $47 million and do something you you want and you're the smart one you figured it out yet I cannot look at these top courtroom reality TV shows. There's one I totally forgot about that was I ran from 98 to 2001, Judge Mills Lane humor that one yeah the box in boxing boxing. She was and how much he made it it it it was canceled after three seasons. I can imagine he was.

It wasn't $47 million cumulative. I wonder what the inflation adjusted numbers are for Wapner back in the day, you now wonder what went down yeah: I don't not on this list either by accident number two on this list gives me his number two on this list. So they came out with an you say doesn't have a figure there will anyway. $47 million.

You know, that's a lot of money.

Good for her, but it still made me sad that the chief gently thing the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court was around 275 to 80 yet again great salary can't hard to complain about that salary but as the number one top judge in all of the US your door. I don't know. I know I don't know what percentage is it the but as a percentage of what judge Judy's Reagan and what is low correct. The wires Josh Whitaker and SchellHamer Whitaker Hamel offers where you can find them during the week. They are the managing partners there. They are pricing attorneys here in the great state of North Carolina. They have 46 combined years experience between the two of them again.

Offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia. If you have a legal question of your own you get in touch with the firm, call 800-659-1186 at 800-659-1186 leave your contact information. Really what the call is about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be in touch with you can also email the program questions and the outlaw will use those questions answer this question for you and future programs.

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We have a lot of fun. I'm usually the referee on Morgan Patrick by the way consumer advocate if you got your own legal question you can call us at 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 and leave your contact information briefly what that call was about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be in touch with you can also email the program will answer those questions on a future program and visit the website, the outlaw, outlaw John Warren having a hard time getting passes $47 million, a judge Judy makes if using only $7 million a year like what's in alike if you like a normal guy you make a normal salary UID debtor has been 50 bucks on dinner. That's like and maybe a normal amount of money by owner feeling $47 million a year with a normal amount of money to spend like what's a what's that if you make 40 something dollars a year.

What amount of money do you have to spin words like a big purchase.

That's what I'm trying to figure what can you even what can you even buy that's gonna cost that much money. Super yacht soup were yes to me how many super yachts. Can you buy will not only do you buy a super yeah you have to staff a super yacht that this is true healing. You know, you don't have to.

You don't have to and I wanted put this into perspective, to say you have to buy a super yeah you know there's boats that are not super yachts that are far from super yachts that require staff are you guys you get on the rightful and just walk around dockside area and there million two million-dollar boats, and that's damning that you can throw a rock and had a bunch of those boats get get way up there when you get up and that one to $2 million dollar range. That's generally where your you're not driving that yourself. I just I can imagine that level of comfort where your wealth that made 47 million Michelle destroyed.

On the other 47 million I made last year and unlike what what was a big purchase for you know like 5 million. Is that something you now like a normal person nearby house. You put your down payment annually mass as a lot of my ass by the most money I ever spent. At one time.

You know and you know teachers buying bigger versions of the same things normal people would buy write bigger boats, bigger houses, 10 car garage go to Barrett Jackson. You spend whatever you want down anyway. Must be nice for Judge Judy.

What a life she must live in a what a lie day when they will get outlaw lawyer its own judge.

That's where we need to take this. I like it clear announcer all beer announcer. Now you open so that another work out just fine is a good this is a great segue because you ask what judge Judy could spend an unreasonable amount for $47 million a year on and the answer. That is, she could become a degenerate gambler and spend the vast majority of her money and that segues perfectly into our sports betting discussion. You know this is something I've been watching you know there's a there's a bill that Northcote house. I believe if I if I remember correctly is already past it, it's gonna come through the Senate. I think most people who pay attention. This kind of thing think it's got a good chance of making it through and so the thought is here in 2022. We may finally have legal sports betting and in the state and and that's to me.

I'm a big I'm a libertarian but I think an approach a lot of things like things that we don't need to make things a legalist and Leslie really need to be a legal unity can't I'm not a big fan just yet all these laws and all different kinds of things illegal. I'm all for things being legalized were all adults you know and and sports betting is one that I just never figured out. I remember I grew up in the in the 80s, big product of 80 sitcoms in every 80 sitcom has the episode where somebody in the family was addicted to sports betting and everything was going wrong form and going downhill and yet they end up coming back to sports betting is always been a big no-no back in the day the course now we look at it. Joe's generation is a little bit younger than me and for they probably look at a completely different for me was like big time is is that there murder right sports betting evilly and this is not the way it is. Come on now really sports betting up there with murder on Josh Leman exaggerating a little. I points you a couple episodes in my court and cheers that they had to do with sports betting that must've planted that seed to me, not in a stanza/yeah, I get your point and I'm not too younger not to remember. Like how sports betting was really demonized and you know it is it. It's changed a lot, and it's gonna continue to change, just just with the prevalence of these online sports books you you you will see an advertisement on any professional sporting event that you watch her to see a couple advertisements for you know draft keying or for any for some kind of online sports book how much money is how much money is Caesar's dropping.

I mean their ads are everywhere times you have been MGM. It's getting bigger because it is what you know with the prevalence, the increased prevalence of it. You can have more states were you can do the online you can solicit right now just to give anyone I don't know how much exhaustive research you guys have done I have done some research on on our behalf's on sports gambling head you know it's it's it's blocked by geography now so you know you login to your computer device to your phone, you trample up one of the sites and it's can it make you track location so they can see where you're at and shut it down geographically, but the sites are out there and they're making a ton of money and the thing is you know it's some people can say this is in a very good argument for anything being tipped to be legalized, but people are to be able to to bet if they want to. There's offshore books that people can use unit with with the rise of crypto currency lot of folks are using that crypto currency because is more difficult to track and their depositing into these offshore books and their betting just like they will win its legal that the difference is there's there's no revenue being generated for the state as a result of that and there's there's no regulation for that as well, me, you can say it's illegal, but there's it just seems like that the there's a lot of potential pros. To that legalization. So, so far as you know you can you can regulate it you can you can educate about it.

You can generate some revenue off of it and innocent people could say that's a poor argument but I don't think it's a bad argument. I don't know is the state. I don't know how you you okay a state lottery and and and get it going in and you know it funds education what I you you say that's okay and then you outlaw are you continue to keep sports betting illegal. You know I just I don't get the picking and choosing what devices better than than another vice, but it will have a how can you even say one vice is better than another. Both gambling like yeah you are you sports betting is at least a higher level of gambling is way more fun if not random way more funded than buying a lottery ticket man I married her skill involved. We talked about this a time or two but I'm I'm born and raised here in Raleigh and I married into New York as my in-laws are all New Yorkers and and up there. You know the waters around forever.

Everybody just get some lottery tickets armor we first got the lottery like I couldn't figure out how to buy for scratch.

Also, we just had like the regular picture numbers I can figure how to do it by but the Scantron she confused me felt like the dumbest guy ever live nothing. I've only played the lottery like two or three times will you know it is funny you mentioned New York in the lottery because that's that's sports betting recently legalized in in New York and you know they got all these online books that have that of come in. I was very recently but it I think it's safe to say it's becoming more prevalent and you know there are. Don't get me wrong, there's dangers there's there's absolutely dangerous to it. You know it it it can be addictive. It can be something that's that's greatly damaging to individuals and again you can you can make the argument that that those folks who were going to be addicted and are going to have a problem with her to find a way to do it anyways because it's not that difficult for me to do, but in the counterargument to that, you know, we like to present both sides here and in the counterargument to that is, will the fact that it's legalized is going to attract new individuals who otherwise may have steered clear of it and potentially get some folks that otherwise would have never experienced that addicted to it, but I am but I with you Josh, I'm of the opinion that you know you give folks a choice to engage in these activities you trust that they know some people will have issues with it, but there's a lot of people who will use it responsibly and there. There are some some good. There's a lot of good that can come from and I think he almost made the strongest argument for it is, how can you justify having a state sanctioned lottery and say that this is something that should be permitted. It makes no sense to me what I just always argue. You know why why what what what is the state protecting by keeping something like bad illegal Bob keep it on the books, in theory, you gotta prosecute it when we all we all have March madness pools and that's betting I mean my sweetie 520 bucks three NFL time you do knockout pools at the office. Ms. all sports betting fantasy football me you throw money in that community is saying man is almost ridiculous that it's 2022 and that's technically and again no one gets arrested for that we all you know it's a legal but no one. The cops don't come break down the door. Your office and arrest everybody to put $20 in office pool but still why bother. I think maybe is were we got even get out of North Carolina being in the Bible Belt we we got a lot of blue laws that I disagree with yellow walls that I'd like why bother with what legitimate government purpose. Are we, you know, I don't know how I would wonder. I never I don't practice criminal law with criminal law attorneys here at Whitaker name or what. I've never seen my prosecute for sports betting, but I'm sure people have been right back in the day before the Internet. We had like the neighborhood bookie lay down is that this kind thing to seem so ridiculous to me. And then when I don't talk about it today. We should one time we should talk about at some point, but the states that have adopted you decriminalizing possession of certain amounts of marijuana. That's kind of the same thing.

You know what point are we okay with adults being adults, and we don't know make everything illegal in just make a practical point and I think we I think were coming up against the break and then we can come back and get into the actual nuances of of this law and what it's going to permit and what it's not in a permit but you mentioned these you mentioned you have a lot of people do a March madness bracket and people greatly enjoy that right you not something that people greatly enjoy.

I can tell you from from experience from inner traveling to to Las Vegas and some of these places were sports betting is legal during the time that March madness is going on. You note sports betting on March madness on that first weekend, to say it's 36 to 37,000 times more fun than just when a March madness bracket like there really are a quartz fan.

I think it's an incredibly mean if there's nothing like it man, I was in Vegas, along say it's been a while, but I've not been to Vegas was, as I did as I was in Vegas I just sent a sports book for that first week in and yeah I don't know that that's about the most fun I've ever had in Vegas doing doing anything was just a sports but watching every game possible in NASA sports fans and sports men in general. You know it. If you get into the sports betting you. You can have a vested interest in anything any in any sports and women's basketball and table tennis like you can make watching a sport that you would never watch it can make it so much more fun or so money were not willing to limit on how it goes. You say table tennis. You can bet on table you can metal table tennis. You can bet on darts. You can bet on Hong Kong, you can bet on ping-pong there is.

There is a either look at there's like Chinese ping-pong leagues that are extremely serious and not only can you bet on ping-pong you got people who have entire websites dedicated to the analysis of ping-pong players like making pics based on this guy because he played T8's got cracker yesterday my money a cracker my money is on Forrest Gump. Every little time and most limber wrists in Southeast Asia. All right, well, we've got more discussion coming up your listing to the outlaw. Why is Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer of Whitaker and Hamer law firm of the managing partners they are practicing attorneys here in North Carolina they have 46 combined years experience in offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia. If you have a question from the legal side, you need an answer for.

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The one of the things that seem most attractive to me is that the bill as it exists now.

I can always be changed or revised.

But as it exists now, who would permit sports books at venues that have proteins that would in theory, PNC, the hurricanes, so there is a champions club.

I imagine I could just turn that into a sports book. How awesome is that man I tell you would be it would be really super awesome. And in my opinion. Again, it depends on where you fall on gambling and if you enjoy it or if you think it's the devil you know a lot of you probably think that's a terrible thing but yes it as a sports fan.

As someone who really enjoy sports and and and it sees no issue with sports gambling know that that would be fantastic man and the energy leaders at there's an energy level with these. The sports books man, there's like a camaraderie among the people there it's really it's really a unique thing that you you can experience unless you're there and you're invested in it but man to be very cool when you mention PNC, it looks like it in its current format. The bills are basically what the bill does it does a few things and and interestingly enough, you will I think a lot of people are optimistic about it because in the past Roy Cooper are our governor here in North Carolina has expressed some vocal support for sports betting, so I think again there's a lot of optimism around this kind of taking place at some point and and passing, but what the bills going to do is is it's it's going to allow sports wagering operators to accept wagers in the state there's gonna be licensing there there to be an extremely expensive licensing to there's gonna be re-up renewable fees that are to be due as well. And like you said it's a permit sports books within 1/2 mile of certain facilities and so the facilities that would qualify that they stated thus far. It's PNC. It's the spectrum center in Charlotte, you got Bank of America Stadium as well in Charlotte. Charlotte motor Speedway and then Quail Hollow club. Those are those are the ones that have been stated as the places where these would take place.

What's what Quill hollers that golf what is that sounds golf you the grief really yeah yeah yeah yeah so some major yes Quail Hollow. That's a good thing that we have been I is what is it so the big thing. More so than the sports books is cool right like that's that's we agree that would be a cool thing Josh and I personally at least. But but opening up the online betting is really you know that that it seemed to me as the bigger thing because the prevalence of online betting the providers that have come out the amounts of just the sheer volume of revenue that could potentially be generated from from those things alone.

It's gotta be substantial. Man, it's gotta be absolutely substantial and people are doing it.

People are doing it now.

Here, the folks who want to do it or doing it without issue with these offshore books that are no potentially unreliable. They could be scams that you know there's there's a lot of lack of regulation that goes into that that that that makes that it makes it a little more dangerous a little less safe than what it potentially would be with this legislation passed I get a sports book parts that yeah I mean all lines to me like you said everybody's can be like that North Carolina was a North Carolina education lottery, education, sports book patient why you why you gamble on your sports.

I tell you what I feel so much better.

It went on gambling and losing my money if I knew that money was going to a bright eyed fourth-grader to support their the books that they're reading in the classroom that would make me it would warm my heart. I got I got this is is is a dumb question but goes back to her $47 million discussion for Judge Judy walks into the new sports book at PNC arena. What you think her bed is more than you like to make a five dollar bet on the game just for the heck of it, you know her 20 is dropping judges Judy drop in 100 grand hundred euros financial drop in 100 grand.

No sweat on on something irrelevant like that on. Unlike the first team to score 10 point had a private at the Super Bowl who wins the coin flip.

What is it has yet to that's judge you you right there because I don't Judge Judy doesn't strike me as the type that that's done her research on on the teams and she's probably picking like which animal she likes the best. That's the mass is not yet yeah she's like she's like I like a can the cougars cool name. I'm kind of myself hundred grand on the cougars to score an odd number of points in the third quarter. That's that's what I'm I'm guessing Judge Judy.Joe. You're scaring me you called her a cougar did. I'm just saying that you don't get it twisted sheet that her own perception of her.

So that's what that's where I'm going with okay she keeps he keeps pretty don't ever hear budget. He got the shower right she never now she has. She lives in a university that she's never on the kids to watch MTV cribs anything that happens is that while I think that I thing that's happened I think for a long time now to law. I never said I never saw her on MTV cribs earnings on the house she's living will. There's not a lot across so there's not a lot of chance Judy crossover appeal. Folks who are watching MTV cribs later. Don't pimp my ride. We're pretty sure she's not in the winter up right now she has it. We all age night and it looks like she has understandably aged a little since since 96 when I last remember seeing her.

I still think just as a general rule, the legalization making things not a legal adult have to be me certain things have to be a leader should be illegal for someone to stab me for no reason that I should be awake as a society we should first mean specifically but is generally you that coming should be always Josh will we get down to these little like what difference does it make to me.

If Joe is a degenerate sports gambler. I mean I don't I don't think that should be illegal.that he was concerned as a friend but yeah sure yet if he did know me and he can, you know it, but tend to agree with you man and I know that there's a public interest in unit we have we have an interest in the end it in the general welfare of the public in general health and not allowing certain things to happen and you know there is a line somewhere.

There's definitely a line somewhere. But this is it. It's it's difficult when you're talking about. You notice things like like sports gambling, for instance, where the technology that's available now. The prevalence but you know it's one of those things that is going to be very difficult to regulate otherwise and that people are going to do it and you know that's not the best argument because you you don't want to say that same thing in it are some people who would go so far as to make that argument for for heroin for methamphetamine for for very damaging drugs. You know folks you there is to a degree, you could try to make that same argument but with with sports betting. In particular, it's just so easy to do. You know it's just so very, very easy to do and so very difficult to track, enter into, regulate, so getting some benefit and and and gaining some control over it. I think does more good than than it does harm. I think the word you said there that is probably the one that everybody's think about is control and how you bring it in and how you control it, so that's good. That's convention discussion got when you take a break and come back will wrap up the program for the outlaw liars Josh Whitaker and Joe Haber managing partners at Whitaker and Hamer law firm they are practicing attorneys here in North Carolina and again offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsborough few quavering and ghastly if you got your own legal question.

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They are the pricing attorneys managing partners at the firm and pricing attorneys here in North Carolina go short segment for you to wrap this program up guys take away more you do the job, reminding folks, but always like to really illustrate this point. Me and Joe we we do the show. We have a lot of fun on the show we like to talk about legal news in general but me and Joe, we are practicing attorneys over the managing partners of the law firm of Whitaker neighbor and our attorneys practice a lot of different practice areas so we always like to remind folks that we're attorneys that you can hire that you can retain that you can consult with your personal legal issues and so you hear us here on on the radio and and you know where tribe gives give you some of our personalities. You know that were not. I think some people have, you know misconceptions about attorneys and attorneys and/or lawyers and how they are to interact with and I know a lot of attorneys a lot of law, you normal folks and in it we can we can help you if you have an issue and I hope you know I would just listen to us because you you believe were entertaining. We try to be entertaining. I we enjoy this time, but if you do have a legal issue you have something going on. You got a real estate purchase coming up yet you know you got an employment contract you need to review. You got some child custody type issues that have come up you been Susie had a creditor bothering you, you know, we are lawyers in our law firm is active in North Carolina like Morgan says we maintain offices in Raleigh, Garner, Clayton, Gastonia, Fuquay Marina Goldsborough and Joe what was her newest office, so are our very newest newest office. We are here in the process of getting it up and running and that is good to be our 4042 office so again we we refer to this area as the 4042 area it's it's where you know and see 42 NNC 40 they they intersect just outside of Clayton. I think it's I think there's it's technically Garner is what it's referred to. If you're looking for, that the city name, but I don't really think of it like Garner personally but that's our newest spot and were very excited.

You know, it gives us gives us another another location to to service folks in and around the Clayton Garner area. You know it's a little bit of a trek out there for some folks are tricked to our Clayton or Garner office from that area so it just opens up another spot at some convenience and note it it it accomplishes further accomplishes our goal of having an office literally everywhere you look for some supposed call it the Cleveland area, some 80 4042, Holly, 40, 42, but it's a boy's eyes a little bit Garner politically got mixed up in a blender and bam, 40, 42, but we have a lot of clients on that area. We had a lot of folks asking us to put an office there and so were really excited about that boat but we do again and then Morgan has her information and and will give you the number here when we are wearing the show, but always doing remind you will practicing work on attorneys you have a legal matter in South Carolina we can help with your legal matter. Virginia's SC were not the attorneys for you. We are only licensed to practice in North Carolina where North Carolina but attorneys really focused on the North Carolina market but lots of experience in a lot of different areas like for Joe say before if we can help you and you got a specialized legal problem and we can usually refer you out to someone who has that that knowledge, but for most of for most folks the legal problems you encounter in your normal life. The law firm of Whitaker neighbor, car accidents, things like that.

We can we can help you get through that we can we can help you with that would be glad to do it in the first don't forget rental and 47 million a year. Good but the firm is is a good established firm. We take a lot of pride in the communities that were in participating in chambers and and again is where attorneys list rights. We practice and live in the communities that were in July. I have one favor to ask of you in your mind. I know you guys were very very hard and you guys are spread out between the different offices. How often do the two of you guys see each other get to sit down and you know maybe break bread or you just have conversations about the firmament guess each other on a weekly basis would would you say that we should we should do that and see where we are currently at eight a biweekly rate that we would be my guess. Inside, and sometimes more than others. We got that we get the PNC thing that helps us a lot and that we we got schedule B is, of course, but you know it's it's tough man were very fortunate to be very busy. Yeah so this is honestly week. This is the most we talk normally we do the show. I just have a favor and this is something that it's it's personal for me.

I think a lot of our listeners would like to know. Ashley Josh has a huge hang out with Judge Judy.

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