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You need to feel that your best work is coming, not behind you. So I was working on the story and the phone rang and it was an executive from Warner Brothers, friend of mine, who said, listen, we didn't know about Braveheart and we wish we had. And we would love to fly you to Hawaii to meet Kevin Costner and talk about ideas with Kevin Costner.
Would you be willing to do that? And like, yeah, I would. And they made reservations for me and I went to a bookstore to pick up something to read on the flight and came across the cover of We Were Soldiers Once and Young. It showed a young lieutenant whose name was Rick Rescorla, who ended up an incredible hero in his own right, not only in Vietnam, but also at the World Trade Center, where he lost his life going back up into the World Trade Center to make sure that all of his people had gotten out safely. And I read the book, I came across the statement in the prologue, Hollywood has gotten the story of the Vietnam veteran wrong every damn time, putting the knives of twisted politics on the bones of our dead brothers. And I knew from that moment, I was into this story.
But it was the part of the story and the combat scenes were, of course, incredible. But there was the story of a woman named Barbara Gagan, whose husband was a young lieutenant who died going out onto the battlefield to carry a wounded soldier off. Do you know the most common thing an American soldier says when he's dying on the battlefield? Tell my wife.
I love her. And Hal had gone to visit her. And he asked if he could go to pray at her husband's grave. He was buried not at Arlington, but a family plot. Jack Gagan was Catholic. And Barbara wrote so movingly of letting Hal go out. She stayed back in the car because she wanted Hal to have his moment at Jack's grave and that she saw his shoulders shake as he wept. And that kind of love and devotion for his men, I recognized to be unique and extraordinary.
And then as I got to know his wife, and to find that her courage was at least the equal of his, I was profoundly moved. But when I read the book, I called my agent and said, somebody must own the movie rights to this. You tell them that I want to throw my hat in the ring.
I would love to write the adaptation of this book. My agent called back a couple of days later and said, these guys won't sell the screen rights. They believe that Hollywood would mangle their story and would treat them like they were baby killers and they won't do it. A responsibility to do honor and tribute to the guys that were there.
Yeah, slightly intimidating. In fact, they complained about it in the book, how Hollywood always screws it up. And it's interesting, the indictment was, if I can be specific, wetting their twisted political knives on the bones of our dead brothers so that it becomes very personal. And that's the aspect from which I think we approached the film was a very personal one. I can't promise you that I will bring you all home alive, but this, I swear before you and before almighty God, that when we go into battle, I will be the first to set foot on the field and I'll be the last to step off and I will leave no one behind.
So help me God. And so I got their address and I wrote to them and said, I'm going to send you a screenplay. It's called Braveheart. It's being made. You haven't seen it yet. No one's seen it yet.
It's not finished, but the screenplay is and read that. If you like it, call me. If you don't, then sorry, I've wasted your time. So they read it and they called me. I said, Mr. Wallace, I don't know you. So I have a question for you. And he said, what's your question? And I said, do you believe in heroes? And he said, I do. And they said, okay, what do you want to do? And I said, I can go to a studio and get them to buy the movie rights, but no matter what they tell you, if they buy your movie rights, they will control everything that happens to that story.
If you let me buy it, I'll pay you my own money and I'll make you a deal that it's less upfront because I have limited money, but I'll make you a deal that you'll make more money in success than you would have made with them. And if you don't like what I do, you'll know who to come shoot. And they went, deal. And Randall is the only director in Hollywood who could have done it and done it right. So that's, that's how that came about. And Hal, Hal became one of the mentors in my life. He, he taught me leadership, leadership that I use every day of my life now. This movie shows the American soldier as he should be shown, not as a doper, not as a guy playing Russian roulette in Saigon, shows, shows the American soldier as he really was in Vietnam. And a terrific job on the production and editing by our own Greg Hengler and a special thanks to Randall Wallace for sharing the story of We Were Soldiers.
And it is indeed true that the movie We Were Soldiers, a Hollywood film, finally got the story of the Vietnam War right. The story of We Were Soldiers and how it was made here on Our American Stories. This is Lee Habib, host of Our American Stories. Every day, we set out to tell the stories of Americans past and present, from small towns to big cities, and from all walks of life, doing extraordinary things. But we truly can't do this show without you. Our show is about you. Our shows are free to listen to, but they're not free to make. If you love what you hear, go to OurAmericanStories.com and make a donation to keep the stories coming.
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