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Take it away, Rich. I was a civilian police officer long before I ever went into the military. So when I was assigned to the Ansbach military community, it was a little bit of a letdown. It was a very quiet place to work. Now, I worked Fort Riley, Kansas, which could rock and roll. I definitely worked the civilian streets of Antietam, Colorado, and Alamosa, Colorado, which could definitely rock and roll. But Ansbach was pretty quiet. Until that one night, the message came across the radio saying, we have a soldier with a knife at the Shipton Concern.
This is where they housed the air defense companies, the guys that did the Patriots and the Vulcans and stuff like that. So we went out there. I was the first one to roll up to the gate, and the gate guard was, shall we say, he was out there.
He was scared. And he's gesturing with his finger pointing away. He says, he's over there. He's over there. He's over there in that parking lot over there.
So I waved, went through. I saw something I'd never expected to see. Here's a soldier. He's stripped to the waist. He's got a knife in one hand. His arms are bloody, and he has just demolished a Ford F-150 pickup with his bare hands in that knife.
The tires are flat. The windows are broke out, and the thing looks like it's gone through a major hellstorm. Well, I stepped out, had my hand on the butt of my gun. I said, hey, look, you know, put the knife down.
Let's make nice. And he told me, go ahead and shoot him. And my first instinct was, OK, that's not going to work. So I automatically removed my hand from my gun.
Not that it would have done me much good. In 1st Armored Division, we were not allowed to carry a magazine in our weapon, much less have a bullet in it. And anyone that knows anything about the Colt 1911 knows that it takes a little while to load one of these guys. You got to get the magazine out, got to put it in, got to pull back on the slide, then you're ready to rock and roll. We're talking anywhere from three to five seconds.
You can be very dead by that time. So I'm trying to talk him down. Now, this is getting some attention. Everybody's coming out of the barracks, you know, to see what's going on. They're yelling at him and stuff like that. And to be honest with you, some of them were egging him on. I'm trying to talk this guy down.
And none of us working. I asked him what had happened, and he said, he's gave me this story about how his wife had left him and that she'd taken the kids and said that he was never going to see her or them again. Later on, I found out this was probably the tip of the iceberg. What had happened was this soldier had got what we call a bad EER, Illicit Evaluation Report. And this is something that's given to noncommissioned officers, you know, sergeant and better.
What this does, it says basically in a nutshell, if you're worth keeping around. Well, rather than go through channels trying to repeal this EER, what he had done was he'd gone after the E7 who had given it to him. Well, the E7 ran for his room, locked the door behind him.
And since it was a metal door and he couldn't knock it down, he went out and took it on the guy's pickup. And that's where we came into the story. So I'm still trying to talk him down.
And I'm slowly trying to inch my way towards him a little bit. And I don't know how long the standoff happened. I mean, it was, it felt like it was hours. It was probably just about maybe four or five minutes, but all this time he's yelling at us and saying, you know, just shoot me. You know, I'm, I'm living in hell here, you know, just shoot me. Let me, let me die. I had no intentions of killing this man.
Absolutely none. And I'm, I'm racing through my brain, trying to figure out a way I can find to diffuse the situation. I mean, there had to be a way and I'm not finding it. Finally, I got my chance. Apparently he decided he wasn't going to get out of this. He put the knife to his chest, looked at this guy and said, forgive me, Jesus, and started to drop on him. I sacked him like I was a football player, snacking a quarterback. I hit him as hard as I could. Well, I knocked the knife out of his hands. Later found out I broke his hand doing it, but now I'm trying to keep this guy from continuing to hurt him. I got him under control. He's trying to pound his head into the concrete.
I mean, he's completely out of control. So I'm trying a couple of different things. I'm trying to keep him from hurting himself. I put my hand under his head.
So when he tried to pound, he'd be hitting my hand to give him some cushioning, but also I'm trying to keep him from doing that. And finally, after another eternity of sitting on this guy and he's just screaming for us to kill him and stuff like that, the EMT showed up. Okay. We got the guy under control, got him in custody.
I go to the PMO to try to write the report on this. I was so shook. I did not know what to do. I pulled out the forms. I sat down at the desk. I got my pen and I couldn't even write my name on it.
Finally, after about two or three tries of this, I went in and I went in and talked to the police liaison officer. Well, I knew she smoked. I was a non-smoker and I bumped two smokes from her and I went upstairs and I went to bed. Only I couldn't go to sleep. So I got up and I read a little bit.
Nah, that didn't work. Finally, somewhere around 10 o'clock in the morning, I figured if I was going to the gym and I'd work off some of this nervous energy, maybe I could go to sleep. Still couldn't sleep. And so I got up, got dressed, grabbed my camera, and I went downtown to take pictures of Ansbach. And eventually I wound up at Main Post. That's where the Provost Marshal's office was. And I talked to the gate guards a little bit. Then I went on in and I was walking around taking pictures. When out of the Provost Marshal's office comes the Colonel and Sergeant First Class Carter.
And she informs me that they're putting me, Patton, and Deets in for medals for the way we handled this thing. And I thought that was pretty cool. And I went and had a hamburger and I couldn't eat it. And I felt like I knew I had to sleep but I just couldn't do it.
I mean, it was gone. And I think it was sheer exhaustion that finally caused me to collapse. And I managed to go to sleep. And I dreamt about it all night long. And I got up the next morning and I kept thinking about it. And I dream about it more. And then finally one day I started having little flashbacks on the incident.
By this time I'd gotten out of the military and I was a civilian police officer once again. And we had an incident and all of a sudden right smack in the middle of it I had this. And I realized at that point I needed a lot of help. But the problem was I didn't know what to do about it.
Here's the funny part about it too. I found I was beginning to block people out of my life. I was going with this beautiful woman by the name of Julie who eventually became my wife. Now, Julie, she's a counselor. She works with abused children and abused wives.
And she can pretty much look at somebody and read their mail for you. And she knew something was going on with me that I wasn't talking about. And I had to talk about it. But I wasn't doing it. I was pushing everybody away. That's a big symptom of what we call post-traumatic stress disorder.
I refused to acknowledge I had it. So one day I was at her house and she lived in a home built in 1877 and used a wood stove to heat the house during the winter time. So I'm outside chopping wood for her when she came out. And we sat down and we talked. And she said something's going on with you.
You need to talk to somebody about this. And I said well aren't you a counselor? She said yes I am. Well can't I talk to you about it? She says no you can't.
Well why not? I'm in a relationship with you. And that meant I had to go someplace else. And I went to get help. I had a full-blown crisis going on that one. I mean I couldn't concentrate.
I couldn't do anything. And it was the grace of God that I managed to pull my life back together and start doing this. And it involved a lot of work. I talked to a counselor at San Luis Valley Mental Health by the name of Joseph. I thank God in heaven for Joseph.
Joseph from all I understand had been a SEAL team medic. He may not have walked exactly a mile in my boots but by God he knew what color they were. And he knew how a soldier and a police officer thinks. And he helped guide me through it and showed that I did the very best I could do with it. I didn't have things like mace. I didn't have I didn't have tasers.
The only weapons I had was a gun with no bullets in it and a nightstick which I did not intend to use because I wanted to de-escalate the situation instead of make it worse. And slowly with his help I got past it. And if you're suffering from any kind of post-traumatic stress disorder my advice to you is get help. The way you recognize post-traumatic disorder, just look at my situation. Constantly thinking about the event.
Dreaming about it is a good one. Having problems sleeping because of it. Loss of appetite.
Loss of the abilities to function. I mean I've gone from a hard-charging soldier to someone who is actually afraid of their own shadow at times. I mean to go on duty caused me some really severe stress.
This is the kind of stuff you need to look at. And the thing is it's not only soldiers or police officers or first responders that get this. It's anybody. It could be a housewife in an abusive situation. It could be a child in an abusive situation. You could be a police officer. You could be in an accident.
Say a car accident or a train accident or an aircraft accident. If you find yourself doing this, get some help by all means. Contact your local mental health. Contact your minister.
Get some help on this. Now a lot of people won't do this for one simple reason. There is a stigma associated with mental health issues.
My own people when I sit into counseling they sit there and say don't you dare do it because you will never get a decent job again. They will label you as crazy and that'll be the end of it. And I told myself I got news for you.
I'm already there. Get it behind you. Deal with it.
It'll never ever really go away but you will learn to live with it. And with God's help and the help of those around you, you'll become a fully functional human being again. And a terrific job in the production and editing by our own Monty Montgomery and a special thanks to Richard Muniz. We love our listeners' stories.
Richard Muniz sharing the story of a dangerous incident that shaped his career in law enforcement and the aftermath here on Our American Stories. Hi, icons. It's Paris Hilton. Check out my new single Chasin' featuring Meghan Trainor.
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