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Take it away, Jack. We were getting ready to go to a funeral. One of our officers had lost his father in the funeral was that day, and we usually try to make those funerals for the family. And so we were getting ready, and we heard this. We didn't know what it was.
An explosion. Eight and a half miles away, it shook our house. And I thought something happened in the back of the house.
She thought something happened in the kitchen where I was. So we kind of ran in the middle of the house. It wasn't a house.
House is okay. What in the world was that? Well, my first thought was it's an airplane crash. So I went out, turned my radio on, police radio on, and then discovered what had happened.
I was downtown within 15 minutes, 20 at the most. And I could see the smoke coming up, but you don't know. First thing I thought is a boiler might have exploded.
You don't think about a bomb. So I turned up to go to the federal building, and at least five blocks around that building, all the glasses out. Cars had just crumbled. I couldn't believe it. That building, a third of it's gone. Our guys from Vietnam, when they came out and smelled ammonia nitrate, they knew it was a bomb. We were going to have a lot of fatalities. We might have lost some officers. So I started looking for an officer that walks a beat down around the federal building.
It's probably an hour or so later before I ran into him, and I walked up to him and he grabbed me. They don't normally do that. They're standoffish. That kind of surprised me. He said, you know, I have two children in the nursery. My knees just almost buckle. And he said, well, they got up this morning, and they didn't feel good, and Mama kept them at home. And I said, thank you, Lord.
I said, what about yourself? He says, well, I have coffee in this building at 9 o'clock every day. And he said, I got up to go to work this morning, and the kids had the car last night, and when I started to work, they'd run all the gas out of it.
And I had to stop and get gas. And I said, I'm glad you're okay. But I knew a lot of people weren't going to be okay. Secret Service lost six people that day. They lost four agents and two support people, and Mickey was one of them.
I got acquainted with them because they were having issues, and one of our lieutenants said, would you go visit Mickey Moroney in the hospital? He's a Secret Service agent. He said, there's something wrong with him. I don't know what it is.
It doesn't look good. Would you go see him? I said, yeah, I'll go see him. And that's when I found out he was from Arkansas.
I'm from Arkansas. We talked about the resume. So we came pretty close. That was really tough. You know, I didn't cry after the bombing because you got to stay focused. We had to stay in the present. We had work to do. But I did his service, and I walked back to my car, and one of the agents came up, and we visited, and I started crying. That's the first time I cried. I just couldn't hold it back.
We just, floodgates open. So you get dressed, and you go back down, and you try to finish what you're doing. And it was kind of hard because two things happened. One, I was the state chaplain of the National Guard. So we mobilized all of our chaplains to go down and to work at the site, some of them, and some of them to work with the families. So I had to take care of that responsibility plus the responsibility of our officers who were down there. So we were kind of busy for a while.
But it brought together some people that I would have never met had not been for the bombing. There was a bonding of Oklahoma City that was, we called it the Oklahoma Standard. A friend of mine came up from Atlanta. He was sitting down in our rest area, chaplain's corner one day, and the governor shows up. They visited for a while.
He didn't know who the governor was. So he said, we came to Oklahoma City, and he said, we got here. They prepared meals for us.
The Oklahoma Restaurant Association was getting ready to have their meeting in Oklahoma City. They had all their equipment and stuff there. Those chefs just broke the stuff open, started feeding. And so we had a place at the myriad where we kept a lot of the people that came in to help us. We had cots for them. We had meals for them. There were people that cut their hair, that took their cleaning, did their cleaning.
I mean, it's just unbelievable how people pitched in. And so he told my friend, he says, reached in his pocket, and he pulled out a dollar bill, and he says, this is an Oklahoma dollar. He said, you can't spend it here. So when my friend was talking to Keating, the governor, he took one out of his pocket and told him the story, the dollar. So Keating took the dollar and wrote on an official Oklahoma dollar, Frank Keating, governor of the state of Oklahoma, and gave it to our friend. So he showed it to me, and he says, since that's an Oklahoma state dollar, you can't spend it, so you need to give it to me.
No, no, I'm taking that back. Anyway, but that's how we called the standard because our people responded, and we had no crime for about four days. If we said we needed something, truckloads came in. And when you talk about the generosity of the people, stories that never get told, on the second night, John came back again.
He was in charge of the response team that worked the perimeter to make sure everything was clear. He said, I've got to tell you this story. I said, all right, John, what is it? He says, we were down at the corner, and he says, this car pulls up and parks across the street.
We're watching. He said, these two ladies got out. It was an old car, looked like it was held together with duct tape and barbed wire.
I mean, it's an old car. But they came over to us, and they were carrying these two plastic sacks. And they said to us, officers, we understood that the kids need diapers and milk. They said, you know, we don't have a whole lot of money. And John said, you could tell he didn't have a whole lot of money. He said, we don't have a whole lot of money, but we got up early this morning, and we've been mowing lawns all day long. And the money we made for mowing lawns, we bought what we could have diapers and milk.
Could you see that the kids got this? She gave what she had. And that's what people did. They gave what they had. The spirit moved our people to do great things.
So we call that the Oklahoma Standard now, and we use that quite a bit when we're talking about responding, like we responded to New York, we talk about the Oklahoma Standard. But we learned some lessons. The first lesson I learned was the first night of the bombing, one of our lieutenants came to me, and he says, Chaplain, I have a verse for Oklahoma City. And so John, I said, okay, what's that verse? He says, it's Psalms 34 18. God is near the broken hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. John, that's pretty good, because hearts are broken and spirits are crushed. We need that verse. So we carried that verse. And you've been listening to Jack Poe, who was a chaplain for the Oklahoma City Police Department at the time of America's still worst domestic terrorism attack of all time.
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So on 9 11 we finish our Bible study and one of our participants works for the FBI and I get a call. She says, is your TV on? I'm in the office. We have a TV. It wasn't on. She said, no, go turn it on.
As I said, go turn it on. Said, a plane has flown in to the World Trade Center. So I immediately go turn on the TV. I see the first plane.
They're showing it again, coming in to one of the buildings. I'm thinking, okay, this clear sky, there's no, you know, somebody get, you know, I'm thinking a small plane. I'm not thinking of a large plane filled with a full tank of gas, but you should have when you look at it. And we see the other plane come in. And I can tell you at that time my heart broke anyway when we saw the first plane go in. But when the second plane went in, we knew what one bomb did to us, what two buildings being hit would do. There are going to be a lot of casualties, number one. Innocent people who went to work today like we did April 19th and had no idea what was going to happen at 902. And I knew we're probably going to lose some first responders.
I knew. So New York called and asked for the chaplains that worked the moral building to come to New York to help. They wanted some experience from us on how you handle it. What did we discover that worked and didn't work? We packed and we were getting ready to go.
And of course, we'd already found out that there's no planes. But there was a gentleman in Enid, Oklahoma, who had a subsidiary of their company in New Jersey. I don't know for sure what they did.
I think chemical or something. Anyway, there's four brothers that operate it now. So one of the brothers came to Enid every week. They switched off. Well, of course, he gets a call from his wife that says, you need to come home.
So he calls his pilot, get the jet, and come get him. You need to come home. Sir, I can't. I can't do it. Why can't you do it? Well, planes are grounded.
Nobody's doing anything. And he's thinking to himself, my wife says come home. So he got a hold of FAA and said, I need to get home. I understand there's some people that they're asking to come to New York from Oklahoma City. Can we make this an angel flight and get them to New York? And Federal Aviation says, we'll do that. So he paid for the plane. He paid for the other pilot.
He bought all the gas. He came to Oklahoma City, picked us up, and we flew to New York. When we landed and got on the ground, they fueled our plane. People were asking, what you doing flying? You're not supposed to be up there.
What's going on? I can imagine we had a lot, a lot of planes watching us. But anyway, that's how we got to New York on a flight. And so that started our first about 18 days at ground zero. You see television, but when you get on site, it's not the same thing. And I remember I went around there for the first time and it was dark.
All the lights are shining on it and you see all the debris that's there. And I thought to myself, man, this looks like a scene out of Hollywood. And one of the guys says, it's real.
This is not Hollywood. When we got down there and we got with Leo Flanagan, he said, are you all chaplains? We said, yes.
What can we help you with? He says, we need some chaplains over here to temporary mooring. I will tell you this, and that really surprised me. When they brought in a bucket of bones to the medical examiner who was there, he did not touch that until we prayed over him. He'd say, all right, chaplains, let's pray. So we prayed over every one of those buckets of whatever was brought in.
I think that was probably one of the toughest parts was to work at more and to see people coming by wondering if it could have identified any of their loved ones that they knew were probably dead or did we find a gun or a badge or did we find something to identify that this might have been one of our loved ones. We asked for God's help. We knew it was worse than Oklahoma City, but I think our mind as chaplains was, what are we there for? We're not there to do rescue work. Why have we showed up?
That kind of grabs at your gut. You don't know, but I can't tell you how many times officers have said to me, it's going to be okay because the chaplain's here. We bring to that situation, to that table something that nobody else can bring, hope.
It's going to be okay the chaplain's here, which means God's here. You know, we say to people there's two rules in life. Number one is bad things happen. Bad things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. And God is not a respecter of persons. The rain falls on the just and the unjust.
And rule number two is you can't change rule number one. That's life. But we can make a choice on how we're going to deal with it.
That's the key. People have a choice to make. They can be a victim or they can be a survivor. Victims focus on what they can't change. Survivors focus on what they can.
Now there's some people who like to be victims, but victims get you nowhere after a while. But when we get there, we just want to meet people where they are. Not where they hope they are, but where they are and just to be a presence.
It's a ministry of presence. And so I think that helped us was to know that if we could meet with those people, share some things that we have gone through in Oklahoma City to tell the stories of survivors, maybe they would gain hope. And some of them did. One of the gentlemen I met, I said we had this group that came up on our anniversary.
We sent a group on their anniversary and we were having dinner one evening and they were telling their stories to us. And so one of the gentlemen said, I lost my son. He called me on the phone and he says, Dad, it's awful hot in here. Said we talked for a while and he says, people are jumping out of the window. Talked a little bit more and he says, Dad, the phone's melting.
That was it. He said, you know, I'd lost my son. There's no doubt I'd lost my son. So I had two choices to make. He said, I went into my study and I got my Bible. He said I could tear it up and throw it in the trash or I could open it up and understand that God is near the brokenhearted and save those who are crushed in spirit. And I can let His Word speak to me. He says in Journeys, it's tough but I have to make that choice. I can open it up, let the Spirit speak to me, let the Spirit guide me to know that life's going on.
My son would want life to go on. We're going to grieve his loss. There's no doubt about that but it's not going to poison our future because we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. Paul said I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. That's where my strength and hope is. Not in the event that took place, not the fact that I've lost a son. My hope is in God's promise that He will walk with us to the very end.
So we make that choice, you know, and I can't make it for other people. They have to make it for themselves but I can say to them those that have chosen to be a survivor rather than a victim, though the road has been hard, are way ahead of the people that want to be a victim. So I think as chaplains we have we have that opportunity to bring hope to a hopeless world to say life isn't fair. Never has been fair but God has promised to be our journeymate. And a terrific job in the production, editing, and storytelling by our own Monty Montgomery and Katrina Hein, a contributor to Our American Stories. The story of Jack Poe, the story of a chaplain's response to tragedy in his community and others here on Our American Stories. exclusive games free daily rewards and come back to get free coins every four hours only at high five casino.com i-five casino is a social casino no purchase necessary void prohibited play responsibly terms and conditions apply see website for details at hi the number five casino.com high five casino this is malcolm glabwell from revisionist history ebay motors is here for the ride with some elbow grease fresh installs and a whole lot of love you transformed a hundred thousand miles and a body full of rust into a drive that's all your own brake kits led headlights whatever you need ebay motors has it and with ebay guaranteed fit it's guaranteed to fit your ride the first time every time or your money back plus at these prices you're burning rubber not cash keep your ride or die alive at ebaymotors.com eligible items only exclusions apply every wolf down a big mac and thought i could use some extra cash meet drop the ultimate rewards app earn free gift cards for getting your daily coffee or late night drive through effortlessly just link a card shop and watch reward stack with drop it's like getting paid to indulge download drop now and start earning use the code drop22 for five dollars in points instantly hey there it is ryan c crest with you do you want to make this summer unforgettable join me at chumba casino it's the summer's hottest online destination they are rolling out the red carpet with an amazing welcome offer just for you so don't wait dive in now and play hundreds of social casino games for free your chance to redeem real prizes is just a spin away care to join me sponsored by chumba casino no purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law 18 plus terms and conditions apply
