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EP249: The Story of My Grandfather, The Landscape Management Company Powered by Goats and I Found Out I Was Adopted at 30

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April 5, 2022 3:05 am

EP249: The Story of My Grandfather, The Landscape Management Company Powered by Goats and I Found Out I Was Adopted at 30

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April 5, 2022 3:05 am

On this episode of Our American Stories, Robert Frohlich, author of Aimless Life, Awesome God,  tells the story of his German-born grandfather William Burtner- a man who helped build the "Arsenal of Democracy" in World War II. Genevieve Church, the third "Goat Lady of San Francisco", is the executive director of City Grazing. Listen to her share about how this sustainable land management and fire prevention non-profit organization came to be. Skip Reeves tells the story of how he came to find out that he was adopted at 30 years old. 

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00:00 - The Story of My Grandfather

10:00 - The Landscape Management Company Powered by Goats

35:00 - I Found Out I Was Adopted at 30

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Robert is the author of aimless life awesome God in a regular contributor to the show today. Robert shares with us the story of a man who impacted him profoundly taken away Robert World War I Wilhelm Gessner was in the German army. His assignment was to care for the horses that pulled the cannons to fight against the Russians during the gas tracking that war Wilhelm suffered the loss of the sense of smell after the war it was awarded a small disability annuity first injury monthly payments continued until he died in Florida 1977, Wilhelm was born in 1892. The sound of a tavern owner in Berlin, Germany. He learned his trade as a tool and die maker and married Elspeth Scholz 1927.

They came by ship to America with her daughter, Ursula Wilhelm Misner became William Burton's German friends called him Willie and everybody else called him Bill when he first came to the United States. Bill worked as a mason's helper while he learned the English language than he went to work at his trade. Long Island New York was a hotbed in the early days of aviation and he saw it all. He knew many of the pioneers in that field. He workforce diversity and for Sikorsky.

The early developers of the helicopter. He also worked for Republic aircraft and chance Vought aircraft in 1933 Bill want to work for Ito aircraft in College point, New York was involved in the design and fabrication of floats for various aircraft, including some for Charles Lindbergh and Adm. Byrd. I remember he had to model airplanes proudly displayed on the mantle in his college point home. One was a solid aluminum model of Lindbergh's claim, the spirit of St. Louis and the other was a chance Vought if for you, the iconic Gold Wing Navy warplane. World War II created a huge demand for military aircraft floats as assistant division superintendent Bill headed up a fabrication shop. According to one college point residence. The higher quote every German toolmaker machinist he could find, including my father's, and as a result, put food on the table for my family on Bill put all the skills to work revamping tool designs and manufacturing processes to make the production faster and more safe. 1943 he won a national safety ace award for one of his designs.

After the war bill retired to his 100 acre retreat in the Catskill Mountains of upstate New York, living in a house he had built himself. He and Elspeth took me with them. In 1947 he had a small machine shop there and plan to do some contract work from time to time. That only lasted a year they move back to the city gave me back to my mother and Bill started work experience gyroscope of duration. The company manufactured guidance systems for ships, aircraft and missiles will always took great pride in his work, immersing himself in the tiny details of his craft, and a love the shaping of hard steel or soft aluminum into useful objects.

Once he showed me a rectangular aluminum box, about 1 1/2 inches wide by and about 2 inches long.

It had a hinged lid.

It's very Bill had designed the tool that made this box, which was an electrical junction box for the instrument panel of the Boeing 707 aircraft. He explained to me the intricacies of bending allowances in the tiny tolerances that went into this simple object. Bill retired again in 1961, but when I return home for military service in 1964. I found him working every day in a small local machine shop still making tools to shape metal to his will builds German born lawful perception in order carried over to his off-duty life he on just three cars during my lifetime off-limits 1941 in 1955 and in 1968.

They were all based models with manual transmissions and apart from a radio, no amenities.

Every Saturday bill would check under the hood reflecting on my grandfather's life. It amazes me the advances he was part of young Wilhelm taking care of horses in the muddy battlefields of World War I Bill the tool and die maker acquainted with the pioneers in aviation bill. The superintendent helping to win World War II by making water landings possible for military aircraft and bill the toolmaker seen parts, he helped create flying high in the sky and even interspace. No partner love this country and he made the most of the opportunities and gave him and he returned the favor by giving his best to America. He never lost that German lawful precision and ordinal nor did that distinctly German accent ever leave him. He was my grandpa and I loved it and what a gym we just heard, I meant what a time to have grown up I mean from horses to flight and there he is right in the middle of flight using his God-given skills to help America defeat the Nazi menace our Arsenal democracy folks we couldn't done it without it and men like Bill on the front lines. William Burton's life story is told by his grandson Robert Froehlich here in our American story view of the great American stories we tell and love America like we do for asking you to become a part of the American stories family. If you agree that America is a good and great country.

Please make a donation monthly gift of $17.76 is fast becoming a favorite option for supporters but allow American stories.com now and go to the donate button and help us keep the great American stories coming to our American stories.com and we continue with our American stories up next, you'll meet Genevieve church. Genevieve runs a very unique business in San Francisco that is city grazing city grazing is a sustainable land management organization powered by filth. Genevieve tell us about how the business came to be, and also the history of goats in San Francisco, beginning with Estelle West. The first goat lady parents in San Francisco have a long history of raising doubts in San Francisco. There is a long history. Estelle West was raising doubts and now she was at a time when having livestock for meat for milk was relatively common still in the Bay Area. She was one of the last people who is actually in San Francisco proper, raising her animals and making her living from San Francisco was instantly becoming a city and didn't want livestock within city limits. The last way is quite a character apparently and lengths to flout authority and she just wanted to keep raising doubts the way her family had been, and says she has a mild criminal, shall we say in keeping her goats in places where the city didn't want to have to hurt this very same woman I met here is the second goat lady is Francisco she had been raising doubts on Potrero helmet was a little bit less of a settled area in seven discount when she was a kid and her family had about five or six scout sometimes as many as 15 large of a herd and they were not dependent on them for their income. They were a part of their family's income stream and when the city was laying the first sidewalks in Potrero hell.

Her goats got out and ran across the newly laid segment and left goat half marks and discuss first sidewalk in Potrero hell a lot of trouble.

They made her family get rid of their goats. I met her when she was in her 80s and set out.

I am very happy get to carry on the tradition of flat stock in San Francisco and goats and Cisco. And of course it's also an honor to get to be the third crazy goat lady himself and Cisco. I'm the executive director of city grazing. We are the last local herd of working animals in the city actually taken retired dairy counts and we give them, secondly, some of them have to do for us is eat for a living so they go out. They eat a lot of the rash that's unwanted. A lot of the invasive vegetation that we have and both reduce fire hazard and improve the health of some of our small local forests in San Francisco city grazing was started as a little bit of justifying side project by a man named David Gabovitch who owned a industrial waste management company and he thought it would be a fun way to advertise their commitment to green methods and keeping their waste processing very clean. By having a herd of goats that actually lived on site next door to the waste processing center. It's pretty common in California to see goats grazing on the side of the freeways to. There are a few different companies in California that you large-scale go crazy. These are companies that have a thousand animals, or up to 4000 animals and grazing. Really big areas alongside like Chevron's processing plants alongside the freeways, alongside some of the wind farms and solar farms in California. These are really common companies that use grazing animals to keep their fire hazard down and saw thought it would be a lot of finding on a small scale in the city.

So he started with just a few goats didn't really think much about how goats multiply ended up pretty quickly.

Having 40 goats and point was renting them out. He was renting in the backyards and that was in 2008 got started I came on board in 2012 I answered a very random Craigslist ad. I had just moved back to San Francisco was looking for a new career and found a very unusual habit said subparagraph tell us why you're qualified to take care of our 40 goats in Bayview. While our current goatherd goes home on vacation for six weeks and I got has 40 goats in you baby was in jail. Part of the city ice to CSI and I grew up in a cattle ranch.

I been around animals.

Most of my childhood and I never really thought I'd work with him again so I randomly answered this ad and we just kinda headed off to Dave and I got along very well. The goats definitely needed more care than they were getting at that time. She just had 20 employees from the railyard who was taking care of them so I just laughed and in 2015.

It took over management in 2017. We converted to a nonprofit. And that's really allowed us to open up who we work with, and what we do and lets us adopt animals rather than purchasing or breeding that lets us have more work with municipalities with schools with universities also allows us to be a little bit more proactive in our hiring policies so we really strive to give work to people who are from our underserved neighborhoods in San Francisco so it's open a lot of doors for us what we do is specialize in strips of on developed land and San Francisco has a lot of there's a lot of back hillsides or Airpark areas that haven't been landscaped and that's where we come in and then also just backyards. We do a fair amount backyards. It's a lot of fun to bring somebody five goats to spend a week in our yard and their family interact and see what that's like and most targets are really friendly. They love people. Very easy to hang out with and he would necessarily want to keep it forever but there a lot of fun for a week.

The community loves the goats absolutely loves them from being completely startled to see it go, you know, we get the wire there goats here are questions from passersby. We get kids who've never seen before and do not know what they are and say mommy what's wrong with that dog or donkey. Now is my favorite question I've ever gotten. The goats have a lot of fans and so we always publicize a frail location where the public can come and view the grazing and fat as just an amazing side benefit of the doubt. It's really great to be able to get back to the planet.

It's great to be able to contribute to the health of trees is a lot about the goats.

He is the Penland blackberry which is invasive here a few different forms of IV so a lot of our work is taking care of those two plants to keep the trees and some of our parks, like the Presidio, UCSF Mount Sutro.

These are a couple of the larger parks in San Francisco that we do a lot of work for. It's really about tree health. It's also about fire hazard reduction but a huge part, especially in the last few years, people were just looking for anything that they could do outside with their kids. Like how we get out of the house and you can always come visit the goats right so it's just so much fun to give people that kind of outlet, and it's not just people with their kids, we thought dog walkers who bring their dogs. The dodger fascinated. They never seem to before either. These are city dogs right they do not know what livestock is set.

They have a lot of fun and the goats are so funny. You're very used to the urban environment. Goats are such adaptive animals you wouldn't put a horse or a cow or a sheep and some of the situations that we very happily put our goats the goats are just like, okay, is this a new place for staying for a week call and they'll interact with the people interact with dogs, they get bored if there in one location. As anyone who has goats can tell you goats get very bored and they will start trying to break out. They love to explore any space they love new vegetation and so we find a much better manners if we are moving them around new grounds to stop on our mission is sustainable land management and that's really just about inspiring people to find creative solutions to the problems that we have what we do is so beneficial.

But it's really just goats being goats. It's a very elegant solution to the problem of overgrowth or fire hazard or invasive plants because we put the goats on them and the goats don't do anything special. They just do it. Goats do they compete with each other for food and I have a great time doing it to Genevieve church. Third crazy goat lady San Francisco more of her story here on our American stories doing household chores can Artie be time-consuming and tedious. There's nothing more daunting than facing piles and piles of laundry that need to be done can be overwhelming for anyone. If you want to get those larger laundry loads done right and get back to your life. Try all three clear mega packs all three clear mega packs are bigger packs two times the cleaning ingredients compared to a regular pack so that you can tackle any laundry load without the worry all three clear mega packs are also 100% free of perfumes and dyes and their dental and skin which is great for any families sensitive skin needs my family. We definitely have sensitive skin. The next time the whole family gets home from long vacation or you get the kids back from summer camp or whatever the situation is. That's because this big pile of dirty clothes does not offer a clear mega tax to have your back purchase all three clear mega packs today and conquer any laundry load for all fabric types. IHeartRadio and the black affect podcast network are sponsored by better help online therapy to help online therapy a more convenient, affordable and accessible way to try therapy and Debbie Brown, host of the job in Jim's podcast podcast about the depth and potential of personal growth in the human spirit all in service to our liberation and internal go to better help.com/black affect for 10% off your first month to millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and United healthcare can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7.

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We returned to our American stories into Genevieve church of city grazing the goat outwardly in management fire prevention organization in San Francisco.

Let's pick up with you last left off so many amazing goats and they come to us from Oliver. As I said most of our goats are retired dairy goats milk production drops often it's hard on their bodies, so it's really fun for us to be able to take those ladies and and retrain.

We take them in and just put in and basically that pastor and then leave them there for a week and when they first come to us come to the fence of the morning like someone supposed to do something with me now don't have to go somewhere like this with the rest of the goat but we also every year we try and adopt in some of the little orphan Gary boys dairy goats have to have a baby every year and giving no the females go back in the dairy industry for those males usually going to need history and we like to adopt a few of those in every year and raised grazing goats so those little guys. They are very social. They'd been hand raised by people they really turned last for all their needs there so much fun to interact with their really naturalized people have big personalities that some of our other goats are rescue cats that have come from you name it all different situations and yes all of our goats have names from Regina the complaining dairy cows, who never stops yelling at us to hearken stand for a pair of twins. Another pair that we have is curry and steel their original owner raised them for for Betty Botha, Ms. Davies and he loved them so much. He just fell in love with them and called us in shamefacedly said I can't eat my goats. Can you take them for me.

So we take the man that my favorite to date, actually got passed on now princess and came to us. They didn't seem to know that they were goats they were. These enormous enormous Alpine goats and they had been raised in someone's kitchen in Oakland been raised on people food they'd never graced they been eating breakfast cereal and apparently even for their whole lives. The lady who raised them was very eccentric. Her neighbors were complaining to the health department. She reached out to us and we are like Charlotte so we went to get them really think it really didn't understand that they know other than going into her backyard. They really had been outside she was keeping the house so we had to teach them how that outside we had to teach them how to grace we had to expose them and they were adults they were both quite large and in the end both of them took over the herd. Both of them where where the alpha males in the herd and we named Princess Princess because he was so high maintenance at the same like that name was really supposed to stick as he was the biggest white male goats with giant horns that you've ever seen and it was just kind of an ironic name because he didn't know how or take care of himself. He was such a princess. We had to wait on him hand and foot before he learned how to be goat by the end he was the king and he just ruled the entire herd so those two probably are my favorite rescue story.

We have others we have goats that came to us from 4-H so therefore H kids that had raised them didn't want them to end up being harvested so they donated them to us rather than sell them at the fair. One of them, though he he had a little accident and this was before he came to us he lost the tip of his and they decided he couldn't be shown as breeding stock, which was the intention when he was raised his name and temper temper looks like a small rhinoceros without horns. He's the most muscular goat I've ever seen has giant legs and huge feet.

Giant had he looks like he could knock all the other goats down but he's the ultimate in gentle giant doesn't know he's strong doesn't. Now that he's just the earliest goat ever, and he stands on the side and let's all the other goats eat first and we have to keep them in with the old ladies because he does not understand his own strength so they come to us with such cute personalities and individual natures. Goats love salt have a very high need for salt in their diet and so when you see a goat licking the inside of a tin can which, yes, that stereotype is inaccurate when goats will pick up tin cans that have had food in them and they will carry them around actually can't eat them. They are trying to link out whatever was inside that can if there's any residue of salt chip bag and outputs. The most common piece of letter that you see anywhere it's a Doritos bag.

They will take them in their mouth they will chew on them and chew on them and chew on them the way we chew gum and then they'll spit them out because they're just trying to suck all that salt off of the inside where goats get that reputation from one thing to chew on plastic. We finally that he was like a salt.

They love roses and they love blackberries, blackberries, that's great because it's a massive problem in California with Emily and blackberry going all over the West Coast and it's a terrible invasive plant roses not so much. Nobody really wants the goats to come in and eat their price rose collection so we draft that you were really intense about our fencing to make sure that doesn't happen.

Homeowners associations in the Bay Area tend to know why they almost all have one giant inaccessible hillside periodically need to have something done about the fire danger and love doing it.

City grazing gets about 60% of our income from our grazing work, but the other 40% of our income comes from donations and we really rely heavily on that we have a really amazing team of employees.

We are out there setting fencing, clearing paths, Cisco is big in terms of population and small in terms of acreage.

It's a tiny little city that is jampacked so we have to build really nice fences. Every time you take the goats anywhere to make sure they staying close. Stay safe and make sure everyone in the situation is contained. We also have a box track that we converted to a mobile barn but it's essentially just like any U-Haul that you'd used to move we pull out the ramp. The goats running the ramp or run out the ramp on but it's really kind of hilarious to check out the goats getting in and out of the truck will not let you to expect but it's simply been one of our best innovations. Talk about funny stories we have staged goat yoga if you missed your chance to think of yoga trend when I was a thing. Don't worry about it because but you really missed out on what is probably getting peed on by a baby goat. We don't tell you only say the ticket but it was a fundraiser that we did for a while so many other crazy stuff that we've done, we pray a groom at a wedding.

His in-laws hired us to bring goats to the wedding reception and to bring them out behind the groom while the father of the bride was making his hopes and we notice they didn't tell us.

I don't think they love their son-in-law very much. She was terrified of goats so it was just a scene. It was hilarious for everyone there except for the grounds of taking goats to nightclub openings, not inside out sites that they or their ears wouldn't get any damage done a really great promotion years and years in a row.

We did about five. It is called goat my Valentine where we would bring goats and stage a photo shoot so that she could come up with your sweetheart and take a photo with the goats and get cuddly with our our baby goats on Valentine's Day is a really fun one that we dead cell.

People love goats and sterile, and there we let them where all of us city grazing. We smelled terrible at the end of the day, but we love our job and a great job on the storytelling medicine.

Special thanks to Genevieve church, Executive Director city grazing my goodness, I love some of the names are confirmed for June of the complaining very goat princess and Udo enormous beltline goats never raised in their lives. They were raised on human food in the house story of city grazing which started as a fun side project now takes care of fire prevention and so much more in the city of San Francisco on L Americans doing household chores can Artie be time-consuming and tedious. And there's nothing more daunting than facing piles and piles of laundry that need to be done can be overwhelming for anyone. If you want to get those larger laundry loads done right and get back to your life. Try all three clear mega packs all three clear mega packs are bigger packs two times the cleaning ingredients compared to a regular pack so that you can tackle any laundry load without the worry all three clear mega packs are also 100% free of perfumes and dyes and their dental and skin which is great for any families sensitive skin needs my family. We definitely have sensitive skin. The next time the whole family gets home from long vacation or you get the kids back from summer camp or whatever the situation is. That's because this big pile of dirty clothes is not all three clear mega packs have your back purchase all three clear mega packs today and conquer any laundry load for all fabric types.

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This is our American stories visual, no listener stories and some of our favorites with him a lot and send your listener stories to our American stories.com short form to fill out the type it up, send it to us and you'll be hearing back from us. We love these stories, your stories make this sure wouldn't lose up mixed breeds who listens to us on KOA news radio 8:50 AM and 94.1 FM out of Denver found out something interesting about himself when he was in his 30s near zero. Monty Montgomery with the story's previous roommate isn't actually skip my real name is Jory. As I understand when my mother was pregnant with my grandfather was say to her during the course of the pregnancy whether that little skipper coming out of it and so when I was born.

The name skipper just kind of stuff.

I have four children and grown at this point I grew up to be a professional musician.

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The female group for Motown so I had a pretty happy career as a professional drummer.

All in all I'm doing okay much. So first of all, my father was in the military. He was in the Army for 25 years so all of my childhood life I was a military brat. We traveled around a lot, but I lived a good portion of my childhood in Germany. My childhood was it was it was a good one for the most part, because I had a very loving hands on attentive father. I had a very good father. I like to be in my father been in the military all the traveling around when I look back on it really prepared me for life and all of the challenges that would bring upon me as I moved through life. I was a little black kid but you know, I grew up around a variety of races of people so because of that and living in another country. I learned that people are just people I didn't grow up with any kind of racial issues. My father didn't teach us and you that while we were growing up, I will tell you this is certainly taught us to stand up for ourselves who taught us.

You know the respect of the people and have the respect you so my father said he didn't raise any dispute to be pushovers or to be walked on or walked over, but he raises just to be decent people who make a positive contribution to society. So I grew up like that and I'm still that same person. To this day my father was a major major influence on me because of who he really was a man who loved his kids took care of us very well cared about all that was deeply deeply that he would do anything you could help us support us into standbys so much outlook for the most part was was a good one without its quirks. When I was five years old and we were living in Germany at the time my mother came up to me one time and she said skipper that's what you call she still calls you to this date. My mother said skipper. She said I gotta talk to you about something a little bit important. She said were going to go see a man and his judge.

This man is going to ask you know certain questions about your father, and with whatever questions you asked youyes to them and you know are you happy this family, you know, how does less than teach you possess. My father's name less than how does he treat you and so forth. So as you some questions about that. You know, just answering the way I'm telling to locate Wells Fargo so I have no clue what was going on, so sure enough, you know, we went to some building. I can remember going to a little small room which pretty sure was the judge's chambers at the time I didn't know what it was but we went back. Sure enough, there was a judge with the typical judge clothes on and start asking me questions you feel about a part of this family, you know, what did I think about my dad questions maybe four or five I think that I can recall, and I pretty much answered positive and affirmatively to all the questions and so you know Joseph okay that's it. Then we walked out and went home. I never gave it another thought. But what I found out was later on when the whole issue came up of him not been my biological father. When I went to go talk to my mom about it. That's when she brought the thesis she said, remember when he was a little boy in Germany five years old. You had to go talk to the judge. And I said yeah she's the work that was the occasion that your father was officially adopting you all. So that's what that was about but it is so. I didn't mean anything to me. I just wanted an answer the questions and we came out of it.

That's right was actually adopted and you didn't know about until he was in his 30s with kids of his own took some discord in his father's life that information to come out. My mother and father divorced so some years later, my father remarried and unfortunately you know some years into the marriage of that relationship began to sour as well walk sometime prior before that my father taken his then wife down to Texas. As you know my father is from Texas and you know as his wife with visiting with some of the older relatives, the conversation just came up that I was not you know lessons biological so when my father and her started having some issues in their marriage. As I was told she threatened to call me and tell me personally that you know that Liston is not my fault soon as she said that my father called my mother and told her the situation. The decision will remove my mother's name is Reba. He said you know what you need to tell Skip. What's with all this time he needs to hear the story from you so my mother called me one day and she was crying and trembling on the phone and yes I was 33 years old at this stage married. She called me on the phone and you know, trembling, and I could I could tell there was a lot of anxiety there. She says I need you to come over here because I got something and I said okay so you know I got in my car and drove across town and went to her house and so when I walked into the house she was shaking and trembling in you know she was kind of crime is that I got something I need to tell you and I basically said just going until you know just to relax and calm down whatever it is just just quit until she says well you remember when you were five years old and you went before the judge's order so forth the message yet she still will Liston is not your biological father. She said that was part of the adoption process and I said okay so you know she, looked at me like that's it. What we would've muscles to do what she said. Wallace of Mondo doesn't bother me is that it doesn't bother me at all. I said you know I wouldn't trade him for father for any of the men on this planet never felt like I was not a part of this family never spoke like he was not my father, Narciso. You know you can relax. No is nothing to be upset about.

I said I don't see that you did anything wrong. She says well you know we never meant to keep this from you. She said, but she says but you guys just got along so well and she said it just never came up. So I said I'm okay. I'm not mad at anybody on not upset and I said so everybody can relax and calm.

It is what it is. Let's keep there's been absolutely no change, no altering whatsoever.

None whatsoever. As a matter fact I think finding that out probably brought me closer to my day because after I found out I called them up and I said you know that I love you more than you took on a child that wasn't yours and gave me a great life you know it existed tedious. It was skipper I love you to. We do have a long conversation about it was a very long at all. The conversation mother been two or three minutes and it was over. I grew up very very secure knowing that my father was a time he just raised me to just be okay with who I and I learned at this very important position to know the school in the world. What a beautiful story. A special thanks to Skip Reeves for telling it.

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