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And we continue with our American stories. Thomas Jefferson has become today's everyman. due to his paradoxical nature. And like us, he is neither purely heroic nor nor a villainous figure. Here to tell the story is Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Joseph Ellis, author of American Sphinx.
The character of Thomas Jefferson. And we gathered this audio thanks to the Library of Congress. Let's take a listen. In the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Abraham Lincoln, Stephen Douglass. Both Lincoln and Douglas believe Jefferson agrees with them.
When Herbert Hoover runs against Franklin Delano Roosevelt for the presidency of the United States in 1932, both of them think they are Jeffersonians. When Ronald Reagan is elected President, he in his inaugural address says, we must pluck a rose from Jefferson's garden and wear it in our lapels forever. And William Jefferson Clinton starts his inaugural parade in Monticello. He is America's everyman. He's all things to all people.
And it's not just any man who can be every man. How do you do that?
Well I was asking that question in a context in which the dominant point of view was established by Franklin Roosevelt. in 1943. Franklin Roosevelt Road out at a White House. De Limo went to the National Archives and he picked up the portable desk. That Jefferson allegedly used to write the first draft of the Declaration.
It was a desk made custom made for him by a former slave, where on the in the third week of June of seventeen seventy six at the second floor apartment of Seventh and Market Street, he wrote the magic words of American history. And they are the magic words of American history. These 55 words are the most important words in American and maybe in modern world history. If you're looking for a secret to the wellspring, This is it. These words mean so much and different things to different people.
We hold these truths to be self-evident. that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these rights, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. that to secure these rights Governments are instituted among men deriving their well-being. Justification.
I get it wrong every time I get it wrong. But it is, you know, like think about this, you know, like When Ho Chi Minh wrote the The Constitution for Vietnam in 1946. How does it begin? We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal.
Now later on it says, Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chance.
So it's a nice blend of Jefferson and Marx, you know. And when the women gathered together at Seneca Falls in 1848, how did they begin? We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men and women are created equal. I think Jefferson meant men and women, don't you?
Yes. What he really meant was that all of us that are human beings possess a soul. And that separates us from other creatures as human beings. And if American history were a casino, Nobody that's bet on Jefferson, as far as I can tell, has ever lost. You want him.
He's like an ace in the hole. You want him, right? Until now. Maybe you don't want them. The Democratic Party is not so sure.
The Democratic Party in Ohio, as well as several other states, have just said that they're going to drop Jefferson's name. From the annual Jefferson Jackson dinner. Gonna drop Jackson's name, too. Yeah. Jackson did the Indians bad and Jefferson did the black man bad.
Now, I don't see anybody with any stonemasons up there ready to. Knock Jefferson's Image off Mount Rushmore. But there are people that have actually written books calling for the Jefferson Memorial to be replaced by a memorial to Frederick Douglass. And if you are a historian. And you want to get a PhD.
And, like, I had a wonderful student named Chandra, I won't tell you her last name. She went to Harvard and she said, I want to write about Jefferson. They said. What? You can't do that.
He's the dead wettest male you can possibly imagine. You finish your career if you're finished if you do that. And that's, you know, like.
So within the profession There is a set of assumptions. And a lot of people are playing their politics uh on the past. A lot of politicoric nonsense. People are doing their political isometric exercises against Thomas Jefferson. And I don't think that's a good idea.
And I want to conclude with trying to make the point I want to end with in terms of the occasion for this. Moment. It's 1815. And Thomas Jefferson agrees to sell his books to what becomes the Library of Congress for $23,950. He makes this contribution, and the seeds that he plants become the greatest library in the world.
This is good news, okay?
Now you could go the other way, however. Why is Jefferson selling these books in the first place. When he dies. He is going to be About $10 million in debt.
Now here is a thought which I suggested we mention. People wanted him to free his slaves, right? He owned about 200 slaves. 100 of them in Mounticello, another at another plantation down the road, 90 miles. Jeffrey didn't own his slaves.
His creditors aren't his slaves. You couldn't free him. But Six months after They Ghouls descend upon Monticello. It's dismembered from all the furnishings and a hundred and thirty. African Americans, whom he has promised will not be sold down the river.
Our soul down the river. And that's not just a euphemism. If you get sold to Mississippi or Louisiana, you're in deep trouble. Your lifespan is very short. And there were promises he made that he couldn't keep.
So that's the other way to tell the story. That the gift is itself an indication of his bankruptcy. And then you could say his moral bankruptcy and his inability to take a strong stand against slavery in his latter years. Here's where I want to leave you, and I hope this prompts some questions. We need Imperfect.
flawed Founders. In fact, if they were perfect, what in heaven's name would we have to learn from them? Let's leave Jefferson in the conversation. and a terrific job on the editing and production by our own Greg Hengler. and you've been listening to the Pulitzer Prize winning historian Joseph Ellis.
Author of American Sphinx. The character of Thomas Jefferson. He gave this speech, and of all places, the very place Jefferson sold his books to. The Library of Congress. Special thanks to all that the folks do at the Library of Congress.
If you ever get a chance, visit the building. And just imagine in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Both men believed Jefferson agreed with them. And the same with Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. and the same throughout history until relatively recently. And the fact of the matter is He was America's every man, and he wrote those fifty five words.
that may be the most important in not just political history. And not just modern history, but world history. The story of America's everyman. Thomas Jefferson. Here on Our American Stories.
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