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but have little else in common. Mitchell Rutledge, aka Big Mitch. was born black and poor in Georgia. I was born kinda brown and middle class. in New Jersey.
He never met his father. I still talk to my ninety-four-year-old father. every week. He dropped out of high school in his early teens and was illiterate into his early 20s. I was surrounded by books growing up.
and finished graduate school in my early thirties. Big Mitch spent the last 44 years of his life in Alabama prisons for killing a man. But this is not a story about an innocent man sentenced to prison. for a crime he didn't commit. Big Mitch never denied the crime.
or made excuses for it. This is the story of my friend's spiritual transformation while serving his life sentence. It's also about a friendship only God could have engineered. a friendship that began with a single Sunday morning call. Through these weekly conversations, I hope you come to know and love him.
much as I do. Welcome to Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch. Here's episode one, my conversation on January 14th. 2024, where I learned where Big Mitch grew up. Inhale.
This is our second conversation. on January 21st. twenty twenty four, which just happened to be My birthday. Today we start off with Big Mitch talking about his early adulthood. and his struggle to make good choices.
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So my grandmother and my step-grandpa, they lived up in age, so they didn't want to put up with nobody like that. Because, you know, they coming in and out of the house all time of the night.
So my grandmother and everybody told me, said, well, you got to get your own place. You don't want to work anywhere. You don't want to go to school.
So at 16, going on 17, my auntie, which is my mother's sister, she went and paid the first rent and signed the lease for the apartment. And I took it from there. I'm paying $80 a month. And so I was in the streets out there, hustling, stealing, selling drugs, selling fake drugs and what have you. And to survive, try to make from one day to the next day, try to do that again.
And while I've been on the streets like that, I run. Into a lot of bad situations. I've been into a lot of bad situations. Here's Big Mitch talking about an early encounter with God. That saved his life.
I saw a lot of young young kids out there like myself. Young girls and young men that was on the streets like I were. We got in the family and everything. And they fanned the best they could. They did the best they could to survive.
And I can recall one night I had been selling drugs to fake drugs to soldier boys, you know, like military guys, like once they get drunk and they're in the strip club and stuff like that. They're already high.
So they don't really know what they're buying. I let them taste the real drugs, let them sample the real drugs, and when I get ready to sell them something, I pass them the fake drugs. And so, make a long story short, they caught up with me one night on Ince Street at a late night junk where they hang out. and stuff like that with a lot of prostitutes was a lot of prostitutes with hanging out and everything so I took off running and I coming up on Cedar Road about I don't know about two o'clock in the morning and there was a car pull up and this is the same time that the killings was going on in Atlanta and the guy pull up on me at two o'clock in the morning said you want to ride and I looked at him I had saw the it was a red thunderbird that used to hang out in the community drive through and we had saw it we were fascinated with the car because you know it was a nice car and he said what you doing at this time of night at this time my mother was still living you know but I was about 15 so anyway I get in the car and as he's driving he asked me he said do you have to go home right now.
Well, when he said that, man Keller stood up on my head. And so I get him to come off the main road.
Something tell me, said, bitch, tell him to turn off here.
So I said, well, turn off here. And when he got ready to turn off there, he was coming up with a pilster. And I guess we're going about 35 miles an hour.
So I just jumped out of the car. But I was in, I had took him off the main road. and put him on a residential road where you had houses on both sides. And this was in a minute left. It was in a predominantly white neighborhood.
So when I jumped out of the car, he stopped and tried to come back, but I went streaming and hollered and yelling. And the lights came on. He took off.
So my life was saved right there. I don't know what he did to me. I don't know. But so God saved me right there. But there's a lot of things that happened in the streets when I was out there.
And here's Big Mitch talking about the day he found out he was being charged. with capital murder. after killing a man with whom He'd committed a crime. They arrest me for capital murder. Put me in the county jail.
So I get up there and I didn't even know what I was really charged with. You know, I had no idea there was such a thing as capital murder. You know, like I said, I couldn't read or write.
So I'm in the county jail. I don't have anybody to call. I was just, you know, I had no, I'm 21 years old and going on 22. And so I'm in the county jail. I'm in a bullpen.
It's crowded. You know, so many individuals in there at that time is that the area where we shower and the area that we ate in, we had our mattresses in there on the floor. And in daytime, we would roll them up and be able to walk and what have you.
So I'm walking around in there.
So after about three days, Older black guy, he was a jailer. He came to me. He said, Hey, young man. I said, Yeah, I said, How you doing? He said, Do you know that they're charging you with capital murder?
I said, What is that? He said, They're talking about putting you in an elected chair. I said, Elected chair, you know, and that's that's that's kind of like city gonna try to kill you.
So that really just freaked me out right there.
So I really didn't know what to do. And like I said, I really didn't have anybody to call. I had no lawyer, I had nothing. I'm just so once he telled me that, I just go to asking guys questions and what have you. And didn't get no answer.
Only thing I know now is that the guy told me that they was gonna kill me, you know. He was big. Mitch telling the story of how doing something very improbable in prison. putting your neck out on the line for a stranger. changed the trajectory of his entire life.
And again, This is a story that happened in the very first week. He was in prison.
So, in the bullpen, you got a guy, he's walking around, he's about 28 years old. Got his shirt off, real muscle-bound. He'd been in prison before, just like I have. And it was a young guy up under the table where we eat, because that's where he had his bankruptcy at. He was out of the way, and he stayed up under there reading all the time.
It was the Bible. I come to find out later it was the Bible. And you've been listening to Mitch Rutledge, aka Big Mitch, telling his story when we come back. You'll hear about what happens next with that young guy and Big Mitch. Here on Our American Stories, our Sunday mornings with Big Mitch.
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When we last left off, There was a big guy, a muscular guy, bullying a little guy, Crawled underneath the table on his mattress. Reading the Bible. Let's pick up. where we last left off with Big Mitch. He was 19, I was 21, but we were different.
And the older guy that had been in prison by 20 years old, he was trying to turn the young guy out into a female or what have you. You know what I'm talking about. And prison, we got a rule. If you won't fight for yourself, then can't nobody fight for you.
So I had saw it going on, you know. The young guy was scared. But anyway, this particular day, I heard a voice. I heard something tell me, said, stop that, Mitchie. And like I said, numb that you don't do that because I don't know the guy.
You know, he got to fight his own ballot. But it was something said, stop that, Mitchie, stop that.
So I told the dude, I said, hey, man, I said, leave him alone. I said, don't blank, blank with him no more.
So he said, well, Don't nobody care nothing about you being up and for murder and so on. I said, Well, I'm through with it. I said, don't don't f with him no more. And I went to the other side of the bullpen. He went to the other side of the bullpen, but he didn't mess with him no more.
Thank God for that. Thank God for that. And so later on that day, that night, I got up under the table where the dude was. I said, man, what you reading over here? He said, I'm reading the Bible.
I said, well, how do you know it's real? And he said, well, you can read it.
Now, I'm going to show you how I know God was in this. I was so embarrassed about the fact that I couldn't read and write that I wouldn't tell nobody. But I told this guy. I said, man, I can't read and write, man. I never did that before.
So I said, man, how you know God real?
So he said, man, my mama said, if you want to know God, If you want to know God is real, ask God to touch you.
So I never prayed in my life.
So I got down on my knees.
Well, I went to everybody who went to sleep that night because at that time, getting on your knees and praying in public display and prison and so on, it was a sign of weakness. It's crazy, but that's the way you look at it.
So I went to everybody, went to sleep, and I got on my knees. I never prayed in my life. And I said, God, I remember the prayer just as plain as yesterday. That was 40-something years ago. I said, God, the little dude up under the table said, his mama said, if you want to know God is real, ask God to touch you.
I said, so I'm asking you to touch me, God. And I tell you, don't worry or lie. I never, something came all over me. I never experienced. Nothing like that in my life.
And I have been all kinds of drugs and everything from the bottom of my feet all the way to the top of my head. I'm serious. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. So I stepped outside of the norm rules of prison and did something that was good and right.
And I got rewarded by getting introduced to Jesus Christ. And my life ain't been the same since then. Here's Big Mitch. On the prayer he prayed after finding out he was facing the death penalty. The change coming in me, but I'm still going back and forth.
You know what I mean? I'm coming in and out because I'm just getting to know God.
So I got on my knees and I prayed. I said, God, I ain't got nobody in the world. I said, I'm by myself. I said, they talk about kidding me. I said, please send somebody in my life that's gonna love me for who I am and be there for me.
And I left it like that. Here's Big Mitch telling me about his first impressions. of Death Row. Death Row was the last unit in that area back there. And it was in the summertime.
And like I said, I have heard about Holman, you know, back in the day. It was like considered a slaughterhouse. They called it the bottom. It was the last stop. And for various reasons, you know, one reason they called it the bottom because it was Admiral, Alabama, and it was at the end of Alabama state line.
And another reason they called it the bottom is because that's where the hardest of the hardest went. The ones with the longest sentences, the ones that hard co-convicts or what have you, if you committed murder in another prison, you go to Holman lock up or what have you.
So when I'm walking up towards Death Row Unit, I'm 21 years old, and I'm looking at the guy.
So, you know how it is when you're coming in, everybody looking at you. And I'm looking, and these guys, I tell you, these guys looked at real, real hard. And it wasn't no young guys, these were older guys, you know, and uh they had scars all of them. I'm talking about cuts, you know, you can tell they had been in all kinds of nine fights and everything, you know, like I said, in the summertime. And so, I get through that.
So, I'm looking, so they're looking at me, I'm looking at them, you know. And I'm trying to look like I'm not afraid, but like I said, I was intimidated going into an environment like that because I never saw that aspect of it, you know, prison life.
So, I'm going around by with the death row, and they put me in a they put me in a, put me in my cell.
So, when they put me in my cell, I look around and lock the door.
So this 855 cell. I'm 21 years old. I live in the greatest country in the world. And I'm on death row.
So I have to use the bathroom.
So I knock on the wall next door. I tell the guy, I said, hey, man, I said, where's the bathroom? And so he told me, he said, look in the back, he said in the back of the cell. You see that cement brick running from the wall? I said, yeah.
He said, it's a small hole in the middle of the cement brick. He said, that's the bathroom. That's the target. I said, what? And I looked, and that's where it was.
You know, a little small hole in the cement brick. And I said, Lord, Jesus. Here's Big Mitch telling me about making friends in prison. and setting boundaries in prison. and asking God to heal his addiction And Give him protection.
So the guy next door to me on this side, so uh They came around with the general.
So I didn't really feel like eaten.
So I asked the guy next door. I said, man, you want the trade? He said, yes. And they called him Swamp Bear. His real name was Arthur Jr.
And so he said he called me Swamp Bear. I said, okay. I said, well, he called me Big Mitch. And you've been listening to Big Mitch tell the story. of his first few days in prison.
And my goodness, that encounter with that young guy, him hearing a voice. and wanting to protect him. In a place where you don't put your neck out for anybody. And there's that kid reading the Bible, and Mitch, for the first time in his life, confesses. That he's never read the Bible, he can't.
Because he's illiterate. He'd never told anyone that before. And then that prayer he prayed. He wanted to know if God was real. and he waited till everyone was asleep before he prayed that prayer.
And then we learned about that first walk down death row. A twenty one year old with all these seasoned old timers. guys who'd done heinous things. There he is meeting Swamp Bear and the cast of characters you'll get to meet. as we continue this series.
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We'd last left off with Mitch talking about the bathroom situation in his cell on death row.
Now we're about to hear about the food situation. And so much more. I got in the cell and I'm looking around, so I'm sitting down. I can't believe it, and I'm trying to put everything up. The next morning, I didn't feel like eating again, so I get a tray to him again.
So at lunchtime, when the guys were bringing the trays around, he didn't even wait to get in my door. He just automatically told the man, hey, give me that tray. And so, you know, I had to put a stop to that.
So I hit on the wall and I told him, I said, hey, Swamp Bear. I said, hey, Swamp. He said, yeah. I said, listen, don't ask for my tray. Tell the man to put my tray in your door.
And as I tell you, oh, my bad, I ain't mean no. I said, no, I'm just saying, you know, don't take my food. See, I had to stop him because if I wouldn't have stopped him, it would have led to something else.
So I get up there. I got action guy. what's going on and trying to figure my way out right now because I've been in prison before but I've never been in a prison like this this is a different thing right here so what I did I just got on my knees right there inside that cell could nobody see me and I just prayed and I asked because I was smoking cigarettes and I know I didn't have no way to get no more cigarettes because nobody was gonna send me no money. And I knew from being in prison before that you don't walk around and ask nobody for nothing. Because if you ask God for cigarettes and stuff like that, then God's gonna want something from you.
So I asked God to take the taste of cigarette out of my mouth. I asked God to protect me. And I just prayed.
So when I got through praying, I got up. And so I'm sitting around and I'm listening.
So I hear God's name. I hear Jungle Bag. I hear Swamp, I hear Blackjack, I hear Slim, I hear Big Hammer, I hear Wolf. You know, I'm hearing all these names and trying to put a phase with them. And eventually, all these guys became my friends as time went on.
And here is Big Mitch on his illiteracy. and pleading with anyone who'll listen. about asking for God's help. before it's too late. I couldn't read and write.
I was illiterate. And as I got older and began to grow and develop in a whole different area and being able to make a transition in my life from an insecure, negative, uneducated individual into a more self-educated, self-esteem, and what have you, I began to look back on my life and I saw the fact that I was so ashamed of me not being able to read and write, it stopped me from really seeking help in that area. And early on in life, when you're not able to read and write, you know, when I was coming up, I'm six or four years old. We was called dummies. But anyway, when I got older and up, so I just said, well, it wasn't no use to go.
To school. And that's one of the reasons I didn't go to school.
However, it hinders me later in life too because I had jobs where people were really trying to help me. I'm not going to sit here and say that didn't anyone try to help me. I had individuals gave me jobs and everything. But one of the jobs I had was one time at a board's club cleaning up, cutting grass, painting, or what have you, lining the baseball field, football field for a game that day or what have you. But he would leave notes in the morning because I would open up the boards club.
So when I get there, he have a note. And I couldn't read.
So I used to call my auntie. And she said, boy, you need to learn how to read and write. You know, it's just so difficult that I had to leave that job. But if I would have just talked to my supervisor and told him. That I couldn't read and write.
And he would have helped me. He would have worked with me. He wouldn't have fired me. But me being embarrassed, me being ashamed, me being not able to recognize the need for help. And people do that.
You got people out there that they need help, but for various reasons, they won't recognize it and reach out to get it. And you got to stop that. You know, I'm telling anybody, you have to take charge of that situation. Whatever area that handicapping you, whatever area that's holding you back, whether it's drugs, alcohol, anything, child abuse, wife abuse, husband, whatever it may be. If you see that if you can get past this, I can move forward and I can accomplish something better than what I've accomplished.
Now, whatever you do, take responsibility. To recognize the need for help, because if you don't, it could handicap you in life to where you find yourself in a situation later on in life, like myself. I've been locked up over 40-something years, and I see little trivia things that if I would have just made an effort to ask somebody to help me with this, such as read and write, I don't think I would have been impressed because it would have gave me another direction to go in. And we closed out. Week number two.
talking about what guys talk about. in January. Football. In football. in prison.
Football season is the most really lively. When football season come around, it really amp things up. You just create a different atmosphere. It created more like a positive atmosphere when football season is in. And when football is over with, then you got basketball, and you got guys still like basketball as well.
Then basketball will be the next favorite. Then baseball, they watch tennis. Got a few watch golf.
So they watch all varieties of sports. But football is the favorite. It also allows a lot of more, you know, just prison trading and barter. They do a lot of that during football season because guys will be willing to you know, you have the polybos, you have the you have the tickets where you can pick, you know, the games. It just created a lot more different atmosphere.
Then, guys have their teams, then they have the logos of the teams, you know, on their personal clothes and hats and stuff.
So, they give them something to talk about every week. It gives them something to, you know, to debate. It gives them something to brag about. It gives them something to be proud about. It gives them something, you know, it does a lot of that.
And the college football does it more so than the pro because everybody pretty much got a college team. But a lot of guys don't have pro teams.
So, but it's real interesting. It just, and then, you know, it sets people down. It just creates a different atmosphere. It gives them something to do over the weekend. It gives them something to look forward to.
And that's what you, you know, and in here and that's what you really need. You, you know, because if you really don't have anything just to look forward to. To the end, you I don't know why I should, it's just a most difficult task to try to maintain and stay focused and what have you. It's an American game. And a terrific job on the production, editing, and storytelling by our own Greg Hengler and Reagan Habib.
And you've been listening to Big Mitch Rutledge. Our second installment, our second conversation. It was my birthday. January twenty first, twenty twenty four. And each week, as the storytelling continued, We just found ourselves getting closer and closer.
If you notice, I'm sort of cutting me out. Um, I'm not the subject of this story in the end. Mitch is. But through these conversations, we became very close and now we're close, close friends. I love the part about him talking about asking God to protect him.
He didn't know God long, but he was asking God for things, and that's good. That's a great place to start. Asking God to protect me, he said, to take the taste of cigarettes out of my life. Because boy, once you need cigarettes, you gotta trade them, and that means you owe people favors. And once you owe people favors in prison, That's where trouble begins.
And of course he got to know some of the people there with nicknames like Wolf and Blackjack and Swamp Bear. They would become his friends. And then that whole point he made about Just that pride he had. and not asking for help. If he had asked for help and learned how to read, simply learned how to read, I'm certain Big Mitch.
Would not be in prison today. But his pride got in the way. He didn't ask for help. God had probably put all kinds of people in his path. but his pride got in the way, And of course football.
And that would be a running thing for Big Mitch and I. We root for different teams, we hector each other. And he talked about the calming effect that football brings to the prison each season. The debating, the betting, the parlay bets. You've been listening to our second installment.
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