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He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours. It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing?
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and the American people coming to you from the city where the West begins. Fort Worth, Texas. Up next, a story of how a lawyer from Illinois, Abraham Lincoln, became the savior of the Union. despite all conventional political wisdom. When most people think of Lincoln, they likely think of his famous speeches, his unwavering commitment to the nation during the Civil War, or his tragic end.
they probably don't think much about his political savvy. let alone the forces at work that even put him in a position to win the nomination of his party in the first place. Here's Gary Ecclebarger, author of The Great Comeback. to share that story. We'd like to thank the U.S.
National Archives for this audio. Let's get into it. The question is how does a two-time Senate loser Two-time Senate loser, come back to win his party's nomination within a year and a half of that second Senate defeat. It's only happened once in our history. And the fact that it happened to Abraham Lincoln makes that story much more intriguing.
The Republican Party in Illinois had just gone through the ringer. On January 5th, 1859, Abraham Lincoln officially lost that second Senate race to Douglass in the 21st General Assembly of Illinois. by a vote of 54 to 46. Back then, they chose senators not by a popular vote like they've done since 1913, I believe. Before then, it was done as a Indirectly, you chose your state legislators, House and Senate representatives, who would meet in a General Assembly and then have the official vote, usually in the winter after the November election.
What a lot of people don't realize is his bid for the presidency began the very next day. He gets together with a group of prominent Republicans, I think that's a good idea. And they're meeting in the basement of the state capitol. And in the basement was the state library.
So they use the state library on a snowy Thursday. And they get down there and they're talking about the state of the party and they're really in a lot of trouble because he had just lost, they are in debt. And they were talking about people who they could possibly support in 1860. Maybe there's a dozen people in this room. And as they're bringing up names of prominent Westerners, as they would call it, we would say Midwesterners that they could consider for the presidency, Lincoln's.
Silently stewing because, in his mind, they're not bringing up the most important name and the most obvious name, his. And I think they're doing that out of deference to him. 24 hours earlier, he just lost a Senate race. But in the midst of this, Lincoln stands up and says, Why don't you run me? I can be nominated, I can be elected, and I can run the government.
As one person in that room stated, We all looked at him and thought he was kidding, and then saw that he was completely serious. They made no specific overtures on that specific day, but in their minds, this was Lincoln's start of his bid. for the presidency in 1860.
Now this is January of 1859. But he's still looked at as a guy that lost to the potential Democratic nominee, Stephen A. Douglas. There will be a specific strategy devised three months later. And I'm going to call it the under-the-radar strategy.
Now, I know there's no radar in 1859, but just work with me on this one. The whole idea is to be kind of an undetected candidate.
So of course, there were no primaries and there were no caucuses. Back then. No primaries, no caucuses. You didn't officially throw your hat in the ring. You didn't go out and say, I am running for president because you didn't want to look too ambitious for the office.
So you went out, you made public speeches, you wrote letters that you hoped got published in the prominent media source at the time, which was newspapers. And you would hope that you would start to garner some recognition for your principles and hopefully build up some support for it. And what they decided to do was that he would be quietly supported by the State Republican Central Committee members. They were going to quell any attempts by. newspapers Who would try to boom Lincoln's name out too early because they didn't want him to be seen as a candidate?
Or else he's going to attract criticism from the other top-tier candidates in the country. The other thing that they had to knock down was any talk about Lincoln being a vice presidential match. On any ticket. This would be a death knell. It was real attractive to put a Westerner, Midwesterner like Lincoln, along a prominent candidate.
So they were talking up Cameron Lincoln tickets or Seward Lincoln nomination tickets.
So they wanted to make sure that Lincoln had no interest at all at being a vice presidential linkage on anybody's ticket.
So they stopped that. And then it would be up to Lincoln to do the rest. Before I do that, I got to tell you how well this under the radar strategy worked. The head of the Republican Central Committee in Illinois is a man named Norman Judd, who was Lincoln's campaign manager in that losing race in 1858.
Well, as head of the Illinois committee, he was invited out to New York City with 20 other Republican committee heads from the other states who are going to meet at the Astor House in New York City to decide two things: when and where the Republican National Convention is going to be held.
Now, they got the when pretty quickly. They decided on June of 1860, and then that eventually would be moved up to the middle of May. Where is going to be the problem? Because there are so many prominent Republicans being talked up that everybody was shooting down any state where these people hailed from as a bias or at least an advantage to them.
So you couldn't bring up any place in New York City because that was an advantage to William Henry Seward. You couldn't bring up Pittsburgh because that was Simon Cameron's advantage. You couldn't bring up Columbus or Cincinnati because that would be an advantage for Chase. The city that looked like it was going to win hands down because it had hotels, it had railroads, it was supposed to be St. Louis.
All right. But St. Louis really had a candidate to consider as well, and that was Edward Bates, who was an old Whig. He really wasn't even declared as a Republican, but they knew he was going to be presented as a potential nominee.
So that was one strike against him, and they're arguing about this. The other problem with St. Louis is it was in a state where Republicans had no chance to win in a general election. No southern state is going to vote for any Republican.
So while all the parties are fighting about this, the different heads, Judd stood up and said. Why don't you hold it in Chicago? It's a neutral place where all of you front-running candidates have an equal chance. Little did they realize that he's up there in support of Abraham Lincoln, who's under the radar. And when the final votes come through, Chicago will win over St.
Louis by one vote. Judds. And you've been listening to Gary Ecclebarger, the author of The Great Comeback. And we just learned how people got elected, not just as a president back in the 1860s. Bat as a US senator as well.
Direct elections did not happen until the 20th century when we come back. More of the story of how Lincoln became the nominee. of the Republican Party. Here on Our American Stories. Lee Habib here.
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So how did ashes come together, Diplo?
Well, uh I kind of briefly met Bailey I think a Morgan show, one of them, and I think He's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell, and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do. I think he's the one guy that could carry it. I came to his house, I had a show. I pulled up real quick.
He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours. played the record for him, we kinda like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road. Yeah. It was really cool.
He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then.
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And we return to our American stories and the story of how Abraham Lincoln, a two-time Senate loser, and lonely lawyer from Illinois. beat the odds and became the nominee of the Republican Party. in eighteen sixty. Let's get back to the story here again. is Gary Ecclebarger.
Now, I didn't really answer the question yet, right? I said, how does a two-time Senate loser win that nomination? I've only answered the point about saying how he's at least going to be considered in the mix. Here's the problem.
Okay, he's going to be one of 12 to consider. But he's the only one of the 12, essentially, that doesn't have a prominent political position. at the time of that national convention. If you think about it, you have a lot of senators that are going to be highly considered, like Seward and Cameron. You have governors like Sam and P.
Chase. You even have a Supreme Court justice.
So Lincoln is the only one of those 12, or one of the few of the 12, that doesn't have a political position. He's a lawyer in Illinois. on the eve of that convention. And there are campaign handbooks published, and two of them don't even mention Lincoln as even one of the candidates to consider in Chicago. But what happens at that Chicago convention, even before the gavel pounds, is dramatic.
Lincoln's team will get up there the Saturday before the Wednesday beginning of the convention. And by Monday morning, newspapers as far as Philadelphia and Cincinnati are starting to announce with inside information what is absolutely accurate. This is a two-man race between William Seward and Abraham Lincoln.
So the idea that Abraham Lincoln is a dark horse at the convention, not true at all. That convention begins, he is already one of the two highest considered candidates. What in the world happened in the two days for that to occur? How does this thing work? There are really three ingredients to this whole product yielding Abraham Lincoln the nominee.
I can mention them in any order because they're all going to be important.
So let's start with the messenger and the message and then the team that supports them. The messenger, of course, is Abraham Lincoln himself.
Now, there is a traditional idea or belief that Abraham Lincoln is going to win the nomination because of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. And even though he lost, he did so well in those debates that he's going to be considered presidential timber. The problem with the Lincoln-Douglas debates is had he kept up the momentum You could make a real strong case for those.
However, Lincoln didn't give another political speech after those debates for an entire year. One year, out of sight, out of mind. 4th of July, what a great time to give a political speech. He's talking about food in a place north of Springfield. It's almost like he's doing this purposely.
Now Lincoln has given a lot of speeches since 1854. Maybe 160 of them, but he only gave one speech outside the state of Illinois in that period of time. House Divided speech and Big Springfield and Peoria addresses. All these speeches were Illinois. But if Lincoln wants to be a national candidate, he's going to have to spread out.
And realize this isn't a popularity contest, it's not a caucus or. Primary that will get you the nomination, there are none, it's going to be delegates at the convention.
So, how popular you were back in 1858 isn't going to mean very much in 1860 unless you come out and establish your position.
So, in dramatic fashion, Lincoln will do this. And one year after those Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln makes a tour through Ohio. Five speeches in Ohio, two in Indiana, four in Wisconsin, seven in Kansas Territory. And in that six-month period from September of 1859 to March of 1860, 30 speeches in eight states. Is that a coincidence?
That's somebody running for President, and he's doing it under the radar, and it's working beautifully. He gets coast-to-coast coverage of his speeches, North and South, East and West, more than any Lincoln-Douglas debate.
Now, you might think that this isn't going to be as important at the National Convention because I already said he's not going to be there. He's not there because normally the candidates for the nomination don't show up at the convention.
So how is the messenger important? Remember, most of the people at the convention The 465 delegates, right?
So, what do you need to win? What's that number? 233. I'll keep asking. I'm going to keep asking you that.
So there's 465 delegates there. I guarantee you that fewer than 100 of those delegates had never met Abraham Lincoln before, had never seen him giving a speech, and until they went to Chicago and the picture was on display, probably never even knew what Abraham Lincoln looked like. Which, if you've seen some pictures of Lincoln, might not be such a bad thing. All right, but the important point is they knew the name. The name had circulated through Republican circles and in the press even before the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
Lincoln was second in the balloting for vice president in the first convention that had John C. Fremont as the Republicans' first candidate. And what they learned in that first convention. and the following election was two things. One is that the The South and Republicans were mutually exclusive, as I said before, and that Fremont actually did pretty well.
There are four, they call them doubtful states in the Republican circles in 1860. We would call them battleground states. There are four states that Buchanan won. If Fremont had won those, he would have been the president, even without winning a southern state. And that includes Pennsylvania, which is Buchanan's home state, New Jersey, Indiana, and Illinois.
Keep that in mind.
So that's what they learned in 1856. All right, so the point to be made here is that they're going to think about the way we think about electing people now, or at least people in political circles. You think of battleground states. Who's going to win battleground states?
So the geography really set the tone of the type of views that you would establish. The problem with the Republican Party in Illinois is a perfect example of this. You think about the distance between the northern tier. Rockford and the Chicago area and Galena, et cetera. That area between there and Cairo, the southern tip, 400 miles.
In other words, you draw a line across. The northern part of Illinois is as north as the Massachusetts main border. And the southern part of Illinois is as south as the North Carolina-Virginia border. Get what I'm saying? You know the politics is going to be more Southern as you go further into what is then called Egypt, that part of the state.
Get it? Cairo, Egypt, all right? And then the Northern part is going to be more abolitionist. The problem is when the Republican Party is a big tent fusion party. It is not the GOP, the grand old party.
It is the BNP, the brand new party. And the problem with a brand new party is that its elements, its makeup, were people that were politically opposed to each other just a few years before. These were people that were politically opposed to each other and they still hated each other. And I don't like to think about this as wings, but now I'm going to get to talk about Lincoln and the message. The most extreme end of the Republican Party was the abolition wing.
Now you might say, hey, that's a good position to have. The problem with that is that A-word, abolitionist in 1860, was like being called a communist in the 1950s. You weren't going to win any elections if you were tagged with that label. And Lincoln was not an abolitionist. Believe it or not, Lincoln was for.
the Fugitive Slave Law, returning slaves to their owners. Harriet Beecher Stowe would not be a fan of Abraham Lincoln. In fact, abolitionists Really hated him, William Lloyd Garrison called Lincoln the slavehound of Illinois. And it's not that he liked slavery, he's already on the record saying how much he hated it, but he thought the Constitution clearly protected it, and he was not for overriding the Constitution. And the reason for that reverence for the Constitution, in my mind, is if you think about this.
And I've been up at 3 a.m. thinking about this, so I'm going to save you guys that thought, and you can sleep really well tonight and not worry about it. The longest time in our history. Was between the 12th Amendment, which was ratified in 1802, and I hope you're all writing this down, and the 13th Amendment, which ended slavery, ratified in 1865. Guess whose entire life?
was in between those two amendments. Abraham Lincoln. He lived his entire life knowing the Constitution as the original document with the Bill of Rights and just two amendments added to it. And to him, that was a rock-solid document.
Now The other wing of the Republican Party, and this to me is a more fascinating one, because normally the two wings of political parties butt up against each other. But in 1860, the Republican wing overlapped the Democratic wing, and this was the group. I'll call them the popular sovereigntists. They actually supported the notion of popular sovereignty. For pragmatic reasons.
They're saying, yes, as Douglas stated, you can vote slavery up or slavery down, which means that it might be voted down by the people that live in the territories, and that fits their Republican principles that that would prevent slavery from extending in the territories.
So, technically, these folks are rolling the dice, hoping that territorial legislations would keep slavery out of their territories. Lincoln was dead set against this wink because he considered this completely immoral. And it's not that he liked slavery, he's already on a record stand how much he hated it, so he put himself right in the middle. And you've been listening to Gary Ecclebarger, author of The Great Comeback, telling one heck of a story about how Abraham Lincoln became. The nominee of what we now call the GOP, the Grand Old Party.
But as Eckelbarger points out, This was the BNP. a brand new party. with competing factions within it. who otherwise would not have gotten along only months ago. and still weren't.
The story continues. Here on our American stories. Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio Music Festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out.
So how did ashes come together, Diplo?
Well, uh I kind of briefly met Bailey I think a Morgan's show, one of them. And I think. He's just a guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell, and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do. I think he's the one guy that could carry it.
I came to his house, I had a show. I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours. played the record for him, we kinda like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.
Yeah. It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you.
And I was like, okay. And then.
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NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News. reporting for America.
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And we return to our American stories and the final portion of our story on how Abraham Lincoln beat the odds. became the nominee of the Republican Party in 1860. When we last left off, Gary Ecclebarger was telling us about how Lincoln struck a moderate position in his speeches across the nation. He wasn't an abolitionist, after all. Let's get back to the story.
party was really hard to hold together. The only thing they all had in common Was that they hated the idea of slavery extending into the territories. He wasn't trying to unite red state and blue state, which sometimes I hear ascribed to him. He was trying to unite that big tent fusion party. And he did this in ways that were borderline brilliant, in my opinion.
I'll give you one example. He gives a speech in Columbus, and the very next day he goes to Cincinnati.
Now, the Cincinnati Gazette has just sent a reporter to Columbus, and they On the morning Lincoln arrives in Cincinnati, Print his Columbus address.
Well, this is a rarity. The very next issue of the Gazette, they'll print his. Cincinnati speech, consecutive issues, an out-of-state candidate getting complete attention for two speeches. And the reason they did it is he gave a completely different speech in Cincinnati. And the reason why he did that was because Stephen A.
Douglas had just gone through Cincinnati eight days earlier. And if you are in the audience in Cincinnati and you're listening to Stephen Douglas, it makes sense what Douglass is about to say. He said, you in Ohio, as he's speaking in Cincinnati, are a free state, meaning slave-free, not because you were part of the Northwest Territory, which was a slave-free territory, but because of popular sovereignty. The founding fathers of Ohio decided that the climate and soil and geography of Ohio was too far north to be supportive of crops that would require slave labor.
So in 1802, they decided by popular sovereignty to vote slavery out of its state constitution.
Now that makes sense if you're out there in the audience.
So Lincoln will come to Cincinnati eight days later and he's going to vanquish this in a way that he never had done before and never will have to again. This is his southernmost speech, and he's right on the Ohio River. What state is on the other side of the river? Kentucky. All right.
Kentucky has slaves. And Lincoln just takes apart Douglas's argument because the way that river courses around, while they're in Cincinnati, there's a small part of Kentucky that's north of them. And so Lincoln comes out rather haughtily and says, pray, what made you free? Could it be climate and soil? No, because if that was the reason, we are in a region where north of us are parts of Kentucky.
Why are they completely covered with slavery and Ohio is entirely free of it? The only reason is because Ohio was part of a territory that disallowed slavery, the Ordinance of 1787, and Kentucky was not bound by that same ordinance. That's why you have to have the same kind of laws across the Mississippi River, because the chances of having a slave-free state in those territories, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, would be much less if they were slave-free territories. The argument worked brilliantly. He only used it in Cincinnati, and because he gave a different speech, that's the speech that traveled the most.
Clearly, his most underrated speech.
So those are the kind of messages that Lincoln established for the middle ground position.
So the messenger and the message are extremely important. And now the most important part, at least for the end of what I was going to say, is the team that took him there. Why does Lincoln become the second to the top rung of the ladder before the convention begins in two days? Because they argued on the battleground state basis. They being his team of supporters, they got together.
being Illinois one of the four, right? One of the four battleground states. And the first thing they did was got Indiana on their side, the second one.
So by Monday morning, they have two of the four states in their corner.
So that's why all of a sudden the papers are starting to talk up Lincoln as the second, because they've already grabbed those two states. But here's the problem. You gotta get these other two. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and they're not budget.
Okay, especially Pennsylvania. And uh they like Lincoln. But the plan for the Lincoln folks is to try to get 100 votes in the first round. And the reason for that is so that you clearly set yourself away from the rest of the field.
Well, that's ambitious. Twelve candidates, you want to get 100 out of 465. That's quite a goal to get a quarter of those votes. But the most important thing is in the next round, you want to build momentum. And you don't want this thing to go, you know, in 1852, it went 49 ballots.
You don't want that to happen because then you'll have a real dark horse coming out of nowhere to claim the nomination.
So they wanted this thing not to go too many ballots. It's scripted, much like a football coach would script the first 15 plays. You actually knew how many votes your guy was going to get in each round. No big surprises are going to occur unless somebody doesn't keep their promise.
So the problem with the Lincoln team. was they thought they had the first round hundred. They were worried about the second round. They weren't building momentum anywhere.
So they made the deal. All right, if Pennsylvania switched completely to Lincoln, if Lincoln won the election, that Simon Cameron was going to get a position on Lincoln's cabinet. And this is controversial. Many people claim that it was done for the good of the party. And they're going to go completely to Lincoln.
And that's how this is going to work.
So, second round. They're voting not alphabetically by states, but geographically from the Atlantic across to the Mississippi. All of a sudden, everybody sees what's happening when they get to Pennsylvania, and they drop Cameron, and 48 more votes go to Lincoln. And everybody thought, whoa, something's happening here. But Seward's picking up votes too.
Everybody else is not. And at the end of the second round, Seward is still winning. 184? Lincoln, 181. All right.
Third round. And now the advantage of having the home state. There's a huge Lincoln crowd. They probably printed fake tickets, but that just made a lot of noise. It didn't make any effect on the outcome.
What made an effect on the outcome is the platform seating. Because as the host delegation, you sat your delegations on the platform, and the 10,000 people are watching this whole process.
So, Judd. The guy that got Chicago as the site was in charge of the delegation seating, and it stayed the same for all three days, and nobody caught on. He surrounded New York. With all the other seward supporting states, they are locked in. And in all the undecided states Next to the Lincoln crowd.
So, what can't the Seward people do between rounds? They can't get up and log roll. In other words, try to coax votes from coming across. Seward folks are now going to be caught up in a sea of Lincoln. And after two rounds, it's 184 to 181.
Then you get to the third round, and I don't know how you get a half a vote, but at the end of the third round, Seward has 180. Lincoln has 231.5. Not quite there. They're about to start the ballot for the fourth, but four Ohioans announced that they're going to change this and end it. And on Friday at 2 p.m.
on May 18th, Lincoln will go over the top and he will win that nomination.
Now, I'm going to end today by giving you an irony and a lesson of this whole. nomination, the most momentous and perhaps exciting nomination in our history. History will tell us that within 11 months of that May convention, Fort Sumter is fired upon and the Civil War begins. But if you read the Republican Party platform of 1860, you can Google it up, it's there. It is so conciliatory to the South.
They use the term rights of the states. There's a Republican plank that says guaranteeing protection of Southern Institutions, which is a euphemism for slavery. Another plank for the protection of the fugitive slave law. It couldn't be more conciliatory to the South. And if you read those planks, it's almost as if Abraham Lincoln could have written it himself.
And I think, even though there's no paper trail to show it, it's one of the reasons why I got picked. He fit the platform so perfectly. Mm-hmm. In other words, The people that chose Abraham Lincoln at the Chicago Convention didn't choose him because they expected him to be the guy that was going to preside over secession and civil war. They chose Abraham Lincoln because they thought he would be the one to prevent it.
Had the delegates collected in Chicago really thought that secession was inevitable, Are they going to choose the Illinois lawyer without any prominent position, the two-time Senate loser? No way. They'll choose the statesman. And the lesson from all this is despite the best intentions and the best studied efforts, sometimes our best leaders are those that accomplish what was not expected of them rather than or in addition to what was expected of them. Thank you.
and a special thanks to Gary Eckelbarger, his work, The Great Comeback. And what irony indeed, perhaps the most momentous nomination process in American history. And the law of unintended consequences. They had actually nominated Lincoln thinking he'd prevent the war. But in the end, Lincoln helped start.
and win the war. The story of how Lincoln became the nominee here. on our American stories. Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio Music Festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there.
How did Ashes come together, Diplo? I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours. It was really cool.
He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. You can listen to the full episode out now wherever you get your podcast.
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