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If you eat too many ultra-processed foods, you could be starving your gut microbes, and they'll get hangry. That's one of many things I learned after working on a new audio course about the gut microbiome. You can learn how to keep your gut happy by listening to Try This from the Washington Post. I'm Christina Quinn. I host Try This.
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To search for the OurAmerican Stories podcast, go to the iHeartRadio app. to Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We recently had the pleasure of bringing World War II veteran John DeFour. 103 years old. into our studio with his entire family.
and listen to his incredible life story. This next story is all him sharing a bit about his early life, and the unlikely events that led him to serving in the Army. Here's John. Sidon, Mississippi, when I grew up, had 250 people. and it's cotton country.
I started to Greenwood High School and I was taking Latin. And uh I ask a question. And the teacher, and this may have been my imagination, because I didn't have a very strong self-image. But the teacher kind of made fun of my question. And so I just walked out of the clais.
I I think I was a little arrogant. Maybe more than a little. But anyway, I walked out and I walked out of the building and turned and go down the side of the building and when I was walking down by the classroom, I noticed a brick in the flowerbed.
So I just picked it up and Throw it through the window. And Then the school decided that I wasn't a very good fit.
So I didn't even know what expelled meant, but I learned.
So I had to go home and tell my school teacher mother. that they no longer wanted me. in Greenwood High School. And so she said, Well, Thank God there was no communication between schools. You can go to Idavena High School.
Itrovina was about 15 miles in another direction, they ran a school bus there too.
Well My second day I got in a fight with the uh School bus driver. And uh They were narrow minded. And they decided that maybe I did not need to be a student there either. My mother She was a good woman. But my mother had problems.
And uh Uh I left home. And I walked up the railroad and slept under a bridge. I got a job on a construction crew. and I got a room and a boarding home. And uh I worked there all summer and Yeah.
September came, and the foreman said, Well, John. I guess you'll be leaving now. because school's starting. And I said, no. Uh I'm not going back to school anymore.
I've quit. And he looked at me and said, Why? I said, I don't like Schoogle. And he said, You damn fool. And he said, you're fired.
Get off of this job. And so I had heard about More head, there was a agricultural high school and junior college there.
So I hitchhiked to Moorhead. And I went in and uh found the president's office. And uh I told him I didn't have any money, but I wanted to go to school there. It was boarding school also. And so He said, well, will you work?
And I said, of course, and he said, okay.
So I had a roommate named Robert. And uh Robert and I got your big Good friends, every weekend. We would slip off campus and get drunk and uh. Robert and I Decided we didn't need any more education, so we went to work on a construction job. We were work all week.
And uh go to the bars or wherever. And September. the second or third We went to a little bar and got drunk and I came home about two o'clock. And the next morning, The lady in the boarding house came in and woke me up and Said uh Robert killed himself last night. And last I could not believe it.
because he and I had played football and run track. Together for years and He never mentioned Suicide. And uh I was a palm bearer. And these They put the casket in a pine box. And Everybody left.
And there were two men. throwing dirt in on top of this And work. And uh I sat there. And I watched those clouds bouncing off the top of that pine box. And uh You're not going to believe this, but I don't expect you to.
But I heard a voice. And have never forgotten. John de Four You keep living the way you're living. And a few months Some clouds just like this will be bouncing off your casket. and the world will never know or care.
that you have left. And I was not mistaken.
Now, it was God or somebody looking after me. I win. to my boarding house and I got some clothes and I went straight out on the highway and hitchhiked. to Jackson, Mississippi. I had a hurried that Mississippi College was a Christian college.
and that everybody there was a Christian. It was a perfect place in my mind. I was scared to death. that I was going to kill myself just like Robert. And uh After I heard that voice, I knew it was time for me to change.
And you're listening to John DeFour tell his story. And my goodness, what a story it is. Growing up in a town with 250 people, getting thrown out of school not once but twice. And so he decides to hitchhike to a Christian college, Mississippi College. When we come back, more.
of the story of World War II veteran John DeFour. Here. on our American stories. This is Lee Habib, host of Our American Stories. Every day on this show, we tell stories of history, faith, business, love, loss, and your stories.
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of Memphis. Let's pick up Lujan. where we last left off. I wasn't a Christian, of course, when I went there. But I studied like crazy.
N After about two years, The professor offered me a scholarship. for the next semester. And uh I had a lady in one of my classes And uh She was a Excellent student and uh She kept talking to me about becoming a Christian. And I got really irritated and When the semester ended, I gave her a deal on the course. And she was a straight A student.
And the professor, who had sort of become a friend, said, Why did you do that? And I said, I don't like her. And he said, well, You can't give her bad grade because And so I changed it, of course. But anyway. She was very kind.
She didn't tell the professor that I'd given her D. He found it himself. She didn't report me. And uh She talked to me about God. The God that I had learned about was my mother's God.
And that would be the antithesis of everything that I would ascribe. to any form of divinity. And so. After she kept talking to me about Jesus Christ. I got a whole new message from this woman.
And so I became a Christian. I was talking one day to this guy on campus and he said, John, don't you play a musical instrument? And I said, Yeah, I play three or four. And he said, well, the band here. Hey, Zadala a rehearsal.
Why don't you join? And I thought, boy. Four dollars a month. And so I didn't ask any questions. I just Signed up, but what I didn't know.
Well, I didn't know. was it was a National Guard man. And that's why I was paid and sold. I did find in the band at about Six months after I joined. I came one day and the band director said, Gentlemen.
I have an announcement. We are being inducted into the Federal Service. And uh I didn't know what inducted meant. I found out but uh After the band rehearsal, I went up and I said, uh, Mr. Mackey, I'm very sorry, but I can't go.
He said, we're going to Camp Landing, Florida. for years training. And then you'll come back here. I said, I'm very sorry, but I can't go. I have other plans.
And he said, Young man, You're in the army. I said, well, I'm not going. He said, if you do not show up, do you know what we call that in the Army? And I said, no. He said, we called it desertion.
He said, you know what we'd do? We'd desert it? I said no, he said we shoot him. And I thought, well That doesn't sound very good.
So I went. for one year's training. Oh. Seven years later, I finished that one year's training because Pretty soon, Pearl Harbor came. And after that man, That was all she wrote.
You know. And I had had some previous military training. I went in as a private first class. And I saw And notice that they were allowing people with previous military training to take an examination to see if they could qualify for commission. as an officer.
And so I took the examination. with 250 people. And I came out at the top. of the class. And I was one day working in the latrine with my friend.
washing church one day and someone said, you got a message in the oil attent. And so I went to the orderly tent. And uh I said, you wanted a division headquarters.
Well, division headquarters. That's like Washington, D.C. I mean, like it used to be. And so I went to division headquarters. And I met One of the finest human beings I ever met in my life.
His name was General Major General John C. Persons. And he said, Private DeFour? You are now a second lieutenant. And he saluted me.
He pinned my bars on. And man, one minute I'm private first class. In one minute with those bars, I'm a second lieutenant. And so I was assigned to another unit and I was in a rifle company. And that was the beginning.
really of my military. Correa. When I became a Christian at Mississippi College, And then I I realized I was in the Army. I I knew I could never kill a human being. I just knew I could not kill a human being.
And I'm teaching these guys about trench warfare and particularly about bayonet practice. But even while I was doing all that, Oh, I knew I couldn't kill a man if I had to. And I thought about it. But then I go to New Guinea, And and I'm still process this in the mind. And One day I was on patrol.
And uh There were these long tall grasses that grew in the jungle. I'm not sure if I can do it. And Wherever there was a water hole, the grass grew around it. And so one day we were on a patrol. And uh We ran into Wadi And I stopped and lay down on the edge.
N We hadn't had no water all day, so I was drinking. out of this pond. It wasn't very clean, but I I took some in my hand and I was drinking. And uh I lay there just a minute, and all of a sudden I hear a noise. And A jab comes breaking through the grass.
And he lies down there and starts drinking water. And uh All of a sudden, I saw him. Say may. He turned his head and he saw me and then he whirled his rifle around and pointed it at me. And uh I had atomic uh And I shot him.
Six steps. And uh Um I got back to my Say fairy that night. We were all sleeping in the hole. And I started getting my hole and I thought, well, John, Your murderer. Today you killed a human being.
What? That's just kind of the way it is. When we were in these tents, right where we'd come off the ship, my neighboring unit got a call that. The 1st Battalion was going on a combat mission up the coast. They'd located a Japanese airstrip and they were kind of plotting our course and dropping bombs of artillery.
So this time we hadn't seen any combat.
Well man, I didn't know how I was going to function when I was being shot at.
So I just signed up to go as an observer with this outfit. And you've been listening to John DeFour share his story. And what a story indeed. He gets back to Mississippi College, joins the band. Turns out it was a National Guard band.
He finds out he has to go and train. He goes for a one-year stint. ends up staying seven and finds himself in the Pacific Islands face to face with his own death. When we come back, more of this remarkable life story. World War II veteran John DeForest's story continues here.
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Last time these teams met, Miami beat Houston, but they are a dangerous team having their manhood at stake. Then breakout star Dwight Howard of the LA Riot will battle Gary Payton's Boston squad in a do-a-die match for both teams. Will LA avenge their previous shocking loss to perennial basketball Boston rivals to survive? Six teams are allowed for four spots and all must win. Don't miss the big three, the three-on-three basketball league everyone is talking about.
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So, if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Uh And we're back with our American stories and with John DeFour. When we last left off, he just signed up to be an observer on a combat mission. Fighting the Japanese.
Let's pick back up. where we just left off. There was another officer. Who is columnist and observer? and a chaplain and a medic.
all go on this observation. We kinda we we went up kind of along the beach half in the beach and half in the jungle. And it wasn't really a bad trip up. But what we didn't know was See, we are brand new. We didn't know.
These Jap troops had been there for three years. And they are seasoned Battle troops and we are rank. Or a kiss. And no. When they found out we were coming up the beach, They just vacated the airstrip.
and moved back out on the back side opposite from the way we were approaching. and built up a Whole fire line, and we came to this airstrip, and it looked like it was deserted. And stupid Yankees, we go in and everybody's just having a good time. walking around, playing, looking at things. And then all of a sudden, All hell broke loose.
They had snipers in the trees. They had men dug in. in the middle of the area with a Tops made to their foxhold. And they were topping all these. foxhold, and all of a sudden Every way you looked, somebody was shooting.
And uh There was a heavy machine gun that was about 50 yards in front of me and I hit the Ground. And I was absolutely panic-stricken. And my blood turned to ice water. and I could not move. I was lying on the ground with my arms outstretched.
but I couldn't move. And I thought, I've got to do something, I've got to move. N And I was terrified. I couldn't think. I couldn't move.
But I could feel, I could feel the bullets when that guy would make a sweep. I could feel the bullets cutting the grass and the grass was falling down my neck. And uh All of a sudden, Someone said. Hey long, John. And I turned and looked, and here's a Catholic chaplain.
Over there, he said. You want a vanilla wafer? I promise you. And he's digging in his fatigue jacket and he pulled out a box of another waif. And slide mower.
The grass and said, My mother sent them to me, best vanilla waif as you'll ever eat. Help yourself. And I thought Well I'll pay dear. And I took a couple of another wife. And my ice water all turned to blood.
and my panic and fear vanished. And I handed him the box back. And Then I kinda took charge and Got a few men together. And we got together a little firefight. and got out of that trap.
But the vanilla wafers saved my life. And uh This is a great guy. He was killed a couple of weeks later. trying to rescue a man Who was? Stranded out and wounded, the chaps.
had a habit they would w get a man wounded and they put machine guns covering to take care of the people who came to. pick him up, you know, and they'd been giving orders nobody could rescue him. and chaplain O'Connor went out. I wasn't I wasn't there. He was with another outfit.
And uh But I talked to you.
Some of the medics Who picked up the body? Yeah. And they said, He had a box with no wafers in his pocket. Yeah. When they found him.
And If you ever come to my office. Look in the bottom right hand drawer of my desk. I got a box right there, right now. I have kept them. Since a war.
Uh I don't like to tell this. But the Japs were smarter soldiers. They had one contingent. that we hit one time called them Imperial Marines. They were all over six feet tall and had all been trained in jungle fighting.
They all carried samurai swords. And they were great swordsmen. But One day, just by accident, I ran into a bunch of chaps. And we killed all of 'em but one. And this was prior to the operation, to the landing on Luzon.
Where MacArthur went back to. and we needed all the prisons we could get. to try to get information about the placement of troops on Lausanne. And uh We were marching. him back to our area.
and a PT boat was supposed to come along the beach. and pick up these prisoners of war. But it got dark and the Petey boat couldn't Come in.
So we had to keep them overnight. And uh Uh my man, this was late in the war and nobody wanted to keep him. because they were not safe. to be around, prisoners or not. I had heard this, thank God.
that this Japanese officer Had been Captain And He was being brought back to the house. the land And uh He spoke perfect English. And he begged. the capturing officer. not kill him.
He said, I have a wife and I have children and this war will soon be over. for me and for you and you'll go home. and do anything with me, but please, please don't kill me. I don't want to die. And this officer.
gave in. And then He let his guard down. And this man who had begged for his life took this guy's pistol and killed him.
Well This told God that I had was talking to me the same way. He said, Do anything, but just don't kill me. He said, I'm not mad at you, Americans. You're not mad at me. And he said, you don't know me and I don't know you.
And just whatever you do, don't kill me.
Well I'll listen to this. I guess maybe it took us An hour to get back to Area. And He was very convincing. And Then I remembered this incident that had happened.
Well, this man had done the same thing.
So I turned around. And uh And I had to recommend that. Mm-hmm. And I killed it. Ha ha ha ha ha.
I wonder sometimes. About that guy. And what a story you're hearing. From John DeFour, it's true that war is hell, and he's describing that hell in vivid detail. He was a part of it.
He recalled that one story when US troops were on an airfield that he was a part of seizing, only to find out that the Japanese had lured them into a trap, snipers up high, Marksmen dug in trenches. During that firefight, there was that chaplain offering him a vanilla wafer. And in the midst of combat, It eased Lieutenant Bufford's fears. And to this day, John told us. Those vanilla wafers.
or still in his office. They're still close by. When we come back, more of John DeFore's story, a World War II veteran, a fellow Mississippian. Here. on our American stories.
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Last time these teams met, Miami beat Houston, but they are a dangerous team having their manhood at stake. Then breakout star Dwight Howard of the LA Riot will battle Gary Payton's Boston squad in a do-a-die match for both teams. Will LA avenge their previous shocking loss to perennial basketball Boston rivals to survive? Six teams are alive for four spots and all must win. Don't miss the big three, the three-on-three basketball league everyone is talking about.
There's no crying in the big three, and the no-hold spot action starts Saturday at 4 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Pacific. Followed by two games on Vice starting at 6.30 Eastern. Presented by iHeart.
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In this final segment, he'll be talking about life. After the war. His family. and his wife Marion Sue. who was joining us during this interview.
Well, you'll hear from them briefly. in the end of this segment. Let's return. to John with the rest of his story. This girl I had Ask her to marry me.
three years earlier before I went overseas. She'd written me a letter every day. It didn't always get him. But I went to side in Mississippi. And I was ready to get married the minute I hit Sidon.
Of course, she kept talking about receptions and flowers and things like that. But I just wanted to go to the justice of peace. That didn't work. We got married and uh We drove from Sidon. I wanted to spend the night in the Peabody Hotel because that was where my mother and father spent their wedding night.
And uh Ha ha. This is a little bit embarrassing, but We went to bed. And in the middle of the night, I had a nightmare. You know, they call it PTSD. P T S D is when You replay a bad scene in your mind.
And it Control. Yeah. perception of reality. And all of a sudden, in the middle of the night, I was screaming and cussing and fighting Japs like crazy. Man, they were just flooded over the walls and everything.
N And my wife is Wide-eyed back leaning against the headboard, saying, What's the matter with you? Are you crazy? Have you lost your mind? What in the world? And I thought she was going to leave because she was absolutely terrified.
Well, I was trying. to explain What was the matter at two o'clock in the morning on my wedding night? And uh it was very difficult there for a while. We almost got a divorce before daylight, but there was no JP there. But uh she finally got accustomed to and and she could talk me.
down usually. There's an existential Alas for I think it's Hansir, yea. who made the statement. There's no difference. between the homicide And so sir.
And uh I want to tell you. That's true. Because You can't kill another human being. You can't cut a man's throat. Without injuring yourself?
I promise myself. when I was discharged. from that hospital. that I would never Put on a uniform, carry a gun, Oh Talk about the war. Ever.
Man Sue and I were working in Manila. We worked for holiday inns. And we worked mostly in the eastern area with China, Japan and places like that. And uh When we came in, we came off and we were in the middle. And I said, I want to see Corregidor.
And so Yeah. We got on the boat and we were going to Corrigidor and I'm sitting in the the benches across the seats, the boat. It was just packed and I'm sitting there and I see this young man. Sitting next to me. He looked like he was Younger.
And I said, What why are you going to see Corrigidor? And uh He said, you really want to know? I could tell he was American. He said, you really want to know? And I said, yeah, he said, well, my father was over here during the war and said he never talked about the war.
He never said a word about the war. And up to this time, I had never talked to anybody about the war. Ever. And he looked at me and he said, He said, Do you have sons? I said, yeah, I have four sons.
He said, have you talked about the war to your boys? And uh I said No. Never. He said, This is a total stranger. He said, promise me.
As soon as you get home. You'll talk to your boys about the war. My daddy never talked about, and I've always wondered about this big blank spot in his life. And he said, I'm over here trying to put together the little pieces. that I found out about my daddy in the war, and I want you to promise me you'll talk to your son.
And I said I promise I didn't mean it. But we went on to Corrigidor and looked around.
Well Late that afternoon when we were coming back, I was out back watching the waves and he came and found me. Yeah. And I didn't even know his name. He said, you made me a promise. I said, I'll be to him.
And uh He said. You didn't mean it. I said Nowaday, he said, I want a promise. It came the third time, I want a promise. And when I got home, Uh started talking about the war.
I found that All four of my sons. had had nightmares about the war what I had married. O my inside. came out in there. unconscious thinking.
My sons. of the four most beautiful men I've ever known. And they were They were very kind. And I could not have Ask them. to have reacted.
With more. compassion and understanding. And I I wish that I had started talking. years earlier. But you know I laugh and say, Bunny.
that I know I'm I have crazy. Because with what I've been through, I couldn't be Totally, completely sane. But so far I've been able to pass all the time. Yeah. All the tests.
Yeah. William the Council German. was a Union general during the war, led the troops all the way across Georgia, North Carolina. the ocean. One day Talking to him.
Hey. gave us and often quoted Phrase, war is hell. Every day you get up and you go. Earning. And you just look for somebody to kill all day long.
And And you kill him and you don't even bury him, you just walk off. after you search him. And that's crazy. It is insanity. And I wish that to people who talk about war.
had to either send their children or go themselves. I hope if the man in Washington Besides to protect us if China attacks Formosa. Or wherever. We fight. I hope he'll send his son first.
I have looked in the mirror and said, my God. Are you that man? And I had to say yes. But I wasn't proud of What? Everybody in this room has their freedom today.
Because of what you get. Yep. And we are proud to say it.
Well I'd rather it had been you than me at the night like that. We're proud of you. Thank you. And a special thanks to Madison Derricott for producing that piece and You Heard John's Family. 'Cause John was breaking down, regretting what he'd done in the war.
Regretting having killed so many people, and they had to come in and just help him and save him. from his own feelings of grief decades and decades later. And what a story he told. There's no difference between a homicide and a suicide, John said. You can't kill another human being.
without injuring yourself. The story of John DeFour, a story of war. The story of its aftermath. And the story of so much more. Here.
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