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Roberto Clemente was a Puerto Rican professional baseball right fielder who played 18 seasons. of the Pittsburgh Pirates. After his early death in a plane crash, he was posthumously inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. In nineteen seventy three. becoming both the first Caribbean and the first Latin American player.
to be enshrined. Dwayne Reeder runs the Clemente Museum in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And not only has had the honor of commemorating a childhood hero, but also serving that hero's widow, Vera. Here's Duane. I grew up a pirate fanatic and just loved Roberto Clemente and I grew up looking at the Pittsburgh Press and there was this little section in the middle called the Roto section and it had color.
It had some color almost like newspapery kind of little magazine in the center of the paper. And I just remember this roto section. They did it on Roberto Clemente once, and there's these photos of him looking as cool as you could get. And he's standing on a bridge that's over top of a moat going around his house. And in these fancy clothes, he's got a leash.
and it's connected to a monkey. He had a pet monkey that he brought back from Nicaragua for his kids. That's like movie stuff. You know, as a kid, you're just like, wow, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. He's got a pet monkey.
And who has a bridge to their house over a moat? We're living in an apartment in the country and can barely pay rent. Dirt, dirt, poor. And there's this guy that's just the coolest. It's just like it's burned in my brain.
And then he dies on New Year's Eve of 1972, and he's gone. Like that, like bang. No more comente.
So now roll the cameras to 1994. I'm walking across that bridge. And I get to do this calendar on Roberto Clemente with the Clemente family and go to the Clemente house. And I knock on the door to the house, and it's a baseball bat with a 21 on it. And I go knock, knock, knock.
And Vera opens the door and she's like, Hola, Duenai. And I'm not a hugger. And she's a hugger and she hugs me and squeezes me. And I'm like, I'm being hugged by an angel. Just unbelievable.
And I honestly felt this aura of something going up to heaven. I actually thought, oh my gosh, this is the coolest moment of my life.
So I get to go inside the house, and she's showing me around and showing us all the stuff. We sit down at a table, and I brought the six photos that we had already completed back in our studio to get her approval. She had to sign off on these photos, and these were things that we were able to collect or borrow, like Clemente's cleats, or bats, or balls, things like that. You know, Roberto's gone, and so we have to do these still lifes. And we were spending weeks on each photograph.
The cover photograph took Three weeks. And if you tell, you know, you tell kids today that are photographers, they want to shoot a shot in three seconds. It goes into the computer, bang, they do some read, you know, a little bit of Photoshop and boom, moving on. We set this shot up. We shot it with an 8x10 view camera with the bellows with a black dark cloth.
You know, you put the dark cloth over it so you can see to focus, and we processed one sheet of 8x10 inch film at a time in a processor that took about 40 minutes and overnight to dry.
So it was like, we really put our heart and soul into these first six shots.
Now I'm at the house. And um She loved them. She loved the six photos. And she's pulling things out to show me and say, Hey, what do you want to photograph next? And I'm sitting at this table in the center of her house, and I said, Do you have any rings?
And she goes, Oh, rings, yes, I have rings. I'll be right back. And it was the coolest thing that ever happened. She went up to this wall, there was like a painted mural. Probably 20 feet by 10 feet high, and she hits a little button, and something slid to the side, and boom, she disappeared.
So she had like this secret door that just like opened up, she disappeared into it, came back out with this wooden box with a brass plaque on it. It was a quote from Danny Murtoff from the 71 World Series about if you think that they're down and out of this series, you're crazy. And she opens a box and she goes, here, would these rings work? I look in the box, and there's the 60 World Series ring and the 71 World Series ring, each worth about $350,000 a piece. And I'm the biggest jerk in the world at this moment.
I said Well, no, do you do you have any other rings? And she looks at me like... What? And I was like. What you know, other rings like all-star rings and don't you have some of the other rings?
And she goes, well, no, these are the only two rings I have. And I'm like, well, what about the 61 all-star ring? See, I knew this story. He never wore either of those two rings. That's why they were in that box.
That's why they were brand new. They were shiny. They had never even been touched. He would wear the 61 All-Star ring because that was his moment. 60, we win the 60 World Series, but that's Bill Mazarowski's Maz hits the homer in the ninth inning to walk it off.
Roberto was great in that World Series, but it just he wasn't the MVP. He wasn't the MVP of the league that year, even though his numbers were the best and he should have been. And he just felt slighted, and so he bowed never to wear that ring. 61, he comes out and he's a man on fire. And he's like, I'm going to show everybody.
You're not going to keep me down. I'll show you. And he wins everything in 61. He wins his first Silver Slugger Award. He wins his first gold glove.
And he's the MVP of the All-Star Game. Plays all 10 innings and drives in the winning run, and just is like unbelievable in that All-Star game. And he gets this ring with like a blue stone in it. And I was born in 1961. And so I I want that 61, I want to do a photograph and theme it 1961.
And so I tell her I want, you know, 61 all-star ring and she looks at me and she goes, Well In their houses, these big giant windows facing the ocean. And she's nodding her head towards the glass. And she goes, you know, he was he was wearing it when he And I'm like, wait, I... I don't understand what and she goes, you know. He was wearing it when the plane crashed.
And now I'm like, wow. I'm the biggest jerk in the world. And I look over and now she's crying. And then I'm crying. But that's our moment.
That's our moment right there that we had together. I made her cry, but she then knew that I had some passion or something in me to kind of push for that ring. I just didn't know. That made total sense. Of course, he was wearing it when he died.
That's the ring he wore.
So, you know, but you just don't think of those things. And so she said, here, you can take these two rings back to Pittsburgh.
So we do, and we there's a whole photograph. One of the pages has the 71 All-Star Ring sitting on that box so that you could read Murtaugh's quote. And that was the moment that I really, you know, her and I kind of bonded. I spent the next two days in the house photographing all these things. The house was just filled to the ceiling with trophies.
He won everything you could ever imagine. He loved to play pool, and they had a pool table in the middle of the house. And you couldn't see one piece of the green felt because it was completely filled with silver trophies, silver bowls, and all these plaques. And all it was literally like six feet high. It's just filled with trophies.
There was all the 12 gold gloves were all together. I'm the first and only person to ever photograph all 12 of them. I lined them all up. We went and got some new white bed sheets and we made like a little mini studio.
So that was two incredible days. She barely knows me at that point, just as a photographer from Pittsburgh working on his calendar. She lets me leave the next day. Back to Pittsburgh with over a million dollars worth of memorabilia. And so to have that kind of trust.
And then I guess the good part of the story is she got all those things back where, for the last 20 years of her life, she would loan a piece of memorabilia to someone and they'd never bring it back. And then after we complete the calendar and I go, you know, she gets everything back that I brought over. I go back down in 1996 to do a story on Roberto, and that's when I start asking some questions and I start telling her, listen. You have a lot of things that are missing. You shouldn't trust anybody.
Don't give them originals. I can help you with your photographs. Don't loan out any original photos. I'll take back the photos here that are in your house that have been getting wet and moldy, and I'll start fixing those. You can have people call me, and you can get out of the middle, and then you can quit giving the originals up because people aren't giving them back to you, and they're just keeping them.
And so that's when we decided in 1996 to start this archive of photos. that then led to the museum. And we're listening to Dwayne Reader tell a heck of a love story. about his own affection and passion. for the life and legacy.
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Became the personal archivist to the Clemente family long before the museum. came to be. Back to Dwayne.
So Then I start helping the family with an archive for 10 years. Until the All-Star Game happens in 2006 here at PNC Park, and Vera came over here after meeting with the Pirates and asked if I would host the Clemente Family Party. But that day that she asked me in June of 2006, It was just my photography studio on the first floor, and the archive room was up on the second floor. I was like, Vera, there's nothing clemente on the first floor. That's what most of the party's going to be.
And I know your crowd is going to be a little bit older. It's going to be all the Latin players like Orlando Cepeda and Juan Marischelle and Manny Sanguin and Cesar Sedeno and all those guys are coming to this party and they don't want to go up and down the steps. And she goes, Oh, it's okay. We'll have the food and the wine and the dancing on this floor. And I went.
Wait a minute, there's going to be dancing? She's like, Oh, we're Puerto Rican, we dance. And I'm like, All right, I'm in, let's do this.
So I tell her then it's about beginning of June. The party's going to be on July 9th. She flies back to Puerto Rico with her kids. And I transformed what's pretty much the museum today. Yeah, I think it's a very good idea.
Just for her party. But they get in early, they get in on the morning of the 8th, and they call me and said, Hey, is there a way we could all come out there tonight and meet? Because everybody's flying in, and most people haven't been there. And we'll come out, you know, and have a glass of wine and just a walk around before the party. And I'm like, oh yeah, that'd be awesome.
I'd rather get you guys in here while we can talk.
So they show up and there's 30 of them. And the three clementes Vera And her two sons, Luis and Roberto, had been there before that. They knew the empty space. The other 27 have never been there. And some of them have never been to Pittsburgh.
So they come walking in, and on the beginning of the building, we have a photograph of Roberto that was found in a dumpster when the Pittsburgh Press was bought out by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. An image of Roberto jumping up in the air in 1960 in Fort Myers, Florida. And he lines up with these clouds. The clouds make angel wings. You can look it up.
It's out there now to the public. It's leaked out of here. The family wanted me to keep it for the movie poster. But it's been photographed by tens of thousands of people. They put it out on the internet.
Some guys even sell it on eBay, which they're not allowed, but I can't quit my job and sit here and police eBay all day. But there's this big photograph and it's 82 inches by 82 inches.
So it's big. And the 30 Clementes, they all come walking in. And I don't speak Spanish and I'm embarrassed by that, but I've never, I'm just so busy here and I've just never had the time to just sit down and try to learn Spanish. And so they all come in and it gets really noisy and they're all talking and rumbling. And I'm pretty close with Luis at that point.
And I said to Luis Clemente, I said, Luis, are they? What are they saying? Are they mad? And he goes, oh no, they're not mad. They just wanna know.
Who are you? Are you Puerto Rican? How did you do all this? And where did that image come from? And it was like bees in a beehive, right?
They were just buzzing. That was an awesome one because the image is the greatest image, I'd say the greatest baseball photograph ever taken. But the magical moment was, I had just acquired. A wedding album for Roberto and Vera. And I knew for a fact that she didn't have her own wedding album.
This was an album that was put together by Roberto's best friend, Phil Dorsey, who was really into photography, and he was Roberto's best friend. And so he spent a couple days with Roberto leading up to the wedding, and then the whole wedding day, and then a day or two after. He had taken 150 photographs that no one in Puerto Rico had ever seen. And he had just passed away, and his son broke into the house and stole a bunch of boxes of clemene stuff during the memorial service and sold was putting all this stuff up on eBay for sale. And I knew for a fact that she didn't have her own wedding album because I was restoring the two wedding photos that she had in her house that got ruined by sunlight.
And I was working on those, and that's when she told me someone borrowed her wedding album from her house and never brought it back. And so. I saw this on eBay and I'm like, I gotta get this wedding album. And at the moment in time, my wife didn't have her wedding album because I was the photographer for my own wedding, pretty much. And so I had to make prints myself.
And so, you know how the cobbler's kids never have shoes, right?
So the photographer's wife didn't have her wedding photos. And so I had an assistant at the time, and I said, David, get in the darkroom and start making my wedding. I picked all the images I wanted to put in a book. I said, You got to get these done because I'm buying a wedding album off eBay for Roberto and Vera, and I got to have mine done in case I get caught by my wife.
So. David's into Darkroom Printing. I win the bid on eBay. I had to pay $3,500 to get this wedding album, which now that would be cheap, but this was back in the 90s.
So the wedding album comes and it's way, way better than I ever thought. Just unbelievable photos. One cool thing is he played a baseball game the day before the wedding for a team in Ponce, Puerto Rico, and he wasn't on that team, so he didn't have their uniform. He plays in a full Pittsburgh Pirate uniform with this Ponce team. And there's three or four, five photos of Phil Dorsey with the players.
And there's Roberto in the lineup with the pirate uniform on. And there's all these just incredible photographs. They go out on a boat and they're fishing the day before and they get some really cool shots. They go to the beach. I have the only photograph in the world of Roberto in a bathing suit.
And he's ripped. He was always in really good shape. He had a scar on his arm and he wore the long-sleeved wool undershirt that the pirates would give him. He wore them all the time. He wore it in every baseball game he ever played in because he didn't want anybody to see this scar.
So there he is out on the end of a dock. They're getting ready to go fishing. And he's sitting there in his shorts and his wool undershirt.
So I got these really cool, cool shots.
So I have it all set up in the back of the museum, in the back of the firehouse, with a light on this book, technically a wedding album. And I say, Hey, Vera, I have a little something for you back here. And I walk them all in there, and there's this album, and they just go crazy. The tears just start flying out. They're all talking Spanish and crying and looking and saying, Oh, there's Papito, Papito, and there.
You know, a lot of the people in the photos. Have passed away. And a lot of these kids, these are their parents, and they're gone, and they've never seen these photos. And it's just this, oh man, it's just this wonderful moment where they get to see all these photos that they'd never seen before of their family members. And it was just like, That was a win-win-win right there.
The Angel Wings was good, but the wedding album was the icing on the cake. And the next day is going to be the party. And we've got... It's a big success. And Vera makes a comment: you know, at that point, I'm Dwayne the archivist, and I have an archive of photos.
But most people don't even know what archive means.
So Vera makes this comment, she goes, hey Duane, you know, it's like a museum here now. And I was like, whoa. That's something archive, it's cool and all. And I'm glad, you know, we're so lucky that we were able to acquire all these photos and negatives and everything that we had. But no one knows what an archive is, you know, but museum, that's something you can sink your teeth into.
So the very next day, we made up a flyer and we called it the Clemente Collection at that point because legally I wasn't allowed to say the Clemente Museum because I didn't have that in writing yet with the family. But we started going around town with these flyers and dropping them off at hotels with concierges and stuff like that and started giving tours that day, the day after the party. I haven't stopped since. And a terrific job on the storytelling and production. By Robbie Davis and Monty Montgomery.
And a special thanks to Dwayne Reeder. for sharing his story with us and his passion. with us for the Clemente Legacy. And what a story it is indeed. Dwayne's a fan.
And he wants to get to know the family and preserve that legacy, and he fights for it. and he pays out of his own pocket for it and ultimately gains the trust of this family. A white man from Pittsburgh, a Puerto Rican family coming together around a shared passion and love. Roberto Clemente and his legacy. A classic American story.
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