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[Memorial Day Special] Karl Marlantes: How I Came to Terms with My Navy Cross

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[Memorial Day Special] Karl Marlantes: How I Came to Terms with My Navy Cross

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May 26, 2025 3:02 am

Carl Merlantis recounts his experiences during the Vietnam War, including a harrowing story of trying to save a fallen Marine and earning the Navy Cross. Meanwhile, the importance of financial literacy is highlighted, and the benefits of using an AI assistant like Claude are discussed.

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That would be the Navy Cross. But Carl often asked himself a question. Why did he receive the awards when others who hadn't been awarded had done so much more? Here's Carl with the story. The NVA had dug in on a couple of hills on Mudders Ridge, and at that time I had been promoted to the company executive officer. We were on the assault, and I couldn't stand to not be with my platoon because I'd just given them up to take the new job and the brand new platoon commander. I'd only been in one firefight, so I joined the platoon just to help out. And there was a kid that was clearly panicked, and if you don't seat the magazine of your of your M-16 correctly, it won't work. And he was, his hands were trembling, and he was on the ground, and there was a machine gun nest above us, and you know, and I hit the ground next to him, and he was just shaking with fear.

I knew him, good kid, and I could see right away that he hadn't seated his magazine. That was what he was, because he thought his weapon had failed him, and so I took the rifle from him, and I seated the magazine correctly, and I handed it back to them, and I said, don't go up there, don't go up above. We were in a little sort of, definitely a little sort of very shallow dip in the ground, so the bullets were flying over our head, and so we were safe where we were. I said, don't go up there, because they had cut the jungle away from the ground up about to knee height.

Everything else was hidden by the, all the foliage, but if you put your eye on the ground, it was absolutely clear all the way up to the machine guns, and it was, it's a classic tactic. They'll shoot your legs, and then when your, when your legs go, your body goes down into that same kill zone, and then they take you out, hit your body, and he nodded his head, and said, yeah, I don't see, so I, I said, okay, and I took off, because I had other things that I had to do. I was trying to keep this assault organized, and he took off running straight up the hill toward the machine gun, and I, to this day, I don't know why he did that, and my guess is that he felt, I'm guessing that he felt embarrassed or something, because he had, he had sort of gotten down on the ground and gotten scared, and he was gonna, you know, not be scared anymore, and I get tearful, because he charged that machine gun.

Well, he went down. I heard him say, I'm hit, and I couldn't see him, but I could hear him up there, and the bullets going over, and I came running back, and the platoon sergeant heard him cry out, too, and he came out the other way, and I said, you know, it's, won't use his name, and it was like, now what are we gonna do, because he's up there, he's alive, because I heard him cry out his hit, and so I remember thinking, I mean, this is really weird. I wanted a medal, and I remember going like, you know, if you, you're not, I'm not in charge of the platoon. I was sort of just supernumerary, because I just left the company headquarters, I mean, headquarters, I mean, it's stupid, it's, they were just, you know, 100 yards away from me, but, but I remember thinking, I made a joke with Gunny Ring, he was in a staff sergeant, and I said, if I go up and get him, I said, you write me up for a medal, and, you know, and he looked at me, and he said, yeah, I'll write you up for a medal, it'll be posthumous, you know, that banter went right back and forth, but I wanted to go get the kid, because, you know, he was in my platoon, and I knew he was in trouble, and at the same time, it was like, you know, grab a little glory here.

It's hard to imagine, but, you know, you're 22, 23 years old, and it's, that's in your, that's in your psyche, I think. So I went up there with mixed motives, and in order to reach him, I had to keep the heads of the machine gunners down, so they couldn't, they couldn't be firing at me, and, and actually aiming, and so I, I was firing my M16 at the machine guns, it was a one machine gun in a bunker up above us, and crawling up this really steep hill, I mean, very steep, and shooting up at the machine gun, and I found the kid, and I remember trying to drag him down the hill, but I couldn't move him, he was a big kid, and so I wrapped myself around him, and turned ourselves sideways, and so I could roll with him, and so with rifle between us, and me grabbing him, and rolling, I roll all the way back down, got him down there, and Doc Yankee was there, he, he was a Navy corpsman, and started working on him right away, and then he stopped. Then, I never forget this, because it's, it's so, these Navy corpsmen are just incredible people, he was sucking vomit out of this kid's mouth, and blood, and spitting it to try and keep him alive, and I was just sitting there, you know, watching this, I mean, and all this is happening in maybe a few minutes, and he stopped, and he looked up at me, and he, and he held his head, and pointed to his head, and there was a bullet hole in it, and he said, I can't save him, and he dropped him, and took off, because he had other wounded people screaming for help, and I started thinking, if he was alive, and talking, and there was a bullet in his head, how could he be alive, and there was a bullet in his head, how could he be alive, and talking, and it suddenly hit me, it's like, my God, maybe I put the bullet in his head. That's a horrible feeling, and it wouldn't have felt so bad if my motives had been pure, but my motives weren't pure, and so, although I was brave, I was brave for mixed motives, I wanted to go save him, but at the same time, I did kind of want to get a medal, I wanted it, you know, well, be careful what you wish for, and to this day, I don't know if, if I killed him, or the NBA killed him, because the bodies got stacked up in stacks on the hill, and unfortunately, a mortar round hit all the bodies, and it was just carnage, all these guys, you know, just hours before it had been alive, and friends of yours, and you don't, you haven't seen anything, you don't know what carnage means, until you see a mortar round hit a bunch of bodies. Boy, how did I get on, okay, so anyway, we went through several days of being assaulted by this larger NBA unit, that we had just managed to insert ourselves into a regiment that had been on the move down Mudders Ridge, so they sort of sealed us off, because we were right back in their path, all their resupply and everything, and that's why we got surrounded, and I can remember, we counted out the bullets, because it was monsoon, we couldn't get resupplied, and we had seven bullets left each, we redistributed all of our ammunition, so everybody had seven bullets, and we knew that the next assault would be all over, it was really as close as I've come to, you know, mortality, and we managed to get out of it, because the clouds cleared just enough to bring in ammunition and reinforcements, after several days of really hard fighting, we had been kicked off of one hill, and we had a colonel that was, you know, and he said, well you got to take back that hill you were kicked off of, you got to get your pride back, and I was like, I don't want to get my pride back, I mean, we're exhausted, and we've lost a whole bunch of our friends, and you know, anyway, order is an order, and so we had to go into the assault the next morning. And you've been listening to Carl Merlantis tell the story of what happened on a hill decades ago.

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Let's continue with the story. We'd been mortared for days. So this larger enemy unit had mortar positions, and you can't keep mortars supplied with ammunition unless there's a lot of people packing mortars.

So it was a pretty big unit. We went through the jungle, got on the edge of the jungle where we'd been cleared away by napalm. And we're all lined up, ready to go, and the word comes to kick off. And you don't charge. You don't run. You're laden with ammunition. And if you try to run up a hill, you're exhausted, and you won't make it.

You walk up. When you're in an assault, you walk, which is really hard when you're being shot at. And the whole line of bunkers up above us, the NVA were in them, opened up with machine guns. Well, the whole line of Marines went down to the ground, took cover behind logs, falling logs, and hit the ground. And the assault stopped. Now what?

I'm the guy in charge. And if we stayed where we were, the mortars would start hitting us because I knew that they'd been shooting us for days, and so they'd be zeroed in on us. Marines don't retreat.

It's just not something we do. So there's only one thing to do. I have to get all these guys up off the ground and take out those machine guns.

And there was a guy at the basic school, a red-headed major named Miller. And I remember him telling us, he says, you know, you lieutenants, think about this. He says, the corporals and sergeants can do everything you do technically.

They can do everything. But someday, you're going to know when you're going to earn your pay. There's going to be a day, the time is going to come when you are going to earn your pay, and you'll know it when it happens. I can remember him saying that. I was on that hill with a whole line of Marines down on the ground, about to get hit by mortars. And oh, this is what Major Miller was talking about. And here's the difference, is that my motives then were, I got to get these guys out of this pickle.

I was just purely trying to think about how to stop the slaughter that was going to come, if we didn't move. And all this is going on in seconds. I mean, it takes me a long time to tell it, but it really goes by.

It was really a short period of time. And I had an out-of-body experience. And to this day, I can't tell you if that was a spiritual experience or a psychotic experience, but believe me, this is what I did. I left my body and I looked at the whole situation from some vantage point way up in the sky. I saw everybody laid out on the line. I saw where all the machine guns were up above us. I saw the bunker complex.

I figured it all out by looking at it from up in the sky. And I came back down into my body and I started to shout at people to get, you know, like I said, get the M79, man. I want you to take that bunker out. I want you to keep firing at it because we got to keep that machine gun quiet because I got to get this other machine gun quiet.

And if we can get between these two machine guns, then we can start to open up by going down the line and they won't be able to shoot us because they got us in a crossfire. I mean, I was thinking all these things. And there was a brand new kid. I don't even know his name.

He came in with the replacements the day before. Skinny African-American kid, you know, he should have been playing basketball for his high school and he was a machine gunner. And I said, you got to take that machine gun under fire.

You got to take it under fire now and keep it, keep their heads down so that we can get up in between these two bunkers and then we can take them out. And he laid down and started firing very controlled, three shots, four shots, perfect fire control. And I can remember thinking, thank God somebody trained this kid.

Because if you go too fast, you burn your barrels up and you're out of ammo. And as I ran down the line to keep organizing people, I remember seeing his blood pumping out of his leg. It was an arterial wound because when it pumps like that, it's arterial. I don't know if he lived or not because we lost a lot of guys and I don't, I didn't even know his name. So I don't know if he's the one who lived or died.

He might have been wounded in a medevac or he might've died, but he kept that bunker down and they're no metal for him. So anyway, now, now what? I still got to get everybody up off the ground. And so I thought the only thing I could do was stand up and charge those bunkers.

That's what I did. I said, you know, Major Miller, this is, you know, I remember his voice saying, this is when you earn, earn your pay. And so, so I stood up and I started up the hill all by myself. And it seemed like an eternity, but it probably was about four or five seconds, literally. And I noticed slight movement out of the corner of my eye and I hit the ground and whirled to shoot at it. Cause I thought it was NBA and it was Harding who was a really young squad leader, but really bright kid. And behind Harding came the entire platoon.

All of them, all of them came up the hill swarming up the hill behind me. I mean, I get emotional, just thinking about it to this day. You know, yeah, that's why you want to be a Marine.

By God, that's right there. That's why you want to be a Marine because of that heart. They all came up the hill and took out the bunkers. A lot of them, you know, we lost a lot of wounded. Somebody said that there were about 180 in the company, 120 Purple Hearts during that one week long or eight day long fight. So I got the Navy cross for that.

And I feel good about that one. Well, I can say that the Navy cross is like, you can't go to a Navy base or a Marine base in the world and buy a drink. I mean, if you're a Navy cross holder, you're put into a special category.

How do you live with that? The kid that was holding that machine gun under his machine gun fire, pumping blood, no medal for that kid. And yet I got a medal. I thought about it a lot because I remember that, you know, the war that a lot of the Vietnam veterans against the war, who, you know, I mean, I thought the war was stupid too and wrong. So I was on their side politically, but they started throwing their medals away. I couldn't do that.

I couldn't throw that Navy cross away or any of my medals. And I said, why is that? And I said, because the analogy is the newspapers report who made the touchdown. It's the half back or full back that makes the touchdown. They never report on the fact that the entire line was blocking.

They never report on the entire line was blocking. And that touchdown was impossible without everybody on the team doing their part. And so I hold that Navy cross the same way that I think that somebody who is an adult holds how he got his name in the paper for making a touchdown.

He knows full well, the paper gave him the credit for the touchdown, but it was, it would not have happened without the whole team. So that isn't my metal. That's my unit's metal. That's the symbol in something you can grab of that heart, those kids.

And like I said, they're kids taking on those bunkers. And I could never throw that away because it's theirs. It's not mine.

Yeah. I'm part of it. I mean, I have my share. I'm part of that team.

So I feel very proud of it. And I also think about the kids in the bunkers that were shooting at us. They were drafted. I mean, none of them wanted to be there either.

Yeah. It was their country. And people talk about how, Oh, you know, they were defending, you know, their country. And so they were more motivated and yeah, I don't know. Maybe they were more motivated.

Who knows? But I, I think if you'd asked any of them could, would you like to leave now? They'd have gone home just like the rest of us. So they were there too, you know? And so that metal is part of that.

In other words, it's not just, not just the team, the Marines, but it was just everybody on that Hill. And so I've come to terms with that metal because I I've sort of seen it as a, as just a concrete physical object that represents incredible heart. And a special thanks to Monty Montgomery for the production on that piece and a special thanks to Carl Merlentis. And my goodness, what Major Miller said to him, one day you're going to earn your pay.

You'll know it when it happens. And my goodness, Paul knew it when it happened. And of course at the end, him saying, that's not my metal.

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