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November 3, 2019 8:00 am
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Immunity will show in case you don't know this is the basic values program that tries to interject faith and values with different issues and people in our culture locally and globally.
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It's hard to imagine, but it's been a blast. Thank you again my guest today is Rich's adoring riches, the general counsel for waste. It is on local company, probably larger even than that. I'll let him talk about that in just a second. I wanted to have him come on the show and talk about how a business person, a lawyer involved in a rather large company can make a difference in serving this community and beyond.
Something we all can do something. I believe that we all can do and I'm appreciative of riches being on the show with me today. Rich, thanks a lot you bet. Thanks, David. Let us get to know you a bit where you're from your background, your family lives have a glimpse into your life.
Sure I so born and raised in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania so know as is Ed Billick and I were talking earlier is not a reserve that when a native Pittsburgh are and just adamant about Pirates, Steelers, and anything Pittsburgh and so it runs in your blood, and spent my formative years there a mom and dad were were very avid churchgoers. We went to a Lutheran church in the eastern suburbs of Pittsburgh, and I grew up in the eastern suburbs in the city and then went to University of Pittsburgh undergrad and law school and so I was one of four kids in a in my mom is still living in Pittsburgh.
My dad passed. 10.
11 years ago. So we we moved to Charlotte about 6 1/2 years ago my wife and I and at the time our two kids and so it was for my job. I came here to be the General Counsel we squint and I've been in general counsel for roughly 15 years now so know it's been a.m. been a great ride.
It really has. It's been a wonderful career. I it's been a great way for me to be a practicing attorney.
I like being in the house much better than being in a law firm. Maybe because of exactly what you're talking about the ability to be involved in the business. The ability to act in achieving business goals and then combining that obviously with my faith's waist quit does what help us so so.
Little did I know when I looked at garbage trucks whenever I was a kid that I would eventually become a garbageman and so so what we do is we manufacture equipment for the waste industry. So if you live in Charlotte and you roll a two wheel plastic garbage can down the end of your street which is most of the population of the population right we ought we operate that business under the brand name hooter TOT ER so for everyone who's listening when they go out sometime this week and grab that garbage can and if you look at the side which a lot of people don't. But when you will in this will prompt you to think about it. See if it's a toter can because we make a lot of those thing in the US and in Mexico and sell those nets roughly half of our business. The other parts of the business are making steel containers and so everything from rolloff dumpsters that you would see at a demolition or construction site or the smaller steel containers you see behind every single building out there so you are the General Counsel, which means you make sure that everything that operates in your company does so legally correct.
You have to do all the HR stuff. I would assume as well. Will we do have a a C HRO who handles the HR stuff but from from what my daily interaction is is it's really establishing here's the guardrails here's the here's the bumpers on either side that I need to make sure we operate inside of risk management is that, amazingly, it clearly gaps and in today's litigious culture that is particularly challenging. I'm sure it is.
It really is. So eat what you enjoy most about your job. I really the variety and it really is a II sometimes jokingly say I'm a guy inch deep and a mile wide, so I have to understand everything that's going on. I have to understand all aspects of all laws that are out there and so it really is the variety of what hits my desk on a daily basis.
I would imagine it's a daily challenge.
Something you almost every day it is, but I will balance it with the fact that I get up, excited to get to work everyday. I love what I do. I love my job and it's a fantastic company are good for you because a lot of people don't have that privilege of waking up, being excited about going to work and you have that privilege reached the door he is my guest today riches the General Counsel for a company called waist quit by him on the show today to talk about faith values in the workplace. He has some interesting perspectives on that bridge when we come back let's take a moment and pause and talk a little bit about our country's situation today with litigation, but some with some of things that have happened with the Cavanaugh effect. We had a couple of months ago and look at what's our future and your perspective on some of those issues through faith and values in our culture today. I David Chadwick this is new stock 11 to 99. Three.
WBT will be back when I David Chadwick and this is new stock 11 to 99. Three WBT well-connected to show my guest is Rich's adoring riches. The General Counsel forthcoming called waist quit. He is here today to talk about faith and values in the workplace, how people who are in the workplace can really make a difference in the world will get to that subject in a little bit but first Rich during the segment I wanted to talk about the litigation that goes on in our society and in let me first of all on ask why do you think we live in such a litigious society. But you know I mean it's it it's obvious a very complicated matter in a very complicated issue.
Know not to not to throw stones in my brethren attorneys that are out there, but I will tell you I'm there's a lot of lawyers. There are a lot of attorneys who are in United States right now that's that's obviously part of what's driving this is it's it's an economic issue will aid the other thing that we will see on a on a frequent basis is just to and I hate to generalize, but a lack of accountability that we will sometimes see where something happens, someone you know he is disadvantaged or something happens to them or their injured and there's there's a will, a need or a desire to blame someone so somebody has to be at fault though my wife a a oftentimes says sometimes they called an accident because it's an accident a year and there's really no one to blame and nobody at fault, but it really the OEA we've we've moved into certainly in the legal world, a litigious culture work one night.
You want to blame someone you want to have somebody accountable know we oftentimes will get sued as a company I for things that we have no connection to know someone will say well you design this product this way. Were you did this, and oftentimes our defense is well know you did something you should not have been doing or what you didn't do something insofar as maintenance or something along those lines that you should've been doing and so it's not it's not a way that we design something more way that we manufactured something allow this to happen. You did something that was clearly wrong it's it's oftentimes very difficult for people to accept that because they really want to be able to assess blame on someone else and also the money issue is surely a part of it.
Men and we can't deny that correct correct will. When people have such a problem with accepting responsibility like our culture has today when victimizations almost become a calling card for people. You can see how it's easy then to make litigation that the natural place to where you go in order to get what you want correct on and and that is I think sat for a country only move into that arena. It it it is a bit but we need the the.
The dilemma is that typically what we get involved in were people been injured and so certainly it it it becomes a very difficult ethical, moral dilemma, because you can't necessarily say well we are immune to the fact that someone got hurt else so so you have to be sympathetic or empathetic. Injustice is a biblical value correctly. If somebody has been unduly has all around it. That's right you do want some kind of justice to take place. Correct, where does it end and that's the problem that were addressing during this segment in one of the things that happened over the last months is the Cavanaugh hearing right where a man gets accused of something that you half the country thinks he did half the country didn't think he did it on where we headed Rich in your opinion and if you guys are just jumping on listeners which the door is my guest is General Counsel for local company where we headed with all of these accusations against him, especially older white man which seems like there's a lot of anger against what's going to happen nationally in your opinion yet you know what what what a great question and didn't. I wish I had a great answer.
Unfortunately, no, I think I'm probably with the rest of the world and the rest of the US trying to understand the direction of the trajectory were on go as as an attorney. I look at it from from a a constitutional from a due process from a rights standpoint: a end, everyone has the right to a defense and everyone has the right to be heard in the concept of due process allows all parties to tell their story and I'm going it's those types of fundamental aspects that are the voting blocks and a cornerstone of America and the United States and of our political institutions a year and you've you've got what what is appearing to happen is a a part of a court of public opinion, the gets generated by the number of social media posts or the ill more more frequently. The number of social media reposts that the more something is like the more momentum it gathers together a life of its LSU right right and and oftentimes it appears we throw into process out the window and you what I think were seeing it now. At the risk of pushing into this controversy. Seeing it in the impeachment inquiries as well never mailed you either. There are certain rules. Everyone is supposed to abide by when it comes to to trying people and having these issues brought out to the surface and if you do things either without facts and just make the speculation become the truth.
You do things behind closed doors in secrecy and then leak pieces of information that you want to have.
To promote your agenda.
It's it really is is no completely eroding the fundamental building blocks of what we stand for as a country and what's motivating it obviously is political power, right, and what you want is what you want right you leave and destroy a person in order to do so right now I have thought a lot about this. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal this past week of a man who is accused of racism and sexism as a CEO of a large organization, and he was ultimately dismissed but after they really did the study of whether he did it or not. In the course of social media had already tried injured him and made him guilty. They found out that he really didn't do it and at the Wall Street Journal into the article with the relief of the one thing this person was guilty of was being 68 years old and when you get to the older white guy in the American culture. It looks like he's almost becoming an endangered species. Your yeah you know it means so so our son Sam is 26 years old and know my wife Shelley and I will often think what what will his world be like the old he's he's a great man of integrity and we love them to death and she's some help, but it but I wonder what it will be like you know and and help it. Similarly, we've got a daughter Holly who is 24 and same woman of integrity of valor, I but it's different, i.e. a male is different than the female and it really seems culturally like it's it's become. No, I don't want to say difficult, but it certainly is become more challenging. Sounds like you've had your day in the sun. Older white guys time for you to get out right us to be able to do what we want to do and I don't know if that's helping our culture much is obviously causing great division and angst, especially with a president who's 70 something and the Democrats are nominating people to run against him, who are largely 70 something I don't know where it's headed rich. The confusion discussion with my kids like you have them as well write exactly that you know and I'm what what always is. The balance is certainly there have been wrongs in certainly there are those who been accused that when it comes out that at the end of the day. They have done bad things a and so it's it, it's difficult to be able to say well it's just a a bias towards old white guys right now because sometimes those old white guys have done bad things, and so we should minimize the Harvey Weinstein zigzag. Epstein's also exactly right. Well if you had to guess where it's all headed in our culture are we just going to have this kind of division because our society is rapidly changing, or is there a way to heal our land. In your opinion well ill turning to my faith aspect of this something that certainly is is what I try to cling to and hold onto and go back to in times like this.
Know where am III pray in my wife and I pray that the narrative gets back to to know praying about it and finding out what what, what's the biblical thing to do. What's the right thing to do.
And as we talked earlier know the the justice aspect of this justice is a biblical concept, a end, regardless of of the tweets on social media and the postings on social media.
Let's let's use that the biblical aspects of this is our fundamental and our foundational aspects to really try to to address these types of issues that are out there and one the things that I always note when I read the Scripture is how in the early church now as it was infiltrated into the Roman Empire from a small Jewish perspective, the people who made up the leadership and the people who made up the church itself, had a common bond in Jesus, but the diversity of the church was remarkable right you see in Galatians 328, for example, there is neither male nor female Jew or Greek, slave or free, were all one in Jesus and you have these remarkable bodies of Christ with all of this diversity coming together of for the purpose of serving the world in the name of Jesus. It looks like to me that's the one thing that breaks down all these. I completely agree rich when we come back from our next segment I want to talk to you about your faith and how it became real to you how it's real to you in the workplace and some of things you're doing to let your faith live through you in this broken world in which we all live because I think a lot of us as working people think that work is off limits for a way we can live out our faith and nothing biblically could be farther from the truth that the workplace is a mission field and one of my friends once said, you're either a missionary or an imposter.
I love that because you Jesus that is the father sent me into the world so I sent you into the world, people of faith should not be challenged by their workplace to fear. They should use the workplace as a way to serve other people and that's what I want to talk to you about something. I know you've done very well and can be a helpful resource to people listening today. How to be a person of faith in this crazy world.
I'm David Chadwick will be right back everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is this top 11, 1099 WBT welcome back to the show. If you'd like to hear this program in its entirety.
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Again, my guest is Rich the dory rich is the general counsel for an organization company called waste quip. He is talking about his faith in this segment talking about how faith can be lived out in the workplace so rich the beginning point obviously is talk about your faith and how it became meaningful to you yet so so is as I mentioned earlier in the program. So I grew up in a in a churchgoing household in Pittsburgh know my my dad was the superintendent of Sunday school and various times on church council and my mom played the organ for probably about 40 years old while at a very small Lutheran church in the East suburbs of Pittsburgh and him we would dutifully go to church every Sunday morning, you get dressed and off you go up but it was more roasted was more routinized than that I think I realized only later on in life and know as as I certainly grew end and I really attribute a lot to my wife Shelley because she really, we both came to our our marriage and relationship, know as Christians, but not necessarily knowing Christ and so note there as we walked along that path, then there came times whenever you now understand your relationship with Christ in Christ once have a relationship with you and so I can't say that I'm one of those guys that had one of those aha moments, but rather a gradual growing understanding that no she Christ loves me and I love him and and it's just a wonderful relationship we brought up her kids.
That way, and no art. Our son is now married to a wonderful daughter-in-law, Danielle, and so note who everybody is walking in faith right now as I wander for the most interesting EE people asked me all the time do I have to have a Damascus Road experience to be a true Christian and the answer biblically is no, although in my marriage relationship.
I'm like you I was raised in a Christian home that was a pastor I went to church dutifully just like you did every week. I think seeds of faith were planted in my life. It was very routine, but there was a moment when I realize that Jesus loved me and he became a personal friend in my faith relationship with front went from rote to a deeper relationship ops, but it was very much a part of a Timothy kind of experience were biblically Timothy was raised by his mother and his grandmother in the faith and is his fate became natural as a part of growing up for it then you did at Paul with a Damascus Road experience in my wife is Paul that he was an atheist. She didn't believe she know anything part of Jesus and one day she had a dramatic encounter with Jesus, and it changed her life forever.
So the bottom line. There is, it doesn't matter how you come to the relationship God can use all different kinds of ways but the bottom line on the Christian faith is. It is a relationship not rules and regulations right right and so you came to genuine understanding of who Jesus was and what age a boy and I would say I was probably in my early 20s know so so I at that point. Note certainly starting into my career in a hadn't arrived.
I've tried to carry that as an attorney and throughout my career. No, I graduated law school in 86 so I'm probably a note. Certainly a much longer and the tooth in my career than than I probably would be willing to admit. But no, I certainly have carried that throughout my entire career ill and there have been times where it has been more challenging then then certainly in the current role that I'm in. And there have been occasions where as as General Counsel, the lead attorney for an organization.
Oftentimes you are the company's conscience.
You really have to be the one that sets the moral compass for the company a hadn't there been some occasions in my career where somewhat goes at odds with the direction that either the CEO is bringing the company or members of the board or members of senior management and at at that point it really is a challenge because I know that I have to be true to myself at the end of the day. I a and a I often go back to Joshua 19 which for me is my beacon and it really is, and it's to be no Jesus commanded us to be strong and courageous and that's that's no but I really rely upon a lot and and not to be afraid and not to be discouraged because I know what my role is that I know what I need to do and how I I hearken back to one CEO that I had that I worked very closely with a end know he and I would talk about that and and when I would go into litigation matters or settlement negotiations were very tough and and acrimonious situations that I get involved in as as an attorney or General Counsel of the company. I have to I have to cooperate from very strong foundational position and know he and I would talk about that openly. I that that that was that was going to be my guiding beacon to be strong and courageous, and understand that and and in that respect of been very fortunate in my career that while I have had these situations where it's been it's been a challenge with some moral dilemmas.
Certainly that situation with that CEO in my current role as well. I it's been a a situation where we openly talk about our faith know I have prayed with my current CEO.
He is prayed with me it's it's a wonderful type of situation when you can bring that into the workplace and and not be afraid to to talk about your faith at work, which a lot of people. I think live in in in fear of bringing their faith. The work and attempting to keep it separated so you would say to those listening who want to take their faith in the workplace. The most important thing you can do is to live it out yourself.
Have a an important part of your life. But then let those guiding Judeo-Christian principles outlined in God's word guide you in your workplace and there might be some times where that collides with the culture of the workplace and when that happens, rich. What should someone do well you know it mean you're either Christian or not you know when it's not. It's not that you're a Christian of convenience ill is is how I view it and so you need to stick to your principles and you need to really have them ingrained in you, and it's not you know it.
It the Christian aspect is one thing and is one aspect of it, in its overarching but but as you step back. You also have to book you have to understand what what your moral compass is and what you believe in, and not allow yourself to be to be pushed in directions that you don't necessarily want to go at the end of the day you got a look yourself in the mirror and don't you that's right not have you found in your experience that if you do stand for your convictions and are generally the right convictions, you will be respected by other people yes and no.
Unfortunate the radio so you can see me like my head side to side yell it's yeah I made it it it it is a an interesting aspect of it really is because there are so many complexities that go into the daily workplace hello a a or any aspects of life where people have agendas and sometimes they're known. Sometimes there unknown and so held at least being trained as an attorney. My what what I do is try to try to look at as many many layers of an issue as possible and try to understand particulate where somebody else is coming from.
That's real empathy thing is jump inside their psyche and you don't try to be to understand. You try to understand but also be understood with the Cimarron understand where the other people are coming from. That's exactly right then that not just strategically to help my position as an attorney but but also to understand where they stand.
I went to the problem, exactly. So if someone is here listening going this might cost me my job if I take the stand. But I know it's the right standard take what would you say you know that that is a very tough question. It really is because we all have obligations and you know and responsibilities a and it just it it it it it is a it's a very tough position and it's probably very individual and personal decision, but I always go back to my faith in the end of the day right you got yourself in the mirror and the other thing is in Colossians 323 and 24. There are those wonderful verses that remind us all in the workplace that we have a boss we have a real boss and ultimately were answerable to God and God alone. And I really believe if you take the right stand and do the right thing. It may be uncomfortable for the moment, but in the long term, God will honor. That is because he has promised to do so and he said in Colossians 3. Don't be someone who's just trying to people. Please do I serve. This is the word in the workplace, but really believe you have someone you're accountable to, in heaven and that's ultimately the one you want to please rich the door is my guess is the General Counsel voice quipped Jip ritually come back let's talk about this subject as we conclude the program how can people of faith really make a difference in the community.
I David Chadwick will be right back and we ask God everyday to fill us up on race, his mercy, his kindness and then when we enter into the workplace. We want to be a dispenser on that love race, mercy and kindness. Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick. This is the stock 11 to 99. Three WBT welcome back to the show rich the door is my guess. Rich is the General Counsel for a company called waste quipped even talking about a multitude of different subjects, but wondering the segment that I think would be really important for people as a businessman off faith in the workplace. You can really use your position in the workplace to help a lot of clauses that are out there in the world.
I know that's one of your heart beats you want to be a man of God in the workplace who allows your company and other people with whom you come in contact to give their lives away and when you do so you truly make Charlotte and the larger community a better place in which… Let's talk about using work as a way to worship God in serving other people talk about that sure so so yummy it it for me. It's not only going to work every day and I go to work every day with a smile on my face and I go to work every day and and will you lift up people and that's what you do and you attempt to make it a better place for them in our CEO says it often and means it when he says I want this to be the best place you've ever worked, and we take that to heart mean it's not just a throwaway line. We truly think that the heart and in fact we just had an employee survey and we asked that question of everyone. Is this the best place you've ever worked. So there. There are a variety of ways to live that out. I think it was was either last year or two years ago in January or February when we were going to have a cold spell in Charlotte and I learned that the shelters the city shelters don't open until the temperature hits a certain level and it was going to be literally two or 3° above that level was the projected temperature for the evening but still cold still cold right me two or 3° doesn't matter. Someone who's on the street but there was a hammering right that this is this is when the city will open the shelters and so I have a very good friend who sits on the board of the Boys and Girls Club which is fully with the Salvation Army like a called him and I said what what what are the needs of the what does the Salvation Army need because my guess is that Salvation Army will be overwhelmed with people who were cold because they need to get to a shelter. They can't get into a city, shelter, and so within 24 hours I was connected with the person who was running the Salvation Army shelter and I reached out to my peers the General Counsel in the community and and put a call to action out there and said what can we do to help this this organization that will be overwhelmed with people coming to their doors and I'll never forget a woman whose good friend of mine, Stacy Graves, General Counsel at Belk just immediately stepped up and said come over. We have towels and wash cloths that we can send we can we can give to you because that's what they're going to need because I had asked him they needed bus tickets, towels, sheets. This kind of suck and so through a variety of phone calls and emails within 24 hours.
We are taking truckloads of of these types of materials over to the Salvation Army shelter ill and it's those kinds of things where where people are willing to do. People are open to do it.
People want to help and want to know engage in and helping the community and to sometimes need a little kick in a little bit of an impetus to make it happen, but it's interesting that you felt like one person can make a difference.
Karen and suddenly somebody else steps up and says I'll help to write and then you have a momentum that allows the community to be served by so do you try to bring that social conscience to your company on a regular basis, and if so how, so, so, along with other people.
That's one of my missions on my charges and so we actually track our charitable giving and so were not a big company, you know, we've got roughly 2000 employees and wording that sounds there but you know I Gestalt relative but ill so so we track where we give our money and we want to make differences in the community. And so we have the ability to go in and say what are we doing in the community know not only just monetarily, but how are we bettering people in the community and we track where our wages are relative to what the average income is in the community able to have our wages to be higher than what is the average. In those communities. For those work for those groups of employees and so going back to the best place you've ever worked. That's part of what we do and so we want to be able to to have a positive effect and positive impact in the community for getting near the end of the show. It's hard to believe that I'd love to give you a chance to speak to all those out there. My guess is the vast majority of listeners who have jobs and remind them that their job isn't something they just have to do that. It could be a calling right and they could be used by God in the workplace Richard Doherty if you could counsel people listening about how to use their work as worship how to use their job as a vocation how to use their daily time as a calling, would you tell them to do any for me it's find out what you're passionate about. Find out what really drives you know a and and see how you can combine your work environment with what really your passion is ill. I'm passionate about something that's in Charlotte called man up Charlotte and this is where were attempting to help the fatherlessness and of Charlotte, either physically absent or emotionally absent. And so for me it's it's it's what you're passionate about and that's what you really have to do and and the second, more fundamental aspect I believe is, as we talked earlier, the moral compass. Understanding the fact that your feet are on solid ground and they have to be on solid ground and and using biblical aspects in your Christian faith keep your feet on solid ground. I don't know where I heard it but at some point along the way I heard someone say every day find a need and fill it. Find a hurt and heal it and and those two little simple phrases have guided me to say to people like you and others every day. We have a chance intersect with people are and were in a workplace situation. We were surrounded by other people, even in our cubicles. There somebody in the cubicle next to us.
So if we would dare be sensitive to say God how can I find a need and fill it. Find a hurt and heal if I'm God's instrument in the workplace and we find things like man up which is addressing fatherlessness where your part out it makes your life even more successful.
This which, thanks for being with me today that really appreciate your time and may you be continued used by God for the purpose of helping this world be a better place in which Larissa Dori. Thanks so much. Thank you and everyone would you do this for me. Would you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and might. That's the first commandment. As you begin to worship God with everything that is within you. You will find how much he loves you, cares for you and has a plan for your life. And secondly, then love your neighbor as yourself. Love that which God loves most of the world. What is that people with the image of God stamped on their life.
Your neighbor, especially the needy and the oppressed around you and if you love God and love your neighbor every single day.
You have a lifetime's worth of work to do.
Everyone, I'm David Chadwick. This is news talk 11 1099. Three WBT. Thanks for listening and I'll help all next