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Hi everyone, I'm living for 99 in case you don't know this is a faith and values program and tries to intersect different issues locally globally in our culture throughout the world through the lenses of faith and values now doing the show almost 20 years it's been a joy doing it. Thank you listeners for joining me on a weekly basis. Many thanks to my friends at Ruth Chris steakhouse and also Perry's fine jewelry will allow this program to be on the air each week. Will I have a really fun show. Today this Martin Luther King weekend, my wife Marilyn is in studio with me again. She joins me regularly. A great thinker, a wonderful person and my best friend. We have also with us, Jasmine Ellis, a friend of ours that we've known for a long time and she has just been a dear friend and she's going to give us insights this weekend. This Martin Luther King weekend in the things that you may not understand African-American black people might be a little bit offended by and we just say them do them without even thinking. And Jasmine is going to give us some insights there. Jasmine's 27 years old and African-American herself, but we've known her for years, which is been the coolest part of our story together were friends. Marilyn share how we met Jasmine Ellis cost Jasmine, I think I have known you since you're born, but really I got to know you pretty well when you started interviewing for one of our state scholarship programs and I already knew your mom pretty well, but when I was prepared for is this young lady. She is an entity's meeting.

He was you who had already researched. I think Yukon Emory University and other places and basically decide to put yourself in a new track going places.

Question is, did I want to jump in and get involved with help and that happens, I want to tell our listeners about that because I mean you are go-getter.

All I did was jump along for the ride right right right so I think a great bike thing that you can take from my journey is, regardless of age when got put something in your heart, he's gonna carry it out, he's gonna keep you awake to do it.

And even at the age of what was I 12 years now. You 12. I was looking up schools and doing all the research myself and staying up all throughout the night to do this, I realize that pretty soon and I thought I can have to provide you with any motivation. I will try to do is build a team around you.

Let sleeping help you get what you need to go right. It was one of those things where my mom had to make a decision. Is she going to support this vision in this motivation that was, put inside of me, or is she going to continue to have me go the route that she had for me right and so she really put her best foot forward and in prayer and an action because brain action is important because you know you were knocking on my door and I don't even really know what your needs were, at that point right right and I don't even know if I did write because what you think about at that age. But what I didn't know is where I want my angle to be. And God help me to backtrack and to set plans and move forward and actually gave you actionable steps to help me which was go ahead and apply.

Do you have the money know the you you know anything about the process of this note, but take those steps and God will make the next step for you and were talking about a seeds of hope scholarship program you're at Charlotte Christian in town have a dream to be able to go to college and get a degree and move into communications but you just didn't have the funds to be able to do so. Marilyn was a part of the seeds of hope scholarship program to allow the two intersect nicely.

Marilyn, how did that occur will actually this backup before Charlotte Christian because when I met you you are and I guess what you call it an underperforming school. You knew that that that environment probably wasn't gonna take you as Heiser aspiration cheer first step was to get Charlotte Christian rats. When I said okay because we really didn't have much of a program at that point right there was no program.

I was in a pencil or things where we I went as far as I could go and then you and then God had it so that the amount that was needed.

You all fit for the gap.

What we had held one student find a way to get to college and that was pretty exciting that your mom have you know that kid and she came to me she said I didn't know calorie you had any kind scholarship program is a well we really kind don't but we are interested in formalin, so why not shall be a test case go ahead and apply to Charlotte Christian do all your stuff of pine to fasten all the other things that you need to get you financially see what's left over.

And what happened was we found that this is kind of a standard. Now we found out that generally the gap that people have is about $5000 a year that they just can't fail. Whether that was in private school for high school in your special case or than in college. So that became the state scholarship for years at $5000 a year zero like the inaugural girl right now and in less talk about the prayer aspect that was put into the absolute doesn't. Before we apply. We went on the campus. We walked the campus we laid hands on you and your mom Danielle rightly laid hands on the building and we prayed around that building. We said God if this is for us. We know you're gonna make a way. We know that you're going to create steps that were supposed to take in order to do it in and that was the way that everything came together in and from there like a silly quick. Those are called and from there was whenever we found out okay this is where we rented. This is what were going to do this is who were to connect with and man.

He just open the doors opens the door a lot move me in the place. I feel like I was just a little piece of his puzzle, but God had a plan for you and you come from a long line of ministers now can tell. Listen Jasmine she's got some preacher enter let's talk about that on the underside of the break your family background. The people who influenced your life how you end up at Clemson University and get a degree there and then your heartbeat now for you want to go in motion poorly helping us understand this Martin Luther King weekend we can love each other better. I'm David Chadwick and will be right back. What I'm David chocolate until I see. Welcome back to the show this Martin Luther King weekend when we're celebrating hopefully repeated attempts we can learn how to love one another based on the fact of our common humanity. Our creation in the image of God and not the color of our outside our insides in our hearts to be able to help us celebrate this weekend will more ably I have in studio with me about my wife Marilyn also Jasmine Ellis, a 27-year-old African-American beautiful woman who's in the studio with us to talk about not only her past and how God has blessed her and used her powerfully but also maybe some sensitivities that maybe those of most of the different skins you need to have, especially as we learn how to love one another. Marilyn pursue the relationship with Jasmine that we've had.

She comes from a long line of preachers and ministers that intersected with our lives and really blessed us immeasurably you said in the earlier segment when people listen. Jasmine and I say this about. You don't think you got limited preacher and you and your mom does. But your your aunt Liz passed apart Barbara Britton Cameron who had such an impact on the city so you saw you talking earlier about prayer and how that, directed your steps and where you want to Eat that you cut your teeth on this stuff. This is not think this is your life and that this is relationship with God not religion. And so I think growing up in that dynamic of preachers but it wasn't just like a dynamic of preachers they change the community nationwide and a miraculous way. I remember my aunt saying that she saw birds chirping.

Now this was the number one murder capital in the nation at the time it was hers were not there. Okay even they knew not to come right and so to say that it's a see it. I wasn't alive whenever I mean I was alive, but I wasn't really comprehend why you can in and so says to see the change in the community even from the time that I did remember to see people flocking there in a way to see God's work. You gain a relationship. It wasn't just go to church on Sundays. I mean, I think we were at church like six days a week, but then all of a sudden you'll my mama get a call at 3 AM right because we were really impactful in a crisis type of way a crisis type of way and so I think the relationship part that you gain from seeing moments like that and seeing miracles like that consistently is almost like that's your expectation in the martyr weight drop contained in our part of the ministry of community outreach at that time we work more closely with your aunt. He's now no longer alive on this earth, but she was known for changing. I forgot what was it called Oaklawn area, but now it is Genesis park that we named in the city knows how the demographics it was the third most dangerous neighborhood in the nation. Because of the murder rate. By the time Pastor Barbara went in and love that community and grew that church and influence the community.

It became like the you know number one safest community in America in which to live. It was a remarkable transition that then Mayor Richard then route actually noted publicly in one of his inaugurations as mayor and also interestingly at her funeral. Richard came and spoke because of the powerful impact she had not only will that community. City of Charlotte and said that was your mix. Growing up as far as what you are able to observe.

Like you said it was a lifestyle you mom and so that's the backdrop where you did life that you had big dreams that were your own. Because that's what I watch start to emerge.

You had this faith walk. But then there were these big dreams that started to emerge and what I loved about getting to know you back when you were young. Preteen is you hat you know you are going somewhere. He started putting plans in place and and now as a 27-year-old young woman I've seen so much of that country.

When you've impacted others to talk a little bit about you and where you went how you ended up in Clemson.

What you do now right so I came thinking that I was going to be a doctor and and so but something that was consistent in all of my plans to become a doctor, was the fact that I wanted to own a bunch of doctors offices help a lot of people to do great things and I found out that just means that I wanted to be an entrepreneur and a business owner because had the biology and the chemistry classes was saying that I did not want to be a doctor so so so I found that my gift was in communication.

My gift was with people and so do I found that out at Clemson and I gained some really great mentors while I was at Clemson and went on to help a bunch of other students to start businesses because sometimes that's what God will do as you all found with your ministries is God will help you to start other people's ventures. Other people's dreams.

The fun other people's dreams before he has you to accomplish yours and and so that's what I did and then eventually it has led me to start Savior consulting which is a social media and SEL for those who don't know that is luscious.

Call it digital marketing for other businesses and helping those businesses to achieve success and communicate properly to customers, potential customers, and in that's much been my journey so you are a communicator, even a Charlotte Christian I know you distinguished yourself in all kinds of leadership roles. You are an athlete or student leader, but that leadership theme has come through. Even to this day. So when you get into the entrepreneurial world that you're in right now, you're still communicating and that is I think your strong suit is helping people see life maybe through a different lens. You and I were talking about something different is couple weeks ago when we were both in the seeds of hope team your team now to help ring in new scholars and we started having a conversation and I don't how we talked about race because that does come up sometimes and and think what you said to me was conversations about race.

Let's jump to this now you said they need to happen when you're at the same table talk about how you phrase it with a backing member exactly how you phrased it right so the most difficult conversations should be had at the table and what I mean by that is if you're not willing to have the conversation at your dinner table in your most vulnerable place your home because I don't know everyone's raised differently, but my home was raises your home is your sanctuary not everybody's really allowed to come. It's a place where you can be your most vulnerable and be your most self, and it's a place where you're not really gotta bring everybody.

And because your kids are there and you're able to have those difficult conversations and so what that what that means is we leave it with love, we leave it with permission and we leave it with knowing that the Holy Spirit has led and guided his conversation because before I had the conversation with you.

I was talking about an incident that happened to me when I was much younger and I said I was gonna discuss it with you but I but I said God, if you give me the opportunity I'll say it. This was like what two years that I made had that conversation with God, but said that to you but I have seen you a ton of time before that he never even really, having meditate on it never happy think on it was in your mind when he brought the opportunity. Eventually, to have a conversation with you so wasn't one of those things. I was impulse led or even really thought through. This is fascinating because your relationship with one another allows you to build a bridge from each other's heart to the other and to share some openly honest things and jazzmen in the recent months you in Maryland that had a conversation and not in a bad way, but in a really good way believing that empathy is the pathway to progress this one of my favorite phrases. Empathy is the pathway to progress.

You can't really move forward until you jump into somebody else's skin wheat we really want to understand something you said the Maryland I want our listeners understand as well, especially this Martin Luther King weekend. There are some things that people of a light skin you white people like white people. I don't even know they're saying yet that might be troublesome or even want to use the word offensive. Maybe that's too strong, but you a little bit of you probably ought understand where we're coming from on this. That black people, especially young/have some sensitivity stored in a part of what I wanted to do today was help us understand where those sensitivities are because I think most of our listeners really are people who want to grow want to empathize, who want love to conquer hate in our world today right and so just disclaimer you. I am speaking from my experiences. I can't speak for hope like hell forever.

However, what I can say is whenever you have the closeness of the relationship you understand someone's heart right. It wasn't.

This wasn't done at my job. It wasn't done and in a political setting. It wasn't done in any setting where it was how he put it, conflict ridden yeah read and it had hit the surface or anything like that.

It wasn't a build up. It was more of a conversation that we were having about something completely different door opened and a door in a door opened right and so what I say is I asked. I said hey is it okay for for me to let you know about a situation I actually just had about the climate that were currently in with a family member is US permission to talk to the conversation first right because if this is about what is right because a lot of people are going to say what they're doing.

If they're saying something wrong. You have to speak up for no matter what will you get to the point where you're like do you want to be heard, honestly, or do you just want to speak because those are two different things because people aren't going to listen to you if you want to come to them in a fashion that they do listen to a little belike a marital conflict for you so you want to hear me or do you need to be right something really happens in our marriage as well. I'm sorry but I've learned that is a really bad thing to do but sometimes you engage in the conversation and your needs to be right rather than hear the other person right and if someone says they don't want to hear it. Then they're not going to hear it. No matter what no matter what.

And so if it's not coming if the conversation is going to be having a pleasant platform or the conversation is not to be had were someone wants that is inviting you into that they do not. At the end of the day were talking about a subject that is very sensitive.

If, for example, you and Marilyn are looking at a situation and someone comes to you and they say something like well I think that your beat your races. Think about what that does to you will be meeting that hit especially if you own, or especially if you have given your life intake and sacrifices about this right which you have as it relates to my aunt you taken sacrifices you taken hits. If this is an area where you've taken hits. It hits different and so it has to be done in love. So when you have that kind of experience with someone who saying something that they may not understand is offensive or least hurtful. You got to try to at least understand first where are they willing to hear my heart when I want to share something with them.

Everything begins in a relationship that relationship solid like what you and Marilyn have them and hopefully you will with me as well. You can begin to share that and have an understanding of what needs to be said. The rafters were to take a break and when we come back, folks, jazzmen go share some things that you might not think are troublesome to people of a different skin color but are I David Chadwick and will be right back 11 to 99.

Welcome back to show my guest today. My wife Marilyn has a microphone as those jazzmen. Ellis just to be upfront with everybody because you can't see in the radio studio jazzmen is 27 years old, an African-American woman millennial who really has accomplished a lot in life. Clemson University grad has her own marketing firm right now just a really wonderful person been a friend of ours for a couple of decades. Marilyn and I are boomers we were raised in the 60s through the turbulent times of racism. So we have a very sensitive heart here and jazzmen even your mom had to steer down a gun from a KKK person. Is that right, well it was my and so even in her lifetime and she's you all's age that she had to have the experience of someone in the KKK seeing her at a red light pulling out a gun. I don't know if they thought she was someone else to know what it was it was anything that led up to it, but they looked at her.

They had the hat on everything, the whole shebang and and she had that experience in the wild.

That was her lifetime and she saw racism in a very dramatic way. Right super violent.

And while as a millennial. We see it anymore. We pick up the signals very early in the address they are right especially sensitive to it when it happens while they were sensitive to it as well. They just didn't speak up on that because they saw what was before. I mean, Mike.

I grew up with my grandma saying well. My brother was be in the streets by the KKK was beaten in the streets. And so when you go from being beat in the streets to somehow comment you can you can get past that there's a new launch that's going on here. Today it is probably different generation way for boomers and Xers, and millennial, but the key is we've all got to try to understand each other right, walking each other skin as best as possible, which is the definition of empathy. Some of these just feeling bad for somebody when they're going through a tough time empathy exactly jumping inside their skin to understand their life and their worldview and you're trying to help us do that today for this problem of racism in America today from a millennial perspective here on Martin Luther King weekend and have the conversation got started because like I said earlier, one of the earlier segments jazzmen and I were had a conversation about something entirely different. And then I think the door opened and 90 to the for years so like you say we were kind of at the table right now. Nietzsche that there is a loving relationship and you did ask permission to share some things with me, you started out by town a couple of anecdotes that said jazzmen I sense that and I raise three millennial's and a leveling is vested in the millennial world is a little greater sensitivity to the racial stuff even before it gets to be what I would consider at outright racism and you help me understand the nuance thing and you shoot a couple of examples and I thought this is just good to know because sometimes people don't mean to sound racist but they might because you pick up a signal that they not even trying to give off an MRI is what social media example right right right right in. It has to do with learned behavior. Learn learn nuances that we say in the home right and they they may not have had the experience of the hatred towards anyone, but they heard someone else say your cousin to get soulless with your cousin Ryan so so I went.

I posted something about something that had to do with race and saying I'm so glad that there taken the steps for this and she said something along the lines of, well, this has nothing to do with race. Now just the disclaimer. My cousin is white can, but I've known in my entire life. Just as a company that was taken some steps and write and rewrite our mission as a company slightly, but they were taking appropriate actions to solve a problem that happened were racism was displayed in their business okay and she said something all is not about race and that his work ethic. Ninja was about work ethic are some the night is about. It's it's about hiring the right people. He's in and she's at something of an HR consultant that was her perspective. I knew her perspective. But I knew the perspective that my friends were going to have on her and that's what struck me is the way you said that right insult my perspective on this type of thing is I made a commitment that in this cultural climate that I was not gonna that we get what we made a commitment mean my family, my friends in this cultural climate we were going to speak up whenever we felt like we saw things that came off as a way to look at a whole entire group of people. If that makes any sense. So what that means is I saw that she posted that and I said no. This is exactly about it because that statement.

In particular, is meant to dismiss how people are being hurt. Is that what you told me that struck me.

This is why David wanted to have that show what you said to me wise I love my cousin too much to let her say something even on social media that she might not be aware parts it even if it didn't hurt you.

You knew people that would view it through a different filter and say you took the time to meet with her and, I think you didn't mean to do this, but here's how it comes across to maybe not even me, but you can get reactions from other people that are sort of like me right right so even with the relationship and the love we had. I address on social media. I did address it fully. I said that's not what it is that's that statement is rooted in racism not you're not fat because we know the sacrifices you've made for our family, but that he letter and I love you. However, never, ever, ever, lets put a disclaimer out there is social media the time or the place and we see it, even in the boomers and never is that the place to ever have that conversation ever going to be reset when a team to guys your brother or sister offend you go, you go to your brother go face-to-face to your brother or sister, not social media not text go face-to-face and deal with it is to people who love each other and she didn't she hear you. We drove an hour and 1/2 just to have a conversation and to make sure that we cleared that air to say hey I know your heart and I should not have addressed this on social media. I should've called you. I should have the conversation that way and said hey I know your intention, but to other people. This is going to come off as racism. Is it really alive today which by the way, puts another puncture or or your feelings or illness really don't matter if your pan doesn't Matt right and that is in no way how she felt, or how she meant it. He was glad you could you share the statement will quickly let us know what it was that was said that was particularly struggle for you right so she said that this has nothing to do with race, indictment, which a lot of people say that a lot of say it today. A lot of people say today and so how one thing about it is especially hear people say I don't see race as another one is I have to see race.

I'll be honest, it's a it's a thing that it's one of those things were going to certain environments where I become a Holy Spirit speaking in tongues type of individual fly going because I have to make sure that the blood of Jesus covering. Honestly, this is how I feel and it's because I can't not be aware of who I am whenever I go into an environment I have to be if I'm not, it could come off a certain way where I could be labeled an angry black woman.

If I express my opinion a certain way have to be extra generous with my smiles, if that makes any said things in that nature. The something that I would never understand bridles on an older white guy and I just don't have to do with you know I don't have to worry about walking into a store, maybe having the security followed all of you right now.

Yeah, they all yell talks so that's like one of those things. It started as a key and so innocent. Explain why this is where I went to this they came over here. I never stole anything you know and so it's one of those things where okay. Whenever I pick something up. I can't go really close to my pockets ever. You know you just what and what happens is, this isn't necessarily the way to deal with it, but this is the way that I've coped is not you should try to make your presence extra comfortable so that you just avoid the nonsense is that the right way to deal with it. I'm not an activist right and so I can probably talk to the owner and I'm not very argumentative but but that's the way that I extra mild, gentle and overt in your love for other people and so they get that message from the beginning. So can we talk about showing the love for the people that my neighbor and that's I think that's what I think is too strong about you want to say that that guys probably put you in a place where you can say things that others can't. In this incident that you shared with me about your neighbor is stunning and it's beautiful and I whip left me to say that with the right so right grew up in a soup kitchen type of environment which was which meant we partnered with a bunch of grocery stores to make sure that if you do not have money to buy groceries or you need plates prepared that we were to make sure it was really like your feet to the streets go anywhere you can get people don't always look like they're hungry and you're right on Stilton is that what is that what she still she still doesn't hide what tell the name. It is called beauty for ashes ministries and she still to this day she's in a smaller environment. Now that she originally was. But she's she has all the same connections. So instead of just blessing her church.

She blesses the churches of Charlotte and so what that means is going. She can even feel it. Chiefs are freezer filled refrigerators are filled and so all these other churches who may not have these connections on the gift of having a conversation with people or the history of it. She goes and she make sure that there also supplied. She's continuing to bless the body of Christ, but the conversation that we had was about my my neighbor and I we continue to and he was white when he was he was white, and we would just go and bless our neighbors with a bunch of food right every single week. You never know who your blessing and we just go door-to-door, blessing our neighbors and he was living with his mother at the time, and later on down the years. Throughout the years he do started to gain a relationship with us and doing everything from cutting the grass for free everything and and so what ended up happening was he lost the home he lost his home loss. He lost his mother's home and she passed and we said what we gotta do a garage sale for you in the process of doing that sale. We found a KKK members card and God blessed us to help continue to help me understand your blessing this man and have for a while and he has blessed and he's a real relation is every relationship in the neighborhood and you find out he used to be in a KKK we found out that he used to be in the KKK and so we continue to we knew that we knew the relationship so we can stop at that point right we had to inhale mortgage so he delays his house right we pate weep.

We set all the money to him. So because he had moved down to Florida and so that he will be able to use the funds, and from there he had a conversation said this is what I was. This is not who I am now.

It was honestly the older picture that he had and it just shows a show that God will sometimes cover your eyes and your ears that you're not able to see the initial person that your meeting before he allows you to bless them for you guys became friends and then you were able to confront this part of his life and he was in years later on say that was part of my passion. That's not who I am anymore just when we come back what you give us some clues to on some other things that people say without even thinking that might be a little tender for few people who are African-American, I'm David Chadwick on this Martin Luther King weekend. Thank you for joining us will be right back. This is your you want, I'm David Chadwick and this is limited 99 Maryland to let you take it from here with Jasmine Ellis, our friend, your Martin Luther King weekend to try to give some practical examples off some generational sensitivities that we don't often think about as boomers Xers to millennial's in this area of racial injustice and racism getting a chance when you not had a chance to have this conversation and it was neat because were different generations and different races and so we were talking very forthrightly about some of these things that were going on in our were our world today is so crazy in the climate setup and I said Jasmine help me understand this. A friend of mine's younger daughter and she happens to be black, was offended when she drove by street one day and it said plantation estates and my friend. He's more my city didn't even Donna me that my daughter would be feeling that kind of pain and that open the door for you to say to me, well, you know there are other things that people say that may get under our skin or slightly finished and they wouldn't even realize they're doing it, and you gave me a very good example of something that somebody said do you want yeah that yeah so oftentimes we see after American kids that are intelligent, they'll come, well spoken messages. You know you're just another smart kid and so you're saying that the white person will say to you, you're so well spoken. Yeah, that was you talk to for black right exactly. So my mom was brought up in a town with a collar white lily in the white implied smart because she was in all the smart classes. People don't we set sometimes right right and so that's where the that the hit comes at the I don't think a lot of us really, get mad about that went specifically. However, it's one of those things where okay we know that that's an area of you not knowing and knowing that what you said you said I realize people just don't know they don't know because they don't know the root of it right for my mom. It was white lily because she was smart. He smiles a slight saying. Smart lily and for me is lily 78 mom up my mother's name is Lily and and for me it's you are so well spoken is just so amazing how well you speak and what that means is I speak like you you you know II speak in different vernaculars for four different sets of people and someone that's with that but but somebody might not feel racist or even condescending toward you and I might say that just because that's what they've always said and it will come across and that person is a friend of mine.

I told about our little conversation and my friend said I wish she would tell me more in the funny side.

I want to come talk to her I want her to tell me more things that I can do just to be empathic to be sensitive because we want to build brand here right and so are you. It has to do with are you making yourself open to that type of conversation.

Most people are not going to go for a fight. The lower ones are.

It seems like a lot of people going for fight.

But it's really only the allowance must be part that I want to have that type of confrontation and honestly if you talk about being a black person is asked of you often and so it feels exhausting. Do I want to have a conversation about race again for the 20 of town that experience it today know I had it wants in the past two months. Just tell us ways that we you told me you said you know, these conversations need to take place at the table with urine. If you have friends that are that you can have conversations and thank Ryan nine others. We we've done a really good job.

I think of making a lot of friendships, but a lot of people don't have friends of a different race or different generation right diversifying your circle and so what that means is art when environments are you getting in are you volunteering are you that the people what who are the people that are in your church who are the people who are your friends. These are areas where you should be trying to learn about different cultures and then from those relationships. You'll experience these quote unquote insights you asked me and David. You and I knew Jasmine's aunt for years and years and years and Jasmine asking the question yesterday when we were talking found how to target an amount not so well and that can even really remember who introduced you and Barbara and you and introduce me to her. All I know is that it was like the relationship just became like glue and it was a lot of men touring that took place cross-cultural Bible studies, we just couldn't get enough of being in her world and she and she and our world to imply loving another place where will Barbara in the inner-city learn so much from like pastor on the south side of town you farther from the truth. Right.

I learned as much from her more than she ever learn from the and we shared ministry together and we together and they loved each other together to the point where when she did pass away. She asked that I do her memorial service and I was of course honor to do that because when I looked at Barbara. I did see color. I saw a great woman of God would literally transform Jesus as it was a mutual the mutuality of and I think you go into a yellow with humility, saying yeah I may have some resources that will last you, but you have a lot of things in a bless me maybe even in a bigger website for spirit spiritual and I would say I will say I don't see race because I actually like to see race because I like differences I like think we all bring something to the table. That's another one euro and I don't she raise you and let me know what you think that's a great thing to be able to not see I have to see very well, like seeing color me because I might the nuances it brings to the body of Christ. I think everything brings something different but I will say this.

Barbara was sort of a mentor for me, your yacht was sort of a mentor for me in some areas that did have something to do with race, but not always.

Some of it was with parenting. We did some parenting classes together and she had unique insights into parenting and delete it's rich to learn from one another so I think the common ground that you found you found the passion you decided to go to a different environment that net wasn't necessarily your racial group and that was that you had a common passion with was was ministry, and from that the common athlete of ministry led you to a genuine friendship to the word and we were just friends. We were human beings created in the image of God, who just became good friends and that really is the key to overcome the racial issues that were celebrating this weekend with Martin Luther King to say hey we want to overcome this we really do want to sing that song we will overcome because it's still a hideous blight on our culture, but it can be overcome.

Candid Jasmine can be overcome. And like you say get so close they can't take a great friend of my bed and came up with that one, and we would dare move toward one another and empathize with one another and try to jump inside each other's skin that would be the key for all of us learning how to love one another and have the society overcome this awful blight. 10 seconds. Any final thoughts. Just continue to diversify your community and based upon the passions and moral.

More than likely there people that are around you that have the same commonalities and find other people that don't look like you to express those commonalities with and dear to asked the question what you think and listen to their heartbeat and jump inside your skin will draw you closer together. Thanks for being with me. Yeah, it's all about making friends in my hand, and happy Martin Luther King weekend to you all as you take tomorrow off. Reflect on the fact one human race relieve the color that should allow us all. One is red color of the blood because that's what you like, love God, love your neighbor goes to things of a lifetime's worth of work to do. I David Chadwick this is limited by all

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