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Matthew chapter 10, verse 28. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at info.org. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at info.org. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at info.org. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at info.org. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at info.org. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at info.org. A third book I would recommend is Christian Apologetics by Cornelius Van Til.

But that one I've got to warn you about. Because Cornelius Van Til was brilliant. And he is the one who basically codified what's called presuppositional apologetics. And you need to know what's called the classical, the rational, and the presuppositional. My personal opinion is that presuppositional apologetics is the best. It works.

And along those lines, there's a book called Presuppositional Apologetics by Greg Bahnsen. B-A-H-N-S-E-N. He was actually brilliant. He went to my alma mater and he passed away in the 90s. So he's incredible. But his material is a little heady.

And so what I would do is this. Among other things, I would get the audio and listen to the debate between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein. Greg Bahnsen, a Christian presuppositional apologist. And Gordon Stein, who was an atheist. He scheduled three debates. After the first debate, the atheist withdrew from the second, too. Because he got his clock cleaned.

I mean vacuum packed, sealed, and delivered back to him. Because the presuppositional approach was, and is, very powerful. And I've listened to that tape maybe 20 times in my life.

I call it tape. But that debate, I strongly recommend that you listen to it. Jeff Durbin, if you guys know who Jeff Durbin is, he and I talked. He listened to it over and over. He learned stuff all the time.

That's how brilliant Greg Bahnsen was. Then you can get a book called Apologetics. A Justification of Christian Belief by John Frame. F-R-A-M-E. Now John Frame was the successor of Cornelius Van Til. So Cornelius Van Til picked him to be his successor. And John Frame was my professor in seminary. And John, he's still around, and he's a brilliant man. His ability to take complicated things and break it down is awesome.

There's another book he wrote called Apologetics to the Glory of God. And so, there you go. I mean, there's just a lot of stuff for you to chew on. And you need a variety of information. And then if you want, I can tell you something else to do, if you're interested.

Okay. And I keep talking about doing it. I really need to do it. I need to do a video on how to do outlines. So I have outlines of about 30 different outlines I'm working on. And my outline on biblical apologetics, I don't even know how many pages it is. It's 114 pages. And what I would recommend that you do, if you're going to study.

And I'm serious. This is what I recommend. You either go to GoogleDocs.com or you go to Microsoft Office. Just Office.com. Office.com is very, very good. Better than Google Docs, in my opinion.

And it's free to sign up. Now, we've got a break coming up, so hold on. And I'll give you something to think about with this issue of doing outlines and why they're so vitally important. Okay, so hold on, buddy. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. I'll talk to Kevin from Indiana. And if you want to give me a call, 877-20722. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. It's 20 after the hour. If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines.

877-207-2276. Kevin, are you still there? Yes, sir. All right, man, I'm giving you a lot of stuff, huh? Yeah, yeah, it's been a bunch here. All right. Now, by reading a lot of stuff, you won't be able to remember because you'll be reading, learning, learning, reading, forgetting.

That's just how it works sometimes. So what I strongly, strongly recommend you do is, I don't know if you use Mac or PC, I use PC. You can have. You use PC also? Yeah. I have one, yes, but I can use.

Either one, it doesn't matter. But as long as you have an online system on the cloud that you can access on your phone, you can access on a laptop, a tablet, or your PC, or Macbook, whatever it is that you have. Each system has its, so I use Office.com. I used to use Google Docs, but now I use Office.com more and more.

I just like it better. All right. Create an outline, and an outline is incredibly useful. An outline of what it is you know. So when you first start, you're going to have a blank page, and there's nothing there, right?

Blank, okay. And then you can just start an outline using the Merrick system, and you type something and hit enter, and then it hit tab, and it moves over to the next level, and you can do stuff like this outlining. And what you do is put in alphabetical topics that you learn.

You ask God to teach you. Put in an alphabetical topic. Like I'm looking at my biblical apologetics outline. It's 113 pages, 113 pages, and the first entry is agnosticism. And what I do is I put agnosticism and I put an asterisk next to it, because the word agnosticism in my 113 pages might occur ten times, but I want the category of agnosticism, so I put an asterisk next to it. On my keyboard, I hit control F, type in agnosticism with an asterisk, and that goes right to the main category that I want.

I do this with Catholicism. I have, I don't know, 100 entry levels, whatever it is, and 75 maybe, and I have one on Mary. I hit Mary, asterisk, and it goes right to the main heading, where the word Mary might occur 200 times. So this is one of the tricks I've learned that makes it very easy. And then what you do is if you use Microsoft Word or use it online, you can hit a heading one for that level one and a heading two for the level two and a heading three for level three. And the reason this is so good is because it shows up on the left view panel so that you can see an outline of your outline. So you can scroll through the left, like I'm doing this right now, and I'm scrolling way down to morals and ethics, which is number 35. And then I have subcategories inside of it. And I can click on that, and I can see in my morals and category, I can see subjective goodness. I click that, I'm right there. Now, I do this because when I'm on the radio or I'm debating or I'm impromptu discussions in the venues, I need my information quick and slick, and so this is what I do.

I've developed this over the years. I'm good at it, and I find it very, very helpful. So I would recommend that you do the same thing. I'd recommend that you just practice, learn how to do outlining, go to a video. How do I do outlines on whatever program you use?

Go to YouTube and type it in, and oh, that's how you do that. Okay, great. Now, you put your information you learn in there, and sometimes the information will repeat in different categories because the same information applies in different categories.

That's okay. And it's a growing outline. You just do this, and you will be surprised at what you learn. You'll be surprised. And this way you can categorize, keep things handy, and you can be on a road trip with somebody at a hotel having a discussion. You go, well, hold on.

Let me access out of my phone because I know where I put those numbers. And then people look at you and go, ooh, you're really smart. Look at you. And you just say like I do, no, I just do outlines. That's it.

Okay? So do that, and I get books on Kindle. I have 899 books on Kindle.

I got rid of my hard library because I can put all my books on my phone, and I can search. And I take quotes, I put them in my outline. Here's a definition of this, a definition of that. I've done this with the word propitiation when I'm discussing.

Soteriology. And I'll do this. Anyway, this is what happens, and this is how you learn if you want to do apologetics, okay?

You'll need it, trust me. Yes. All right? Well. I know, I've been doing it for 45 years, so I picked up a few tricks. Okay.

I'm sure of it. All right. Can I ask another question? Yes, you can. Go for it. Okay, this has to do with the evil roots and restored names movement and all that stuff.

I heard you kind of brush up on it and brush it across it yesterday or something. And I definitely agree that nobody knows really how to say that. I mean, gosh, you've got so many different little offshoots that everyone spells the names different, says it different and everything. And I'm just wondering about the validity of all of that and, you know, just how that really fits in with modern Christianity.

I mean, because they are. You mean the sacred name movement? Yes, yes. Okay, have you heard of the Sephir Bible? No, I haven't. No.

Send me information. Okay. Yeah. Okay. The Hebrew Israelite outline I just opened up. It's only 11 pages.

But, you know, developing it. But if you were to send me a URL for, hey, look at this movement. Look at that. I can check it out. There's just so many. Oh, yeah, there's a bunch. Yeah, there is. There's a lot of stuff. Okay.

So anyway, I think you had a question, but I'm not sure if I answered it, though. No, I just, you know, they preach the Torah Torah Torah. And, you know, there's all kinds of distrust for the translations and the writing. And this has been corrupted and that corrupted and the English language is corrupted.

No, no, no. Yeah, those are wackos. They're people who have an agenda, have a presuppositional set of things that work from and, therefore, everything has to fit into it. So they'll say the Bible's been corrupted or white man's done this or the Catholic Church.

It just depends on the group. And the Bible can't be trusted. King James can't be trusted.

Whatever it is. And they are good cultists because they have a cult mind. It doesn't matter what facts you give. I've debated them before. I remember once I debated a guy, a pastor guy, he was in one of these movements, and he called me a child of the devil during our debates. And I'm like, OK, all right.

OK, thank you for saying that. And he would rebuke me in the name of Jesus, or you are a child of the devil. I rebuke you. And I said, OK, well, the Bible says blah, blah, blah. And he wouldn't address the issues.

They have this mental, they don't have all their paws in the litter box. How about that? OK. So I have to say that. All right, buddy.

There's a break. We've got to go. All right.

That help? OK. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. All right, man. God bless.

Hey, folks. Be right back after these messages. 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

It is Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy.

877-207-2276. Just want to give you a heads up. We'll not be live on the air tomorrow or the next day because that's Wednesday, Thursday, because they're having a snow front coming in where the people who run the show are at the station on the East Coast. And so we're taking those two days off. And Lord willing, we'll be back on live on Friday. And then next week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I will be in Texas.

So we won't have a live show there during those days either. I'll be in Texas at a national religious broadcasting network. Let's get to Jose from Texas. Jose, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. How are you doing? I'm hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. What do you got, buddy?

Hey, man. Just a quick question. So I don't know if there's like a definition for Christian nationalists, but anyways, is it okay for a Christian to adhere to a Christian national idea or no? Depends on what we mean by Christian nationalism. That's what it all comes down to.

And there's different degrees of stuff. There's Christian identity and Christian nationalism, and they're not the same thing, though they have similarities. So basically Christian nationalism, and I wrote an article. I'm looking at my article on this.

I wrote this article back in July of 24 last year. So it does not seek to have the white race in political control, but Christian identity does. Christian nationalism seeks to merge Christian values and beliefs on the national level, yet allows for disagreement. And the Christian identity says, no, no, let's get it totally dominant and stuff like that. So Christian nationalism says that the national level, abortion, LGBTQ, socialism, stuff should be opposed. I agree with that. Absolutely. The white race is not superior. No racial segregation is necessary or advised. Jews are not our adversaries and et cetera.

Now, what was interesting is, so yes, you could be a Christian nationalist under those conditions. None of that. What I did was, I could do this every now and then, I have three different AIs on my system I can go to. And I went to chat GPT, and it says the same thing I say. Depends on what you mean by it, and here's some things, et cetera, et cetera.

I went to Gemini, which is Google's thing, and it, oh, it got it wrong. It did it really bad. It says, no, you can't be a Christian nationalist.

The United States was founded on the principle of separation of church and state. No, it wasn't. It was not. Was it? No, it was not. No.

How wrong? If you read, I would recommend, in fact, this is a little tangent. Read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I don't know of people who have. I have, a few of my close friends have, we hold similar values and stuff, but I would read, and you'll see Christian principles that are woven into it.

In fact, when the 13 colonies were around, and you tried to decide what government to have to unite and govern the 13 colonies, they asked ministers to go to the Bible and say what form of government should we use, and that laid the foundation for the Constitution of the United States of America. Dead serious. I understand. All right.

I guess some people feel, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead.

Go ahead. No, I was just saying, I guess some people that are nonwhite, like I'm not white, but I don't mind that term as long as we know exactly what we're saying though, right? Because there's people out there that they're not nonwhite and y'all are just Trump haters, right? They're just Trump haters. And they're saying, oh, you know, I have a lot of friends, by the way, that are brothers in Christ, and they're saying, you know, Christian nationalism is a heresy.

I'm like, well, no, hold on. We got to, can you define what that is? Can you define it? And what they'll tell me is it's a code word.

It's a wide period. Then I just say, yeah, okay. Then what you would define that would be Christian identity, right? But what I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong on, on, you know, being proud of being American, right? Being proud of being American and I'm being proud of being American, but also like, also like longing for, for the nation to come back to its original roots.

Right? There's nothing wrong with that, but there's some people that see it. You know, that in some kind of form of Christian nationalism because we're supposed to be, they're more pessimistic against it in a way saying that we're here to evangelize and we're not here to change the government, which is here to evangelize all people and not be part of any political movement, which I strongly disagree because I believe that just like, you know, we were supposed to, and we're supposed to, I get that, you know, to all commit to our race. It doesn't matter who it is, but we're all supposed to pray. And first I think if I'm at stake in second Timothy two, where it says, uh, we're supposed to pray for our government, you know, government or, you know, government and everybody opposed the authority anyway.

So there's nothing wrong to, uh, you know, pray for God to, you know, change the nation for, for, for no good. But I think it's because of that, I think because of that Trump agenda, Trump syndrome, I didn't want to call it Trump, whatever. There's people that, you know, especially like the Hispanic race, they're so against the Christian nationalism, but they don't even know how to define it. It's just that they just did white supremacy.

Uh, and I think that's totally wrong. I just say, look, I think you're confusing Christian identity movement with Christian nationalism. Christian identity is racist. That it is.

Right. But Christian nationalism is not. And then one of the things I w I want to ask them who say that this is all racist on our part, I'm a white guy. I want to ask them, you know, and I say, well, what, what, uh, what, uh, I don't believe there's one race. I don't believe in three races like Asian, I mean, white, black and Asian or whatever. I don't believe in three ways. I don't.

I really don't. I just believe there's one race. I just say, what color skin, what's your heritage, whatever to differentiate the kids, black, white, there's brown, there's whatever. And, uh, so, you know, I say, are you being racist?

Are you doing that? Because a lot of times only white people are, are said to be racist. You know, I've heard, I've seen videos where the exact same thing is said to blacks and whites and you see the hypocrisy that comes for, you know, it's, everybody's there, but uh, just clarify that's Christian identity, not Christian nationalism, not Christian nationalism.

Exactly. I raise them, racism accords, it's, it's, it's a sin, but also white shaming is also a sin too. Because you can't say all white are, are, are racist. And that's the thing, that's my point I'm trying to get at with this brother that I'm talking to, going back and forward about the whole Christian activism. And I'm like, you just can't do that. You know, like raise the white, you know, the, the, the, the white shame and try to like, try to get the white to, you know, to, to, to bend the knee and get in the way of saying, okay, you know, Christian activism, it is bad. It's not smart. But I think, yeah, it's not smart.

Say it anyway. It's not smart for them to shame, to try and do white shaming because it'll cause people to, it causes separation. It causes division. It causes resentment. It causes anger.

And they need to stop it because they're being used to the devil for that. I'm an Hispanic. And for me, I don't see like, I don't see that problem with white, you know, white race or, you know, like for me, I think it's the same once we do that, try to like blame a typical white race. Oh, you know, they're all racist.

And that's not, that's not true. You know, I understand that there is some white people, you know, that are any race, right? And they are racist. And especially like in Mexico to work, you have like complex skin that were, they think they're in fear. Just like my, my grandma, she was, she was very, uh, she was a white complexity and she was, uh, she was a racist with my mom because she was more of a dark skin. Right.

She had more of the best skin. And I think just to, just to include, just, you know, to make it exclusive to only white American, I've been at the sin and it's very troubling to me that that's the effect of sin upon the mind, the noetic effect that they're so brainwashed as part of the cult mentality that they are good, but everybody else is bad. This kind of idiocy, you know, I go to Southern California, mostly go and start a couple. And I had a lot of Hispanic friends. I mean, I I'm semi fluent in Spanish because of it. I get a lot more to learn and I didn't care, you know, I didn't care who they were, what we didn't care about me. It wasn't an issue. We just hung out, you know, whatever. And, uh, you know, I, I, I'd, uh, joke with them and they joke with me.

We just, you know, about our, our heritage was all in love, all in fun. And that, that's it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks man.

I really appreciate that. I needed a, I needed someone at least, you know, at least someone that I guess in a way that is white and can also say, Hey, you know, this is what we believe, you know, cause I think when it comes to them, like, I guess like why first hand or whatever, Christian, you know, you don't get that feeling where like, they're all racist. Cause there's people that, especially the Spanish world somehow, not all right. But if some, some, some sex that they're saying, they'll, they'll just white change all like in general, just all like, you know, Christian, non-Christian, um, white thing, which is not, it's not good. I think for me in my opinion, that's, that's, that's been up to them too.

It is. We all need to look at each other as, uh, as one race. We have different sizes, shapes, skin colors. That's it.

One race. That's how I view people. And when I see people who are different than me, I actually train myself that that's a human soul. This is what God looks at. And that's how I view it.

And that's it. I don't care. I don't care what color you are.

And my daughters, you know, someone asked me, your daughters, have they married black or, or Mexican or whatever, which I don't care, except I want to be godly. That's all I care about. It doesn't matter. Right. Right. So, you know, that's it.

Oh, there's the music buddy. We got to go. All right. Take that. Okay, man.

Hasta la. Okay. We'll see you.

All right. Hey, we'll be back with Aaron from Texas on Church Discipline next. Please stay tuned. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. We'll be off the air live, that is. I won't be doing a live show tomorrow or Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday, because it'll be the 19th and the 20th of this month, February, because they're having a snow front, a huge snow front coming in to where they do the radio show online or something like that. So we'll be back on Lord willing on Friday. And I'll be out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday next week, heading out to Texas to do some stuff out there. Let's get to Aaron from Texas.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Aaron. I'm in Texas. Where are you coming out next week?

We're going to be going to Dallas. Okay. Good.

Good. So I have a question. It's related to Church Discipline.

So a little background. We have some friends that we used to attend a Reformed Baptist-type church. We ended up going to a different church over time. And we kind of reunited with this family. They kind of got booted out of the church because they were observing Old Testament feasts. I don't have all the background of exactly the meeting or why they got asked to leave the church.

Now, he was an elder in that Reformed Baptist church. But they started to do the kind of Old Testament things. Anyway, so we got back together with them.

Their kids play together. It's mostly been a secular relationship, but we have noticed over the years that it's gotten more and more secular. Anyway, long story short, some other friends of ours recently had had some discussions with them. And unbeknownst to us, I guess we always thought they were kind of messianic Jews headed in that direction. But come to find out, they deny Christ. They deny the New Testament, et cetera. And they're now going to a synagogue. So some other good friends of ours that are also friends of these people have basically cut off.

They've completely cut off fellowship. Their kids have been instructed to do not write letters, do not call and talk to them. Basically, kind of like a church discipline thing, too. I guess we want to do what's correct, what's biblical. Their contention is they need to repent. They need to come back to Jesus.

They need to come back to where they seem to be. And I guess it just seems harsh. Another complication is that our oldest son and their oldest daughter is in a very serious relationship that probably is headed towards marriage. So it's a very touchy situation. We don't want to – I mean, our heart is not to cut fellowship with these folks. But at the same time, if that's the right thing to do, to bring them to a point where they kind of hit rock bottom, so to speak, and realize, hey, we messed up, we repent, we're coming back to the Lord. Does that make sense? Yes, that's the intention of discipline in the church for restoration.

But a lot of times it doesn't happen. If they are going into the Old Testament feasts and stuff and trying to keep them, the question is why. Are they doing it in order to keep themselves right with God?

Are they doing it because they just like doing it? The first one is heresy. No, they're basically becoming – they're basically Jewish. So they've denied Christ. They've left the New Testament. They don't believe it's Scripture, et cetera. So they're heretics.

So we verify that. Yeah, they're false teachers. They're heretics.

And I wouldn't let my children have anything to do with them because the children generally, depending on their age, aren't capable of differentiating. So we have people who have left the church, left stuff, and the Bible says avoid those who cause division, Titus 3, verse 10. Reject the factious. And the word there in Greek is heresy. So – and then don't even have fellowship with people who don't bring the true Gospel.

And this is what the Bible talks about in 1 John also. You don't even eat with them. So that would include even a secular relationship.

Well, see, now I was going to say here – okay. So let's just say I have a neighbor who's an atheist. Will I do things with him?

Sure, I'll go fishing with him. I'll do stuff because I'm going to ultimately try and witness to him and live a life that – bring him to Christ. That's different than someone who knows the faith but in the faith and then argues against it knowingly. That's different. And there's a sense in which we want to guard ourselves and others from that. Now, personally, I can handle it. I mean, this is what I do for a living. I can get in with that.

I can mix it with the best of them. But most people can't. And this is why we don't want to have those who are weak in their faith be ruined, so to speak, because of this kind of thing. So there's a wisdom issue.

What I would do if I were you, I'd talk to the elders at your church about it because you'd get more details in with them and talk. But generally speaking, yeah, you want to avoid them because they're people who used to know and have openly rejected, and they're going to try and get others to join them in their heresy and rejection of Christ. So that's a problem. Yeah.

Okay. Well, and we haven't spoken with them directly. This has all been kind of behind the scenes, and we will directly speak to them and let them talk for themselves. But our other friends had thought that, and I've never heard of this before, they said there is a part of Judaism where they have what they call reverse evangelists that are actually evangelized Christians to try to get them to reject Christ, and that may be what kind of spurred some of this on. Yeah, we call them anti-missionaries. So yes, they are.

That's right. I've not written on Judaism, but I do have a friend who's an expert at it. He's actually Jewish, who's a Christian, and he knows all the arguments. He goes out and speaks, and he does stuff. So I can always refer to him, but I'd suggest studying and getting ready for these false teachers.

They're essentially equivalent to Judaizers. And we want to be careful about them. Yeah. All right. Well, I appreciate it very much, and enjoy your trip to Texas.

Okay, brother. God bless. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right, now let's get to Nadja from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hi there. My question is, how do you feel about wives who take over the husband's ministry after they've passed away? It depends. What kind of ministry is it? Are you talking about being a pastor? I mean, I'm assuming that's the role. Someone like a Peggy Ruth.

I don't know if you... Peggy George Ruth. So here's the thing. You could have a ministry, like what I do on the web, for example, writing articles about theology. I think there's some great women who could do a great job at something like that and take over if God were to put that in place.

I wouldn't have any problem with that. They're not to be in spiritual authority over men in the church, or not to be pastors, or not to be elders, or not to be deacons. Period. The Bible says no.

And so if any woman steps into her husband's ministry where he was preaching and teaching, and she starts doing that, then she's in rebellion against God and the Word of God. Okay. Okay. And now, so I'm thinking of, I know Charles Stanley passed away a year or two maybe ago, and his son took over his ministry, and it's just not, he's not the right one for that job, right?

Well, I don't know if you're familiar. He's a heretic. He does heresies in Samaritan Falls, or some things I should say. He shouldn't be teaching, that's what I should say. Right. Right. Right.

So, if you have a woman who is, and she does sermons, and they're on YouTube. She's wrong. She's wrong for doing that. She's wrong for doing that. Okay.

Okay. And so, I guess what I'm trying to understand is, if we pass it down to our male son who does an awful job, that is equivalent of passing it on to a woman. Well, this is, okay, if a pastor is there of a church, and he has a ministry going on, and he passes away, the elders, the male elders of the church, need to raise up someone else, either among them, their eldership, or find someone else who can do the job. He'd be called, he's being male, needs to understand what the theology is, et cetera.

He's being grounded and trained. The elders must be able to refute error and teach sound doctrine. Women are not eligible for this, and it doesn't mean a child, a son, automatically takes it over, just because he's a son.

The question is, is that individual called of God? Because it's what's called the internal and internal calls. Right. Okay.

Right. But it's your position that the calling to do that is male, not correct? It's the biblical position, not my position. Paul says, do you not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man but remain silent, for Adam was first created. He says, that's 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13, he ties the issue of authority over to the created order so it's not cultural. In 1 Timothy 5, 17, he talks about, I believe it was 5, 17, he talks about the pastors who rule well, the elders who rule well, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. So a preacher, teacher, is an elder.

And then in 1 Timothy 3... So how do you deal with... Hold on, hold on.

In 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1, it specifically says the elders are to be men of one woman, husband of one wife. I'm familiar. Okay. I guess, so how do you deal with all things that are possible through Christ, or there's neither male nor female, nor Jew nor Greek, how do you deal with those? No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Let me do, okay. All things are possible, we only have a little bit of time here left at the end of the show. All things are possible does not mean that God contradicts himself through his inspired word of the prophets and the prophets. He doesn't contradict himself.

That's one thing. There's no male or female in Christ deals with the issue of in Christ as a federal headship. It's not to do with an office. It has to do with their salvation as equal. There's no male nor female in Christ. In Christ is a term of representation.

It has nothing to do with church order. People, see, most Christians could not argue their way out of a wet paper bag. Most Christians don't know how to exegete scripture. Most people don't know Christian doctrine. Most Christians don't know what they need to teach in that tape.

Most Christians fail in the doctrine of the Trinity, who Jesus is, what he's done on the cross. Believe it or not. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Seriously. I just have, it's interesting just because I've been blessed by her sermon. Well, sure. Especially on sickness and illness. But so?

You know, it's kind of hard to reconcile. Well, okay, what I would do is go to my website and look up, can women be pastors and elders? Or just go to Google. Type in, can women be pastors and elders?

Type in my name, Matt Slick, next to it. You'll find the article. It goes through the scriptures. This is not an issue of what we see and what we desire. That's the fruit of the tree, the knowledge of good and evil. She saw it was good. It was being beneficial. So she made a decision based on what her senses said, not on God's word. This is the same thing that needs to be avoided with this issue of women pastors and elders, because 80% of the churches and denominations that are women that adopt women pastors and elders within two generations started going pro homosexual. All right.

Well, yeah, but men started that trend. No, no, no. I'm just saying that we're out of time. I wish we could talk.

Call back on Friday when I'll be back on live and then we can, we can talk some more about it. Okay. Sorry. We got to go. All right. We could talk more about it, but ran out of time. May the Lord bless you.

Why is Gracial back on there on Friday? We'll talk to you then. Have a good one. God bless. We'll talk to you later.