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Appreciate it. I get to do radio. And what a privilege that has been for almost 20 years full time. I mean, not full time, but I mean, five days a week doing radio. So I started 2004 on January 2nd, and that had a glitch for a week or two with between networks and been doing radio since then, you know, five days a week, did two years of radio before that, where I was on once a week.
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It was interesting. Anyway, no big deal. But if you want to give me a call, the number is easy. 877-207-2276. And also, I just want to let you know that you can email us.
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So he got me good. So anyway, off the week of Christmas. And then we're back on, on, I guess, the second, right?
That'd be the second of January, which is a Thursday. So yeah, it'll be a nice little vacation, especially for the guys at the radio station. So there you go. All right, all right, all right. Hey, let's get on the air with Alan from Virginia.
Alan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man, how's it going? It's gone, man.
It's gone. So where do you go, buddy? So what I'll go in, I'll get into it probably. But, uh, what does Romans six 23 exactly mean? Well, when you say exactly, uh, well, I would just say it says what it says. That's what it exactly says. Now, if you can say, was it mean, we can talk about some stuff in there if you want Romans six, three, the wages of death, free gift of God is eternal life of Christ. Jesus, our Lord. Yes.
So what's up? So basically I'm trying to figure out, does, okay, so, cause my understanding of the wages of sin is that, uh, for the elect, it's redeemed when Jesus died on the cross for the non elect, it's redeemed whenever they physically die. Oh, it's redeemed. What's the, that is redeemed. I don't understand. What's the redeemed, the wages of sin is redeemed.
Oh no, he, what are you saying there? The wages in his death, because sin is breaking the law of God. And that's first John three, four. So a wage is what you, you get under contract. It's a legal kind of a binding.
You give your word as legal and you agree to do some certain something. Well, God gave the law. And so by breaking the law, you, so to speak, earn death. He's just being a little bit poetic here. The wages of sin is death.
You earn through your breaking of the law, death, which is separation from God, Isaiah 59, two. Okay. All right. Okay. So it doesn't, so it doesn't necessitate eternal separation.
Yes, it does. Weight is in his death. Now see the elect, uh, and a lot of people don't like the doctrine of election predestination, but I'm sorry, that's what Ephesians one, four and five teaches it just clearly does Ephesians one, four and five at check it, everybody and everybody will read it He chose us in him before the foundation of the world. So the elect were in Christ before the foundation of the world and Jesus canceled the certificate of debt, the sin debt at the cross, Colossians two 14. It's not canceled when you believe it's canceled at the cross.
You're justified when you believe. But then there's this theory, not theory, but there's this issue called the now and the not yet. And this is a kind of, of, uh, of it's now, but it's not, it's a, it's a time thing. It, he, when Jesus was on the cross 2000 years ago, we were not yet yet. He bore our sins in his body and the cross first Peter two 24. So what happened is our sins were imputed to him.
They were given to him, reckoned to him. He became sense at Corinthians five 21. So, uh, the, though our sin we're not yet existing because we, we, um, we're not born, he imputed our future sins to him.
And so that was the now and the not yet. It's an actuality that occurs in time for us and in Christ too. But so what it is, is the, the elect are, uh, Jesus says, I come, you know, he says, I came down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. This is the will of him who sent me. This is the will of him who sent me that all that he's given me, I lose none. That's Roman.
I was going to be John six, one 38, 39. So the, the will of the father that Jesus not lose any given by the father to the son, well, the election occurred in Ephesians one four before the foundation of the world. So nevertheless, uh, a person is not born forgiven. They're born in a state, you know, like I say, an atheist, it gets converted at eight to 50, he's under the functional judgment of God and the wrath of God. But God makes no mistakes and he calls and grant repentance. Second Timothy two 25, he grants that people believe Philippians one 29 and he does this when he calls them and he causes them to be born, born again.
First Peter one three. So this is, uh, the balancing act between the now and the not yet. That is relative here. Okay. Okay. Um, does that mean then if you are part of the elect, that your sin would not be punished by God while you live? No, I'm not punished by God while you live.
It was put on Jesus 2000 years ago. Okay. So, so if you sin as, as deal as part of the elect, while you're living, you are not punished for that.
Oh yeah. You can still be punished for it. Absolutely. Now, but if someone were to stone for it, if someone steals something really bad, it's a felony and theft and he's caught, he goes to jail. It might be the case that Jesus bore that person sin. And so the consequences of the sin still are in effect for us in real time. But ultimately Christ has paid that and then purchased for himself, for the father, those people who belong to him, who are given by the father to the son. Okay. So you're saying there can be a separation of the, uh, legal debt to God and the consequences of the action in the world?
Well, yes, the legal debt of Christ was, was born 2000 years ago. Is that correct? Well, about that, yeah. I'm sorry. What?
I didn't hear you. You what? He said, well, that's about right. Cause you know, like 20, 24, you know, well, it says he canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees, which is also to us, he took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
So it was done at the cross. I just don't like saying 2000 exactly. Um, it's just a reference number.
It's just a reference number. That's all 2000 years ago. That's all it is. Okay. I get it.
I get it. But, um, so 2000 years ago, he bore our sin in his body and the cross, but he didn't exist yet then did we, but how's that possible how's it possible if we don't live because time is different with God than it is with us, he's not restricted by time the way we are. We don't know how God works.
People say he's outside of time. I don't say that because the Bible doesn't say that, but I know that he relates to time differently than we do. And I don't know how it works, but he elected us in Christ before the foundation of the world, this is God's choice before we existed. That's what he, that's what the Bible says. He didn't elect us based on foreseen goodness in us, which is against scripture and James two, two through four, but he chose us in him and we don't know all the criteria. We just don't know. We don't know if your prayer to have someone be saved influences God in the way that he decrees.
I just don't know. But what we do know is this thing called the now and the not yet. Christ was, when he was on the cross bore our sin, that was his now, but it was not yet that we were alive. And yet when we are born, our sin for the elect is paid for and removed and canceled.
Second Corinthians, uh, excuse me, uh, Colossians two 14, first John two, two for a picture. A sacrifice is a sacrifice that removes wrath. It doesn't make it possible.
It's done. And so then those who are going to come to faith are granted that at the time that God calls, cause he draws us John six 44 and we can't come to him unless it's granted by the father, John six 65. So all in God's sovereign plan, how he woos, he wills, he calls us, he speaks to us, we, uh, are, are not forced. And we get to the place where the conviction and the work of God through all of history, all of our time and all of our lives brings us to that place.
God regenerates us. He grants that we believe that's what the Bible says. And, uh, and that's it. And the manifestation of God's election and sovereignty is culminate, so to speak when we believe, and that's when we are justified, having therefore been justified by faith from his five one, and what's interesting when I started studying this years ago, and I was surprised that we're not, that the sin that's not canceled when you believe it's canceled with Jesus Christ died on the cross because he's a propitiation. And it's a theological perspective.
Very few people study. And so anyway, there's that, you know, okay. Yep. Uh, so what I'm getting at with all this is why was Moses punished when he hit the rock twice? If he, I'm assuming he's part of the elect, why was he punished? Well, we are, we are still punished for our sins and our consequences of our sin and rebellion. Just because, just because Jesus bore our sin doesn't mean that we don't have to suffer the consequences in this life or the bad things that we do. You know, if, if someone steals or they murder, they're going, they're going to pay the consequences for it, but those things can be forgiven and get the effects of sin continues. And what I say to people is, as I say, uh, sin can be forgiven, but the effects continue.
So if I punch you in the nose and break your nose and you forgive me, this forgiveness occurs, but the effect is still there now when we get back to the break, if you don't mind, I'll answer the question why Moses was in trouble for striking the rock twice. Okay. Let me get back.
All right, hold on buddy. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy.
877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Alan. Are you there? Yep.
Can you hear me? All right. Yes. Okay. Now, so thinking about it, uh, could you say the effect of sentence is still persist even though the legal forgiveness, um, between man and God has been has been forgiven, uh, how does that work?
Yes. So how does that work when the juror, when the direct consequence was caused by God and not just a matter of, uh, worldly, worldly consequences, understand the direct consequence. What do you mean by direct consequence caused by God? Um, cause he prevented, uh, or that Moses and, uh, Israel from entering, um, the promised land from that, right.
As a consequence. Yes, because of their sin, you know, all the actual sin that they actually committed and the sins that had actual consequences, those are real in real time. And Jesus removed the sin debt that, uh, was hostile against them. He paid that price, satisfying the wrath of God, the father for salvation. I still don't, I still don't quite understand cause the punishment was caused by God, but yet was forgive, but yet this sin was forgiven by God. So if it was forgiven, I don't understand why he would, why he would still punish.
Um, because that's what he does. So the fact is, for example, Moses struck the rock twice. I'll explain why that was a sin for him, but he struck the walk, the rock twice, and it was a sin. And so he actually did it.
He actually suffered a consequence. The sin ultimately is against God in order for anyone to enter into heaven. The sin has to be propitiated, it has to be taken care of. So the sin is against God. It's his character that needs to be appeased, his righteousness that does. And that's what the sacrifice of Christ does. It appeases the work of God or the necessity before God at the same time, canceling our sin debt to God. But it doesn't mean that the effects of what we do here on earth are suddenly not there. So anybody who would murder and steal and do stuff still has the consequences. And God is the one who initiated the rules through his ultimate work, Romans 13, for the keeping of order. So if an atheist, for example, gets saved at 50 and he goes out and robs a bank and he does 15 years in jail, in prison.
Well, okay. Well, we know that from eternity past, because he's one of the elect, that the sin is covered by God before the father and it will be taken care of so that on the day of judgment, he's not going to be judged for damnation, but on earth, the consequences of his sin are real because God has given the law says, don't do this stuff. And if you do, there's consequences to it. And they suffer the, you suffer the consequences for it, but the ultimate forgiveness is in the hands of God. And that's paid for from, from God.
The time of Christ, and yet we still have the effect of it in the real world. Okay. They're different. So the effect of sin upon God is different than the effect of sin in the world. Okay.
So let's see if I'm understanding it. So basically the, um, forgiveness of sin only, only, um, the, the, the, the only, um, is for the, um, basically for salvation. It has, it has no bearing on G basically or your, so you're still punished for your sin on in the world, but you're not damned for it.
Right. There's an effect of it because God wants order in the world. And so he's given us laws, which reflect his laws in the old Testament. You know, there are certain laws that were, that were necessary for the people of Israel. And there were people who did bad things and the high priest on Yom Kippur would go in and offer sacrifices and they would be appeased.
They would, they'd be okay. So to speak, there were sacrifices that individuals had to do for individual sins. And yet those sins were remitted.
They were taken care of, but they had to do this as a consequence of their actually breaking the law. And, and the weight is of sin is death. You know, Romans 6 23, but also God says to Adam, the day that you eat of the fruit, you're going to die. And that's Genesis 2 17.
He ate the fruit and that day he did die, spiritual separation from God. Yet that sin was also paid for by Christ. So the effect of sin is still upon us in this world as the consequences of what God has covenantally worked in us and in the world that we're in, in Adam.
1 Corinthians 15 22, because of his covenant relationship to us as the federal head, we have the consequences of that sin and the effect of sin upon us. But the spiritual aspect of it before God has been taken care of so that when we face God, we're cleansed, we're justified and we're okay. But in the meantime, we've got to suffer the consequences for the things that we do that are wrong.
It's like I said, as an illustration, I punch you in the nose or you punch me in the nose, whatever. And the nose is broken and, uh, you know, you forgive me. Well, the effect of that is still there, even though the forgiveness is there. And so just because something's forgiven doesn't mean that there's no consequence for it. It just means it's forgiven because of who it's against God.
He's forgiven us. Okay. And it only applies for, uh, so it only applies to, um, and prevention of damnation for the seven.
Yeah. It's the, the sacrifice of Christ is a propitiatory act that removes the wrath of God. Propitiation, hellosmos in the Greek does not mean that if you trust in Christ, then the sacrifice of Christ becomes powerful. This is a humanist philosophy that is taught in so many churches that, that Jesus died on the cross, but you and your wisdom have to think about it. And then you, when you decide to apply the sacrifice to yourself by faith, then it becomes effective for you. And that's just man centered theology. It's crud.
It's no good. The sacrifice of Christ removed the wrath of God. It, it canceled that sin debt, Colossians 2 14, when it was nailed to the cross. And so the only logical thing to say, excuse me, at this point is that it was done for the elect and I can show why that's the case and that those elect are granted justification when God grants that they believe. We have a righteous that's not our own, a righteous that comes from God, Philippians 3 9.
This is advanced theology and most people don't like it because it means that God's the sovereign King, not us. That God's the one who decides who gets saved, not us ourselves. And to that, I say, remember the words of the devil. You will be like God knowing good and evil. That the echo of the adenic lie from the evil one is that we will be the ones who decide what is true.
Decide what is right. Decide what we ought to not not do and decide who gets saved. This is part of the adenic lie, but when you really started the theology, you realize that God elected us in Christ before the foundation of the world, Ephesians one, four, and that he predestined us Ephesians one, five.
That's just what it says. As many as it says in Romans 8 29, he says, those who before knew, he also predestined. The four known ones are also the predestined ones are the same group. And these are the ones that he glorified as you read in the next verse that they were justified or glorified. This is because the work of God is absolute and true. But in the meantime, we suffer consequences of our actions in the real world.
But God has forgiven us and for him, and we are guaranteed salvation. Okay. Okay. But do you have any, do you have any, uh, we got a break.
We got a break. Hold on. Hold on. I'll be right back.
Okay. And then we'll get to Dave from Salt Lake City. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.
Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Uh, just reading a book review on my book.
What are my books? Um, okay. Let's get back. Oh, wait a minute.
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Alan, you still there? Yep. Yep. Yeah.
I don't take too much of your time, but this is kind of one of the first times I've heard about the difference between sin effect and sin forgiveness, especially with someone who, uh, was an elect in the Bible. Um, do you have any resources that I can use to study this? Yeah, the Bible. That's it. I mean, I don't, you know, uh, I could write an article on this and go through it in depth, but I don't know any books or anything that goes in that particularly, uh, in deep.
I just don't know. I'm sure people have written it, but think about this, you know, Adam and Eve, we're in the garden, right? And did, so let me ask you, did Jesus, uh, pay for Adam's sin?
What do you think? Did he? Um, and if he was an elect or not. Well, okay. So if he paid for Adam's sin, then the sin was in the world because it entered the world through Adam Romans five 12. So how about a Christian who, you know, for a fact is going to heaven.
Let's say he got converted at the age of 50. So he's going to heaven. All right. Did he sin? Yeah. Okay. Are there consequences to his actions in the real world?
Of course there are. That's all that's going on. But the sin against God is what we have to have forgiven. That's what Jesus did. It doesn't mean that because they're forgiven against God doesn't mean that we don't have to undergo the discipline of God upon us or the work of God in sanctifying us. And having us suffer through the consequences of our, our own sins here.
And that's the case. I mean, how many of us adults don't have, I mean, we have regrets for things we've done when we were younger as a Christian. I have so many regrets. I have so many regrets and yet I'm forgiven.
It doesn't mean that I don't have to suffer the consequences of some of those. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate it, man. Thank you for your time. All right. Well, God bless. Okay. You too. Okay. All right. Well, the next guy, sorry for the wait, but it was a bit of an interesting call. He wanted to discuss old earth or young earth.
And so he's gone. So what I'm going to do anyway is talk a little bit about some of the science that I think is worth looking at about the age of the earth. Now, just so you guys know, I'm one of the few guys who has no interest in watching sports on TV. It just bores me.
It just does. My idea of a good time is a documentary. I know I got issues. And we watch a doc, a good documentary.
My wife and I watched a couple nights ago and last night too, two nights on was it a three mile island. That was really well done. It was informative. I enjoyed that. Well, anyway, so that's my kind of thing. And I love science. And so I've read a lot of books on science and on both sides of things and evolution. And I love science. I really do.
I appreciate it. But did you know, did you know this? Check this out. This is from nature.berkeley.edu. All diamonds are at least 990 million years old.
Many are 3.2 billion years old. Diamonds are carried to the surface by volcanic eruptions. So there you go. There you go. And there's many quotes like this, but diamonds are millions and millions and millions of years old.
All right. Why is that important? Because of carbon 14. Now, carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years. What that means is that in 5,730 years, excuse me, half of the mass of the carbon 14 is gone. So if you have a squirrel, for example, that eats and breathes, that's how carbon 14 comes into an organism, comes in the respiration, being the environment, living organisms have it, and through eating and things like that. And so when this squirrel dies, it gets covered by mud, he ceases the input of carbon 14, which means then that a half life, that if he has, hypothetically, one gram of carbon 14 in his body when he dies, that in 5,730 years, just not even doing anything, just now has a half a gram.
That's all it is. It's just it's because there's energy being expended on the atomic level, and particles move and groove and things and energy dissipates. It's actually moved away from the molecules, and so then the mass decreases. Now, the reason this is important is because it's called carbon dating. Now, what they'll do is they can carbon date things for several tens of years, and they can date things for tens of thousands of years old, but not millions, and the reason is because after about 100,000 years, there should be no carbon 14 left in anything that was once alive. So it should not have any carbon 14. I think it took 93,000 years. 100,000 years there should be no carbon 14 in any organism that had died, which 100,000 years is there, that's it, it's gone.
Plants, animals, fish, doesn't matter. Yet, scientists are finding carbon 14 in diamonds and coal shells, which are supposed to take millions of years to form. How is it possible for carbon 14 to still be there after such a long time? Well, that's a problem. Now, the evolutionists are the millions of years old believers in how old the Earth is. This kind of information is either ignored, and it's more like this. I'll explain. It's either ignored or it's explained away.
Well, you see, what happened was after 5 million years of the animal being dead, carbon 14 was pressure cooked into it. And it's like, really? And this is a problem because it doesn't work like that. But this is not something you hear about. You don't hear about it in school when you're taking your evolution class because it needs millions and millions and millions and billions of years for things to work.
But you don't hear about this. I remember I had a great science class. I took all the hard classes in high school, and they were college level, so that when I got to college, I was exempt from math and science requirements on any major I took. And I had a 3.66 GPA average in high school. I took physics and trig and chemistry and all this stuff.
I love that stuff. Okay, anyway, okay, now, so that's a problem. That's a huge, huge, huge problem.
Here's another problem. About 530 million years ago, there's what's called the Cambrian explosion. And what that means is the different rock levels. And there's a Cambrian level. And the previous level and that level, the previous level has just not that many fossils of any complicated creatures like horses or birds or things like that or whatever.
They don't have those. But all of a sudden, in the fossil record, 40 new body types, called the phyla, 40 new body types suddenly appear. And I mean suddenly. Not over millions and millions and millions of years, you see the evolutionary thing of all the transitions. Nope, it's not like that. It's boom, there they are, fully developed.
Now, how's that happen? Because the Cambrian explosion is minimum five years old to maximum something like 25 years old. Most I've ever read is 35 million years old.
That's the most. And that's nowhere near the time needed for evolutionary processes to work. And that's just not me saying it. There's articles like the mathematical challenges of the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution. And it's worth reading. And it shows that there's some serious, serious mathematical problems to evolutionary theory.
We've given some of the time for things. But at any rate, the whole thing is this, that the Cambrian explosion is another humongous problem in evolutionary theory. How many of you have ever heard of the Cambrian explosion? Raise your hands. How many have heard of the carbon-14 half-life problem that's found with coal? Coal and diamonds. Raise your hands. Nobody's raised their hands out there. How about this?
How about this? There are ways that the geologists have of dating rocks by the rock layers they're in. So for example, the Pleistocene rock layer. It's how many millions of years old, right? Rock layer positioning says 1.6 million years old. But rubidium strontium, it's an element decay procedure for being able to find the age of things that is older than the carbon-14 issue. Anyway, rock layer, 1.6 million years old. But rubidium strontium says 773 million years old. Or potassium argon gives the upper myosin to 5 to 9 million years old.
Rubidium strontium to almost 40 million years old. Well, we've got a break coming up, but the point I'm trying to make is simple. These are all over the place. They're not even in the same areas.
How can we trust that they're that accurate if they give wildly different ages? Well, that's a problem. Hey, we'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-007-2276. So in the chat during a break, someone said that I remind them of R.C.
Sproul. And I said, oh, was he really good looking too? So he was having fun.
Because people still have a face for radio. And so anyway, we're just having a lot of fun in there. And then I asked him, how old do I look? And I'm 68 today. And so I want to see how people look. I don't look it. I'm looking at a picture of myself.
I'm live here on the camera. And man, I don't look it. That's good.
Now, I don't act my age, that's for sure. But yeah. OK, let's get back on with this evolution stuff. I'm going to read some stuff to you that you won't hear about.
Get this. This is really a serious issue. Some years ago, it was discovered that human DNA has a high mutation rate and is deteriorating at an alarming rate. Humans have high mutation rates, but why worry?
Scientific American. So this is back in 1999, they discovered this. And then quantifying the genomic decay paradox due to Mueller's ratchet in human mitochondrial DNA, Genetics Research Cambridge, this is in 2006, says this, that calculations based on the accumulation of detrimental mutations in just a mitochondrial DNA genome alone suggest that the evolutionary ancestral line leading to humans would have become extinct after about 20 million years. But the accumulation of problems in the human genome is such that it would have been extinct after 20 million years.
Well, then, wait a minute, how can we be here? This is genetic entropy and the mystery of the genome in 2008. Cornell University genetics researcher Dr. John Stafford points out that when the whole genome is considered assuming the currently observed mutation accumulations rates, now this is important, okay, I'm going to interject here, assuming the current rates, now this is the problem with making statements like this, that it doesn't prove that the rates have been the same in the past. Now, that's an important thing because this is what science does. It says that the current rate, blah, blah, blah, and that's what they say, was it the same rate 10,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago? 50,000 years ago, whatever, that's the question, and how do you prove that? And this is how science works, and science is great for discovering things like this, but nevertheless, if we assume the current observed mutation rates, human DNA accumulates a huge 90,000 errors in just 6,000 years.
That's about 0.003% of our DNA becomes inoperative in less than 10,000 years by 6 million years, 3% of our DNA, or one in every 33 pieces of code, would be damaged, and it's inconceivable that a genetic code would still function. That's interesting, right? So, I already went through some radiometric dating things. Let's see what else might be good.
Let's see, how about something like this? Oh yeah, I don't know if you guys know about this. Scientists have discovered soft, fresh-looking tissue in dinosaur remains reportedly 80 million years old, soft tissue inside of dinosaur bones. These are protein-based tissues, and they're not expected to survive more than 10,000 years or so, or a few 10,000, like 20, 30, and yet 80 million years old? How can that be? How can that be? And there was a woman who first discovered this, a woman archaeologist, a zoanthropologist, anyway, and they didn't believe her. They said, no, no, no, you're just wrong. This can't happen.
And she was right. And it's another issue, but you don't hear about it. How come? Could it possibly be that even scientists and the status quo, they will sweep facts under the rug that don't suit them?
Is it possible? Is it possible that maybe if you want to keep your job teaching, you have to tote the scientific line and consensus? Did you guys know? Get this, this is how fair our colleges are. There's lots and lots of accounts of creationists, intelligent design specialists going in to give a lecture at a college and the students and some of the staff will say, no, we don't want them here.
Why? And they will get them canceled. Sometimes they pull up fire alarms during lectures and things like this. What's wrong with looking at both sides of something? What's wrong with looking at facts? This is the cult mind. It's the cult mind idea is you can't, you are not allowed to have a difference of opinion because you know the facts. You know the facts, your opinion over there. Sorry, you're wrong because I know what the truth is. That's a cult mind thing. And then they don't want counter evidence and counter facts to be examined. That's a problem.
Hey, check this out. There was some, this is from radio isotopes and the age of the earth. Isochron discordances and the role of inheritance and mixing of radio isotopes in the mantle and crust. All right. Potassium argon dates of some rocks in Australia that he looked at up to 152 million years old.
Robidium strontium method up to 393 million years old led a dating method, the led led led dating method, 1.4 million years old. Yeah. See, there's problems. In fact, if you guys haven't read any books on, like one of the books I think is good is the icons of evolution. Ooh, man, it's got some good science in there.
It's good stuff. That that's a problem. And so then how about this? I'm just going to ramble here because I like doing this kind of stuff called rambling, ramblation. Here we go about galaxies. Now, why is this important?
Because you need millions and millions and millions and billions of years in order for life to form by chance and then evolve into all these super complex structures. Okay. So but there's problems with that. I'll just read my underlined stuff. The supercluster complex is directly contradict the homogeneity assumed by the Big Bang Theory. So the Big Bang Theory is the universe exploded and it's expanding. And it's also, I just read, found out something else.
Well, this is a trivia. This really got me. Was I reading this?
I read so much. Anyway, they can only see like 90 billion years out into the universe and it's expanding and it's accelerating. And I read recently that there are some galaxies out there, some galaxies, clusters or galaxies that are all heading towards the same direction away from us. They're actually getting a little bit closer to each other because they're moving towards a common point outside the visible barrier. Something big out there is drawing in towards it.
Ooh, I wonder what that is. That to me is cool. Anyway, back to the Big Bang stuff. It turns out that galaxies almost never move much faster than a few thousand kilometers per second, about one three hundredth the speed of light. Thus, at the 20 billion years, at most 20 billion years since the Big Bang, a galaxy or the matter that would make up a galaxy could have moved only 65 million light years. For these objects to form, matter must have moved at least 270 million light years. This would have taken around 80 billion years at 1000 kilometers per second, four times longer than time allowed by the Big Bang theorists.
In other words, the Big Bang, the galaxies are moving at a certain rate. Well, just the age of the universe, at the rate, they shouldn't be where they are. They can't be that far out.
It doesn't allow that. Why are they so far out there? It's just a problem. In fact, the James Webb telescope, there's new theories coming up. Now, I'm just saying these are what they are. I'm not saying they don't know what they're doing and scientists are dumb. I'm not saying that, but this is how science works. You see something and you go, hey, wait a minute, we had this figured out and now we thought the evidence that we had was correct, but, hey, there's something else going on. And that's okay.
That's all right, okay? So the scientists are always adjusting with new information, which means science is provisional, which means does it provide absolute truth or does it provide truth that is based upon the current information that can then change? So there are some issues here because the universe is accelerating in every direction outward.
That's a problem. But there's another theory that deals with the issue of maybe it's not, and this isn't well accepted yet, but the idea that the entire universe came into existence exactly where it is, all the parts. This is one of the new theories that's being promoted because of some evidence from James Webb. And we'll see which one gets into the octagon and survives, which theory survives.
So there's that. And so the reason this is important about the galaxies is because they're in a place in galaxy clusters called superclusters, and all their math that they know right now can't explain it. They need a lot more time, and yet these things are already in place. So they're having to redo things like is matter stretching, is time changing?
That's important because, oh, man, is this all interconnected? Because if time is changing, as we inside of time, it's the same for us. But it looks like time is related to the speed of light, 186,300 miles per second. Now, here's the thing, if that's the case, one of the theories that's being postulated is that light is slowing down. And there is some suggestive evidence for that. If that's the case, I'm not saying it is, but if it's the case that light is slowing down, that's even worse for the supercluster problems, even worse.
And it would also mean that evolution is just gut punched. And just a, what do they call it? I don't watch wrestling, but they, you know, head slam or something like that. I don't know. Anyway, so I just don't know this stuff. So it's really a problem and all this stuff's interrelated and the scientists are trying to adjust and, you know, great, they do. They need to adjust. And that's what science does. That's good. That's not to be denied, not to be knocked. That's good stuff.
But the new information is really causing problems. What do you trust in? I trust in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He rose from the dead in front of the eyewitnesses. And after three days of being dead, and he ascended into heaven, he claimed to be God in flesh.
He walked on water. He raised him from the dead. I'm going to trust in what he says more than the scientists. I'm going to trust in Jesus. I hope you do too. Hey, look, there's the end of the show. The music is going to start any second. May the Lord bless you and by his grace, look back on the air tomorrow. And I hope that you have a great evening and I hope that we get to hear, talk to you tomorrow. So have a good one, everybody. God bless.
