Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live.

Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick live. And if you want to give me a call on this wonderful day of 11-13, November 13th, 2024, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. And if you're a newbie listening and you're not sure what the show's about, Slick is my real name, believe it or not, I was born with that name. We're going to run as a kid.

So Matt Slick, Matt Slick live works great. And what we do here is answer questions on the Bible, theology, philosophy, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Unity, Baha'i, Islam, UFOs, the occult, logic, a little bit on maths and politics, and other stuff. You have Bible questions, issues, whys, what fors, what is this, why that. Hey, well, call us up or call me if I should say. And let's see if I can answer your questions.

Sometimes I can't. You know, I go, well, you know what, I don't know, I'll have to research it. And figure it out. So if that sounds doable and you want to join in, you have a comment or a question, you can do that, 877-207-2276.

Also, it's easy, you can email me at info at karm.org, info at karm.org. And we get to a lot of the radio questions. We have a lot of them, how many do we have in here? I don't know, 20? And so what I do is I go through them when we get slow on the radio sometime.

And we do get slow when it comes down to the holidays, usually November, December, things slow down in the summer, it's really busy. And that's it, all right? So if you want to call me, 877-207-2276 and or email me info at karm.org, info at karm, c-a-r-m dot o-r-g, and put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question, one of those, and we can get to it. All right, all right, we've got nobody waiting, usually we have somebody right away.

So let's see, one of the radio questions. If God knew that mankind would sin and go to hell, why did he create mankind? Well, he created mankind for his glory, Isaiah 43, verse 7. Even those who go to hell do so for the glory of God because those who reject Christ of their own free will get the judgment of God upon them because they are rejecting the only way for them to forgive them of their sins. Since their sin is against the infinitely holy God, then they will reap the consequences of who it is that they have offended. The infinitely holy one is also infinitely righteous and he will judge them for their rebellion against him, their sin, and their refusal to receive Christ. Those who do receive Christ and trust in him will be justified by faith alone in Christ alone, not by faith in sacraments, not by faith in baptism, not by faith in works, as the false religions teach, but by faith alone in Christ alone. And those who trust in him will then spend eternity with him in heaven. The question goes on, did he create mankind to come down to earth for dying?

That's one of the theories. It's the greatest act of love. It's to lay your life down for your friend, said Jesus in John 15, 13. So, since God is love, 1 John 4, 8, then one of the theories is that to exemplify the greatest act of love, he sacrificed himself. And that's why men were created, people were created, and in that sin came into the world and Jesus was able to die. And see, and he goes on, and in such a massive creation, how can God come, become man when they're a tiny part of his creation? Whether it's massive or not has no bearing on whether or not God can or cannot become a human.

So, we know that he did according to the scriptures, John 1, 1 and verse 14, Colossians 2, 9, talks about Jesus being God in flesh, and that's who he is. All right, here's another question. Why do you believe in the true replacement for the apostles of Judas after he betrayed our Lord, after he betrayed our Lord, Jesus, and subsequently committed suicide?

What? Was it Matthias or was it Paul? That's a question that some have asked. Was it Matthias or Paul? Because they chose Matthias by lots, and Paul was appointed by Christ. So, there's a debate if I did it right, but I can't answer that one.

Is this plausible? Matthias replaced the apostle of Judas because he met all the requirements and was chosen. Yes. Paul released the apostle of Jesus as his chosen instrument. Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That's true.

While Paul was sent to the Gentiles. I don't get too much in there. I can't figure it out. All right, let's get to Adam from North Carolina. Adam, welcome. You are on the air.

What do you got? Hey, Matt, thanks for taking my call. Sure. I was just curious. If angels are created beings and Satan was an angel and was in the garden and got Adam and Eve to sin, I was just wondering, on the timetable of creation, where do angels fall and where could that be found in the Bible if it is in the Bible?

Do you have any words of wisdom for me? No, it doesn't say. So, hold on one sec.

Sorry about that. I'm going to cough. So, you know, it says that God created the heavens and the earth. So the heavens, those are the three heavens. That's the dwelling place of God is eternal.

But the other heavens are the stars, the planets, et cetera, and then our heaven, which is where the sky is, the air, the clouds and things like that. So the question is, where do the angels reside? Do they reside in heaven with God? It would seem that might be the case and they were cast out of heaven. A third of them were. So were they there with him? Well, then the implication is they were created before the universe was created. That's the implication, but we can't say it for sure because it could be that God created the universe and that had the heavenly realm there some way, dimensionally speaking, that angels could then indwell. So I can't tell you what the answer is.

The Bible just doesn't reveal it to us. All right. Well, that was a help.

Thank you very much, Matt. Okay. All right. Well, good for you. And sorry about that. I wish I could give you a better answer, but that's all I got. All right. Okay. Hey, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call and all right about the sound. Well, I heard that, saw that, read that, not sure what's going on. But anyway, I hope people can hear me there in a rumble. Just give me an answer if you can or not. All right.

Here, Matt, here's a radio question. Does God complete the good even if the Christian doesn't attend church services or Bible studies frequently? Does God complete the good? I don't know what that means to complete the good. It goes on, will God accomplish his good work in them and what exactly is the good work that God will accomplish in them? God, you know, Philippians 1.6 says, I'm confident of this very thing that he who began a good work and you will perfect it till Christ Jesus our Lord.

So it's kind of hard to say. The issue here is what does it mean by the good work? And God's always working. And even if you don't go to church, he can do stuff, but he can do more with you it seems to be. Not that he's restricted by your faithfulness or not.

He can do what he wants, but he does allow us a great deal of latitude to be able to seek him and develop our relationship with him on our own. So that's it. I don't know. Okay, we've got a little bit of an issue here with the phones. I'm getting a little distracted by it, but that's okay. Oh, okay.

Can't call in. Oh, I get that. Okay, I see. So well, if you have a question, let's type it out distinctly on clubhouse. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call folks, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276.

You can also email me info at karm.org info at karmcarm.org and in the subject line just put in radio comment for your question. So let's get to, let's get to, let's see, get another question here. Hey, look at that. An atheist told me today that the trees are talking in judges, are they? Let me get to it. Judges 9-7. Okay, judges 9-7. Yeah, let's see.

Top of the leader lifted his voice and called out. Once the trees went forth to anointed king over him, they said the olive tree reign over us. Yeah, you know, the Bible has all kinds of writing styles in it, has metaphor, has fiction, has poetry. So all it is there is like, you know, poetic metaphor kind of thing. That's all that's going on. You know, the trees went forth to anointed king over them and they said to the olive tree reign over us, but the olive tree said to them, shall I leave my fatness with?

It's just what the trees represent. That's all that's going on. So when an atheist would say something like that, yeah, it's just, it's just not a big deal, you know, not a big deal. Okay. All right. Yeah, questions about provisionism. Okay.

In regards to an argument against Calvinism. Okay, what is the question about provisionism? What is it?

What is the question? So there you go, okay. All right.

Well, let's see. Oh, we got a caller coming in. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 8772072276. Let's get to Sarah from North Carolina.

Sarah, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, how you doing tonight? I'm doing all right, hanging in there.

What do you got? I have a question. I'm trying to wrap my mind around the giants and where they came from.

If I'm thinking correctly, there are fallen angels that had relations with the humans and then they had children and that's where the giants came from. Is that correct? That's the theory I hold to. Yep, that's what I hold to.

So I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's what I hold to. But the fallen angels had relations with women and produced offspring, the Nephilim, and they were huge. And it was a breeding program designed by the evil one to destroy the messianic line because there had been a promise from God that the Messiah would come and start in Genesis chapter 3. And then in... Hold on one sec.

Sorry about that. In Genesis 6-9, and I'll show you something that's interesting. It says these are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generations, in his times, in his descendancy.

He was pure. So it's a hint there. And so then the flood came and destroyed all of these half-breeds. And so some think the half-breeds are the demons because they want to inhabit human bodies. It's just a theory.

We don't know. But what's really interesting is that Jesus says, Matthew 24, 37, and Luke 17, 26, starting in those verses, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be again in the days of the coming of the Son of Man. So it looks like this is going to be happening again. And to really make things interesting, when you go to Daniel chapter 2, and it talks about Nebuchadnezzar's dream, his vision with a statue, gold, silver, bronze, then iron and clay mixed together. Well, the iron and clay mixed together, they think, is the last kingdom. Now, this is what it says in Daniel 2, 42. As the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. Now, this is the verse.

And in it, you saw the iron mixed with common clay. They will combine with one another in the seat of men, but they will not adhere to one another. Who's the they that's going to be combining in the seat of men? If you hold on, we'll talk about it right after the break. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to call me, the number, easy, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. And okay, well, I tell you what, the flowers thing provide the URL and maybe if I could have a transcript, that would be useful.

Let's get back to Sarah from North Carolina. Okay, sorry. Okay, so I threw something out there right before the break. Sounds like you're multi-tasking. Well, I'm multi-task all the time.

While I'm talking, sometimes I'm researching and during the breaks, I work on articles as I'm fixing stuff on the site and then I'm texting with people. Yeah. Okay. So you said that during the, that this may happen again, and can you review that again for me?

Sure. You know, Jesus says it was the days of Noah, so shall it be the days of the coming of the Son of Man, for they were eating, they were drinking, they were giving in marriage till the flood came in, destroyed them all. That's Luke 17. And Matthew 24 says the flood came and took them all away. Two men will be taken, one is left. People mistakenly all over the place think those are rapture verses.

They are not. The rapture is out of 1 Thessalonians 4, 16, chapter 5, verse 2. So that is, Matthew 24, Luke 17, as it was in the days of Noah, two men taken, one is left.

That's about the wicked being taken, and they're taken to a place of judgment. Okay. So here's the thing.

Jesus says, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be again the days of the coming of the Son of Man. So there's some interesting theories about this. And I'm going to give you one that I think is the most interesting, this most flat out interesting theory. Has to do with UFOs. So UFOs, they're real, but what are they?

That's the question. There have been accounts through centuries, many centuries, of lights in the sky moving in formation during the daylight, moving quickly. Alexander the Great even saw fiery shields flying across the sky.

And, well, what are these things? Well, if you've studied anything, particularly the UFO incident in England, the American base that was in England in the 1980s, it's an incredible account. And officers and enlisted men, radar equipment, I mean, visuals, I mean, right there people saw this thing. And has a physical appearance and physically affects radar.

It can be detected. And this is the only place this has happened. It's happened all over the world. And every country, most every country, has their own significant UFO events. You know, we've got the one in New Mexico, Roswell, you know, which, I don't know what it really was, but, you know, it leans towards something flat out of the sky. And it was probably a UFO kind of a thing. There's, like I said, there's been all kind of stuff.

So what are these things? Well, what people don't know about is that apparently the UFOs teach theology. The aliens teach theology. And the theology is Jesus is not God.

Angel, I mean, we're all divine and reincarnation is true. And Christians don't get abducted. So something's going on at a spiritual level. So one of the theories is that the aliens are actually... So you're saying that they know that we're Christians and that we're not being abducted because we're Christians? Okay. Yeah, you can go to khouse.org.

K, letter K, house, Quinnania House, but it's K, just khouse.org. And you can look up Chuck Missler's work on UFO research, alien abduction research. There's in books and it's documented. In fact, the first time I ever heard of this was from a secular source when a psychologist was doing research on stuff. And I remember where I was, but I don't know where it was. I remember I was in a dark room reading a magazine, you know.

I don't even know what magazine. And I don't even know where I was, what city. It's just one of those memories, you know, when I was quite younger. And the psychologist was talking about how he had done research with abductees and wanted to find commonalities. And he did, he found lots of commonalities. And then he was shocked to find that they were teaching theology. And so he was a psychologist and some of the abductees said that they were taught about Jesus. And which puzzled him. And he wrote in this article, and it just stunned me.

That's why I remember, you know, the setting. It was like, what? He said that he doesn't believe in Christianity. He doesn't believe in all that stuff. But he went to the Bible and researched out a Bible.

That's where Jesus is, right? Well, that's his research. And then he re-hypnotized some of the people to get them to, you know, recite more information and stuff. And when he would read parts of the scriptures to them, just what Jesus says.

It wasn't like he's witnessing. He just, well, it says Jesus says this. He said, I don't understand, but they, some of the abductees started behaving like demoniacs in the Bible, started yelling and screaming.

And he says, I gotta do more research. And it blew my mind. That's what started me studying UFOs. And I've been studying them off and off for about 40 years or so.

So, I've talked to people. Could these just be humans that are demon-filled and that we know that the enemy is one to cause confusion? So... Could be, but what if, what if, now this is just fun time. This is throwing this up for fun. What if the Nephilim...

I hope that's what we're, we're adults here. Yeah. Well, the Nephilim were still around after the flood. You can read about that.

So, the breeding program continued after the flood. Could it be? Maybe. Okay, wait, hold on. Wait, back up, back up a little bit. You said, who was left after the flood? There were more Nephilim after the flood. Oh, more, okay. Yeah, because there was only eight that survived the flood.

Okay. Right, and then afterwards, you know, so in number 13, then you saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, A-N-A-K, are part of the Nephilim. And we became like grasshoppers on our own site. So, okay, they're there, so what are they? Well, and then we go to the... I like talking about this because I love conspiracy theories. Now, I'm going to take a sidestep and tell you my favorite conspiracy theory in all the world, which is just awesome. And it's that reptilian aliens are interbreeding with Nazis in underground bases in the Antarctic.

When they get enough creatures, they're going to come to the surface and take over the planet. See, now that's a good one. I like that one. That's enticing. That's like, whoa, I got to believe that one.

So, anyway, I love conspiracy theories and stuff like that. So, one of the things that people have talked about, they're trying to be serious about it, saying, okay, here's the biblical information. Looks like they will mingle with the seed of man, but not be them. You know, Daniel 2.43. And as it was the days of Noah, so shall it be the days of the coming of a man. So, it looks like the Nephilim are still going to be around.

Could it be that they had a breeding program for 2,000 years, 3,000, 4,000 years, and they bred them into a smaller form for little alien creatures, you know, for deception? Who knows? But these are some of the theories, okay, which are fun.

All right? I just find it odd that God would allow our enemy, but it is by choice. We do have free will, to be able to reproduce. He allows a lot of stuff.

He allows Democrats to reproduce. So, yeah. Okay. We have to come to them. All right, have a good one.

You too, God bless. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276.

Let's get to Rusty from South Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, hey, Matt. Okay, so how true do you think it is that we have out-of-body experience of us looking over ourselves? I know they talk about when Paul was brought up to the third heaven and everything, but is that saying that his soul was taken out and he went up there?

It probably was Paul. That's 2 Corinthians 12, 2 through 4. And some think that when he was stoned and left outside the city that that's what happened so that he was, whether in the body or out of the body, he doesn't know he went to the third heaven and that's the presence of God. So right there what we call is an NDE, near-death experience. And now back in the day before I was a Christian, I used to practice the occult and one of the things I'd try and do was astral projection, trying to leave my body and I could never quite do it. I had a friend who said he could and that's an interesting story, I'll tell you. It really is, but that's another story.

And so though I was able to almost do it and I can't explain how I knew, but it was close. Those are occult things that should be avoided. Christians should not seek this. We've got to be careful. So they only really kind of happen if and when trauma, accident, near-death, thing like that.

Now I'm going to throw something else in there. There are phenomena that occur with people and are reported in different contexts. Will there be in their bed, it's going to sleep and have incredible weird sensations. Disassociation is one of them. They feel disconnected. Sometimes people have said they can see themselves. Now what we have to do with each case is analyze them and see what's going on.

And are they involved in the occult or is there a medical condition or something going on or imagination going? So it's hard to say, but it did occur in 2 Corinthians 12, 2 through 4. And so we can, you know, say yes and no to a lot of stuff. Okay.

Yes. So I had an experience one time I wasn't living right and I was sleeping and I couldn't open my eyes. I was just screaming for help. And I know, I feel, I don't remember going to sleep or nothing. Someone said that it meant a witch was rotting me or something. That's a common occurrence that a paralysis occurs right about that time when you're going to sleep. Now there's theories about it because if you think about it, in your sleep you could be having a dream where you're running. Well, I think it's called a reticular activating system. I think that's what it is. It disconnects, in your brain it disconnects to your body so that even though the breathing heartbeat still works, the running of jumping doesn't, except for those people who have, you know, sleepwalking and things like that.

Oh wow. So there's a phenomena that when your body switches, your mind or your brain switches from being able to move and everything on your volition to a dream state and you don't. So your brain does this or something that during that transition period, something doesn't click right and people can be on that edge and they can't move because of that. Another possibility is that there's a demonic influence. So, you know, you've just got to look at them, okay? And okay, like they say in the Bible they say the sky is the first heaven and outer space is supposed to be the second heaven. Right.

And the third heaven is God's third place. Right. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I told my kids that I want to make sure I was telling it right and I was going to look it up. What do I say to that in the Bible, may I ask? 2 Corinthians 12, just start reading there, verses 2 through 4. Okay.

2 Corinthians 12. Okay. And that supports what's called substance dualism. It's a whole other issue. It supports substance dualism. That the mind and the soul and the body are separate.

Their substances are different. So it's a good thing. So we have a soul and a spirit, right? Or is that the same thing? Well, it's undecided because the scriptures aren't that clear on it. Some say, the Bible says that the word of God can separate between the soul and the spirit. See, there's two parts. Then there's other places where soul and spirit are used interchangeably. So because of that, you know, it's called trichotomy or dichotomy. Body, soul, spirit, that's trichotomy. Or the soul and spirit are basically the same thing. Like the soul is in spirit form, it's just one and the same thing.

And then the body, so it's di for two, you know, two. So dichotomy and trichotomy are the views and both are within orthodoxy. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you, Matt.

You're welcome. All right. Well, God bless. All right. Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right.

Okay. Hey, let's get to Ann from Virginia. Ann, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, Matt. Thanks for taking my call. On last week's broadcast, you were talking to a caller, and I can't remember the topic you were talking about with that caller, but you mentioned Douglas Wilson, and you had some problems with him or had some issues with him.

And I just wanted to understand what those are. I was thinking about studying him and learning. So I just wanted to know, understand what your issues were. Okay.

Yeah. Now, he's about four hours north of me, and I wouldn't mind sitting down with him if it was possible, and I could ask him questions and do an interview with him, but it probably wouldn't ever happen. So, back, I don't know, 25 years ago, when I was in Southern California, I used to fly up to Central California and go to a church off the coast there and preach. They'd have me in about once every two or three months.

They'd fly me up and do that. It was nice. And in one of the Bible studies that we attended, Doug Wilson's son was there, and he and I had a discussion. And all I can tell you is that the discussion that he and I had, to the best of my recollection, hopefully I'm not remembering it wrong, I'm not trying to disparage anybody, but I said, is this what your dad believes?

And he says yes. And I said, well, that's false doctrine. And what it was, was what he told me, hopefully I'm representing it accurately, so take it with a grain of salt, was that Wilson's teaching was called a kind of a covenant keeping necessity in order to remain in Christ. Now, I remember, I said, wait a minute, are you saying then, I asked him, that you have to keep the covenant requirements in order to stay in Christ? And he goes, yeah. I said, but that's false. That means it's salvation by works.

And then we had to break because the study was starting and everybody had to sit down. So that was a conversation I had with his son. And over the years, I've heard various things that confirm this kind of a thing.

Now, I'm being careful, because I'm public here saying this, since I had an eyewitness account that I talked to his son about it, well, that's why I'm talking about it. But what I really need to do is just have a conversation with Doug Wilson himself to really get down to the bottom of it and see, okay? Okay, what do you mean by covenant keeping requirements? Okay, a covenant is a pact or an agreement between two or more parties. So God works covenantally. And covenant is based on God's word. The Latin for covenant is testamentum, Old Testament, New Testament. So my wife and I made a covenant, our marriage covenant. We have a covenant sign, each of us.

We have a ring, wedding ring. Now, in the covenant of marriage, there are stipulations. There are restrictions. And one of the restrictions is that I will not have relations with any other person except my wife. I'm restricting my sexual relations to her only and protect her and provide for her. And that we're, you know, till death do us part so that the marriage ends when one of us dies. All right, so different covenants have different kinds of borders.

Call them borders of offense. You can do this. You can go so far, but you can't go any further. You can't do that. Now, the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 is a covenant document.

So the two tablets are 10 and 10. And I can get into why that is that way. Because in the covenant of Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments, it talks about who God is and the requirements that we're obligated to fulfill and rewards and punishments in those. If you read the Ten Commandments, you'll see it. So with that background, if someone says that to be in Christ, now in Christ is a biblical phrase and it's found in Romans 6, for example, in 1 Corinthians 15, 22. And it means that we are His.

If someone says you have to keep covenant boundaries and requirements to be in Him, then that means you're doing things to stay in Christ and that's works of righteousness and that's false teaching. Hold on, we've got to break, okay? Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show.

Last segment of the hour, soon as they activate and they're just dead. Here we go again. All right, Ann, you're back on.

Okay, I won't keep it much longer, I just wanted to clarify. It sounds like you just wanted to confirm if Doug Wilson, people following Doug Wilson were requiring a seat. Yeah, I actually have a friend who's there.

I have a friend who's literally next door. I should contact him and see what they say, get some literature and stuff, but I'm so busy right now. Man, I'm busy. I understand. Okay, so what do you think specifically, something you need to clarify? Yeah, I would like to clarify stuff. Yes, and the best way to do it is just to ask him specifically.

If you'd give me 15 minutes, you know, okay, I hear my questions. Do you believe you have to keep covenant requirements in order to remain saved? That's what it comes down to. If he says, of course not, I go, thank you very much, I really appreciate that. What's necessary for salvation, you know, and just get to it.

And if he says any faith alone, you know, okay, great, you know, praise God, done, next. Well, good, I hope you get to do that one day. I'm sorry? I appreciate your time. I said I hope you get to do that one day. I appreciate your time. Okay, well, good. All right.

Well, God bless. Thank you, Matt. Thanks, Ann. You too. All right. Now, let's get to Alberto. Hey, Alberto.

Welcome, buddy. You're on the air. Yes. Yes, good evening, Master. I have a question.

What do you think these pastors tell us they lie to sinners that Jesus Christ loves you the way you are? Well, here's the question. Does he? No.

Does he? Because if I was to repent. Yeah, but. Repent.

If he loves you the way you are, apparently he's not happy the way you are because you're a sinner. You're an enemy of God. You're a child of the devil. Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Have you got any children? No. I don't have kids. No wife. No girlfriend.

No body. Okay. Okay. Well, I have children, and I want my children to change. I love them as they are. But I want them to change.

I want them to be better. Is it possible that Jesus could love everybody but yet wants them to become Christians? Now, I say this slowly because in Psalm 5-5, in Psalm 11-5, it talks about God hating those who do iniquity. But on the other hand, in Matthew 5, 43-48, Jesus says we're to love God or we're to be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect, and the context is loving everybody equally. So, we can make the case that Jesus loves everybody in one sense and not in another.

So, we've got to be careful when we just say love. Okay. I don't remember the whole point, but the example you gave me, say, yes, if I got kids. See, that's different. You have children, but in the sinner, it's not a child of God until he repents.

Yes, I understand. But can God love someone? Can God love someone who's not saved? Can God love someone who's not saved?

Yes, I know. The Bible says, I know that. The Bible says, who loved the world, so he gave his only begotten Son. God loved the whole world. I understand that. But, but, but, but Christ said, Christ died while we were still sinners, but when he started preaching on the earth were the first things Jesus said out of his mouth, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

Right? He didn't love them under sin when they said to God, repent. Yes, yes, but that's not the question. The question is, does he love you the way you are? Yes, he can love you the way you are. It doesn't mean he wants you to stay that way. That's what I tell people when they come to Christ that says, he'll love you just as you are. He'll accept you just as you are, but he won't leave you as you are.

He'll change you. Yes. Okay. Right. Yes, I understand what you're saying, but that's my point though. Some people say, well, Jesus Christ loves me and who I am, and the mindset of a sinner, okay, I just keep doing my own thing.

He loves me the way I am. Well, that's different. That's different. That's different. Is he loving the person who's a murderer and an extortionist or a mob hit man? No. See, there's different kinds of love that are spoken about in different contexts in the Bible. That's why I say to people, be careful just having one word represent everything. It's just not wise to do that.

You can ask the question in fragments. Does God love everybody equally? Okay. Does Jesus love even those who hate him? Does God love those who seek evil and wicked and wickedness?

Well, you could say yes and no to both. In what senses? Because God loves in the sense that he provides for everybody. That's a loving thing.

But does he love them salvifically? Now, that's a different question. So I'm just saying it's not that easy to answer one generic thing for all cases. Okay?

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's like they say, God gives grace to everybody, even upon the wicked and his children.

Like, the grain falls upon the wicked and it falls upon his children. Right? Right.

Correct. In fact, Mr. Kipp made a good point. If he didn't love us while we were sinners, then he wouldn't be willing to die for us.

So then you could say, well, from that you could jump off the side into the deep end of the pool and say, well, wait a minute. He's loving the elect whom he chose beforehand to give to the son. And that's who he specifically is loving salvifically. You could say that. So this is not just a simple answer because the question is so broad. Okay? Mm-hmm.

All right. And now I've got another question. You know, people say, well, they have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's a personal relationship with you, Christ. But a lot of people want to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ based on their standards, not based on the scripture standards.

That's true. You know what? They want to control Jesus the way they want to worship him. So that's worship the way Jesus Christ demands to be worshiped. So basically, they want to have a personal relationship. They say they have a personal relationship, really, they say.

But how do we know really they do have a personal relationship not based on scripture? You know what I'm saying? Yes.

They want to manipulate Jesus the way they want to. Yes. Yes. I think what you need to do, because you call frequently so I know who you are and stuff. I think what you need to do is become more specific in your questions, more specific. Get it down to a specific issue and then narrow that down and then work with that.

That's what I do. So when I write, I teach, I break things down. In fact, two or three nights ago, I was talking online and this guy asked me this question and I said, okay, I can answer your question.

It's a very good question. But in order to do it, I need to teach about three or four different theological concepts. And I said, if you're willing to let me do that for about five to ten minutes, then I can get to the question. And he said, sure, go ahead. And so I had to lay this out, that out, that and then that. And then I was able to put it all together and the guy's like, oh, now I see why that makes sense now. And sometimes that's what's necessary, but other times it's not.

Sometimes you don't have to go very deep, but sometimes you do. That's all. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. God bless.

Okay. So here's a question. Does God still test people like he did Job? Like he did Job? You mean let Satan have them and persecute them?

Maybe. See, the only reason we know that's what happened to Job is because we're told that's what happened to Job. Did Job know that demonic forces were after him? Did he know about a conversation that God and the devil had? Was that his privileged information? It doesn't appear to be the case.

He talked to God and God talked to him and said, don't complain, you know, and stuff like that. So is it possible that God allows the devil to do certain things to believers, to test them, to purify them, to strengthen them? It's certainly possible. So, does he? I could say it's possible, but we say like he did Job, to what level do you mean like he did Job? Boils and killing the family and all of this stuff?

That's pretty severe. Could it happen? I don't see why God couldn't allow it again. Does he? I'm not saying he does. I'm not saying he doesn't. The Bible just doesn't tell us, so we can't say for sure. But if God does it, there's a reason and we have to trust him.

And if he doesn't allow it, then there's a reason and we trust him for that as well. All right, now let's get to Rebecca. Rebecca from Salt Lake City.

Rebecca, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah. Hello, Matt. How are you? Oh, I'm fine. Hanging in there. Yeah, hanging in there.

That's right. Yeah, I just wanted to, since you were talking about those two subjects today about OBEs and Canadians. Okay. N-D. What's an OBE?

Yeah, Autobiotic Experience. Oh, okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh-huh.

That's all right. When I was a little girl, my mom, I was about maybe perhaps 10. I don't know. I can't remember. But she used to tell us, you know, I have six siblings. But anyway, she used to tell us that she would be laying down. And she said that she could feel her spirit or something raise up.

And she says, I used to look at myself on the bed, you know. So we didn't know what it was, of course. That was like in the 50s. But yeah, she used to have them. Well, people have said these things, and I can't verify them. But people have said it all over for many, many, many years. Different people have said things like that. So something's going on.

Something's going on. And I'd like to sit down and interview them and compare notes and say, well, let's see. Because me, I believe that's possible.

I also believe they could be deceived. I don't know which one it is. I'm just open. Let's talk.

Let's just find out. It is possible. Yeah, my mother wouldn't, she didn't know anything about it. But she wouldn't lie about it, so. But anyway, again, I wanted to talk about aliens. And my husband, he believes that he was abducted because he was in his trailer with our dog snapper. And he said he was like gone for about an hour or so.

Okay. And he just was, just didn't know where he was. And then he came to and there was like slime, like pink slime on his body and on his bed, on the floor. And he said it was like the dog food.

He had to change the dog food to get little pink crystals in it, you know. So he thinks he was abducted. He has quite a story. Well, you know, people all over the world have got stories of being abducted. And there's enough of them to have occurred that we can't just dismiss them outright. We have to look at each individual case. There are people who've done hundreds of interviews with abductees.

And those are the people I would turn to and look at their books and see what they say and the correlation of data and things like that. So if he says it, you know, it's worth looking into and see what he says. Yeah. Yeah, I would love that, yeah.

And I'd like to have him hypnotized as well, see what happened to him in that time. So it's pretty interesting. My husband wouldn't lie, you know. Yeah, of course.

I've been with him for 35 years, so. Wow. Anyway, Matt, I enjoyed talking to you.

There's the music. Okay, honey. Have a good day. You too. God bless, Rebecca. Thanks.

Well, that was, you know, we had to cut it off a little bit there because the music's going, the end of the show. May the Lord bless you. And Kip, call back tomorrow and provide a documentation for proof of what your assertion is. Hey, folks, talk to you tomorrow. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.