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Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. Hope you all had a good weekend. I had a busy, busy weekend. I always do, except for Sunday.

I think Sunday's off. And I watch a lot of TV and just, and my wife actually, she's really good about it. She just kind of avoids me on Sunday. You know, she just lets me watch TV. I don't watch sports. You know, a lot of guys watch sports.

It just doesn't, doesn't interest me. But I watch stuff on quantum physics. I actually enjoy watching stuff like that and astronomy, the big bang and science. And my wife and I on Saturday mornings, we like to watch, this is going to sound odd, but we'll, we watch car wrecks. We saw some one day, we're like, what the heck?

Look at this. And so it became kind of a tradition for us on Saturdays. We'll watch it for a half hour or something like that. It's a good reminder.

Boy, it's a really good reminder on how to, how to drive better, I'll tell you. So anyway, there's that. And what I'll say here is give me a call if you can.

8772072276. Everything should be working. And all the connections and everything look like they're in the right place. We always have problems, but we'll see. All right.

And wow, that's a good question. Let's get to Jamal from North Carolina. Jamal, welcome. You're on the air. Thanks for taking my call once again.

And I'm glad to see that reaction. I know you like the tough one, so I've got another one for you. No, you gave me a good one. Good, tough one. This is a good, tough one. Okay. Go ahead. Ask it. Yes, sir.

And I'll try to be respectful. So from what I've heard, transgender people go through the transition because they don't feel comfortable in their bodies for whatever reason. Some of them have struggles and I won't get into all of it because I don't know.

I just heard that some of them have struggles and challenges. But that being said, if they are transgender, should they, and they have some struggles, some of them, should they be allowed to have high political office and high business office and to sit on boards and school board and all that other positions? No. And the reason I would say no is because they're going to be prejudiced towards sexual perversions in schools.

They're going to be for all kinds of stuff. If they're going to go that way and they don't even know what they are and they're going to, which I think they've got some serious issues, they need some counseling, and then you put them in positions of power, they're going to be pushing that kind of stuff on everybody else. So absolutely not.

I'd say no way. Okay. And thank you for that and I'm glad to see you standing firm on your values. I actually agree with that and share that response. I was kind of wondering how to frame that, which is another reason why I call. So you really helped me out with that. And I'm pretty sure you know, I think it's our department or secretary of health and education or something like that or the country. He's transgender, Mr. Rachel Levi.

And he has been what you said. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's whack. Go ahead. Sorry. No, it's okay. Sorry. Yeah. It's your show.

Jump in whatever you want. Of course. He's pushed for transgender kids to allow them to go through the transition. And this is a guy working for the federal office. He's transgender and pushing these kind of efforts on kids. So that just confirms your point, Mr. Slick. Yep. The thing about, I've been thinking a lot about this from a spiritual context and it's difficult to put my finger on it.

And so all I can do is kind of think out loud. But there's the issue, there's a spiritual issue because transgenderism is a denial of God's sovereignty and God's declaration of righteousness. And it's also a result of sin. And what I mean in that way is both the effect of sin on people, because people can have all kinds of problems just because of how sin has worked in the world. And also they can be affected by someone else's sin.

It could be a natural effect. And then people can, how do I say this carefully, the affront by people upon people that causes them to have sexual confusion. So put it that way. And then there's just self confusion at the hands of propaganda and confusion that follows.

So there's a lot of things there. And I think some of the people are mentally ill, but I think a lot of them are not. I think they're just deceived and they need counseling.

Yeah, they do. And there's nothing wrong with them going to seek counseling about various issues. I think it's good. So those are some of the things. But one other thing is, how do I say this? Because it's one of those things in the back of my mind that percolates and waiting for it to kind of manifest. But sexuality is the means of redemption. And because it is the means by which Jesus was born. And so sexual stuff like homosexuals, lesbian, trans, they are in the way of that redemptive procedure. Now, of course, Jesus has already been born, so they can't back affect it. But I keep wondering if, I just don't know, I just keep wondering if there's some demonic influence going on upon people. And it's a purposeful affront to the created order of God.

That's what I'm wondering. When we look at the Olympics, and kind of like how people are blowing off Joe Biden's mental decline, oh, nothing to see here. You guys are watching the wrong feed. And then we see it under the bait for everybody to see both left and right. Now it becomes something on the worst stage to where nobody can deny that.

And I tied that to the Olympics. And people might say, oh, you guys are over banking about drag queen stuff and the mockery of Christianity until you see it on the Olympic stage. Now, nobody can deny it now, believers and non-believers. Yes, we are being mocked.

Yes, they are coming after us and nobody else. Nobody's mocking Hare Krishna and Buddha and Confucian and all that. They mocked Christianity. And they did that for the opening ceremony. And from what I heard, because I didn't watch it, I heard they also mocked us in the closing ceremony.

So there's no denying that they're coming after us and mocking us. Well, that's one of the things that's out of Genesis, Sodom and Gomorrah. Because I talked about this there, that the, let's just say the sexually active community, let's just say that, was aggressive and dangerous. They were dangerous.

They wanted to come in and, it might be children listening, so R-A-P-E, they wanted to do that. And so, yeah, so I've written on it and I can't help but think that there's something demonic behind all of it. Because the Bible said we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities of darkness. And Ephesians 6, 12. And so, you know, we're going to be fighting something. Why is this the case? Well, in part, it deals with passions. Human passions are powerful and the devil can use this kind of stuff to take their people's eyes off of him and put it on their genitalia.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'm going to write an article on this as I'm taking notes, okay? Because this is an interesting topic. And also what will probably happen is this will probably get banned or something on YouTube or something.

I was just about to say that. Yeah, I'll probably get banned for what my opinion is. And you know, I don't know if you're aware of this, but in different countries in Europe now, they're starting to arrest people for what they say, their opinions about various things on Facebook and other places for an arrest if you can't say things.

So it's becoming a Marxist, totalitarian, fascist system. And it's going to happen here too. I'm not surprised because when I hear about people being openly arrested for praying out in the open and in France, I'm not surprised. And being Twitter now known as X being banned in Brazil.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. And then we have, I think the guy's name was Nader in Congress saying that prayer does not belong on the Congress floor. Like dude, you know what your constitution that you swore to, you know where that came from?

It came from Christian Judeo values, but just saying that prayer doesn't belong in Congress for, um, so sorry. All right, you know, I can go off on, uh, these, these, uh, other topics and, um, can go all over the place. So I'll, I'll end this with this and I'll let you get to other callers. So if I'm sitting on the board, uh, if I'm the CEO of my company, if I'm some guy in a political office and a transgender hands me their resume and say they want to work from my company, work from my office, and I know what you said before, but I kind of want to frame it in the employer kind of facet.

What can I tell them to where I cannot hire them? Well, that's, you know, you have to talk to a lawyer at that point because I don't want to give any bad advice. Someone looks, but one of the things I found out, uh, through a lawyer is, uh, manifested in CARM, the statement of faith.

So let me get to it. Let's see statement of faith and I'll explain why this is, uh, necessary. And furthermore, I'm waiting for my website to be shut down and me be arrested. It's just, I don't know when it's going to happen, but, uh, I wouldn't be surprised. I pray that doesn't happen.

We also pray that doesn't happen as well. And, and, uh, also I'm going to say this, I'll just take a little moment out here. Uh, past few months, let's just say the CARM presence on the web has noticeably declined. So for example, the article, what is the Trinity used to be number one, number two or number three depending.

And, uh, now it's on the fourth, fifth, sixth page of Google. Now hold on, we'll get back. I'll talk more about this and what's going with different ideas of value persecution, what may be coming. So hold on folks, be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. We'll be right back. Matt slick live at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt slick. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy.

877-207-2276 Jamal, you still there? Yes, sir. All right. So your question prompted response and then a comment about, um, how this will lead to persecution of Christians. Ultimately the suppression of free speech, uh, various rights and things like that. And then that led to me commenting that the CARM website, for example, what is the Trinity article used to be number one and now it's on the fourth page of Google and I've kept records on things and it's getting worse and worse. CARM has been around for 29 years almost, and it's had 164 million visitors and they're written 6,000 articles. Yet there are sites that are far smaller who are more neutral and they rank higher.

So this is just a point to make that I've observed. Um, let's just say a suppression shadow banning of certain kinds of information from, because of the people and the corporations that are in control. So if you have trans people and LGBT people who are in control in those areas, they are going to work shadow banning information dissemination. They're going to work against it.

They're going to also work against the proliferation of Christian freedoms and ideas which stand in contrast to the LGBT, uh, uh, mob. So this is coming. There you go. In fact, we have been effective and take this as opportunity. We've been affected by this. Um, and so our traffic is going down, our donations are going down and, um, because people don't see us enough.

Yeah. Now, uh, what, two, three, four years ago, I don't know if people are aware of this. There was a movement by some liberal people to try and get PayPal to defund and cancel conservative groups bank accounts so they couldn't receive money and funds shut us down. Not us, but other groups.

Oh no, it's for real. So when we found that out, we moved away from PayPal. We don't do PayPal anymore and we have to go to another place and we had to work all that out. And there's problems when you shift because there are a lot of people still on PayPal and you know, it's fine. Uh, but we can't have new signups because we can't trust PayPal. We can't trust the bank system that we're at because we noticed that it's going liberal. How much longer before they say, well, I'm sorry, the Christian apologetics research ministry has spoken of a LGBTQ and said it's sinful. Therefore, we will not do banking with you.

Your assets are frozen because of the law that was passed recently, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera. This is the kind of thing that we're waiting for here at Karm. For real. Yeah. And it can happen just like that.

Jay Sekimo, which is also featured on this network, uh, truth network. If anybody's wondered Jay Sekimo, this is said or has said that this is a form of law fair. If they can't take you down physically, they will just write you away out of existence. Mm hmm. That's right. And so they can, all they have to do is go in and say that we cannot, uh, have any bank accounts here.

So then what we would have to do is go to a bank outside the country and see if we could find one some place that would let us work with them that wasn't too difficult to work. And then what the government would probably do when ministry start doing that is probably pass a law that if you do that 50% or whatever it is is now taxed, you know that they work against conservatives. They work against it. This is why I keep saying to Christians, it's time to stand up and fight back.

But the Christians, in my opinion, are taught mamby pamby crap in most pulpits, not taught what we need to do and what we need to know in order to stand up and fight against the enemy. And, but if you start talking like I'm talking, then people say, I'm gonna go to the church that tickles my ears and that's what's happening. So anyway, it's a whole thing I've been saying for years and years.

So, uh, yeah. And we have a plan. I'm just rambling now, but if, if Karm becomes illegal, then hopefully what we can do is continue to email people on a weekly basis with information and articles that I would write and ask for support that way, because we support missionaries in Africa, two of them in Africa and a full-time guy in Brazil and a full-time guy in Columbia who are on, have boots on the ground and they're talking to people and doing websites in those languages and issues that are there and we're supporting them, enabling them to do that and reach hundreds and hundreds and thousands and thousands of people in their countries for the Lord Jesus Christ.

And that would have to be stopped because I've already warned them. I say, look, it's getting thinner and thinner here in America as a whole and ministries all over the place are being attacked. And I say, you guys just got to, you know, just going to be aware of that, that it may be the case because our, our funding is decreasing.

I'm not complaining and whining, you know, it's just decreasing as a result of the shadow banning and stuff that's occurring of the conservatives on the, on the internet. So now it's a serious thing, which is why I say, Hey, you know, if everybody's out there, they like what they hear in the radio, you need to support the people, not just me, but other people, because otherwise it'll go and get this. Did you know that there's a movement to, for the FCC to get AM removed? Did you know that? I only heard about that again on truth network.

I did not hear that anywhere else. And that is absolutely crazy. But again, effort to silence Christian conservatives. That's right. Because conservatives are mostly on AM. Yeah.

Now AM has to go. And then what'll happen is they'll probably get rid of people on FM as well. They'll pass some law.

And then if you try and go to cylinder network, they're slow to follow, but they always follow and they always do what they can to penalize people after a while. And Oh, there's also been a movement to, uh, to classify the Bible as hate speech switch. I was going to say in Iran, I think it's Iran. If you're caught with a Bible in public, you can be killed or arrested. Yeah. So yeah, they call that honor killing in some countries. Well, honor killing has to do with families. And if you have a family member has done something, you can go and kill your family member. But Islam is an evil religion.

Yes. So, but the political people in control, unless they're regenerate, they will become corrupt because the regenerate people want to honor God in the responsibility, the position they're in. But those who are not regenerate, like Muslims, uh, Roman Catholics, uh, atheists, uh, trans LGBT, they're in places of power. They're not going to be submitting to the will of God because they just won't. They're going to be taking not all of them. Of course, people will be taking kickbacks and favors, uh, doing what they can do to promote their sexual agenda and the preferences and Christians.

Christians are an easy target because Christians are waiting to get raptured out of here and not do anything. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah.

Well, uh, I, I thank you very much for your time. I said I was going into the while ago. It's just real easy to have this back and forth with you.

And also hopefully it's empowering to other people to stand up and offer this charge. Um, as there's music, there's music, hold on. There's a break, buddy. After the break, you say your point and then we'll move on.

I want you to say it. Okay. Hold on, buddy. Hey folks, be right back with Jamal and we'll get to, let's see, Luke and Jim, then Elijah. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show.

It's the bottom of the hour. If you want, you can give me a call 877-207-2276. You can also email me a comment or question.

Just go to karm.org on your email and, or just info at karm.org on your email and, uh, put in their subject line, a radio comment or radio question. We can get to them. Let's get back to Jamal. Okay.

Jamal, buddy, you're back on here. All right. Uh, thank you for your time.

I'll get off the phone real quick. Uh, my challenge to the listeners out there, whatever political strife you belong to, ask yourself this question, which party will allow you to accept exercise your freedom of speech? Again, which party will allow you to exercise your freedom of speech, your freedom of religion or lack thereof? Uh, one party will shun you and excommunicate you and counsel you for certain various, uh, certain forms of speech and certain religions.

Now, another party, uh, I would say the conservative Republican party, while they might not agree with you, but I've seen their stance on freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Again, they might not agree with you. They will protect your freedom of speech and because they want to have from a speech of themselves. So freedom of speech not only protects the person speaking, but it also protects the here as well. It protects everybody. That's why they have it in the constitution because they don't want anybody under, they don't want anybody under any kind of persecution. So go for the party that allows you to be who you are, to say what you want within reason. And that's not going to be the other part.

That's going to be more so the conservative party. We need to have our freedoms. Some of the people don't have it. We need to have our freedom of, uh, religion and, uh, congregation, some of, um, also lack of religion, freedom of voting. You need your, all your freedoms. One party wants to shut down your freedom. Another party wants to uphold your freedom. Vote for that party. Vote for your values. Thank you for your time.

Next week. And God bless you. God bless you. And buddy, you need to move it to Idaho.

Be my neighbor. Okay. Just saying, just saying. All right, man. God bless.

All right. That's Jamal from North Carolina and let's get to Luke from Washington DC. Luke, gum.

You are on the air. Luke, are you there? Luke, I'm calling out to you. Luke, Luke, Luke ness. Let's see. Obiwan.

KALUQ. I don't know. I'm just trying something here.

I don't know if he's there. Let's see. What'd be another good thing to say. Luke.

You're Lukey. I don't know. I'm just going to hang up. What do you got, man?

What's up? Um, what does it mean to not despise prophecies to what is prophecy? What does it mean to not despise prophecies? There's one word. I don't understand something.

What does it mean to what's the one word? Not despise, not despise. Yeah. To not despise prophecies. What you're saying, you're asking, what does it mean to not despise the prophecies? Yes.

Well, to despise means to be negative towards and have an attitude of, of revulsion towards or hatred towards. Um, and so that would be to not do that, but I would assume to accept them. Why are you asking that? Yeah. First Thessalonians 5, 20. First Thessalonians 5, 20. Oh, no, it says do not despise prophetic utterances. Okay.

Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because as the non cessation is that I am, that's a good verse. Uh, it says, do not quench the spirit. Do not despise prophetic utterances. Actually, I'm gonna see what other, uh, other, uh, bibles render that.

Let's see. First Thessalonians 5, 20. Do not despise prophetic utterances. Do not despise prophecies, prophesying, prophecies, prophesying, prophesies, prophecies. Oh, the NASB is the only one that says prophetic utterances.

Interesting. The, all the other ones say just prophecies and that's because the Greek, uh, may actually thin eight, a prophet tastes. So, uh, yeah, it's, it's due to despise prophecies.

And, uh, that's what entered any other word utterances in there. And it says, or gifts as a prophetic. Well, anyway, um, we're not supposed to, uh, to despise them or negate them or be against them. Now that's really interesting because I know, I know of people who are cessationists who work against the charismatic issues and they go around speaking against it. They are despising the prophetic. You could say so. Interesting.

The prophetic. That's right. Cause it's in the accusative. So you can, you can tell me next day, uh, tomorrow or something, you know, if you think about it. Yeah.

Well, I got so much to do. I got a thing, I mean, but, uh, uh, so it's interesting it says in the Greek, do not despise prophetic, but it's accusative. It's the direct object. Uh, so it's referencing to receive the direct object. Um, let's see.

Let's see. Prophetic things like saying do not despise prophetic, but it's, it's a direct object. So it's like saying I walked on the beach, the beach would be the accusative. It's a direct object. It's in that condition of being in that grammatical place of the direct object. So the word don't despise the direct object.

Uh, it's like, don't despise the beach. Don't despise prophetic, but it doesn't have a, uh, a, um, a definite article. That would be really interesting if it did, but it doesn't. It just retains it at, uh, this is interesting.

Got me thinking about that. Uh, why? So the prophetic, it's like saying don't despise prophetic things. And, uh, so it's cause there's no definite article. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Anyway, you got me thinking about it. Okay. So yeah. Yeah. So what's the reason for this?

What, what happened? Uh, uh, one of the pastors was telling me, do not despise prophecies that I didn't know. I don't know that he despises them. Yeah. He's not a, he's a continuationist.

It's not a, it's a Pentecostal pastor. Okay. Well, he's good in that area at least. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. My reform brethren, uh, basically don't like my position. They don't like that.

I'm a continuationist and, uh, they barely talk to me and accept me. So, uh, okay. Well, that's what it is. All right. Interesting stuff. Yeah.

First Thessalonians 5 20. I will get the credit today. What's that? I will get the credit. You'll get the credit for being despised. Yeah. Okay. Well, sounds good. All right, buddy.

Well, God bless man. Okay. All right. We'll talk to you later. All right. Hey, if you want to call me, the number is eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania. Like to welcome you on here. Hey man, how you doing? Doing all right. Doing all right. Just super busy. You know, that's just me.

So what do you got ma'am? Um, yeah. Well, my question is, um, do you think that Daniel 10 13 is a good verse to use to prove to people that Michael is not Jesus Christ? Uh, because in the verse it says that Michael is one of the chief princes, but people who say that, you know, they don't like to say that Michael is, is, is the pre incarnate Christ. But, uh, but, uh, this verse says that he's one of the chief princes and the chief princes are the other, uh, angels or the other or the other high ranking angels.

The, uh, the new living translation says one of the archangels. So, uh, do you think this is a good verse against that? Because, yes, because this verse seems to put, he's put Michael on the same level as other angels or other archangels.

I agree with you. I think it's a good verse for that. It's not proof, but, uh, because proof is for logic and mathematics, but it is definitely a good verse to use against the, the error that Jesus is Michael, the archangel in the Old Testament. Now I got to say this, that when they say he's Michael, the archangel, they don't mean he's an actual angel, but that the representative form of him isn't an angelic form that was not an angel.

He's a pre incarnate word, but they're wrong about that. Hold on. We'll be right back after these messages.

Okay. Hey folks, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on here with Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome back on. Okay.

You there? Yeah. Um, uh, I'm still here and, um, and, uh, I digged into, on Bible hub, a strong concordance for the word chief. And, uh, it says, uh, uh, uh, re-shawn and, um, and, uh, one of the arguments that they like to use for Michael being a pre incarnate crisis, because, uh, uh, this word has many different meanings that you can mean, uh, that we're before time beginning eldest first forefather old time.

So, so, uh, so, uh, what are your thoughts on that? Well, words mean what they mean in different contexts. And, uh, so what we call that as a semantic domain. So the word green in English has a range of meanings. It has a semantic domain, including envy, color, money, sick, naive, and more. So we can't take the meaning of one of the word green in one context and transfer it to another that's called illegitimate totality transfer. So when you say this word has a, uh, a meaning, then we, that's fine.

No, no problem there because being, you know, words have generally have a meaning, but there's some words that have many meanings like the English word green. So I'm just saying, well, good. Uh, but then what I say is if you're going to go into a specific word in the Greek or in the Hebrew here, then, uh, if you see that it's only used in the other places and all other places in the same kind of context, the same kind of topic, then you can say, this is what it means. Uh, but here you could say it, it normally is used this way and means this and here, given that, that domain, that semantic domain, we can conclude ABC and, uh, I wouldn't be too dogmatic on it, but I would definitely bring that up. So it's a good point.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And, um, uh, I have one more question, um, out of, uh, revelation, uh, three 10, uh, I had brought this up to you last week, but, but, but, uh, when I had went back to read it, uh, after we had got off the air, I was like, I was like, oh man, I got, I got a calling back to ask him about this. So in revelation three 10, if you continue reading in that same verse, it says, it says the trials that, that will come upon the whole world. So that seems to be referring to the great tribulation because that's the only type of trial that's going to come upon the entire world. So, so what are your thoughts on that? Because, because again, this is a scripture that preachers like to use to say, there's going to be a rapture out of here for the tribulation. Yeah.

It's not a very good argument because there's the phrase I'm going to find it. The, uh, all the world was taxed. Let's see, I could find it here in the Bible. And that is, um, Luke two, let's see, Luke two.

Uh, yes. Now in those days, a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. And what it literally says is in the Greek, it says a census, which is an interesting word, Apographe Stag taken of all the pass on 10, uh, like a menu. So that that means, uh, all the inhabited, all of the, the, it just means all the inhabited area.

So now let's, now I'm gonna just do this again, go and see what the different translations do with it. And it says, and the SB says inhabited earth that, uh, ESV says all the world. King James says all the world, uh, let's see, RSV, all the world, LEB, all the empire, uh, Caesar Augustus, the entire Roman world and NIV, the whole empire, CSB. So this is one of the examples where the Jews and people that are speaking would speak metaphorically and exaggeration the whole world, you know? And it says, uh, for example, all of Jerusalem was going out to John, the Baptist to be baptized. Well, all of Jerusalem. No, it wasn't all of Jerusalem. It was the majority or maybe one in 10 out of a million people. And so, uh, all of, let's see, all of Judea, tend to find it.

I've, I've got it someplace. Anyway, the point is that it does say that I did this thing, uh, calculations on the issue of baptism and John the Baptist and how many people, because everyone was going out and it says all the, all the inhabited area, all this, all that. And what you find is that they would often speak in exaggerations. So when you go to those kinds of verses, uh, you had to be careful because it may be literal. It may not be literal. So when you go to revelation three, 10, that's coming up on the whole world. It might be in all seriousness, you could legitimately say it means everything in the whole world in the future tense. I don't have any problem with that, but it also might be that the issue and the, the idea of the time alone, then that tribulation was going to be all over the place there.

And it's a phraseology because both of those are linguistically and logically acceptable. You see what I'm saying? So, Yeah. And, uh, and, and also, um, uh, uh, uh, one post-trib preacher, uh, that I listened to said that, uh, you know, you know, you know, the preacher is like to say that it means that Jesus is going to take us out of the world, but, but, but what it actually means is that, is that Jesus is going to keep us through this, this time of trouble. So, so, so yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't think the preachers are interpreting it right.

No, I would agree with you. In fact, um, I've got scheduled for release an article, a list of verses on, um, on, because someone asked me, where's the article title? Uh, let's see, list of scriptures on the return of Jesus Christ and the rapture. And that's scheduled for the sixth. That'll be released in three days on Karm.

I just finished it today. I go through and show that, uh, Jesus' return will be, uh, like the wickedness of Noah's time with the wicked are the ones who are taken, not the good. When he returns in Mark, uh, he talks about the harvest, the wicked ones who were taken first at his return. And I show this to people, I got these verses right there and, um, go through the rapture, go through stuff. But anyway, Matthew 24, uh, Jesus' return is after the tribulation. That's when he sends the angels out to gather his elect after the trip. I mean, just, it says after the tribulation of those days, that's what it says.

It just blows me away. How people can, you know, it's okay. I get a whine and complain a little bit. It's okay if people believe in preacher rapture. It's what you do with it in your heart that bothers me. If people are going to say, well, I'm not going to worry about fighting for the kingdom now, because we're not in the kingdom of God because it's somewhere else.

And so I'm just going to relax because the enemy is going to take it over and I'm going to do nothing. I'm going to get raptured out of here. That's the problem because Jesus says at his return, he's going to take the wicked out of his kingdom.

And there's only one return of Christ and the return of Christ occurs with the rapture. So. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember, I remember one time I was, I was debating with a preacher and I told him, Jesus said in Matthew 24, 29 through 31, that he's going to return after the rapture. I mean, I mean, let me return after the tribulation, but, but, but their counter argument was that Jesus also said, uh, that, that, that you don't know the day or the hour of his return. So, so, so, so their argument was it doesn't work. It doesn't work.

It doesn't work because the, oh man, you don't know the day nor the hour. Let's just say hypothetically, but the preacher rapture is true. It happens on, let's just make up a date, January 1st, 2030.

Okay. Just going to say it, which I'm not making a prophecy. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm just saying music is a hypothetical date. So that means if the preacher rapture is true, then it means seven years to the day later, Jesus returns.

You would know the day and preacher rapture was true. So it works against them. I always kind of kick out of that argument. It's like, are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. And also, and also I like that.

I like to counter again with them by saying, yes, yes. He said, you don't know the day or the hour, but he didn't, he didn't say that you couldn't predict the, the month, the year or the decade or the century. Well, the time is season says, you know, the times of the seasons.

And he told the people, you know, this is, you know, the storm's coming and that's what we know. I mean, look at it. The leftist whacko morons are in power all over the world. They're turning our country step by step into a fascist dictatorial system where they're trying to get rid of our Republic. It's not a democracy, ladies and gentlemen, it's a Republic. They're trying to do that.

They're oppressing, they're changing the laws and they're going to do stuff. It's happening, you know? So, uh, forget about that, but it's happening. So then Jesus is going to return and take us out of it.

Oh, we got to go through it. Nothing in scripture says we get taken out of this. In fact, here's a verse, I've got nobody waiting so we can rant a little bit, jump in and just go for it. You got something you want to add, but, uh, you know, they'll say we're not appointed to wrath, but salvation, right? Not destined to run with it. And, uh, and, uh, let's see, is it, where is that?

It's in a firsthand is first tell man. Yeah, I know, uh, no, I know a good counter argument today is that it is that, yeah, we're not appointed to wrath, but, but, but the tribulation is not, it's not God's wrath because tribulation is what the world does to us. The wrath is talking about the, uh, the, uh, the old judgments in Revelation 16. Right.

There you go. And when it says not appointed to wrath, but salvation, what gets me is that they don't understand the Jewish juxtaposition that goes on. And, uh, it's not light, but dark. It's not good, but bad. It's not wrath, but salvation. What's the opposite of salvation? Damnation. That's what's going on. And people say, Oh, the wrath is the seven year tribulation period.

Like what, where'd you get that? And you know, it's like, come on, stop. And then don't forget two men in the field. What has taken one is left. See, we're getting out of here. That's the rapture. No, it's not.

It's the wicked who were taken. Oh, see, I'm a fighter. All right. I'm a fighter. I got, I moved 26 times before I was 12.

I learned how to become independent. I have a pension for righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ. And I believe that pastors should be equipping the Christians for the work of ministry, the work of ministry, all of them, not the babysit of ministry and that we can make a difference in this world that we're United and we need to do that and get United. That's what we need to do as Christians. I believe in standing up and going into the wind and fighting for the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ wants to live. It's contending for the faith instead of going, you know what?

I'm serving the blond here, but like a case insert for Jesus, I'm going to do nothing. Yeah. I have a question about your, about your, about your upcoming article to share about the release.

Can you include revelation, uh, 1914 or, or, or I guess the whole chapter of revelation 19, because pre-tribbers like to use that verse in that chapter to say that, to say that, um, uh, the saints return with Christ and that, and we're out of time, buddy. Email me that. Just email me and maybe I can add it in there. Email it to me at info at karm.org. Okay.

Because there's the music. We're out of time. Elijah, man, enjoy the combo with you. You keep it up, buddy. Okay.

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