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Welcome. You're on the air. Hello Matt.

Hello. Yep, I'm the non-trinitarian and I have a question. I've been trying to figure out some reason why the, in John 1-1, the third clause there, why the Greek syntax was changed from, and God was the word to, and the word was God. Why was that inverted like that?

Probably because it's the nominative in English. You have, so let's see, and so God was the word, right? In the literal Greek. Let me check. Correct. Let's see. Okay, so to it.

No, not right there. And God was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God. I think it's because, in English it sounds better, because both, it's called the nominative. Both are the nominative, the word word and the word God. And so when it says and God was the word, I have no problem with.

That's fine. But they just translated as the word was God, because I think the topic is the word was with God and then the word was God, because in the previous clause B, the, I guess it's called the predicate nominative, I'm trying to remember, is the word, so they can't transfer that over to the third clause. It is, yeah, it's a predicate nominative. And I thought maybe you were going to, did you say the reason was it, in English it sounds better? Was that your reason it was changed?

It might be, but I don't know. But I think it's because lagas in prostantheon is what the, let's see, look at it, in lagas, in the beginning was the word, the lagas in prostantheon and the lagas, the word was, actually it's interesting, it was toward or with the God and God was the word. So I'd have to talk to a Greek scholar to see why exactly it's changed. Right, right. Yeah, I can't find, I've been searching and I can't find any reason why. It seems like most people come up with this, what is it, the Caldwell Rule or something which has nothing to do, you know, it's a predicate nominative sentence. And so you don't have, could we kind of maybe do some research on that and maybe I could call you back next week and see what you've come up with.

Because I can't find any reason other than bias in the translation, you know, that would have changed that. Well, I won't be on the air live next week, I'll be off running out of state. Right, okay.

So what do you do? Because like it's really, go ahead. Let's just go with what the Greek literally says, what it says, and God was the word. So the word was with God and God was the word.

Right. So if the word is with God and God is the word, isn't it, don't you think it's interesting construction? Yeah, it is. And I don't, it kind of lines up with, you know, the rest of scripture. It just seems like being a non-trinitarian, I'm suspicious of why it was inverted like that and I can find no reason why other than, you know, other than there was bias there. No, no, no, I'm looking at it.

I have some more information for you. The definite article of the is before the word in both cases, but not in the word God. So, yeah, so we have Hologos in Proston Theon and the word was with God and then it says and the word was God. That's why it's doing that because the word is the subject of both and so it's keeping the flow. Well, if you, I thought maybe you'd know, you know, the article doesn't establish the subject of the sentence in Greek. It's the word endings.

They both end in o-f. So it's a predicate nominative sentence. The article has nothing to do with establishing the subject of the sentence. Yes, it does. You can have a subject without the noun there where the definite article takes the place of it and its form can then take its place.

So it can happen, all right? So it says the word Hologos in Proston Theon. So it just says the word was with the God and then it changes, which is interesting, and the word was God. So the nominative of both cases with the definite article is there but not with the word God. That's got to be why. So let me ask you, let's just say, let's just go with it as God was the word.

So what would that do for you? Well, in creation, God spoke. God, you know, and it's through, die, through the word that the worlds were created, not by the word, through the word. So it kind of gives you a more complete picture or it adds to the complete picture of what happened at creation. God said there was a word, there was a, you know, what is a word, you know?

It's like the old, go ahead. Verse 14, it says the word became flesh. And the word became flesh. So God did not become flesh, his word became flesh. So what the word was before the incarnation, you know, Jesus didn't exist till he was born of Mary. So there was something...

Hold on, hold on, hold on, focus, focus. The word became flesh. So the word was God, and God was the word.

Okay, that's fine. And then the word became flesh. So you're saying the word, what is the word? The word of God. It's just the word of God.

Whatever, whatever that was, we don't know, right? We don't understand or haven't, aren't privy to what the word was before the incarnation. I mean, we can... Is the word divine if God was the word? Does that make the word divine? No, the word wouldn't be divine.

I mean, what's your definition of divine? Well, I mean, it depends on, the word wasn't the God. It says the word was with God, and yet God was that word. God was that word, yeah. So how does the thing that is God be with God? What form the word was before the incarnation? I don't know, you don't know, God hasn't revealed to us. But, no, no, that's not the issue, it's not the form, it's with, the word was with God, and the word was God, or God was the word. So the thing is with God, but it is God.

How does that work? When you, like I say, we don't know what form. When you speak, remember the old thing, you might be old enough to remember, if a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound? No, the answer is no.

The answer is no. And I agree with you. It's a vibration. A word is nothing more than a vibration.

If there isn't an ear and all the little mechanisms to interpret the vibration, you know, it doesn't make a sound. But you're getting, you're talking about physics. No, no, right, exactly. What do you think happened at that instant, that nanosecond of creation, there was physics going on, okay? When something, when time and space began, it was physics that happened.

Okay, so yeah, you're exactly right. We're getting down to physics. Okay, when God spoke, there was a vibration, there was, there was, he spoke, okay?

And I, I, I, I, I, I, I, you can't have vibration without a medium. Well, you can, what makes you think there was no medium? God brought things into existence. There was nothing there except God.

Right, but it says in, it says in Genesis that the world was void and without form and the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. So there was something here, I don't, don't ask me, that's after, that's after God created it. So let me, I've got some questions for you.

I've got some questions for you. Who's your Savior? My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, died for me and his precious blood. Okay, so Jesus is your Savior and he's not God.

Yeah. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. So then, how, how is Jesus, who's not God, how's he your Savior?

How does that work? That's, that was part of God's plan, that, that the, when, when, when Abraham went up, when Abraham was going up with his son to make the sacrifice and he was in a, you know, and the son said, where is the sacrifice? And God will provide the sacrifice. God will provide the lamb. God provided, that's part of his story. He provided the lamb, the sacrifice to do the job of salvation for me and you and everybody.

You're going off, you're going off. I'm asking, you have a creature being your Savior, right? A creature, just a complete creature, right? A created thing, right? All right. Well, no, no, no. Jesus wasn't created. I never said Jesus was created. Well, wait a minute. So the Word, the Word became flesh, but the Word is not divine?

We got a break coming up. Jesus. Okay. Here, think about this.

Was the Word eternal before the Word became flesh? We'll answer, Steve can answer that when we get back. Okay. Hold on. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right.

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You can check it out, karm.org, karm.org. Let's get back to Juanita. Are you still there? I am. Okay. So let me repeat the question here. So is the Word, that's the Word that was with God, was that Word eternal before it became flesh? What it says the previous clause was that in the beginning was the Word. It doesn't give me any indication that it was from eternity.

No, I do not believe that. And in addition to that, it tells me, Scripture tells me, the answer is no. Scripture tells me where the Word came from.

Well, I'm just asking a simple question, don't need an explanation. It says, is either the case as eternal or not, it is not eternal. So if it's not eternal, then God created the Word, right?

No, no, no. No, you can't say that. The Word wasn't created. The Word is God's only begotten and it's not begotten from Mary at his birth. Consider this, what Scripture says, and I think it's John, Jesus tells us that he came forth, ek, ek is the Greek word, from out of, out of the interior of. See, Jesus is the Word of God and he came forth out of. Oh, so that he's divine.

Out of the interior. No, no, that doesn't make him divine. Wait a minute, so if something comes out of the very nature of God, and it's not divine? Well, it depends on what your definition of divine is. When you say divine, what, are angels divine? God is divine. God alone is divine.

We're not talking about angels. If you're going to, okay, if you're going to say, okay, but I'm trying to get at your definition of divine, we've got to make sure we're talking on the same page. If you're saying that only God is divine, then I would have to stick with my original statement. No, Jesus is not divine. Okay, so God alone is divine and the Word proceeded out of God, right?

Right. And was it alive before? Was it self-conscious before? I said before, I don't know what form, you know, if it was flesh or, we're not privy to the understanding of what the Word was. Was it conscious before it became incarnate or not conscious? I told you, I have no idea, God has not shared with any of us what the Word was before his incarnation.

But then, you've got to do some serious thinking here. If the Word existed, then it has a nature, whatever that nature is. And if you say that the nature then became conscious, then you're saying its nature was not conscious, then became conscious. That's a violation of continuity.

You can't have that. You can't have non-consciousness exist and then become consciousness. Because the properties emanate from the essence of something. So the initial essence, whatever it is, has to have consciousness or it does not.

And if it does not, it never will. Because that's its nature. So if you say it wasn't conscious, it's a problem. You see the problem?

Because now you have the non-conscious becoming conscious. It's logically impossible. Okay?

That doesn't work. What was it before that you... Well, I don't want to get off on a tangent. No, no, no, this is important. I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. Yes, yes. I'm trying to show you why you're wrong.

No, no, no. Let me give you an example. Let me give you an example of something. If a bowling ball, it's not conscious. Its properties are such that it doesn't have it and cannot have it.

If somehow, and the bowling ball became flesh and dwelt among us, and we watched him and he talked and everything. No. Whoa. Your analogy... I'm trying to show you something.

You can't use it. Juanita, I'm showing you your logic is flawed. Your position is wrong.

You're on the road to domination. Your analogy is flawed. I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to show you by analogy the nature of a property that cannot change. I'm just trying to give you an analogy because you're not thinking this through. I'm just using an analogy. You're talking about God, Matt. We're talking about God. Yes, whatever the word was, it was either the case that it was conscious, self-aware, or it was not the case. If it was not the case and it became self-aware, then there's a change in its essence. That's a problem for you.

If, on the other hand, let me show you the problem with you. If, on the other hand, you say it was conscious, now you have a consciousness that comes out of God's divinity that pre-existed the incarnation, and then I'm going to ask you what was its nature, divine or not nature, and then if you say it's not divine, then how do you have a consciousness that exists outside of God, which means you're going to have to say it's created, but you said it wasn't created, so you had a problem. Either way. When Moses was going through the desert and the cloud by day and the fire by night, or when the voice spoke out of the burning bush, or all of these, I don't know, some people call it God manifestation. You know, I don't know what those things were. None of us know how God manifests.

How Jesus Christ is the bridge. It's pre-existence. Juanita, you're ignoring the problem. Yes, Matt. I've raised the problem.

Yes, you are. I'm not ignoring it. No, no, you're trying to, no, you're trying to explain, you're trying to ask for an explanation of something that is still in the mirror, darkly. No, you don't understand.

What is that scripture? No, Juanita, that's not it. I'm trying to show you something. Listen for a second, I'll show you.

It's the case. God has not shared with us. By faith we have to understand. Juanita, you're getting pinned, and now you're trying to over talk.

A lot. No, no, you're not letting me talk. Logic says the word was either self-aware before it became flesh, or it was not self-aware before it became flesh. Is that correct? May I answer that without your interruption?

Just which is it? Okay. Is it logical that something was created from nothing? Can we logically explain anything about God?

Can you logically tell me how the world was created? Can you logically explain it to me, Matt? Juanita, Juanita, we're talking about the nature of the word. It's either the case or the word. We're talking about God here.

If I'll answer you about the nature of the word, if you'll logically tell me how the world was created, it's fair. You're being foolish. You're not logical. No, I'm not being foolish. You're not thinking critically. Now you're not answering the question. Yes, you are.

You are. You cannot rely on logic. You cannot rely on logic to talk about God. Juanita, you're doing the same thing the atheists do. You do the same thing the atheists do when I pin them.

You get stuck and you start demanding an answer to a question that's not related. I'm ready to listen. Okay, we're done.

Okay. I had to drop her because she just won't talk now. She won't listen, won't have a dialogue. This is what happens a lot when I deal with atheists and with people and I pin them. I'm going to explain what the logic problem was with her.

She didn't want to go into it, but I've had this kind of conversation, same formula, different variable countless times. I'll talk to atheists, for example, and I'll show them logically why they have a problem and then they start doing the exact same thing, speaking incessantly, constantly, and then raising a different issue and then demanding I answer a different issue. Otherwise, they're not going to answer.

It's because they're stuck. When we get back, I'll explain what the problem was in more detail and then we'll get to the next longest waiting, which is Rudolph. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Hey, let me give you a slower explanation of what the logical impossibility that she was proposing for herself on the previous caller there. It's either the case or it's not the case.

This is a disjunctive syllogism issue. You only have two options. It's either the case that the word before incarnation was self-aware or personhood, or it was not the case that it was self-aware, hence no personhood. There's no third option. It's either one or the other. It's either the case that whatever the word was before the incarnation, it was self-aware or it was not the case that it was self-aware.

It was either person or not person. There's no third option. Whenever you have only two options and you remove one, you disregard or you prove one of them is false, then the other one by default is true. It's called a disjunctive syllogism. If you can show, for example, that it was not possible that the word was one or the other, then it must be possible that it was the other.

It's really simple. If it's the case that the word was not conscious, not person, and then became flesh, then you have a change in its nature, because it's either the case that the word, whatever the word was because the word became flesh. If someone wants to say the word changed, well then it's not the word anymore. It's like saying in Jehovah's Witnesses, say, Michael the archangel became a man.

He stopped being an angel and became a human. Well, that's impossible, and the reason it's impossible is because the nature of something has properties, has things related to what it is. A bowling ball is a good example of something. It's not self-aware.

It does not have that quality of it. If it became self-aware, it's no longer a bowling ball, because bowling balls by definition are not self-aware. This is just an exercise on a very base level of teaching what it means to have an ontos, an essence, and the properties that relate from the essence. If the essence changes, the properties change.

It's no longer what it was. An angel to become a man, for example, means the angel stops existing and then becomes a man, because the nature and the properties of an angel are different than the nature and the properties of a man. So it's impossible for an angel to have its essence tied to the nature of an angel.

That's what it is. And then if it stops being an angel, it doesn't exist anymore, because that's what an angel is. And its personhood is tied to its nature, the angelic nature. So if it stops being an angel, its personhood stops.

It doesn't get transferred to another form, because it just doesn't work. Properties relate to the essence, and the characteristics relate to the essence. If the essence changes, the properties change and you no longer have what it was originally.

It's gone. So this basic form of logic, it's just basic stuff. If the word was impersonal and became flesh and became personal, then Juanita would have a huge problem, because then we have the problem of continuity, where whatever the word was changed its nature to become self-aware. That's a problem. You can't have that, unless she wants to say that the word and the human flesh were in union.

Now we're getting towards a hypothetical union. If she says, on the other hand, that the word was personal before it became flesh, now she's got another problem, because if the word was God or God was the word and the word became flesh and it was personal, then she's going to have to deal with two gods and the issues related to that. This is why it's a problem.

I think she saw it, which is why she started to filibuster, because she didn't want to face it. Another technique that I've noticed the atheists do is that when I get them to this place of seeing the problem, they then give a bad question and say, I'm not going to answer your question until you answer mine. If I do, I've done this on experiments. If I do answer their question, they use it as a, as a springboard to attack something else because they want to stay away from what I was raising.

It's a technique and I'm very familiar with it. Anyway, that's all I have to say. So much heresy, so little time. Rudolph from Raleigh, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. Get you back, brother.

Hey man, how are you doing buddy? All right, fine. I just want to say, Oh, we lost you.

No, no. You gave the best example of Armenian faith or beliefs versus Calvinists by saying that God's nature is good and our nature is bad. That was so good. I loved it.

Thank you. That was a very good explanation of God's nature and our nature. We can't do good because of our nature. Anyway, my question is, can't should a Christian continue to listen to another Christian who quotes an uninspired text like the book of Jaster or Enoch? Well, you can read them, just don't consider them inspired. That's all. Nothing wrong with reading those things like reading the Quran. It's not inspired of God. I read it and check it out cause it's, you know, it's a book. That's all.

Okay. Well, this guy actually mentioned a chapter in Jash. You could just say in the book of Jash like it does in our Bible. You know, I know when Joshua asked the Lord to stop the son. He mentioned like in the book of Jash, but he actually mentioned the actual chapter and that's a little different. Yeah. The book of Jash is in Joshua 10, 13, but there are at least 21 books mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible, that are not scripture. Did you know that?

No, I did. Sure. The book of the Wars of the Lord, Numbers 21, 14, the Chronicles of David, 1 Chronicles 27, 24, the book of the Kings of Israel and Judah, the book of the Kings of Israel, the words of the King of Israel, the Chronicles of Samuel the Seir, the Chronicles of Nathan, the prophet, the book of Gad, the book of the prophet Edo, the book of Jehu, the book of life. So in the last book, there's other books mentioned. Okay. Yeah.

People don't know that. So if they just, so if they mention it, but it doesn't mean, yeah, it doesn't mean that they're inspired just because they're mentioned. Okay. All right.

So if they bring it up, it's okay. So yeah. So like in Titus 1 12, Paul says, one of yourselves, one of themselves, a prophet of their own said, Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons. This testimony is true.

So, okay. So Paul quoted a pagan philosopher, a pagan prophet. It doesn't mean he was true. It was a true prophet of God. Just like, you know, it's like a Muhammad.

Okay. He was a false prophet all the way. Well, he could have said something that was true and someone could reference it.

It's true. What he said doesn't mean he's inspired of God any more than when I say something is true. It doesn't mean I'm inspired of God. Okay. Okay. So if we, if you bring it up, should we continue to listen to that person who wrote that book?

It depends. If they quote it as authoritative, then they're wrong. They can quote it as saying, Hey, here's something that's interesting. Just like in Acts 17, 28, when Paul quotes, uh, uh, Erastus, for we are all his children, he's witnessing to the pagans. It was a Greek contract. And if 1st Corinthians 15, 33, he says, it says bad company corrupts good morals.

And that was a current saying forming a verse in Menander, the comic poet who probably took it from Euripides. Okay. Okay.

Thank you very much for the answer. God bless you. And I hope your wife is doing better.

She needs prayers, but thanks. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right. God bless. Bye.

All right. Hey, that was pretty good. Let's get to Ebenezer.

Hope his last name's not Scrooge. How are you doing from California? Yeah, I'm good. Um, I'm good.

Uh, Matt, I just had a question. Um, are you familiar with the, the Canaanite God? Uh, yeah. Um, so I heard some where he said that, um, when I was talking about Lucifer, he wasn't talking about, um, it wasn't talking about the devil that he was referring to the Canaanite gods and that, uh, Elohim is, um, Elohim is not talking about the God of the Bible.

Oh, and, uh, so the problem with this kind of thinking is that the word Elohim has a lot of usages in a lot of different contexts. And, uh, we've got a break coming up. So tell you what, when we get back to the break, I'll explain, explain more. Okay. All right, buddy. Okay.

Hey folks, we have a good question and we'll get to that right after the break. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Ebenezer. You well, I mean, you still there?

Yeah, I'm here. All right, man. So, uh, let me make sure I understand your question.

The word Elohim, multiple gods and things like that. Are you concerned about that and stuff for what? Yeah. Yeah. Um, but they, you know, they, uh, person said that, um, well, it's a two part question. Um, um, multiple, like it's the Canaanite God. Um, and um, that there was multiple Elohim. That was the first part, first question.

Yeah, in that sense. So the word, uh, Elohim occurs, uh, 2,599 times. Now you can go to Exodus 20, which is the listing of the 10 commandments, you know, and it says, uh, then Elohim, God spoke, these words saying, I am the Lord. I'm Yahweh. You're Elohim.

Okay. Who brought you out of the land of Egypt? You shall serve no other gods, no other Elohim. What?

Wait a minute. What he says in verse five for the Lord, your God, for Yahweh, your Elohim, and they jealous God. So wait, there's, I guess there's lots of gods, right?

That's what the implication is. I'll answer you here, but check out. So then the sons of Israel, uh, this is Josh, uh, judges 10, nine. Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of Yahweh. They served the balls and the, uh, the Elohim, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon and the gods of the Philistines. Okay.

Now, what I'm going to do now is, uh, okay. Galatians four. However, at that time when you did not know God, you were slave to those which by nature are no gods, but now that you've come to know God or rather to be known by God.

So Paul in Galatians four eight recognizes that there are other gods that are not by nature, truly gods. Let's go to Isaiah 43. This is God speaking. I think God would know what was going on.

All right. And he says in a 43 10, you are my witnesses declares Yahweh. That's the name of Elohim of the Jews, right?

Yahweh. He says, and my servant whom I have chosen so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he before me, there was no Elohim formed. There'll be none after me, no God formed. Wait a minute. If there's other gods for real, then all those other gods have to be eternal, just like him, because he said, there's none formed before him and none after.

Well, if there's other gods, it means then they have to always be eternal like God, but there's problems. Okay. We're just working with logic. We'll narrow the field down a little bit. Isaiah 43, um, 44, three, uh, 40.

Let's see 43, 10, 44, six. I didn't do my kit for thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer Yahweh of hosts. I'm the first and I'm the last, and there is no Elohim, no God besides me. He says, there aren't any. And in verse eight, he says, is there any other rock? Is there any other God besides me?

Is there any other rock? I know of none. That's Isaiah 40, four, eight. He said, I don't even know of any others. So when the Bible talks about other gods, it's just like you and I saying, Hey, there's one true God, but the Mormons have a God, but we're using the exact same word, but the Mormon God is not the real God. The Jehovah's Witness God is not the real God.

The God of Islam is not the real God, but there's one God of the Bible. The same word is used in different contexts. That's all that's going on.

It's the same thing in the Bible. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, um, what about the, um, the Anunnaki, the Anunnaki, uh, the Anunnaki, the Nephilim and other stuff. Um, they're not gods and there's discussions about what the Anunnaki is or are.

And some say half breeds like the Nephilim and, uh, some even say aliens, reptilian aliens and things like this, but basically they were, uh, out of false deities and false gods and things like that. Okay. Okay.

Um, so also, uh, cause Catholics use a logic to prove that Mary is the mother of God, I guess they, they use it in that terminology. Um, what, what answer, how, how, how will I, what, how can I, you know, answer to that? I don't have, how do I answer to that? Well, sure. Um, what I do, I'm trying to find the verse.

Where is that? Cause I have my notes in my Bible. Let's see. Um, the mother, I could do it this way. Let me open up my file on Catholicism.

It'll take a few seconds to open up. So when they say she's the mother of God, there's some problems. One is the Bible never says that it's their logic. So what I'll often do is use that logic against them. It's very simple. Okay. So watch this. Let's see. Uh, let's see.

Mother of my files open now. So I'm going to go to it and let's see, I wonder if I could do it this way. I should do it that way.

No, it didn't work. So I've got a bunch of results here. Let's see. Get to Mary and then I'll do that. I got a big file.

It's 229 pages. All right. So I got there.

And the reason I'm stalling a little bit is, uh, I want you to hear what I did my research on and I found some stuff that's really interesting. Okay, here we go. Finally, finally got it.

All right. So if Mary's the mother of God, then Joseph is the stepfather of God. James, Joseph, Judas and Simon are the cousins of God. John the Baptist was also the cousin of God. Eli was the great grandfather of God as was Jacob. My thought was the great grand, the great grandfather of God as was Matan and Levi was a great, great grandfather of God as was Eliezer. So why is it the Catholics only exalt Mary as the mother of God yet ignore the father of God, the cousins of God, the sisters of God and the grandfathers of God and the great grandfathers of God? Why stop with Mary? It's one of the questions I asked him.

Why would they do that? Oh yeah. So yeah. So, so if you're saying pretty much if they, they should be, um, uh, acknowledging the whole lineage, I guess. Right.

Yeah. The reason they do this with Mary is because they're idolaters. They want her to be the mother of God, but it's not the mother of God. It's never said that she's the mother of God. It's, there is a statement, the mother of my Lord and Elizabeth gives that. I'm trying to find it right now. I got, uh, um, let's see, father, mother, but she says that it's going to be in Luke, but I'll find it later.

I, you know, I like to have things memorized so, so I don't have everything memorized. So she calls Mary the mother of my Lord. Okay, well we can call her that, call him that and call her that because she's a mother of the Lord.

Now, what does that mean? You see, the Lord is Jesus Christ incarnate, the sovereign one, but God is a Trinity. The word that became flesh is not the Trinity, but the word and he is our Lord because of what he did and who he is in that context. So when they say she's the mother of God, it brings confusion and it also exalts Mary to the level of a functioning goddess when they do stuff like this. So what I'll say to them, I say, I don't call her the mother of God. Well, is Jesus God? Yes, but the Trinity is also God. So is she the mother of the Trinity? And I'll ask them that and they get stuck because they're not thinking clearly.

And I say, the reason you want to call her the mother of God is so you can pray to her and you can adore her and you can commit your idolatrous practices with her. And I tell them that, I say, you guys are idolaters. Well, they don't like it, but I tell them, I say to over and over and over, they are.

Um, okay. Um, um, also, um, cause that's the same thing I would tell them, you know, um, but you know, I guess like they wouldn't, they wouldn't receive like, they wouldn't receive it. Like, I guess it's, uh, it's, it's a brainwashing thing with them.

Um, very good. Um, and tell them that, um, tell them you're brainwashed. Yeah, but yeah, but it's like, I want to be able to penetrate to them so they can get it. But it's like always they, they, you know, they end up, you know, shutting off, shutting me off. But, um, let me, let me offer you something.

And, and brother, what you just said, just warmed my heart. It's exact same thing I want to do with them. Reach them. Exactly.

Yeah. Cause you can say truth and they don't listen, man. I just love that you said that here, try this. I say to them, I can prove to you, you're more loyal to your church than Jesus. And they say, no, that's not true as I can prove it. And I say, is Jesus God? Yes.

Does he have all authority in heaven and earth? Yes. Does he say, come to me?

Although we're heavy laden, I'll give you rest. Yes. It's okay to pray to Jesus because he says, ask me anything in my name and I will do it. Yes. Does he forgive sins?

Okay. If you were to ask Jesus, not Mary, not anybody else, the person of Christ, you were to ask him to forgive you of all of your sins. Will he forgive you of all of your sins?

Ask that question of them because they get different answers. Well, he set up the church. We've got to go to the priest. That proves to me that they're more loyal to their church. And if they say yes, you'll be forgiven. If you're really sincere to say, God is the one who gives faith.

He grants it. Philippians 1 29. That faith is in Christ, John 6 29. So you're sincere because God's working on you. And if you are sincere, will you forgive you? If they say no, man, you can rip them up on that one. You're saying, Jesus won't forgive you if you go to him and ask, he says, ask me anything in my name.

I will do it. You call him a liar. And if they say, well, yes, you can, you can go to him. But what he wants you to do is do that in the priest and in the sacraments. I say, see, you can't go just to Jesus. You have to go to your church.

You're more loyal to your church than Jesus, because Jesus has come to me. He didn't say, go to a priest. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, also um, one, one, um, uh, oh, yeah. Can you give me that, uh, that verse that you just gave me about, um, ask anything in my name for passes.

John 14, 14, 14, 14, 14. Hold on. Let me write that down. I have this one more question before I get off.

Uh, John, you got 30 seconds. Okay. All right.

Uh, 14, 14. Okay. Um, also, um, also, uh, there's one, one, um, cause I did that and not be questioned.

Um, there, uh, cause the, it, it was kind of, sorta had to do with the Elohim thing, but kind of, kind of not, uh, cause he was regarding to, um, the Bible never, uh, um, um, Isaiah at a time, but tell you what you call that tomorrow. I'll research it tonight and write an article. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Okay. God bless. Sorry. We're going to time there and uh, sorry, Jermaine on eternal salvation. I know you waited a long time. I really wanted to talk to you about that. And Elijah regarding Jeremiah eight, eight. Uh, sorry about that too. Call back tomorrow. You guys, God bless. Your program powered by the truth network.