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Go ahead. Hey, Matt. How are you tonight? Oh, hanging in there. Hanging in there. More hanging in there, but I'm hanging in there.

So what do you got? Indeed. I was on the show with you last night when it went off the air. And we were discussing faith and how it plays a part in politics, if it plays any part in our politics. And you had asked me to call back.

So we went out of time at the end of the show. We were we were kind of in the middle of discussing how a lot of people and especially Christian listeners that I've heard on this show and a lot of my Christian friends believe that the Republican Party is a party that's going to save us. And I had brought up the point that I didn't believe that any of the political parties or pundits were were going to help us in a broken system. We talked and we touched on a little bit about how some of the members of the World Economic Forum, the group that likes to try to control global politics without being elected by filling the pockets of the people that we eventually get to vote on. I'm being facetious when I say get to vote on. But I kind of wanted to expand on that a little more tonight.

And since you had asked me to call back, I did. And I wanted to I wanted to put a message out to your listeners that that I believe we we are under spiritual attack, even even through politics, especially through politics. And I hear people say things like they're they're going to gain a victory somehow through voting on this candidate or that candidate, which I don't believe there is any victory down that path. I don't believe the court systems are another.

I think they're as corrupt as the politicians. And then I hear people say, well, we have to take a stand. And when you hear language like that, it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. I I think that when a Christian needs to take a stand, it is a it's more of a stand in the stance of prayer. I believe that our God will deliver us.

I believe that the God the same God of Israel that sent Hornets before the people to to clear out the land has that same power. But I believe that many of if not most of us and I'll put myself in this category as well, could quote Tucker Carlson better than we could Jesus. That's a huge problem. When we have a question in politics.

You have a question you want to get into? Because I'm with you. I hear you. We could talk about solutions with the Christians need to be doing. Yes, that is my question. When I when I listen to your program, possibly the only thing that I I'm not going to say I disagree with, but I'm not sure I'm on the same wavelength with you on is what the solution is to this. I don't hear a lot about how we should be standing together in prayer and how we should be equipping ourselves spiritually for we're also not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and the powers. I hear take a stand. I hear a lot about election.

I hear a lot of politics talk. Okay, well, let's talk about what we can do as Christians because if you're right, the first thing we got to do is part praying. And the second thing we got to do is start doing. And so Christians need to invade every area of life in every aspect of society. They need to invade because it's an invasion because it's a secular realm that Christians need to get into because they want us out. Well, we need to invade their realm. But they don't real lot of Christians don't realize that the Lord Jesus is the one who's in control.

Now, I get into eschatological things about the millennium and all this kind of stuff and he's raining right now and all this stuff doesn't really make a difference right now. What Christians are supposed to be doing is not being mamby-pamby in their theology. They're to learn the depth of God's word and the pastors need to start teaching to equip the Christians.

We talked about this yesterday. But the Christians need to start being involved and getting on school boards. They need to start getting involved in local politics. They need to start getting involved in everything they can. They need to be in hospitals. They need to be in politics. They need to be in government. They need to be in the media. They need to be involved. Unfortunately, what's taught by too many pastors is that the Christians are to have nothing to do with the unbelievers.

Let them have their way. And it's exactly the wrong message. Because the Bible says go make disciples of all nations, nations, groups. It means converting entire people groups. And you do that not by just sitting on your knees and praying and then you go watch TV.

You pray to prepare the way and then you go because God will send you. And people don't want to do the second part and they don't know what it means. So that's what's happening. Christians aren't doing what they need to do. And they can make a change of the world.

They can. So that's what you need to do. Get involved with every area of politics, every area of everything and actually consider it a ministry and a calling from God as a Christian to do whatever you can for the glory of God in whatever area of society you are working in. And do it aggressively for the glory of God.

That's what needs to happen. Now, let me ask you. You ever heard that message from the pulpit? You ever heard that? I've not heard that message that way.

And I do agree with that to an extent and to the extent that when we talk about going through political channels, I believe that these political channels at this point are so corrupted that anybody who is well-meaning or well-intentioned is going to be chewed up and spit out before they ever get to a point where anyone could even hear their message. You know what? You just said God sends the locusts. He sends the plagues.

He opens the way. So Christians have to realize that what they've done is they've not trusted in God the way they're supposed to. They're supposed to do it actively and moving and getting out there and they've not done it.

Now we have an uphill battle and they have to realize. It's like on social media, I go into social media, I go into rooms and I discuss things and I get attacked. I have literally been swatted. Someone called the police and then said that I personally had just shot and killed my wife. And there were guns pointed at me everywhere about three and a half years ago, almost four now, everywhere. And I was walking out, my hands up in the air and the whole thing. I got handcuffed, put into a car and of course cleared because it never happened and everything's fine.

It was called getting swatted. Hey, this happens. If you think that the unbelievers are going to play fair, you're deceived. They're wicked. They're animalistic.

They serve the devil. And when you get into that realm, just get ready that this is what's going to happen and expect it. Yeah, they're going to get chewed up and you keep going and you keep going and you keep going. That's what has to happen.

Christians give up too easily, you know, because they're taught wanny theology. I got to sit down and eat a hammock. Please, please make me comfortable, Mr. Pastor. Okay. Are you there? Yeah, I'm here.

I wasn't, I was just listening and I'm still here now. So no, I, I agree with all of that. I believe that, I believe that God will open unconventional channels. I, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I just, I still feel like you, you believe that we're going to get in through the American political system, through school boards.

And as you said, you're, you got swatted just for simply being in a chat room. Uh, and I'm, and I'm not suggesting that everybody just lay down and be defeated, but I'm, I'm not certain that trying to, trying to go through those channels is, is the way. It is a way. It's a way we are not to sit idly by all areas of life.

Okay. All areas of life ought to be in subjection to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Christians are the missionaries. We serve God. He can make things happen.

He can open up doors. We need to have that faith and move forward. Yes, it's corrupted.

Everything in the political system is corrupted. So let's go be light and salt in the world. If we get chewed out, we get chewed out. So what happens? And I appreciate your time. I've enjoyed talking to you. Uh, I always enjoy your program. I've learned a lot from you, especially as it pertains to the Holy Trinity.

I point to your resources a lot as I'm trying to explain that to other people. Uh, so I didn't, I don't want this to come across as an attack on you in any way. I just, I don't, I also feel like you have a big listenership and, and I don't, I don't want people to be misled thinking that, uh, voting for the right or voting for the left and upcoming elections is going to be what, what takes us where we need to be. Because I don't believe we have representatives currently who, who represent our faith. I certainly don't believe as it comes down to a presidential election, there are, there are any candidates who represent Christian beliefs. Well, you know, be that as it may, we're to vote and we certainly don't want the, uh, the, uh, comrade, uh, regime of the Biden administration. And you know, the, the, they're just lining their own pockets.

They don't have the interests of American people, you know, before them and they're corrupt. So I agree to that, but I don't, I'm not sure that, but I'm not sure that the alternative is, is any better. Well, Trump is better than Biden.

Okay. Trump is better than Biden. And I know a guy who knew him personally, believe it or not worked with him personally. And he said, uh, I can only tell you what my friend said about Trump. And he said that Trump is a Christian. Now, how good of a Christian?

I don't know, but he said he was so I can just leave it at that. But, uh, we don't want, we don't want Biden and the commie socialist regime back in there. Okay. We got to get rid of them. So we, we vote.

I would prefer, I would prefer neither. Well, okay. And I think that's where a lot of people stand. But the thing is, the thing is someone's going to be in there.

Who do you not want in there? That's how I look at it. Well, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson wrote in the declaration of independence, that when a government becomes corrupt of such ends, that the government derives power from those in which it governs.

And when a government becomes corrupt of such ends, it's the right of the people and the duty of the people to overthrow that government and install new guards for its future security. I've had that memorized for a long time. I didn't just read that. And I believe that we passed that point at least a half. I'm only, as I said last night, I'm only 45 years old, but I believe we passed that point well before I was born.

I believe our government had been corrupted beyond, uh, beyond anybody's belief by the time I was born in 1978. So here's the thing. We got a break. We got a break. I got you.

We got a break. I got you. But there are other things we could talk about, but not on the air. Okay.

There are other things behind the scenes, but we can't talk about on the air. Hey folks, got to go. Okay. So folks, there's a, there's a break and if you want, continue to listen. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you gotta do is dial 877-207-2276. All right, let's get toned with Mike from Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

Welcome you on the air. Hey Matt, this actually ties in with the conversation, with the discussion you had yesterday and at the early part of your program today. Why did God tell the children of Israel to destroy, uh, like everybody in Jericho? Um, that's in Joshua six, you know, and uh, of course they did and it was man, woman, child, you know, young old ox, sheep, whatever.

Just wipe it all out. Um, why did he do that? Because they were wicked people. Okay.

Right. And, and, and wasn't part of that, the concern that they would, uh, corrupt the children of Israel and the children, and they were corrupted. For a broader perspective, the people who were in Jericho were corrupt and I've been to Jericho.

Okay. And stood on the walls, walked around. It's really interesting, but, uh, the, the people of Jericho were wicked people. And one of the main reasons, if you put Jesus in the middle of it, it'll make sense. God did not want the Israelites to become morally corrupted and thereby thwart the promise of God that the Messiah would come through the nation.

So he had to keep Israel pure and sufficiently isolated from the paganism around them. And that's why they would, uh, be wiped out. That's, that's another reason.

Uh, and also because they're just wicked and doing evil things. Well, some people say, well, what about the babies, the children? Why wipe them out too?

Well, who are you going to do? For one thing, there's logistics. If you take the children into your homes, I'm not saying this makes it okay. I'm just saying that, you know, just thinking out loud, you take them in your homes and then they find out later as they grow up that where they came from, then you risk the idea of them rising up within Israel to, uh, to exhibit retribution upon the nation. So a lot of times they just had to, that's it, wipe them all out. And then the young, if they were wiped out, if they went to heaven, be with the Lord, there's debate about this, then that would have taken care of that as well.

So there's different theories and ideas about it, but the two main reasons they were wicked to stop the wickedness and keep the messianic line pure inside of Israel. Okay. Right. And, and what we're doing today in the United States is kind of the reverse of that in that we're letting all of these cultures that are not compatible with, certainly not with Christianity, but not even with Western civilization.

And we're letting these cultures into America, which is why we wind up with the squad, uh, you know, Ilian Omar and, uh, uh, the Shalib woman, whatever, believe nothing else. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, and, and right. And you see the, and you see this with the demonstrations of pro Palestinian demonstrations in the United States. You know, if you'd have told me that 10 years ago, that that was going to happen in the United States, I would have said, yeah, you're mine, but people are brainwashed that same concept. Right.

Exactly. So, you know, I've watched for Chris, you know, I just had watched a lot of videos and, uh, I've watched YouTube more than anything else now. And so they do these videos where they will have people, uh, go out and interview others and they'll, you know, a quote, you know, who are and things like who started, um, who freed the slaves, which party Democrats or Republicans. And people say, Oh, the Democrats did. And you know, it was Republicans, which party, uh, was started to, to stop slavery. Oh, the Democrat.

Nope, it was Republicans. And they'll do this. People are brainwashed constantly because the media is leftist schools are leftist, which is why you have these morons who can't think their way out of a white paper bag. They go out there and they think that Hamas is the victim when they are killing their own people. They are raping and torturing people. They go into Israel and kill and murder and they do all kinds of stuff and that they're the victims. So Israel has come back and done what it needs to do.

It's going to wipe them out to stop it. Yeah. It's like the conquest of Jericho.

It's like the conquest of the Canaanites. Yeah. Right. And, and, and the evil that we're seeing in the world today, and it's not just Hamas, it's Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood. And, you know, go right down the list. ISIS, well, they don't exist. Don't wipe them out. But you know, the Taliban and those, those groups until that evil is destroyed, because these people actually believe that is their destiny to rule the world.

That the 12th, and I don't know the details. You probably know more about this. I know you know more about this than I do, that they're supposed to bring on the 12th Imam. There's supposed to be some kind of world conflagration or something, which is why if the Iranians ever get a nuke, they will use it. There is no doubt in my mind, because it is in their eschatology, that this is what is supposed to happen. Some global Holocaust is supposed to occur, which will bring on the 12th Imam, and then the whole world will become Muslim or Islamic.

Right. You know that that this is what they believe. And as long as that belief system exists, it's like the Nazis that thought that they were gonna, you know, that the Aryan race was supposed to rule the world. I mean, if you ever listen to read any of the stuff that that Hitler wrote, I mean, or the Japanese, you know, Imperial Japan, they believe the same thing. Which is why they, they, they tortured people and, you know, treated civilians so horribly is because they believe that they were a superior race. Well, this is a matter of a religion that believes it is a superior religion that is destined to rule the world. Yes, I know. And they can do it by force.

I've actually had one Christian. Exactly. And that's how Islam has spread, is by force. Because I don't think anybody would join that group voluntarily. Well, no, people don't join it voluntarily. No, they do. Sure they do.

They join it voluntarily. But the spread of Islam in the Middle East. It's horrible. Yeah, it's an evil religion.

A lot of people have noticed that the Middle East used to be, yeah, that the Middle East prior to 600, whatever, 38, you know, AD, that the Middle East was all Christians and Jews. That's what was there. Yeah, well, I get you. But you're just talking about what is going on. But what do we do about it? The Christians have to rise up. I think, I think, exactly. And you said it, we have to run for office, you know, get totally involved in any way that we can.

But, you know, if you think, you know, if you have a call, and I think people need to pray about this, but they need to get involved in the system. The other part of that that I find heartbreaking is that we're losing the sharp edge of Christianity here in America. I mean, it used to be the sharp edge that kept America sharp. Not that we didn't have problems, but... Well, why do you think that's the case? What's happened in Protestantism that is causing this problem, let's just say?

What is it? I think a lot of that has to do with the liberal mindset. I know you've talked a lot about women in the pulpit. My sister has a friend down in Miami, and her friend is a so called pastor.

I refuse to call her that. But, you know, it's, it's that whole notion. And you can't, you can't debate it with these people. You can point it all out, you know, I've pointed out in Scripture. But they don't care. So let's summarize it. So what's the issue then?

The issue is that the true believers... Hold on. I want to hear this. Summarize it. Let's get back to it after the break.

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. All right, let's get on with back on with Mike.

Okay, Mike, here you go. Yeah, I agree totally with you that we need to get involved in politics, we need to get involved and do what we can do, you know, in places where they allow harvesting of ballots, then we need to be involved in harvesting of ballots, we need to, you know, if we have to drive people out to the polls to vote, you know, we need to do that. But the other thing we need to do is we need to accept whatever victories we can win. And sometimes that means the whole thing about accepting the lesser of two evils. I mean, Trump, I don't know if Trump's a Christian or not a Christian, it's not up to me to judge. But Trump in 2016 didn't give any indication of being, you know, a man of God, but his administration was a whole lot friendlier towards and in the direction of what we believe than what we have now. So even though we may not, you know, the guy you're voting for may not be, you know, Mr.

Perfect. If he's the guy, you know, I think there's one more Republican vote in Washington, even though the guy may even be a rhino, then we have to we have to take that win, and then challenge him primary him, you know, push, push for those kinds of things. Because wars are not won all at once. They're won little by little by chipping away at the enemy, and breaking them down. And I think that's what we need to do. Do too often when I talk to Christians, it's a matter of, you know, it's all or nothing. Well, if that's your case, that it's going to be either all or nothing this election cycle, then it's going to be nothing.

We're going to wind up empty handed. And we cannot we cannot and we have to fight them everywhere we can take them to court. And that is one place where I think Christians really have an opportunity because these people violate Christian rights all the time and take them to court and drain them for everything we can.

Yep. Well, if you've heard my my idea that I had, which, you know, I'm nobody, but I think that there should be a national organization of conservatives, biblical, I mean, biblical too, but people who hold the Constitution, and then everybody, you know, gives $25 a month to it, or whatever it is, you belong to it. And the money will be used for lawsuits and legal defense. And so, like on the first, you know, pick one month of a year, and every month it's every year is done this way. You know, whatever month it might be September, October, whatever. And the first day of the first first Monday of that month, everybody with last name a letter to go to your local government office with signs you hold up and you stand outside.

We have people who've already got petition, everything's settled, it's all planned, takes a year to plan it out. And then they go. And on Monday, letter A, you hold up sign, we want our country back, whatever it is.

Good, quick, really nice sayings. And you have websites that you direct them to. And then they're done for the month. The next day, people with last letter B, and you go do this, and you do this for five days, you're off on the weekend, and you do it again for the next week.

And the next week, you go through the letter, the alphabet, and basically you take the whole month. And you do this kind of thing all over the United States, all over at every capital. And you do it, you know, the capital of California, for example, is in Sacramento. Well, down in LA, you just go to the mayor's office or whatever it is, or the courts, and you know, peaceful the whole bit. And when people get arrested, that money that goes in is used for their defense. And if anything bad happens, you just sue the bejeebers out of them.

Just go for it. They want to play rough, play rough. Okay, I have no problem with that. We have to play rough because this, yeah, because this is a war according to the law. And this is a war. Yeah, this is right. This is a war for the soul of the nation.

And yeah, I don't mean a fighting, you know, shoot them up war. But that's good. But I think it may it may turn into that in nine months. Because I keep thinking if Trump wins, if Trump wins, I don't think the Democrats are going to take that line down. Oh, I wouldn't the other guy.

No, they don't want to do something to steal the election, either way. And I know that they can do it different ways. So what needs to happen is we got to figure it out. And there are people who are far more competent, far more competent than I am in this regard. I'm a theologian. I'm not a political activist. I don't know this stuff. I don't know.

I don't know those people's names. But I know that if we're unified, I know that we can accomplish a great thing. I wish that there were people who would say, hey, that's a good idea.

Let's do that. You know, or once a week, once every whatever logically works. It takes a lot of work. But there are people out there who are in contact with conservatives who could donate millions of dollars and get competent people that they know about to arrange stuff like this. And they start doing something instead of sitting on our hands all the time hoping it gets better. It doesn't.

It's not going to. Well, the churches did a lot to establish the United States, and they need to do a whole lot more to help preserve it. Yes, they do. That's right.

Yeah. And they're not. The church is, in my opinion, you know, I say this, the church is not doing its job. The church is lax. So it needs to, it needs to repent. The Christian church needs to repent. And it starts with the pastors. They have to start teaching biblically.

And they're going to lose people in the congregation. So be it. You know, so be it.

I don't want that to happen, but that's what needs to happen. All right. Yeah. So, all right, man. Yeah. Okay, Matt, let's fight the good fight.

We're fighting the good fight. And I don't mean to fight anywhere. Yeah, not violence, but legally. Not advocating violence, no. That's right.

No. All right, buddy. God bless.

God bless. All right, let's get to Nadir, whom I'm supposed to talk to and haven't done because I've been so busy. Nadir, welcome on the air. How are you, Matt?

Swamped. Hello. Yeah. Yeah, I apologize, man. I apologize. Oh, no, bro, we're waiting for you. Yeah.

Yeah, I apologize. Can you commit to today sending out an email to James and confirm the date? James who? James of modern day debate. James who? Isn't that his last name? Yeah.

I need his address. I'm in contact with so many people. It's like, who's that?

Which one's that? I get people contacting me and they go, good, I'll do it. And then I just forget about it, tell us the time to do it.

And then I don't remember who they are a lot of times. So you want James, modern day debates. Yeah.

You want your email? Let's just type the word modern in your search and do it right now. That's what I'm actually doing literally right now. So, so I'm doing it right now. Hold on.

All outlook item. And, uh, yeah, true. Okay. Let's see, do it a different way. Cause it's modern day, modern day debates. We had, uh, let's just say we had a big mix up at CARM a week or two ago and it just caused all kinds of problems, all kinds.

So everything went on hold. Um, I can't find it. I'm looking, I don't see it.

I see the word debates. What's your, what's your email? It is just info at CARM.org.

Just email me. I'm going to look at it. Yeah. N-A-D-I-R.

If you just type that, you will probably get it. Yeah. Let's see.

Hey, here we go. Okay. This is your, uh, your, are you an atheist? No, I'm not. I'm Muslim, Muslim, Muslim. Okay.

Because there's a moderate debaters from an atheist who wants me to debate. So, um, Uh, no, it's doofus McGee. No, I'm kidding. Um, so yeah, I'm just looking at what we got here and, uh, just email me, just email me again. Okay.

And I apologize. I'm sending one to you right now. Right now. Please do that right now in your email. Okay.

Info at CARM.org. You should get this in like three seconds. Okay. I'm looking.

I'm looking. Look at my, uh, subject. Okay. And I need to hit refresh. Yep. It's going.

It takes an extra few because I use Outlook and I have everything filtering through Outlook. It takes an extra little bit, but, uh, so you want to debate on whether or not Jesus Christ is God in flesh or corn of the Bible. Is that right? Uh, no. So the, the topic is going to be, can Muslims, uh, disprove the divinity of Christ, prove that he's not God. And we're going to look at everything, the Bible history Bible. We're going to look at Bible versus history. We're going to look at science, everything put together.

I mean, whatever we have in means we can look at that and see if he is really God or not. Wow. Really? You want to actually try and employ science for real? I mean, everything. I mean, it's the history, science, everything. Yeah.

Well, we need something a little bit more narrow. You could say something like the science disprove the deity of Christ. Okay. That's the, or does the Quran disprove the, the Quran certainly says Jesus is not God. There's no argument there. The Quran says it, whether it's true or not, it's a different issue. Okay.

Or how about can the God of Islam. Does science make you feel uncomfortable or are you kidding, dude? You don't have no idea. I love science. I wanted to be a scientist, so I still watch stuff on quantum mechanics. I watch, I don't watch sports. I love science. I love it.

I've had physics, trigonometry. So Christianity has no fear of any kind of scientific inquiry, right? Are you kidding?

You're the one who should be afraid for the issue of science. Seriously. Hold on, buddy. Hold on. We've got a break. Hold on.

Hey, folks, we've got a break right there. Hope that you've heard me, but, uh, hey, there's, uh, there's some music. We'll be right back after these messages. Please give me a call. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt slick. Right.

I wouldn't welcome back to the show. I got a deer's email now we're already emailing back and forth and the deer is still there. Amen. You still there? Hello? Hope he didn't hang up.

No, it says he's on and supple. So give him a little bit because, uh, I want to discuss the topic. If he wants to say science disproves the idea of the deity of Christ, that wouldn't go well for him. Uh, but, uh, I love science and fly people don't know that I, I love theology, but I also love science. I really do. I took all of the math and science stuff in high school such that I was exempt from any science and math in college.

Disexempt. I took all the advanced classes and they said they were advanced classes in the high school and we had 2000 students in our high school class and the teachers invented just to do it. A physics class and they only invited maybe 25 people from the entire 2000 in and I was one of the ones that was invited and took the class and got an a in it and it was not easy.

I remember working on one problem for two days, a mathematics physics related problem for two days just on paper and solved it. But, uh, so I love, uh, I do. I love science. It's, I love the philosophy of science to what science is capable of and what it's not capable of. All right.

The deer is still there. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

I'm here. So you know, since you love science so much, maybe we could have a debate on, uh, does the Bible has scientific errors in it? And let's just say it did hypothetically. Does that prove that the Bible's false? So if there's scientific errors in it, uh, it would be very problematic. But what would disprove the Bible is that the fact was one of the miracles of Islam is that it actually corrects the scientific errors of the Bible.

So that is amazing. And if that's the case, then yeah, the Bible's gone. Well, make them prove the Quran's false. Yeah, the Quran corrects the scientific errors. No, it doesn't correct anything. It makes mistakes. See, the Quran says in Surah 42, if there's anything wrong in the Quran, it's not from Allah. Right?

The Quran says Surah 42. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, this is the problem. You have a logical problem.

Let me show you. You have a logical problem. If you can find something wrong in the Bible, I'm not saying you can scientifically. It doesn't mean the Bible's false. But if you find something wrong in the Quran scientifically, it does mean the Quran's false because the Quran says if there's any discrepancy in it, then it's not from Allah. You see the problem? You're the one that's going to be in trouble. That's fine.

The Islam in the Quran is in complete harmony with modern science. It's one of the many miracles. Okay, I got a question. Here we go. Where's a man's seed formed in a body? Be polite on the air, but you know where it's formed, right? The genitalia, right? Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, in the testes, exactly.

Right. In Surah 86, 5 through 7, it says, Let man but think from what is created. He's created from a drop, emitted, proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs. So is that where the seed comes from, between the backbone and the ribs?

Yeah, absolutely, if you'll allow me to explain. So when we say backbone and ribs, most people think, you know, the thoracic cavity, your chest area. However, science also points out that between the backbone and the ribs is also underneath the rib all the way to your tailbone. So that is also from between the backbone and the ribs. So now when you look up on the bladder, you will find a tube that goes up there called the vas deferens.

And semen actually traveled right through there. And it's right between the backbone and the ribs. In fact, it is, if you look at it, right to the left hand side is the backbone, the tailbone area, and up top, right on top of his head is the ribs, right between the backbone and the ribs. Okay. Perfect. Is the, that does not work, and I'll show you why, but is the human head between the backbone and the ribs?

No. The human head from, well, now here's the thing, if you were to ask... I'm just asking, is it between the backbone and the ribs? Is the head between the backbone and the ribs?

Well, hold on. Between the backbone, now see that mathematically, you can say that because inside math, the X and Y axis go on forever. And so you could say, okay, the X axis is in the backbone and the Y axis is in the ribs. So then the feet, I got you, I got you, I got you, I got you. Okay. So then the head is between the backbone and the ribs because you're saying the chest, the outer area of the chest is a plane, P-L-A-N-E, which is a particle.

And that the backbone is also a plane, and so anything above it and below it, or in between those two vertical planes, is between the backbone and the ribs, right? Yeah, that's how snipers actually... I'm just asking, is that...

I don't need a lot of snipers. Hold on, hold on. Focus. Focus. Hold on a second. Let me... Focus. Allow me to answer.

We're not talking about snipers. Allow me to answer for you. Is the head... Hold on a second. Let me... No, no, no. It's my show, not yours.

Is the head between the backbone and the ribs, according to that then? If you say... If you look at it mathematically, yes. It's not an issue of math. Because if X and Y go on forever, but that's beside... Allow me to speak, Matt.

Allow me to speak. But that's not the case with the vas deferens. The vas deferens is actually nestled. Right on the left side is the backbone, and on top of its head is the rib.

It's located exactly there. The deer. The deer. But if you allow me to speak, Matt... You are speaking. You know, about that sniper thing. Yeah, about the sniper.

I'm not interested in the sniper. I'm interested in only an answer. You're not going to allow me to... I am allowing you. You're not answering it. It's typically... Look, it's typical with Muslims who don't know what they're doing.

You're falling right into it. I get tired of Muslims who do this. You don't know how to answer a simple question.

You have to go on and try and dominate every conversation you're in. I'm not going to permit you to do that. I simply ask you a question, trying to set you up for a fall, because I know your answer. I know what the Muslims say about this. I know the excuses they try and make in order to get the Qur'an to fit, because Muhammad didn't know what he was doing.

He did not know. He put superstition in the Qur'an, and you guys stretch backward and forward to try and make it fit. So I'm asking you a question. So you wanted to go by planes. I took physics.

I love physics. So the plane goes up vertically and infinitely, correct, before the chest and at the backbone. Is that correct? I guess so, yeah. And it goes left and right infinitely as well, right? By planes. Two, three points to find a plane. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right? They go on infinitely. So then 100 feet to my right is a tree, which happens to be between the two planes. Is the tree between my backbone and my ribs, according to your logic?

I'm having a hard time visualizing it. Yes, because you're not thinking correctly. You don't know the issue of physics.

It's not an issue of mathematics, unless you want to use math to describe the physics. So is the human head between the backbone and the ribs? The actual, okay, so let's take math out of it and let's just say where the backbone ends, it ends at the neck. So in that case, no. Okay, so no. Are the feet between the backbone and the ribs? Now the feet is a different story, because like I told you, if you allow me to give a sniper example... Look, I'm not interested in the sniper thing.

I'm only interested in focusing on the anatomy. Yes. Okay. Yes, you will have to say yes to that.

The feet, everything is between the backbone and the ribs. Yes, because if you wanted to... Okay, hold on. You said yes. You said yes.

That's the answer. But you said the head is not between the backbone and the ribs, but the feet are. How do you reconcile that problem? I would say if you look at the actual feet, it is right between the backbones and the ribs, because... Well, actually, okay, going back to the example what you were saying, like if I were to, let's say we just cut off, and we don't allow X and Y to go on forever, if we were to look at it from that perspective, then yes. So I guess from that perspective, sure.

But if we allow X and Y to go on forever, then it is between. But if you look at the vas deferens, if you look at a picture of it, it is nestled right between the backbone and the ribs. I think maybe you need to pull up a picture of it. I have a picture right now in front of me on the screen. Anatomy of male pelvic area.

I have a picture, too. It's right between the backbone and the ribs. No, it's not. The ribs are up high. And the vas deferens is not... Well, it is between. It's on top of... Okay, okay.

That is between. Nadir, Nadir, Nadir, you're convincing me not to debate you because you're incompetent. You're incompetent. Okay, you're insulting me now.

Yes, I am. You're incompetent, okay? You don't like it, all right? You're incompetent. You can't think critically, and you don't know how to answer questions directly and simply. And you want me to be engaged with a debate with you. You don't know what you're doing. You don't know the logic. And I'm looking at...

I've done this before with Muslims. I'm looking at just exactly where everything is. It's not between the ribs and the backbone.

If you want to say that the plane, three points to find a plane is where the ribs are, then everything above and below it infinitely is between the backbone and the ribs. You can't say that. That's not what the Qur'an was teaching. It's not what Muhammad was teaching. He wasn't talking about physics and mathematical dimensionality and three points to finding a plane being infinitely up, down, left, and right.

He wasn't doing that. You guys do this because your prophet, your false prophet, got it wrong. I just proved Islam is false. I proved it. Okay. I think you know how we can resolve this is we can maybe share our desktops, let's look at the actual picture, and I think once you get a picture between the both of us, and then we can resolve this, Matt, and we'll see does it reside between the backbone and the ribs if that's okay with you.

I tell you what. Just so you know, I actually had a vasectomy. I had to because my wife's health was deteriorating.

The neck pregnancy, the doctor said, might have killed her. So I had to get taken care of, and I did. And they didn't go into my chest area. It wasn't between the backbone and the ribs.

Is the heart between the backbone and the ribs? I have a meeting at 7 o'clock. I have a meeting at 7 o'clock, so I have to take off in like a minute here. But I tell you what. You're not impressing me.

If we could continue this, maybe we could share our desktops, look at a screen, and we could look at a picture. Okay. He's not impressing me. So a lot of times, folks, Muslims want to debate me, and this is what they do. They can't think critically. They're completely irrational. They don't know how to be logical. Let me explain something.

Oh, we're almost out of time. A plane is defined by three points in space, and it's vertical. And if you want to say that the testes are between the chest, the outer edge of the chest and the back edge of the back, and that it's like two plates, two doors that are on your front and your back. Those are flat surfaces.

They go up 1,000 feet, down 1,000 feet, left and right. And everything between those planes then is between the backbone and the ribs. If that's the case, then he's got a point. But is that what's being spoken about? Of course not, because in the clouds above us and the dirt below us is between the backbone and the ribs. That's not what he's talking about. It doesn't make any sense to say that. So it can't be that it's a plane geometry that he's talking about.

It has to be a location anatomically between the backbone and the ribs, and the ribs are in the upper area of the chest. That's where it is, and the testes are not. It's just flat out wrong. The Quran got it wrong, among other things. It's just embarrassingly bad for Muslims.

But you can see the irrationality that they go through to try and make things make sense. In Alberta, we don't have time for you. Sorry, buddy.

Alberta from Georgia. And another thing, folks, I can show other problems in the Quran. I've debated Muslims so many times, and he's typical of what they do. They don't think critically. Well, only one.

Jake Breckentelle. He thinks critically. He's the only Muslim I've ever met who can actually think critically, that I've met.

I'm not saying others can't. All right, folks. There you go. May the Lord bless you. I hope you guys had a good time listening.

Maybe it's a little bit too obstreperous, but that's just how it goes. And I hope you have a good weekend. By God's grace, we'll be back on the air on Monday. And Lord willing, we'll talk to you then. We'll see you. God bless, bye.