Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live. Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hello, everybody.

Welcome. Sorry, I just got distracted right when I'm supposed to talk. I read what Don's asking in the chat for the call, and so it made me laugh out loud. So anyway, hey, sorry about that. But yesterday, I didn't do live radio because I had to take someone to the airport.

A lot of snow, a lot of traffic, and he didn't make it in time. So anyway, here we go. And if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276.

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And today is the 18th of January, so January 18th, 2024. For the podcasters. All right. I hope you guys are doing great out there. Up here in the northwest, it's been interesting. And let me tell you a story here, and then we'll get to the caller. I have a magic snowblower, and I got it years ago. And it was a good one. And as soon as I got it years ago, the snow stopped.

You know, it's just, of course, you know what's going to happen. So I had this thing for like three years. And each winter was not even enough snow to use it, you know, just whatever. So then my wife and I were supposed to move for medical stuff down to Arizona, and that didn't work out. So I sold the snowblower, okay. And well, the snow's gradually been getting deeper and deeper here in the Idaho area.

And we had a lot of snow. So the lady who bought it wanted to just give it back to me. She goes, look, I can't use it. And I said, well, buy it back. She goes, no, no, no, I just want to give it back. I said, no, I'll buy it.

She goes, no. So long story short, went and got it and brought it back yesterday. And now the snow stopped. So it's a magic snowblower.

And it apparently only works when I own it. And if I own it, and then it's snow. So if you don't want snow in your area, just have a private jet come out, pick up me and the snowblower. We'll just be there. That's all we got to do.

And the snow will stop. This is how it works. All right. That was a name. Let's get to Dawn from Spokane. Dawn, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, Matt. So with the upcoming elections, I was wondering if we're obligated Christians to vote. They're both imbeciles. Yeah, that's what made me laugh.

I read that. Christians vote for a president when both candidates are imbeciles. It just cracked me up. Honestly, because I don't feel good with voting for any of them right now. So I'm just like, ew.

I get you. And what I do is I say, who's the worst? Get rid of that one.

And then just work up the chain. And whoever's left, that's who I'm going to vote for. And I know that Trump, he's got issues. Oh man, he's got issues. But Biden is destroying our country. The inflation is huge.

Debt is increased. We're being invaded at the southern border. He's depleted, pretty much closely depleted our energy reserves, selling them overseas. I mean, it's just, he is exactly what you'd want if you want a communist or socialist in to destroy a country. He's, you know, he's helping it out. At least Trump as a businessman knows how to fix things.

Okay. And he doesn't act very presidential, that's for sure. But, uh, he's morally, like, I think he's morally corrupt. That's why I'm like, but Biden, I, Matt, he's, he's done some shady stuff lately. And he's like coming off like he's God.

Oh yeah. Like the stuff on his, yeah, it's awful. And I'm like, if you're a Christian, where's your fruit? And don't be using the Christian card.

If you're not a Christian, just, you know, just, just tell us what your whole stuff is, but don't throw in a Christian card through all that crap and then say, you're the Messiah that everybody's looking for to save the country. It's just bizarre. But anyway, that's, I mean, and then, then Biden can't even tie his own shoes. I don't even know how he's running the, I don't even think he's running. Honestly.

I think that he's in a corner babbling while someone's picking up the stick for him and then just waving it, you know, and he's just like barking. I don't know what he's doing because it's not something that's working for our country. But anyway, I didn't know. So, so just pick the least of the evils.

And what if we, here's the other question to that. I did that when Trump ran the sex word. Oh, I say the word crap every now and then. But again, not really supposed to, but it's kind of a gray area, but go ahead.

Okay. So I voted for him and I know no, hardly anybody voted for Biden. I mean, he just, he was wearing diapers, honestly.

He was such a baby. And then all of a sudden he, he won so many votes that we didn't even have, we had more votes altogether total than we had people in the U S. So if I know that they're going to cheat, is that another thing that we need to do is why vote? We don't cheat and set it up.

No, no, no, no, no. That's what they want. That's what they want. It's so corrupted that you don't vote. So we needed to vote.

Okay. And we need to get out there and do that. But, uh, you, I would look at the, the movie, uh, 2000 mules, you need to look at that and it's, it's really important, but there's a lot of 2000 mules and, uh, let's just say there's a lot of documentation that the left, the liar cheaters that they are, uh, they stuffed ballot boxes. They did all kinds of really bad stuff to try and win elections.

Let me tell you something here. I won't mention the name, but I, I, I knew a guy, um, we haven't talked in a few years. He ran, he's well known in politics, uh, not like the, like, not at the level of Biden or something like that, but he, he, uh, he knows a lot of stuff. And, um, we sat in a car one day talking how he ran for an office Senator or was a Congressman. I think it was Missouri.

One of those States in that area, I'm gonna be generic, generic on purpose. And he was winning and it was close call. And what the left did was constantly throw mud at him. He's a, you know, he's a racist, he's a dulcimer, he's whatever it was, all the things that were just, and he spent his time just, uh, telling the truth.

No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. And so the left, they use lies and deception to get power. And whenever you have anybody like that, you cannot trust them. So he was winning anyway. And the decisive County that, uh, where the votes are coming in, all of a sudden, all of the voting machines stopped working the day before the election, they all just stopped working in one particular area. And lo and behold, there was a company ready to replace them, all the voting machines and the company was run by the people on the left. And then all of a sudden in that County, he lost and then therefore lost the election. This is it's corruption. Yeah. Some very similar happened in our state. And that's why I'm like, what is the point? We have actually, I live in Washington and the side that I live on is more conservative than the West side.

Okay. And they almost, we kind of call it, we're, uh, the new Idaho because we're so more in lined with your politics. But when it comes to voting, it's interesting what keeps happening and how they cheat.

I know they're cheating every year. I can see it, especially talking with people who feel the same on the West side. I'm like, how is it that you guys keep voting this idiot in? And they're like, Oh, we're not, they're power, hungry, liars, and cheaters. And if we don't stop them, they're going to continue and they're going to destroy this country and they need to be stopped and good men and women need to stand up and do what's necessary to stop them. And then, by the way, that's, that's something that we worked out, but, uh, Oregon, there's a movement in Oregon to, to, uh, leave Oregon and move into Idaho and call it greater Idaho. And I wouldn't be surprised if Washington wants to do the same thing, but the liberal wacko, they're moving into Idaho here. And then they have leftists trying to run for offices and get woke crap put into a school for the elementary stuff. And people are upset about it here.

As far as I'm concerned, there needs to be, uh, penal colonies that they send these morons to. Yeah. I agree.

I agree. So how do we get that started? I mean, I'm up for it.

What do we do? I can't say what I know, but I know that there are people who are ready. Okay. Oh, I got you.

Okay. People who are ready, we're fed up and, uh, you know, look at our country where it's at. And I'll tell you this, if we don't do something, our country is going to fall and it's going to fail. The trillions of dollars in debt, our comp, our country's bankrupt and they keep printing money just to, to expand and buy votes. And then they flood the, the, uh, the South with, uh, the, all over the world that they're going to vote socialist.

And this is going to destroy our country. They have woke idiocy. I watched a video yesterday of some woman in a, uh, in a school, just doing woke crap. And she took the American flag, put upside down and tossed it, you know, all this stuff.

This is in American schools. These people need to be gotten rid of. I mean, I'm telling you, don't kill them or anything.

I mean, saying they need to be fired, you know, go do something else, go clean toilet someplace, you know, learn some humility and some gratitude, uh, but you know, it's just, it's bad and we're going to lose this country. So that's why I say to people, you need to prep, you need to prep up. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So I need to find those people that are ready to prep because I'm there.

Yeah. There's a lot. I don't know what I can. Well, just, just don't worry about it, but, uh, Canada is, uh, going south also. Uh, so more and more, uh, Canadians are really fed up with Canada and the socialist policies and the leftist stuff. They're not even allowed to, to disagree with the policies. Otherwise you have your, your bank accounts confiscated or frozen or various things. Donations are frozen and confiscated. It's becoming a totalitarian system.

And I've, I've heard more and more that Canadians want to leave and they say the medical system up there is horrible, horrible, and they're tired. So socialism is on the rise and it's, it's moving and it socialism, you know, the Nazi party, which socialists, the communist party is an advanced form of socialism now. And then you really want to get scared, go, go to YouTube and watch what Gen Z, the new West gen, and you ask them, people, uh, how many States are in America?

They don't know, you know, what's three times three times three, they can't do it. Yeah. And you have to destroy our country by, by dumbing down the education system, having moral relativism in it, flood the airways with pornography, lying, moral relativism. And I watch that, I watch that, I watch that, I watch that, I watch that, I watch that, I watch pornography, lying, moral relativism, and I watch more and more situations where lying is okay, as long as it's for a good purpose and then that justifies anything. And then, yeah, trust me, I'm with you. Okay. I get mad about it.

I don't watch news anymore because no pressure, you just can't take it. I see. That's where I'm at. I just don't do stupid well. I don't, and I try to talk to some of these leftist and I'm like, what, okay. Okay. Can we look at facts right now?

Especially with the, okay. I'm not going to say the C word, which is, um, kind of like a cold, but not, when I've talked to them about that and the mandates, um, they can't even critically think what, do you know your name? I want to ask it. Do you know how to spell your name?

Cause this is weird to me. I don't, I do not understand how you cannot critically think. Um, I don't get it, but the COVID stuff. I did a lot of research. I wrote, uh, I don't know, 20 articles dealing with COVID and I did a lot of analysis a lot. Did you know that cloth masks are only 3% effective and those surgical masks are 50% effective on the average.

And if you touch it on the outside, it's contaminated. I always used to go to the scene. I can tell people how to go to the CDC and run reports from the CDC on effectiveness of vaccines and death rates related and I get banned for it off of YouTube. Well, you're probably gonna get banned on YouTube now cause you just said the word. So yeah, well, we're already banned right now for three weeks.

That's right. But Hey, we'll be able to go. There's a break. I'm with you. Okay.

God bless. Talk to you later. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

Here's Matt slick. All right. Wait, welcome back to the show. That's a lively thing is people are getting upset. Aren't they? Yep.

All right. Let's get on the air with Chris from Ohio. Chris, welcome. We're on the air, buddy. Hey, Matt.

Paper ballot. That's what we need. Oh yeah. They'll find some way to, you don't trust those. Hey brother, don't be so cynical. Come on. Well, the Bible, you know, the good men do nothing.

Then the wicked prosper. Yeah. Well I agree, but that's not why I called, but uh, I think it was over, I think it was over the summer. Um, I haven't, I haven't listened in on you for quite a while, but you mentioned something about, uh, I think you were working on a car or something. You knew this tool or whatever it was and that disappeared. So you attribute it to maybe other events to a fallen angel or demon just toying with you. When I had an experience just a couple of days ago in this scarf that I just love this scarf and I went out of town for an appointment.

So the scar was with me and then it just disappeared. And I just thought about you and I thought about just, you know, it's a, it's a, uh, possibility, but I'm not sure one thing that bothers me about this theory is just a spiritual being grabbing a physical item and taking it to another dimension, which I think is what we're talking about. We'll get this to the bigger issue of the dimension that they sure it is. Yeah. No. I mean, were you pretty adamant about that? I mean, I wasn't critical.

What you said. No, I was joking. I was just joking around. Oh, I still remember it. It was a, oh, you sounded quite serious. And well it depends on what context, but, uh, so yeah, I remember it was this, I still remember to this day, you know, I put a sock in a certain place and, and, uh, it just disappeared and was the weirdest thing.

And I, you know, I thought, oh man, you know, Hey, Star Trek episode should have where they go in a different dimension and then, Hey, there's my old sock, you know, there's that wrench I lost that kind of thing. So, you know, no big deal. Well, the deeper question here is what I want to bring up is the other dimension or dimensions that the spiritual world is in. And that that's not really discussed much.

You can find some things on YouTube and so forth. I just want your opinion on that. Yeah. I don't know what to call it. It's just a spiritual realm.

They exist. I don't know if it's under dimension or if that's the right term, but, uh, there's a spiritual realm and, uh, demonic forces, angelic forces are there. Um, and, uh, we can enter it upon our death and I don't know how it's all going to work, but you know, it's real. Well, I think that would be another, I think that would be another dimension. Cause I, if it may be, it depends on what you mean.

It depends what you mean by dimension, how you define it. Well, I can't give you a scientific, this, I can't give you this scientific, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Um, explanation.

Uh, we can't give you five of them. I'm fishing for this term and it's going to blank, but, uh, if they are around us, but we can't sense them or see them unless they want us to sense or see them, that, that, that must be a different dimension. Here's an example, Matt, think about UFOs.

I don't know. I got you. I'm just saying, I don't use the word dimension because we haven't defined it yet. And how do we know what a dimension is?

So we know there's three dimensions we live in. Yeah. So that's why I just say they're in a spiritual realm and I just leave it at that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, but, but as we go, go in and out of the spiritual realm, but that's, you know, these UFOs, they show up.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're mixing different things up here. When we talk about demons and angels, that's different than UFOs. UFOs are physical. They're actual physical.

I've studied them a great deal. They have physical aspects, characteristics. They can be detected. They leave impressions, physical marks.

They can be photographed. They, uh, it can be detected on radar. Now just because they disappear, it doesn't mean they're going, I'm just saying logically, just because they disappear doesn't mean they're in another dimension.

It could just be they have a technology that makes them invisible to certain light frequencies and or radar and things like that. So I'm just saying, we just don't know as far as that goes. Okay. But you don't think them, you don't think the majority of UFOs that do, well, we would consider physically impossible acts. You don't think that's all angel demonic oriented? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You let me finish it. You don't understand what I'm saying. I believe they're demonic. I believe they're, they're, they're probably, have something to do with Nephilim, but they can do these things.

Not because they're going in and out of dimensions that they may or may not, but because they know laws of physics that we just don't know yet. That's all I'm saying. I totally agree with you.

I totally agree. Yeah. I've heard that in my research that as someone released some information is that you take two plates of metal, and I forgot what they didn't mention, what kind of plates they are, what metal it was. And you put them a certain number of angstroms apart.

This is super high, high engineering requirements. An angstrom is a distance between an electron and a nucleus. And you put it a certain distance apart and then you shoot photons into them between the crack and they bounce and it causes a field. And in the field, apparently there's a momentum loss and it gets into some complicated stuff. And I heard some of the researchers saying in UFOs and stuff like this, saying this is one of the things they had encountered at a certain facility, blah, blah, blah. So I'm saying, well, if it's true, I'm saying it is, but if it's true and it just causes a field around that, that diffuses momentum, well then, okay, whatever. I mean, okay.

I mean, come on, think about it. We've got lasers. We've got stuff that can, you know, it goes into orbit. We have a radar, we have sonar, we have, you know, and Nikola Tesla did stuff that you're still trying to figure out.

So I don't know if it's dementia, things are going into, maybe it is. I don't know. I'm just saying there could be some things on the physics that we just don't know, or they know at Area 51 or whatever, you know, who knows?

And it's just normal physics to them and weird stuff to us. I don't know. So okay. I just, I wasn't sure. Oh yeah.

Yes. I miss art. I used to, I worked a third shift job years ago and he was so fun to listen to. It was entertaining. It was fun stuff.

But yeah, so ridiculous was fun. Then you would, you, you would, you would assume or you, your belief is that nephilim or fallen angels can't produce something physical. The, in the, okay. In Genesis chapter six.

Okay. The nephilim were the fallen angels that had relations with women and produced offspring. That was the fallen angels did that. This is what the Jews taught. That's what the Christians always taught.

Okay. And in Genesis six, nine, it says that Noah was perfect in all his generation. So his ancestry was not corrupted. So God, it looks like what he did was he destroyed the earth with all the corrupt half breeds. And then some theory, I'm just giving you theories. So one of the, the theories is those half breeds released from their bodies at death are demons and the rest of the, the realm are fallen angels and the levels of angels and demons are those that want to possess bodies because it came out of bodies. It's just some of the theory. Okay.

Yeah. And so after the flood, the nephilim continued because they're just more nephilim. And then when you go to, to Daniel chapter two, verse 43 in the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, it talks about, uh, they will combine with one another in the seat of men, that they can't be people.

This happens at the return of Christ. So there's a lot of conjecture, a lot of fun stuff to talk about, but we don't know. Okay. There's a break.

We've got to go buddy. Yeah. I'm not familiar with everything you just said. Okay. Well, good. All right. Okay. We'll talk later, man. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276 here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show where we had somebody who's going to call and we just lost them during the break.

That's okay. If you want to give me a call, all you ought to do is dial 877-207-2276. Some interesting calls today. So we had to go kind of quickly on the last one before the break.

So, uh, if you want to give me a call, all you gotta do is dial 877-207-2276. Now let me go over what I was saying more slowly. Okay. And this is an oddity of things in scriptures. I'm not saying that the Bible is wrong or anything.

It's just, look at this. This is really interesting because the, the Jews and the Christians always taught that the, the Nephilim were the offspring between fallen angels and women. People say, well, how's that possible?

I don't know how it's possible. This is what the position was. And it was about the fifth century, fifth or sixth century that the Christian church was being ridiculed for this position. So it adopted or introduced the Seth theory, Sethite theory. We'll get into that. And so, uh, it looks like the flood was there to destroy these half breeds, which were taking over and a lot of sexual perversion.

A lot of things that were going on was really bad. And so this is one of the theories. And then the, uh, the, the half breeds that died are the demons. That's one of the theories goes and that they are the ones who want to re-inhabit human bodies. And so that's why we see the new Testament demons.

They want to be in things. This is just all conjecture, but just telling you that. And so Jesus said, as it was in days of Noah, so shall it be again at this day, the son, the coming of the son of man, they were eating, they were drinking. That was the wicked who were eating and drinking as the wicked who were taken and sort of taken to a place of destruction.

All right, so there you go. So I was talking about Daniel chapter two, which is really interesting because in Daniel two is the, the prophecy of the vision that Nebuchadnezzar had, where he had the, the statute that was made of four things of gold at the top and then, uh, silver and then, uh, the legs were like bronze. And then the feet were clay mixed with iron, the clay mixed with iron and different theologians have said different things about different time periods and empires that were coming. But it looks like it's the rebuilt Roman temple, a Roman empire, which is going to be strong, but also have weakness in it.

And some think it might be Europe, you know, the thing in Europe, who knows? So I'm just giving you a conjunction. But what's interesting is that in that time is when it says they will combine with one another in the seat of men and linguistically that they can't be men, the seat of men, they will combine with one another in the seat of men.

So they have to be different. So one of the theories is that, um, is that, uh, it'll be like it was back then with the Nephilim and I have breeds and stuff like that going on again. It's one of the theories. And what's interesting, a lot of people don't know this about UFOs. I'm a sci-fi nut.

I've even written a sci-fi novel called the time trap called time traffic. I love, love sci-fi. And so, um, so the, one of the things about the aliens is well said several things is that they're physical. Uh, not every one of them is, we can't verify every one of them, but there's plenty of instances where there's physical marks left on ground on trees, um, tops of trees, open fields. There's physical stuff. People have physically touched them. There's reports of that. They've been seen by many witnesses simultaneously.

Photographs have been taken. Uh, they've had radar detections and things like this. Well, uh, if you go to k house.org, uh, oh man, k house.org, Chuck Missler site. He passed away a few years ago, but, uh, he did a lot of research in this and apparently, and there's some books written on this from a Christian perspective with documentation. Apparently the aliens are teaching theology. The theology is everybody is divine reincarnation is true.

Jesus is not the only way. And these aliens are also interested in, uh, let's just say painful experiments on genitalia. And so, uh, there's a lot of stuff going on and Christians don't get abducted. So there's some stuff like this.

It makes you wonder and I'm just repeating some of this stuff out there and uh, yes. And I do say Marsha stay with Michael Heiser. That's right. In the chat room. Let's get to Logan from North Carolina. Logan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how are you doing? Doing all right, man. Just a throw on a lot of theories out there.

It's for entertainment value. So what do you got, man? Yeah. Yeah. So my question was about, uh, baptism.

Uh, I noticed you, you said the other day on your show, um, I just kind of want to get your input. You said it's not necessary for salvation. Correct. It is not necessary for salvation, but you should get baptized. Okay. Yeah. Cause I was just wondering like in, uh, Acts chapter two, um, when they were talking to Peter about, uh, they said like, what shall we do to be saved? Um, and I think in two, three, eight, uh, they say like repent and be baptized. So that was just kind of my like inquiry about that.

Yes, I can talk about it. And what you did without knowing it is, uh, is misquoted what came before it, which is typical. I'm not, we're not getting on you and that's it. It's pretty typical people will just insert something in there. You said, what's, what must, what should we, what shall we do to get saved? But it doesn't say to get saved. It just doesn't say that. And a lot of people when they're talking about Acts two 38, just say that's what it means. And they'll people just habitually quote it that way.

So what happened was, here's the context I'll show it to you. So you know that the people weren't were, uh, speaking in tongues. They're glorifying God and things like that. Well, if you go to action or one verse five, it says for John baptized with water, but usually baptized with the Holy Spirit, not many days from now. That's what Jesus said in Acts one, five baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is poured. That's always how the Holy Spirit comes as prophesied is coming as a pouring upon us in the, in the arrival sense of the new Testament. And so then in Acts chapter two, they had a violent rushing wind, the sound, you know, tongues of fire that were filled with the Holy Spirit began to speak with tongues and they were hearing people speaking their own languages and stuff like that. And then Peter says, this is what was spoken of through Joel, you know, and Joel, he talked about this in Joel two 28 to 32. He says the last days, God will pour forth his spirit on all mankind. I'll pour forth your spirit on all. He says, your men men will see visions. They'll dream dreams.

Okay. And that's what's going on. And then Peter says, look, you guys delivered him over to destruction, to Jesus, stuff like that. And he gives a sermon to them and they're upset about this.

And then now we can kind of slow down a little bit. He says in verse 30, and so he was a prophet and knew that God has sworn to him with an oath. See one of his descendants on the throne, talking about David. He looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades nor did his flesh suffer decay. This Jesus, uh, raised up, uh, this God, uh, this Jesus God raised up.

All right. And then he says in verse 33, having received the promise of the Holy spirit, that is the movement of the Holy spirit of them coming of him coming upon people. And then in verse 36, Peter says, let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made them both Lord and Christ. Now, when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said, well, what do we do? He didn't say, they didn't say, what do we do to get saved?

He said, what do you do? Peter said, repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy spirit.

This is not a salvation formula because faith is not mentioned in here. It's to receive the gift of the Holy spirit. What is that gift in the context is the charismatic movement. That's what's going on to the gift.

Now, in case you're not familiar with that, or you're not so sure I'll continue on, because there's something really interesting. He says, he says, repent each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins. It doesn't mean you obtain forgiveness of sins that way, because they were baptized for, or they were baptized in John's baptism of baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. But they didn't have the gift of the Holy spirit. Forgiveness of sins, but they didn't get forgiveness of sins by John, the Baptist baptism.

It was in order to demonstrate a relationship too. That's what's going on. So we do a study baptized for, or do this for you do a study, which I have, you'll see that it can't be the means of salvation because that's by faith. So it says here you get baptized and you will then receive the gift of the Holy spirit.

That's what's going on, right? Well, when you go to Acts 10 44, check this out. The Holy spirit, well, while Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message, just like in Acts two, all the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed because the gift of the Holy spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also for they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy spirit, just as we have. So in Acts two 38, they received the Holy spirit after baptism in Acts 10 44 through 48, they received the Holy spirit before baptism and the con the reason they know they had the baptism of the spirit, if they're going to speaking in tongues and glorifying God. So Acts two 38 is not about being saved, being baptized for salvation. It's about the order of what needs to be done in that context when they ask them in order to receive the gift of the Holy spirit. But in Acts 10, it's reversed.

It's not a formula in Acts two 38. Hold on, buddy. We've got to get a break coming up that you can comment on that. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

Here's Matt slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. All right, Logan. I know I went through that kind of quickly, but I hope that helps.

Are you still there? Yes, sir. Yeah. I really appreciate your clarification on that. Um, do you know if you have that written down anywhere that you're going to be able to get the word out?

I'm not going to be able to get the word out, but I kind of want to like, just read, uh, kind of what you said, but if you like, have any type of like source, like information on that. Yes. If you go to my website, karm.org, C a R M dot O R G. I have a whole section on baptism and I go through a lot of these verses and layer a lot of this stuff out. Okay.

So you can just go there. And if it's not enough, uh, you can email us at karm dot O R G dot O R G dot O R G dot O R G dot O R G dot O R G, and I can paste some notes of stuff I've got. Uh, I have a file on baptism as well, and act two 38 and first Peter three 21 act 22 16, you know, uh, axed, uh, let's see, Romans six four through six uh, Galatians three, 27 that they all use to, to try and say baptism is what's necessary for salvation.

Let me, let me show you something really fast. The Bible says we're justified by faith, Romans 5-1. And justification is being credited with righteousness. That's Romans 4-3. Alright, so, God grants that we have faith, Philippians 1-29. And the faith is in Christ, John 6-29. So, if we're justified by faith, the faith that God grants to us, that's in Christ, then the question is, is the faith that God grants us sufficient in and of itself to justify us, since the Bible says we're justified by faith?

Yeah. Well then, are we justified by faith when we have faith? Well, yeah, otherwise we're not justified by faith. Well, what then is baptism for? God works covenantally. A covenant is a pact or an agreement between two or more parties. My wife and I have a covenant promised in our marriage, and we give our vows.

And we each wear the covenant sign, a wedding ring. God works covenantally. The eternal covenant and the manifestation of that is ultimately in the communion and supper. But there's the Abrahamic covenant, the sign of circumcision. And the Davidic covenant, which is prophetic also in the communion and supper. And the Noahic covenant, which the sign is the rainbow, et cetera. All right, now, it says in, I'm going to show you something here. It says in Romans 4, 7, or is it 4? Oh, I'm not going to remember it. It says it's a sign and a seal. Now I've got to find out where it is.

It's 11. And he received, Romans 4, 11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of faith. So Abraham received the sign of circumcision, which is a seal of the righteousness of faith, which he had while not circumcised. So he already had the faith, and the circumcision was a seal of what he already had. That's what it says in Romans 4, 11.

Now we go to Colossians 2, 11. And in him you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with him through faith in the working of God. So it looks like Paul is relating circumcision with baptism.

And since circumcision was the shedding of blood with the male, which ultimately points to the headship of Christ as his sacrifice, now that that has been fulfilled, there's no more necessity of the blood shed element necessary. Now we have a different sign of the continued covenant, which is now baptism. So the baptism is a covenant sign equivalent of the seal that you have of faith already there, normally speaking. Okay? That's what baptism is so public for.

So if you don't understand covenant theology, you'll make the mistake of thinking, oh, you've got to get baptized to be saved. Okay? All right? Yes. So you're saying it's an outward expression of faith, basically? It's faith in Jesus that saves us?

Oh, yeah. It's faith that saves us, absolutely. And if God grants us that faith, Philippians 1, 29, to you it has been granted to believe.

All right? But now we could take this baptism thing and say we wouldn't be consistent covenantally. We could say, well, then does it apply to infants as circumcision did because it's not the thing that saves, it's a sign of the covenant.

And then the question comes in there, how far do we go with that? And that's just more discussion. But this is what theology does. It leads you down different paths. And most pastors now are not teaching very deeply, sorry, but they're not. And they don't know these paths.

They don't know this stuff. And then we have a lot of cultists out there that have to say, well, you've got to be baptized to be saved. You can't be baptized. If you're not saved, excuse me, if you're not baptized, you can't go to heaven. It's like, what? So you're saying faith in Christ isn't enough? You're going to do something in a ceremony to get saved? Are you kidding me?

Then they go on and on. Okay? All right? I got you.

I really appreciate your insight on this matter. All right, man. Well, praise God. Just remember, your faith. You definitely know what it's talking about. Oh, I think I do.

But it's your faith in Jesus that makes you right, not your faith in a ceremony. Okay? I got you. I really appreciate it, man. All right, buddy. God bless.

Study and call me back. Have a good night. You too.

All right. Let's get to Sarah from Kansas City, and I have been there. Hey. Welcome, Sarah. You're on the air. Hi.

You know, this is really interesting that you're talking about faith in Jesus because I'm kind of riding the coattails here with my question. Sure. Thank you so much for having me on. I've been listening to your show for years. I recently, we have been going to a King James only church. Not good.

Or about. You know, it's very interesting. I won't go into the story about how we got there, but they're a really great church overall. Doctrine, I think, is more or less sound.

The only objection, of course, I have is the King James only as a translation because I truly fear that at some point this insistence on the exact language will lead to false doctrine. And I have found that I believe in an example of that, and I just want to know kind of what your thoughts are. So one of the teachers there had recently taught about Romans 3.22. Like you were just saying to the previous caller, faith in Christ. And I completely agree with you. We have to have faith, and it has to be in Christ.

Romans 3.22 in the Authorized King James states, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe. That's, sorry, I have the wrong translation. My preferred is the 1995 New American Standard. That's the perfect one. Oh, you're impressive.

That's the one I use. Oh, you're awesome. Go ahead. I love it.

It is fantastic. It is. The King James guy in front of me says, even the righteousness of God, which is by faith of Christ Jesus unto all and upon all, upon them that believe. Uh-huh. Okay, so here's their distinction, and this one kind of worries me.

So the teaching was from this teacher, Dr. Alan Shelby. He stated the faith of Jesus, prepositional phrase, with the object preposition Jesus being, Jesus is the one that has the faith that saves us. Uh-huh. The faith of Jesus himself.

Yes. It's not. And you know you have New American Standard that says faith in Jesus Christ. So we have faith in Jesus, the authorized King James for the faith of Jesus, and he was very interested that Jesus himself has the faith, and it is the faith of Jesus that saves us. It is not our faith that saves us. We aren't saved by faith. It is Jesus' faith that saves us.

Okay, so here we go. I'll look at the Greek, and I already have, and I've got a comment for you, but if it's the faith of Jesus, then we have to ask him, are you having faith? Because I know what he means, and there's a sense in which what he's saying is correct, but you have to ask him, are you actually doing the believing? If he says no, then he's teaching a false doctrine. If he says yes, okay.

That's what I was concerned about. Well, that's what you've got to ask. No. Ask him. Well, the other thing is, does Jesus have faith?

Yes. Like if Hebrews 11 and 1, faith is the evidence of things unseen and the things we hope for. I'm messing up my terms here, but you get the idea. So that would suggest that there's something that Jesus hopes for and something that he hasn't seen.

And besides the day of the Lord, I would suggest that Jesus is in fact the object of faith and doesn't need faith himself, but, you know, it's a tricky place. Well, let me jump in. Let me jump in. Okay, go on. There's doctrines. You're touching on different doctrines as you're walking down the hall. I'm like, whoa, that door. You open this door over here, left to right. So Jesus has two.

That's okay. Jesus has two distinct natures, a divine nature and a human nature, and the attributes of both natures are ascribed to this single person. So Jesus is one person.

He's made under the law, Galatians 4.4, for a little while more than the angels, Hebrews 2.9. So in this state, he had to have someone he would call God. He'd pray to God. And as a man, he would have faith in God. That's not a problem. And to say, well, because he knows everything, he wouldn't have faith, well, no, because he trusted in the Father's will that he would do. That's an act of faith.

So it's not a problem there. So now, when it says, I'll go to the Greek here, okay? So when it says this, and the N.E.S.B. and the King James both say, pestuos jesu Christu, and that's the genitive, jesu Christu, of Jesus. So pestuos is the nominative, I believe it is.

No, it's genitive, sorry. So it's saved, of faith, of Jesus, of Christ, is kind of literally what's going on there in the Greek. So when it says this in the N.E.S.B., which is fine, it's saying the righteous of God, of faith, of Jesus, of Christ, for all who believe. That's what literally it's saying in the Greek.

Now, what do you do with it? Well, you translate it the way they do. And let me go on this quickly to see Romans. I have a great Bible program, great stuff. And so the E.S.V. says faith in Christ. King James, which is by faith of Jesus. And the New King James says through faith in Jesus Christ, E.S.V.

in as is the L.E.B., N.I.V., C.S.B., etc. So let's work with it two ways. By the way, King James only has got a lot of problems with it. They mess up Romans 5.18, Titus 2.13. But as long as they know these things and they get around them and explain them, that's okay. We're almost out of time.

I'm trying to go quickly. Also, generally what happens is with the King James only, they become legalistic. And I'm not saying they will, but a lot of times, well, we have the King James and so we know the truth, blah, blah, blah. And it goes on like this. And you'll see more and more of a division probably among this.

And then you ask them so many things to talk about. Well, which King James are you using? Are you using the original? Because they're not. That's a whole other thing. Go on the web and look up, read the original King James, and you'll have difficulty reading it. They're not using the original. So they're using a 1689 version or something.

I don't know what it is. But they're using a later one, all right? And that's an issue. That's why I never preach out of the King James or I don't quote the King James. We don't talk like these and those. Some King James only people will say that the King James in English is better than the Greek.

You can ask them that too. That's right. They're TR only, Texas Receptus only, or King James only.

And some of them have abandoned the TR. But my bigger concern with this of Christ, the faith issue, was that if it's his faith that saves us, does that nullify substitutionary atonement? No.

No, it doesn't. And because he could have faith in God and it was work. We're out of time. There's the music. Can you call back tomorrow? Let's go over this, okay?

Because it's good stuff. I would love to. We're out of time. All right. All right. Thank you. Hey, folks.

Sorry about that. Hope she calls back tomorrow. We'll get some good theology. God bless everybody. We'll be right back.