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December 14, 2023 8:44 pm

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December 14, 2023 8:44 pm

The Matt Slick Live daily radio show broadcast is a production of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry -CARM-. During the show, Matt answers questions on the air, and offers insight on topics like The Bible, Apologetics, Theology, World Religions, Atheism, and other issues-- The show airs live on the Truth Network, Monday through Friday, 6-7 PM, EST -3-4 PM, PST--You can also email questions to Matt using-, Please put -Radio Show Question- in the Subject line--You can also watch a live stream during the live show on RUMBLE--Time stamps are approximate due to commercials being removed for PODCAST.--Topics Include--15- Is Israel on Palestinian land-- Are the Jews in Israel now still God's people of the covenant---29- What is a real Jew---52- What is a pastor's responsibility---55- Mormonism.


The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. If you want, you can give me a call at 877-207-2276. Today's date for the podcasters is December 13, 2023.

It's a nice Wednesday. All right. Hey, I got a question for you. I don't know if any of you are seeing them, but we're doing one-minute video things. We're doing a whole bunch, just one-minute videos. We've got a good system going. I produce them. And then Ernie edits, or he does his stuff, and he puts them up.

He's really good at that. So if you have seen any of those, I'd like to know your feedback on it. I'd like to know your feedback on that if you have, because I'm interested.

If you've seen them, if you haven't, let us know. All right. I sound like a foreigner.

Something's up with the sound. So let me make sure, because I had to rush. Let me make sure I got everything right. No, that looks good.

That's right. Everything looks good. Don't know what's going on. It's all good. Everything's right, and it should be working. Everything is good. Okay. So let me know if the sound is good or not good wherever you are. All right. Okay, what if I switch my headphones? That would now sound already good. So you have sound. Oh, so it does work.

A little tech issues on their end. All right. We have nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

And since we have nobody waiting, and this is a nice Wednesday, sometimes we get a lot of callers really quickly. Okay, so Joanne says she loves them, those little shorts. I guess we call them shorts. I guess that's what it is. And maybe, you know what? I just got an idea. Maybe if Ernie were to call in, and then we get him on the air, and he explains what they are, where they are. What do you think, Ernie? You got enough courage to do that? Yeah?

Is he going to? All right, you're at number 877-207-2276. We're doing these shorts, and I've got about eight more to do. I was going to do them today, but you know how life is sometimes.

It just gives you a curve. And so we're trying to get them out all over the place. And they're supposed to be under one minute where I go through things. And it's tough.

It's tough just kind of making things within 55 to 58, 9 seconds. I try to get as much information as I can in there and stuff like that. So I am interested if you have any feedback, call up and tell us what you think. I'd like those.

That would be really great. All right, and if you are interested in e-mailing me a question for the radio or a question or a comment for the radio, just go to info at, info at, and just type in the subject line radio question or radio comment, Ernie. Hey, buddy.

Welcome. You're on the air, man. Hey, Matt. How you doing, brother?

Doing all right. All right, so this is completely spontaneous, putting you on the spot. But as you know, everybody, this is Ernie. He's been working with us about a year now, I guess, kind of, right?

Well, technically it's four years with a small, brief spot in the middle. But most people know that you don't even know what I do, so. Well, who are you anyway? So, yeah, you help out a lot. You do.

You do. You help out a lot. And tell us about these shorts, where they're going and what.

Tell us about them so people can find them. What we're trying to do is we're trying to change the way we market a lot of the material that we put out because the attention span of the average adult and the young people that we really want to reach for Jesus, it's changed a lot. So keeping somebody's attention, you really got to stay short. So YouTube and a few other platforms, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, which we're about to expand into, they all do things that they call shorts or reels. And you cram a lot of theology and love and correction and error fixing into 60 seconds, and you upload it. So we shoot it out to, currently we're putting them out to Rumble, Instagram, and Twitter, and Facebook.

On Facebook, I generate the reel, and it will actually go to our page, and then I'll also share it as a story. So we're kind of, it's like a shotgun blast, so to speak. We're kind of throwing that out everywhere, and then I got to be honest, some of them are generating more attention than I expected. I've been really getting my work in these last couple of days on some of the ones on Catholicism, so they're making an impact. When we first started doing it, we were seeing, you know, 200 views over a week, and I uploaded one day before yesterday. I don't even think it's been, right about 48 hours, and we're already over 6,000 views, and I've been constantly debating and warring with people who are really upset, but you know, we're making that impact, and we're calling and correcting the scripture, which is, you know, that's what we've got to hold it up to.

I mean, no matter what the, the one that's really, really pushing the envelope there is the Catholic Church says that Mary's, how did you word it, part of the atonement that she atones for sin? Oh, yeah. That one's exploding. It's really blowing up. I even got to talk to you because I had to bring in some help just to moderate it. I had to turn it off last night so I could sleep. It's literally blowing up, so it's working.

Yes. But it does a lot for us because it drives people to not only, not only do we get to witness to them and talk to them about what's going on, but they end up seeing, you know, scripture right in their face. They get the link to the site, and it drives people to our channels because a lot of the ways that those shorts go out, it's not directly on our channel.

If you're a subscriber to our YouTube channel, at Calm Videos on YouTube, you would see it. But what's happening is because these shorts go into a different format, people sit and just scroll and go from one to the other. So they'll just take their thumb and be flipping through them, and they might just land on ours. And if they do, then they'll end up hearing about calm that way. And then we're experimenting with hashtags and driving those even further because people who, let's say that you're Catholic, just not to pick on a certain particular thing, but let's say you are, and we use hashtags like that. Then the algorithms on all the social media networks pick up those hashtags. So if you're Catholic or Christian or whatever that may be, Facebook or Rumble or Google or YouTube, same thing, it's going to push that stuff to you because it knows what you watch and what you're geared to. So it's really opening up a new avenue for us to reach people.

Good, good, good, good. Because I know that you're just diving into it, and I just do the videos and then say, here it goes. We have a folder that I do a video and put it up. I guess you put in the, I'm curious, I'm going to ask you this stuff anyway, but do you put a little, you know, the little graphic, what's that? Yeah, the little thumbnail. The thumbnail, man. Yeah, you create a thumbnail, don't you?

Or do you? Yeah, yeah, we use a thumbnail on some of them. Some of them haven't got it set up yet. Like YouTube, you can't use a thumbnail yet.

I don't know why. I think they're about to integrate that because it literally says, yeah, where it tells you you can't. But yeah, what I'm doing in particular is mass generating the content, and then I'm taking it and pushing it out to where it goes. And then he didn't really tell you, but we're also taking a lot of show clips and things that we're finding that are relevant within the show, and I'm doing videos for those. And what I'll do is I'll cut a clip out, like where Matt may be going into something with, you know, maybe he's talking about the atonement or something like that, and it's just really good and thorough teaching. I'll go and download that, cut it up, and I'll re- I'm not redoing anything, but what I'll do is add graphics and put the scriptures up that Matt's hitting, and I'm feeding that onto the screen, and then using overlay video like B-roll. So where there's times that Matt might be talking about something in particular, I can feed those videos in on top, and it really keeps the attention of the viewer and keeps them more engaged. So we're kind of reformatting how we're doing a lot of that stuff. And in that same process, I can also pull out 60-second clips from the show when Matt, you know, doing a rant or, you know, beating up an atheist, and I can take those and make a short little 60-second clip, and I'm throwing those up as shorts too in different channels, which is helping to drive people to channels that we're just now growing. Good. Well, good. Yeah, I got a lot more I want to do.

I was hoping to do it the day before the show, but I'll try and do them after the show. And then what I want to do is develop a way on CARM to list all the videos that we're putting up in different places so that they can be found. So I didn't talk to you about that, just, you know, which is the best platform to link to.

So if someone wants to watch them, they can click. It just opens up. So, you know. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to build you a gallery. I'm caught up with a lot of my stuff now, so if you put me some videos out, I will start working on that this week, and next week, and probably try to have something set up by next week.

Sounds good. Hey, man, I appreciate it. Thanks for calling in, man. Good stuff. You do a good job.

You do a good job. And the graphics. Yeah.

I've been noticing you've been doing some good graphics for a job, because I was like, man, those are good. So. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. I should double my salary. I should double your salary. You should double my salary.

In fact, why don't you triple it? Why don't we just show it all out? Why don't we just show that he volunteers? I just want to point out, there's this really rude guy named Alex, and he's been pestering me, and he told me that he wants me to take all the radio shows that we stream to YouTube and download them and cut out all the commercials and put them back up, because he doesn't like to fast forward. Can you believe that guy? Yeah.

Well, you know, there are just some people who don't have all their paws in the litter box. We'll talk to Alex about that. I'm telling you what. Maybe Alex could do that. Ooh, that's an idea. You know, we need to get him to do something. That would be nice. All right, man.

I wish there was a way. He's been doing a lot of stuff with abortion clinic stuff. You know about all that? Yeah, he's been doing some good work, and he goes out all over the world, actually, and he does some good stuff. He's a good guy.

I hope he didn't hear us say that, though. Yeah, I definitely don't need any more grief out of him. That's for sure. Yeah, for sure. All right, man. Thanks a lot, buddy. Ooh, good stuff, man. All right, brother. Good stuff. All right, man. All right, have a good one.

You, too. All right, that was Ernie. Yeah, he does a good job. He really does, seriously.

And Lord's raising up. He's a volunteer. Wish we had the money to pay people, but just how it is. Larry from Georgia. Larry, welcome.

You're on the air. Thank you. I'm going to try not to be emotional on you here.

I have something that is just ripping my heart out. Okay. Is Israel Israel or is Israel Palestine? Both. I have a 42-year-old son that turned me on to you folks a long time ago. Okay. And when I need spiritual advice or just any problems, I turned to you all, and you and Ernie both are very good. Tell them I said thank you. Good.

My son has not spoken to me for two months because of what's going on in Israel, and he tells me that I'm totally insane for backing Israel and all this horror that's going on over there. Okay. Ask him this. Ask him this.

Has he studied the history of the... I'm sorry to be going low still, Lord. That's all right. That's all right.

I get it. Ask him has he studied the history and ask him if he knows that in 2005 that Israel gave to the Palestinians, the people, the strip, the Gaza Strip, gave it to them, provides them water and electricity, and that Hamas by 2006 was in control, and that Hamas was using the civilians there as fodder for destruction, and they were killing them, and they were an evil rule. And we'll get back. We'll talk a little bit more about what they're doing, because I always want to ask them, and this is the question, are you supporting Hamas what they did with the women and the children? And you ask them, is this what you want? Is this what you're supporting?

Do you want Israel to do it or not? And we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show as soon as they reactivate Larry. We'll get them on the air here. We'll continue to talk. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Larry, you're back on the air. Are you still there? Yes, sir. I'm still here. Okay.

I approached my son with the information that you gave me. He told me that the Israelis have no right to be doing any of that, because since 1945, that has been Palestine. He said all the Jews that are there now are European Jews, that they have nothing to do with. My premise to him is that Joshua led the Israelites into Canaan. They took the land, and since then, it has been Israel, though they were dispersed all around the world, it is Israel. Am I correct in this?

Yes, you are. God gave the land to the people of Israel. The Israelites, a lot of them, know what tribes they're descendants of, and they were dispersed all over the world.

They still know, and they're still the people of Israel. I have a friend who's a completed Jew, and he goes around preaching and teaching for Jesus. He knows Hebrew, and he knows a lot of Jewish stuff. He does Seder. He teaches, and he knows his ancestry. He knows what tribe.

They know what it is. After the Holocaust, then the land belonged, I believe it was to Britain, and Britain ceded it to the Jews because of the Holocaust, which the land which had already belonged to Israel. The people of Israel, because God gave it to them over 2,000 years ago, way over 2,000 years ago, and so all they're doing is manifesting that. In 1948-49 war, Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years. Israel occupied it in 1967 until 2005, and the reason was because the Six-Day War.

They were attacked, so Israel defended itself. Now this guy wants to say they don't have the right to be there. Then you ask him this. Does he want to give the land back to the Indians here in America? You ask him that. Where is he living, and didn't the indigenous people of Americans have the land first? I'm not justifying it as okay and all this stuff. There's a lot of injustice that went on, but that's a better topic.

Just ask him. The Israelites don't have the right to be there. Do you have the right to be here in America when the American Indians were here first?

Which is it? Do you want to have a double standard one for yourself, and you're going to say that Israel can't do it, and that the Palestinians are there, and that they're not real Jews? Of course they are Jews. They're real Jews. Who are you to say they're not?

Who are you to sit back and say what they should and should not do? Furthermore, the Jews have been attacked from all around them, the Arab nations, who they know want to destroy them, kill them, murder them, and everything. The Quran says in Surah 551, do not take Jews and Christians as your friends.

Don't do it. You're not supposed to even work with them. When Jews and Christians are under domination in Muslim-ruled countries, they're not allowed to have places of authority. They can't evangelize. They're heavily taxed. They're oppressed. The Jews in Israel know this. They know about the Six-Day War. They know about the 1987 uprising. They know about, they certainly have the memory of the Holocaust. I've been to Israel twice.

I've been to the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem. So they are going to protect themselves because they have the right to protect themselves. And if your son wants to say they don't have the right to protect themselves, then he must say he does not have the right to protect himself from anybody coming into his home, even though it was owned by people first a long time ago. Honesty, consistency. Your son does not know what he's talking about, and he's just, sorry, but you'll know what the term means.

He's a useful idiot. No disrespect meant, but you know the term. Yes, sir. Yeah.

I have one brief follow-up. Our Lord and Savior Jesus is not a Palestinian. That's right.

He's not. He's a Jew. I'm correct in this. Yes, he was a Jew. Through and through.

That's right. His lineage, am I correct in this, that his lineage from David comes through his mother, Mary? Both. Am I correct in that?

Both. His lineage is through Mary. The legal line is through Joseph.

That's why there's two genealogies, one in Luke and one in Matthew. Yeah. Okay. I read and go with everything I can that y'all have posted on Facebook. So, okay, sir, I'm not going to take up any more of your valuable time on there.

You've answered my question. You folks at CARM are a blessing to me, and tell Ernie if he doesn't know it, he is. Yeah, he knows. In fact, I'm looking at him right now. He's smiling. Go ahead and nod, Ernie.

I'm watching him on. Yeah, he's nodding, and he's one of those aw shucks moments, you know, so there you go. All right. Thank you for everything that y'all do at CARM, sir. Okay, man.

Thanks a lot. We appreciate it. God bless. Okay. Yes, sir. All right. And pray for Larry, folks.

Pray for him and his son situation. The leftists have gotten a lot of control in America, and they brainwash people. Israel has the right to be in that land. It has the right to defend itself, and the enemy is coming through. And then the useful idiots, the term I believe was used by Stalin. I think it was Stalin who referred to the people in his own governmental system, his own nation, who were brainwashed enough to believe that the leftist socialist media propaganda was all true, and they would protest, and they would cause problems which only helped the Communist Party to gain power. And he called them useful idiots because they would just believe what they were told. And so there's a lot of useful idiots in America because they believe what the leftist media is telling us and the leftist schools. And, by the way, are you aware of this, that less and less people now are wanting to go to the indoctrination camps called schools? And in fact, there's such a decrease in applications for college that some corporations now are having internship programs where they actually have to train them in the basics of all kinds of stuff because the colleges aren't doing it, and kids don't want to go to college because they're not learning anything in college except leftist propaganda.

Why would they be doing that? Because the left is in control. The left is a bunch of useful idiots.

Useful idiots. Let's get to David from California. David, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Hey. I'm just calling because I've heard you and Andrew Rapoport and a few other people talk Hillsong Bethel bad.

That's correct. I have never heard anyone actually explain why. Not that I don't believe you.

Okay. I have not heard the what's wrong. Yeah, they teach some unbiblical stuff. One of the songs says, and I forget which one, I'm going to do an analysis on their lyrics. One of them says, God, I give you permission to blah, blah, blah. That's a heresy. It's a flat out heresy. Now, they're not theologians, I get it, but they should know better. They use great music, but what they're standing for is part of the new apostolic reformation, modern day prophecy, modern day apostles, modern day prophets that will then tell you what you need to do and how to get in a relationship with God.

That's not the case. That's Christ, not their modern day prophets and stuff. I remember, I think it was a Bethel video, and if anybody out there knows where that is or has a copy of it, you've got to send it to me. It was like five years ago, and I remember singing with my own eyes. My jaw dropped. Couldn't believe what I saw, and then there was the music, and I'll have to tell you when I get back. Okay. So, hold on. Folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

The open line is 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Dave. Are you still there? I am still here.

All right. So, the video that I saw was a cabaret, Christmas cabaret style of Little Town of Bethlehem with dancing girls doing, in very short, all their legs bared, and their upper parts kind of squished together, and doing the 30s style cabaret when they would dance and kick their legs up like that, and to the tune of Little Town of Bethlehem. Okay, I remember seeing that. This is no joke, and they took it down because it was just blasphemous. There have been scandals. Now, there's a difference between being accused and being guilty, but when there's a multitudinous amount of scandals that occur with a group, you've got to start paying attention.

There's issues of the funds being appropriated. Some pastors and men of Hillsong with assaults, there's... Be careful how you say things. Let's say this, they support false teachers like Joyce Meyer, and Osteen, and others, and their worship, though is often very beautiful, is theologically heretical in some areas.

I have so much to do. One of the things I want to do is create a section just analyzing the lyrics from Hillsong and Bethel and other songs, because they're just horrible. Some of them are. Some of them are not. I'm not saying it's all bad. I'm just saying it's just really bad. This idea of God, I give you permission, give me a stinking break.

How do you give God permission to do something? What a... It just makes me want to puke. It's so bad. There's just a lot of stuff there.

Okay? When I went to Bethel, I went to Bethel in, sorry, in Northern California about three years ago. I went and checked it out. I went through their library, and there's just heresy books in there, books of... Plus, I know somebody, or I knew somebody who, get this, who worked with people in Bethel, and he didn't know, or they did not know that he was a pastor who was researching them, who were right there in the area of Bethel in Northern California. He would listen to them and be in their company when they were evangelizing, and they never gave the gospel. It was, what's your miracle for today? They'd go up and do a miracle, and we will pray for your miracle, but they would never give anybody the gospel.

When I went to Bethel, after I left the bookstore, I just followed the crowd, and I meant they were going this one direction. I'm going to go check out what's going on here, and you go down in there, and what's your name? What's your email? What's this?

What's that? What miracle do you want today? This is how it is, and it just is bad. It's just bad stuff going on.

Okay? I'm kind of concerned at this point because, well, my mom has a number of health problems and is in substantial amount of pain. She's going to be going up there, coming up soon, and she's talked to people who have come back and said, yes, they have been healed, broken bones or disformities and other such. Not that I don't think healings don't happen, and myself, I'm a meningitis survivor, missed the vaccine by six months.

So brain injury, seizure disorder, learning handicaps, blind for six months, all sorts of nasty stuff. So it's not that I don't believe in healing, and that there's not. So it's not that I don't think that she can, like this would happen there, I'm just wondering how nervous I should be about their involvement in it. And I think she mentioned something about their prayer or healing ministry, them trying to set up a ministry like it at her church.

And so I'm just kind of nervous about what that involves or what all that's going to bring. All right. So let me see if I can say this and make it make sense. The scriptures are the final authority of all things, and everything that we believe and do should be governed by scripture, not by our experience. We don't want to negate experience, but experience is only true when it is consistent with scripture. Healings can occur by the power of the Holy Spirit, but healings can also occur by the power of the enemy. Jesus says in Matthew 7, 22 and 23, he says, many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy your name, your name cast out demons, your name before many miracles.

And he says, and I'll say to them, I never knew you get away from me, you workers of evil. So there are healings that can occur in the name of Jesus that are not of God. And I'm not saying that this is the case with them. I'm just saying this is the theological truth we have to be aware of. Just because things are happening doesn't mean it's true. And if I were to do something and a miracle occurred because I spoke it, it doesn't mean I'm right.

It just means that a miracle has occurred and you have to judge all things by this truth of the scriptures. The ill song fails in many of the areas because they support heretical teachers, okay, and they support, well, you know, blasphemous kind of humanist entertainment values, you know, like this video I told you about. And there's a lot of scandals going on within their ranks, a lot of abuse that they've been accused of. And there's cult-like characteristics there. And I could see that when I was there and it doesn't mean it's a cult, but it's like, oh, man, the warning flags are just going on and on and on.

When people give themselves over to a movement, it's very dangerous. Like, I talked to a woman today, I was at Walmart checking stuff out, and I asked, hey, do people steal? And she said, yes, they do, you know, because she worked there. And I said, oh, man, that's bad. I said, you know, I believe in, you know, I'm a minister and blah, blah, blah. She goes, I'm LDS. We got talking. And I said, well, you know, the LDS, I know a lot about it. And she says, do we all believe in the same God? I said, no, we don't.

And we went in. And see, people give themselves over, like this woman does to LDS, she'll believe that God came without a planet and has a relations with her goddess wife to make babies in heaven. I mean, it's ridiculous stupidity is not in scripture.

So people will believe that because it's called snapping. So your mother, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to her whatsoever, but my wife has a lot of problems too. She's in constant pain.

And I had to pick up meds for her today, as a matter of fact, she's got a lot of issues. So I get that and, but she is so biblically oriented that she's not going to fall for this other stuff. But nevertheless, people who are in pain, you just want to be healed and they want to turn to Christ. And here's a church where miracles are happening. They're going to go and sometimes they're healed. Sometimes people are healed in the Catholic church or the Mormon church or the Jehovah's Witness church, but it doesn't mean they're true. And so it's a difficult thing because I could say to your mom, if I was talking to her directly I'd say, well, it's a bad church, it's a bad place, but does it mean she won't get healed? I can't say that because in Acts 19, the people were casting out demons in the name of Jesus, but they weren't even believers and miracles were occurring. So I want your mom to be healed. And if somehow a miracle occurs in the name of Christ, it doesn't mean that that movement is true. Do you see how difficult this is to wade through all of this? Yeah, I think at this point I'm just going to have to really be praying for, well, one for her healing, because I want that, but also for discernment and yeah, I'm accused of being way too opinionated as of late because I'm trying to find out, okay, what's actually going on? What's the truth of everything? People make a claim, is the claim right? And actually taking a stand.

Exactly right. I've been motivated to do some research, I've been wanting to on Hillsong and pick up, I guess so many things I've got to do, I'm just buried, but maybe I'll see if I can get a list of things documented. In fact, I'll tell you what everybody out there listening, I'm willing to do an article, I'm going to do research. If you know of certain articles, it's everybody out there listening, articles that deal with documentation of things that are going on with Hillsong and Bethel, and you can email them to me at info at, or even if you don't know where that is, but you say, this was the issue, and then you tell it to me, I can research it and find it.

I don't want to just spread gossip, that's not what's going to happen, I need to have documentation that these things are occurring. And so that's what I want to do and get some of the songs, which I have to analyze, which share the theology of some of them, it's just so bad. And so just because the music is beautiful, in fact, I remember one of our daughters, I know I'm talking a lot, but I remember one of our daughters just fell in love with the song Oceans, which is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard in my life.

It's beautiful. And she was enamored with the song and said, now I understand how great God is and this and that and that and this, and I remember, I still remember thinking, that's not good, because she's enamored with God because of the music, not because of God. And she has turned to the new age now. And I'm not blaming that song, I'm just saying, when someone looks to the music and the feeling that the music can engender, then that's the wrong place, okay, it's the wrong place.

Not that music can't be beautiful and God glorifying, you know. This is just not easy to wave through, if you know what I mean, but you're right. Pray for her for healing and discernment. Okay. Thanks. All right, brother, God bless. Let me know how it goes, okay?

Call back later and let me know. Okay. All right.

Will do. All right. Hey, folks, there we go.

We have nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody, and welcome back to the show. Hey, just want to let you know that we're doing a matching funds drive for the month of December, if you want. If you want to give me a call, gee, we can do that, too, but I mean, if you want to support us, all you got to do is go to, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and forward slash donate, and you can help us out.

We ask $5 a month, $10 a month. I know it's not very much, but we do need it. We have missionaries in Brazil, Colombia, Malawi, and Nigeria, and Turkey, and we are working with them to promote and spread the gospel. We've got stories we're going to be putting on a newsletter pretty soon detailing our guy in Georgia, not Georgia, Josh, Nigeria, and explaining how there's been attempts on his life for preaching the gospel by the Muslims, how he's arrested, what's happened. People are leaving false churches coming out because of him. It's just great, and this is just one of the stories that we're talking about, and we hope to get that information out pretty soon.

So if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, David, welcome, you're on the air. Thank you, Matthew, and you know, we just left the church because I think worship music is about 25 to 33 percent of the service, and we left the church because they played Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation, and we didn't feel, we were worshiping God. Yeah, of course, they will sneak in a worship song occasionally, but most of their music is man-centered, is Jesus my boyfriend music, and beside that, you've got to remember when the church supports that, they're giving a percentage to those people, and those guys, Hillsong, I call them Hillsong, but that's a whole thing, but Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation are about 75 percent of Christian music out there. Yep, yep.

That's horrible. That's right, I know, and some of what they do is very good, but yeah, yeah. Yeah, so my question is, and because every pastor is going to say this, but they do some good songs, and we had to pick out the good ones. What would you say to the pastor? I'd say, okay, so the Mormon Church produces a really good song, should you sing it? Because even though everything else is bad? Well, oh yeah, I know, I hate that, I hate that one Leonard Cohen song, Hallelujah, because it's blasphemous. Well, I guess I'll change the lyrics for that, but the argument, you know, we'll only use the good songs. Oh, he said, the holy dove moved in you. I mean, what? Yeah, he said, the holy dove moved in you, he was talking about a relation with Marion that was horrible, Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah is a beautiful lyric, but again, it's written by a apostate Jew that didn't know God, and he has the gift of music, but he blasphemed Jesus.

Send me the information on that, you know, info. I will, I will, I will, it's horrible, but it's a great lyric, I mean, that's the thing, his name is Cohen, they were the singers, but they were obviously, you know, and that's another question I have, would you please help me with, my son is totally, he's got this thing where Ben Shapiro and all these people that hate Jesus are not real Israel, they're not real Jews, they're not even related to Jesus, would you help me with that a little bit? Well, what makes someone a real Jew? If you have a descendancy through the mother and the father legally and stuff, and you can trace your lineage back, you're a Jew, so who's this guy to say what a Jew is or isn't? I would ask the Jews, they're the ones who know they're Jews, and how do they know?

Go find out what their criteria is that they've had, that's what I would do. Okay. Okay. I didn't mean to sidetrack two or three questions, but thank you, Matt. All right, man.

Well, God bless, buddy. Send me documentation. All right, bye. All right, sounds good. Thank you, bye. I do want documentation from anybody and everybody out there.

You've got stuff on Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, documentation from news articles, whatever it is. If you don't have it, okay. Am I being nitpicky? Yes.

Yes, I am nitpicky to the point of necessity, because a little leaven leavens the whole lump. We've got to make sure that our adoration and worship of God is correct. Would you want, for example, the Mormon church is a hymn being sung in your church?

It teaches God came from another planet and has a goddess wife and have relations in heaven and the spirit babies are produced and then they inhabit human bodies on earth and you can become a god of your own planet if you know handshakes and you go to the temple. So is that Christian? Of course not. I'm sorry, but it's not, okay.

And Mormons think it is, but it's not. And so in a Christian church, would it be okay to do a song from them? Of course not. Well, what if it's a beautiful song and all the lyrics are really good?

Is it okay? Well, of course not. Because if you're going to go with a group and a movement that then uses something, you're given the stamp of approval on that group. And this is why pastors and such should not do that. You know, pastors and elders are going to be responsible to God for what they've permitted in the church.

And this is serious stuff. And so I would recommend that a lot of pastors and elders, I'm going to step on toes, a lot of pastors and elders do an exercise, go outside and see which way the wind blowing and see if you have the urge to just look your finger and put it up in the air and see which way it's going. Because if that's you, if that's the kind of person you are that you want to relate to culture and culture is really what needs to drive your service and drive your worship, then you're probably an apostate. See, the thing is not that we use the ways of the world to determine what we should be doing. We use scripture to determine what we should be doing in our submission of the Lord Jesus Christ and then let the world hear what the truth is. The work of the pastor is to equip the Christians for the work of ministry, not to make the church so comfortable for unbelievers and the music so wonderful that everybody just comes in and you derive your success by how many people are in the pews. That's not the measure of success. The measure of success is are you preaching and teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and are you equipping the saints for the work of ministry as the Bible says in Ephesians 4, 11 and 12.

That's what we have to measure ourselves by and we have to make sure that we as the ministers of the truth are speaking the word of truth and not sitting there to please men. That's not to say we need to make a service that's so foreign. We have everything done in the 12th century and that's how it is. Now, I'm not talking about that. We speak English. We use technology. That's fine.

We use guitars. That's not a problem. That's not a problem. That if the goal is to bring in people by making them more comfortable for your church service and that's your goal, that's your ultimate goal, then that's a problem. It should not be that. It should be the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ and that in the presentation of the truth may the people who are called by God come in because they want to hear truth, not because they want to be swayed by nice music and comfortable chairs. It's the obligation that we have to speak truth. As I've said so many times before, what we need to do is preach to thin the church out. What I mean by that is we preach the truth. We preach the truth. I would be preaching to my congregation if I were a pastor again. I'd be saying things like, and this is a super condensed form, I mean I'd be saying it nicely in a different context, but I'd be saying things like you need to study the word of God. You need to know the basics of the Christian faith.

You need to know what evangelism is and you need to know how to approach people in whatever context you're in to be able to expand the kingdom of God. You don't live for yourself. You live for the Lord Jesus Christ.

If you think you live for yourself and it's all about you, then you need to repent and you need to come to faith in Christ and the truth of what the gospel is that we're bought with the blood of God and that we're no longer on our own but we belong to him. If you preach this kind of a thing, a lot of people are going to leave the church and go to a church that will tickle their ears. We don't want to do that.

We don't want that to be the case. We want them to find the truth and the power of God's word. That's one more thing that bugs the bejeebers out of me is they go to churches and they have to introduce a sermon with a three, four, five minute introductory story to make people get in the mood to want to hear the truth of God's word. I think in my opinion that is a disservice to the word of God because it's an admission or proclamation by such teachers that the word of God in and of itself is not powerful or sufficient. That it needs to be couched in warmth and hammock theology to be able to make people ready to hear what the word of God is.

Well, why would they have to be made ready? Because the word of God is spiritual and the word of God is what God has given to his sheep and Jesus says, my sheep will hear my voice and they'll come after me. John 10, 27, 28, so speak the power and the truth of the word of God. Do it gently, do it patiently, do it carefully, do it with wisdom, but don't compromise the truth of God's word.

Use the story only as an illustration as salt and pepper on the meat, but not as a substance as is often the case. It's a shame what's happening in too many churches in America today. Paul from the UK, welcome, you're on the air, man. I will speak slowly because I'm conscious, I have an accent and I'm studying, I'm preparing a word for Sunday based on Hebrews 1 on the subject of Christmas. However, I'm looking at Hebrews 1 verse 2 and it says, whom he also created the world and in there it's using the word aionis, not the word cosmos, everywhere else it uses aionis and in the Hebrews it translates to the word does forever, not world, if that makes sense. Yes it does.

I just want to hear any ideas about why. Yes, so aionis is just simply a word that means age, that's what it means generically. Now to say forever it's aionis to an aionion, and the age of the ages. So that's how that basically is.

But let me go and do a check here, I've done a lot of research on aionion and the word is 165 and it occurs 124 times in the New Testament. And it is, hold on, there we go, move this up, it's translated as forever. That's the time thing, yeah it is as opposed to this world in this case.

Yes, that's correct. And so what basically is going on in there, which I'm with you, even in the NESB which I think is great, I don't like that they use the word world, I think they should stick more with the Greek and say he made the ages, I think that's what needs to be done. But it doesn't make as much sense that way, because what do you mean he made the ages? Well the ages deal with, in the context, in these last days, well put it this way, God after he spoke long ago to the fathers and the prophets, he's talking about Israel, he's talking about the people of God in many portions and in many ways, in these last days, in this present culture and time, you know in the world, the Jews, he spoke through his son whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also made the ages. And if you go to Colossians 1, 15 and 17, all things are made by Christ, all things. So I think what they're doing is trying to soften it a little bit and make it make more sense by the world.

And I would prefer that they would just say ages, that's what I prefer. So I'm with you on that one. I was always with you, it just stood out. Yeah, in fact, in fact I'm looking, the ESV says world, as does the King James, New King James, the RSV, the LEB, the NIV84 says universe, the CSB says universe, Dewey Rheims says world, and let's see some other ones here, the Septuagintus says that. The universe and the HCSB, and he made the universe and the ISV.

So he made, so it looks like he's talking about making physical things, which is why the word world is used. Okay, but hey, I'm with you. I wish they would keep the word ages because it would cause people to go, what, and start looking. I like that. Hey buddy, there's the music, I've got to go, I've got to go, there's the music. Call back tomorrow, okay? Okay, brother. God bless. Okay. Hey folks, sorry about that, I'm not cutting him off because he's from UK, but hey, by God's grace, back on here tomorrow, we'll talk to you then. Bye.
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