Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276, the last four digits on your phone, spell CARM, CARM.org, Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, which recently did, let's see, last week, yeah it was last week, no it was on the 25th, that's the, CARM hit 28 years old, that's how old it is.

So what I did today, one of the things I had to do was catch up on the stats for the site, and Google Analytics did something differently, and so it messed up the procedure. So what I had to do, because I'm pretty good with math, is I went in and did an averaging set and found some stuff, and then multiplied by a blah blah blah to do this, divide by that, and was able to figure out the averages, and so CARM has, the past few weeks, is increasing in traffic, and that's good, so praise God for that, no big deal. And hey look, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, but if you don't want to call and you want to email me, you can do that very easily, just send an email to info at CARM.org, info at CARM.org, and just put in the subject line radio question or radio comment, something like that and we can get to it. And let's see, I've got some interesting stuff that's come in, and I don't even know if some of the radio questions, but there are some comments, there are some various things, so I think I have to look at some of those, I think we've got a caller coming in, and if you're new to this show, you're not sure what this show is, it's a Christian apologetic show, apologetics is the branch of Christian theology dealing with the defense and the establishment of the Christian faith, and so I do that heavily, and I don't just talk about, well the Bible says that's all it is, no I get into the issues of science, logic, philosophy, biblical manuscripts, talking about UFOs, talking about Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, all kinds of things compared to what the word of God says, and if that sounds intriguing, well stay tuned, you'll probably hear something you like and probably hear something you won't like, that's often the case, I do get people telling me regularly, you know, every couple times a week, I mean a month, people say, yeah I've been listening to you and I first heard you, I didn't like what you had to say, and then I kept listening and going, that's what it says, you know, I get that a lot, and not a big deal, but alright why don't we just do this, why don't we get on the air with Chance from Texas, hey Chance, welcome, you're on the air. Yes sir, hello Matt, I asked a question, good sir, I asked a question closing yesterday about harmonizing Mark chapter 7 verse 20 where Jesus tells us that which defileth a man cometh from the inside, and then harmonizing that with 1 Peter 5.8 where the description is an existential threat as a roaring lion, so I'm trying to revisit depravity and justification and I'm studying these and trying to reconcile these issues, can you put this together for me? Sure, Mark 7, your notes up there, 7 and 20, is dealing with the inner action, the inner depravity of our natures, where 1 Peter 5.8 is the external, so there's a difference between internal and external, internal is what comes out of our own hearts, and external is the work of the devil and our fallen world to work against us, so it says, I think the reference is Mark 7.20, that which proceeds out of the mouth as what defiles a man from within out of the heart, man proceeds evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, adulteries, etc. and yet 1 Peter 5.8, be of sober spirit, be on the alert, as your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour, resist him, so it's just the difference between the internal and the external, and I'd like to say to people, we don't need the devil to sin, we can do that pretty well on our own, you know?

Okay? Okay, yes sir, thank you, I was just revisiting that, as if one who doesn't accept depravity, then they would look to that passage and then apply it, the devil might be omnipresent in everyone's heart at the same time, so as I go back and revisit these things, I just want to re-cement these theologies the way they should be scripturally. Right, and we have to understand that though the devil is not omnipresent, he does have a lot of forces that work with him in the angelic realm and they are busy, and so just to give a little plug in my novel, The Influence, I discuss the idea of levels of demons, levels of demonic forces, and principalities and powers and things like that, and I know what the scripture did a lot of research, and just used them in my fictional novel, and there are lower levels, but they are, nothing violated scripture, and so they are able to move quickly, know languages, and influence people, but I don't know how, but they are able to do that.

Now, have you ever been around, I mean just sitting around by yourself, watching TV, just driving thinking about, you know, weed the backyard, and all of a sudden a weird thought comes in your mind, and it's like, where did that come from, it's not a good thought, you know. Now, some people say, well that's the devil, well I don't know if it is, I don't know if it isn't, but we don't need him for our own depravity, for our own sin, so there's discussions about how the two interact, and we don't know for sure, okay. Okay yeah, I was just seeing if I could differentiate that interaction as the devil would interact with that fallen aspect of our nature, that which came from Adam, as opposed to in the gospel age, we might view it as such a way as Christ has already died, so all our sins have been forgiven, and now the external source is the only source. Right. You know, in my novel, what I did was, I had, and I took literary license, you know, because it's a fiction novel, but I had demonic forces, what they would do in my novel, they would go up to a person, and not knowing if the person was saved or not, they'd put their clawed, taloned hand upon the chest of the person to see if he'd been indwelt or not, and if they weren't, they could whisper into their ears and do things, and like I said, it's just fiction, but they would whisper, and I had one scene where Kathy, the main character's watching TV, and the situation, she has to be home at her dad's house because of some of that happened bad, and there's demonic forces in front of her, but as she's looking at the TV, she's looking right at its face, and as it's exhaling, she's inhaling and vice versa, and it's whispering and doing all this stuff, and she's getting more anxious.

And she's alone in a house. Anyway, so, this is fiction, but we don't know how the demonic forces can interact or to what degree they can with us, but they can, well, personally, I believe that unbelievers are in the service of the evil one, ultimately, and so I believe Catholics are, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, I believe atheists, agnostics, Muslims are, because they're not serving the true living God, and they don't have the true gospel, so, anyway. Okay, Matt, yes sir, thank you very much. You're welcome. God bless.

Okay. So, you know, let me get a springboard on that, and I know that a lot of people are going to be shocked by what I just said, but I have to speak about that, because, you see, if I'm talking to somebody one-on-one, in person, I'm going to speak differently than I will on the radio, and I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not trying to be rude or shocking, but I do believe that there's a lot of people who listen on the radio, and, a lot of Mormons, a lot of Catholics, I know, and that, you know, just the statement over the air needs to be said. You know, check this out, this is Galatians 4, 8, however, at that time when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. So, what are these things that, like the God of Mormonism, for example, you know, is an exalted man from another planet, was a goddess wife. Well, that's not the God of the Bible, or the God of Islam, which is a single person who is a deceiver in the Quran, surah 4, 1, 57, he, Allah makes someone look like Jesus to be crucified, by his own hand, and so he's a deceiver. You know, we have the Jovah's Witnesses, and their God is a single person being who created Jesus and salvation is through faith and your works, and your goodness.

And so, because people have false gods, they have false Christs, and because they have false Christs, they have false Gospels, but the exception of that kind of general rule is in Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, they serve the true God, but they have a false Gospel. But nevertheless, here's the thing, there are demonic forces out there, and the Bible is very clear that the devil prowls around. He seeks to devour some people. There are demonic forces, there are powers, principalities, that are at work, and they are insanely evil, and they desire to destroy you and me, they desire to destroy us, but only God's grace prevents them from carrying out the power that they actually can. And there's a, you know, God in his sovereignty is allowing certain things to happen to bring about what he desires ultimately for his purpose, and there's so many ways we could talk about that, but nevertheless, these demonic forces can manifest, and they can possess people. Personally, I believe I've been physically touched by a demonic force, physically, and I've sensed demonic forces before. Maybe some of you have been someplace, and for an unknown reason, you just are exceedingly uncomfortable. Something's just not right. And I'm not saying that's demonic, I'm just saying we all have that kind of thing happen to us. You know, what is going on?

What is that? And I remember one instance, I won't get into too many details, but to say that I was absolutely convinced that there were demonic forces present where I was. And it was, to me it was pretty obvious. So since the Bible does talk about this, it's important for us to understand it, but on the other hand, we already have a depraved and fallen nature. We don't need the devil in order to manifest evil intent and sinful actions, but the devil is alive and his demonic forces are well aware of us and they're seeking to destroy us. Anyway, I'm skipping over some of the stuff that could talk about demonic things.

I used to be involved in the occult when I was younger, before I became a Christian, and I've seen things and understood quite a bit. So anyway, hey, oh, there's a break, and what we'll do is we'll get right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, please do.

And by the way, thanks Ernie from KARM for the five dollar rant, really appreciate it. And if you want to join us, 877-207-2276, we'll be right back. Here's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. All right everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. All right, let's get on the phone with Scott from Spokane. Scott, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, how's it going, Matt? Oh, hey Scott, how you doing buddy? Hanging in there, man. Doing well.

Sorry, just two real quick ones, if that's all right. The first one is in Romans 14-22. Okay, let's see, Romans 14-22. The faith which you have, have as your own convictions before God, happy as he who does not condemn himself in what he approves, okay? So my question is, the first part of the end sentence says, blessed is he who does not judge himself in what he approves.

I was just wondering, what does that mean exactly? Well, it says your heart does not condemn us, okay? We have the confidence before God. So what we're talking about, always read context, and what we want to make sure that we're doing is behaving before God according to our conscience, but not that our conscience is always right. If you do something that you think is wrong, but it's actually okay to do, then you've sinned because you're going to get your conscience of your heart. But if you don't believe it's sin, and it really is, you've sinned there too. So what he's saying is, the previous verse, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God, and whatever we ask, we receive of him.

So because he keeps our commandments and do the things that are pleasing to his sight. So where was that verse, wait a minute, Romans 14, oh, that's right. Oh, I got my, my, my verses, the windows mixed up, sorry about that. The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God, happiest who does not condemn himself. If you're going to believe something, believe what's right, according to the scriptures, according to integrity, according to your heart.

And in that, you won't condemn yourself and your actions. Okay. Okay. And then the other one is, I just, I was wondering, I believe you do, but I just wanted to double check. Um, do you believe that objects themselves can have some type of demonic attachment?

Yes. And I, and I see why, and I, that's what I'm sort of considering, but I was wondering if there's anywhere in scripture that might support that at least a little, because I know it's not really profound there. The only thing on top of my head about any spiritual attachment to an object is God attached to the Ark of the Covenant. There are, uh, the works of the, the, the false magicians who are able to take your staffs and, and, uh, chain them into snakes. So something like that, that's such a staff would then, um, become a sacred object to that cult. And there could be very well be demonic connections. So years ago as an example of something, and I'm trying to remember about some scripture that would say that, and I can't think of any on top of my head, but when I was doing a radio here in the valley and the treasure valley here in Idaho, um, I got a call on the radio and long story short, it ended up going over their house. And this family had this object that had been given to them and was outside the backyard and they would not put it in their house. And I, you know, they, they said, Matt, we believe that, uh, this thing's got a demonic attachments to it.

And I said, okay, talk to me. You know, they knew that I wasn't going to laugh at them. And they said, when it's in the house, things happen. There's movements, there's sounds, there's knocks, there's all kinds of stuff.

When it's outside the house, it doesn't happen. It doesn't prove anything, but it was enough to the point where they wouldn't live in the house anymore. And so there's an object. I remember once I was doing a ministry with the guy who was involved with anti-Satanism stuff. And one of the things that, that we did was go and retrieve objects from people who were leaving the occult. And we had one instance where we were going to meet or he was going to meet in a, I remember that.

That's right. He was a large parking lot where he was going to drive in a certain area. I got there 10 minutes early, turn the lights out and wait, it was all part of the plan. And then he would be on the other side of this parking lot, it was like in a grocery store parking lot. And that he was supposed to meet someone there and they were supposed to give him an object. And what he would do is being very careful, he didn't want to get killed by the Satanists. And so he would do this and we didn't have cell phones back there. So what it would do is if I saw a car coming up behind him or behind him, I'd flash my lights and he would just leave.

And so we were like that for 10 or 15 minutes and nobody ever showed up for him to meet him. But he was going to get a wand and it was from an occult ceremony that was in somebody's house. Then you have, we call them doors that objects that people can give you can have demonic attachment to it. Now this is something that is not talked about very much, but an obvious object that's occultic would be a Ouija board, for example. And if it is used to contact the dead, it has a demonic attachment to it. Lots of objects can potentially have demonic attachments to them. So I'm reminded of Roman Catholicism, where people don't realize this, that in America it's different than it is in Europe and South American Catholicism.

Because in those other countries it's exceedingly superstitious. And they have, essentially we're talisman, they have objects, scapulars, medallions, and you have them blessed and then these objects will keep away evil spirits. And this is just occult idiocy.

And so it's very prevalent. Well what happens, let's just say that like these demonic manifestations of the so-called virgin birth, I mean virgin birth, that's biblical of course, but I mean the Virgin Mary, where, and I can read them, where there are demonic manifestations that are approved by the Roman Catholic Church, they're obviously bad. And if people were to pray to them these demonic manifestations, thinking that they're Mary for real, and then they have an emblem that personifies or signifies that particular event, Magiguri or Fatima or Guadalupe. So if you have these different things, and these are consecrated to the Virgin Mary of Fatima, well that, because it's demonic, can have a demonic attachment to it.

And then it can be transported to other people. And so, I'm not saying that these demons are going to get in your house and all this, but it just means that these are the kinds of things that we have to be wary of. So when people call me, and we talked about this occult stuff, I'll ask them, were any objects given to you by any relatives or any friends? And sometimes I'll say, well yeah, and did it start around this time, these problems start?

Yeah, it actually did around that time. It doesn't mean that's, it could be a coincidence, but it could be also an open door. I say, well you need to get rid of those things, take them out, I'll take them if you want, things like that. And so, you can have demonic material that has attachments to it.

The Book of Mormon, you could have the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's material. You can have different sayings that, because these are false theologies, false gods, ultimately they're demonically authored, ultimately. And so those participants, like they do in the Catholic church, they pray to these false apparitions of Mary. They're opening up doors to the occult, and it's happening all over the world. And you know, Islam is, as people pray for that, they're opening the doors to demonic presence.

This is obvious in the evil that Islam promotes. So I'm just kind of rambling there a little bit, we've got a break. Hold on, Scott, we'll get back to you and make some comments there, all right? Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all they're going to do is dial 877-207-2276, if you want.

You can also email me at info at karm.org. I was just thinking of something, because that rant earlier, which we call it a rant, happy birthday, Jeff, which is preacher Jeff, but happy birthday. I like saying that to people, like, you know, on the radio, it's really nice.

What's Slicktonomy's, okay, Ernie Knight in the chat room, you've got to define what a Slicktonomy is. Okay, let's get back to Scott from Spokane. Hey, Scott, welcome. You're back on here. Hey, thank you.

Okay. Yeah, so, you know, thank you for that. I've just been wondering a lot lately, it's, you know, I don't know if it's because it's October or just random, I'm not sure, but lately I've been watching, and I used to watch You Said the Kid a lot, it's a show called A Haunting, which is just a documentary about people who have gone through experiences, and a lot of them, you know, it's funny because a lot of it is really demonic stuff, but a lot of times they get these psychics and guys that'll come in and tell them it's, they'll tell them it's human spirits and all this crap, and it's just, it's sort of entertaining to watch, because even though they have false, you know, false logic to what they are explaining it as, I can sort of decipher what's really going on, and, you know, and I told you the other day that I found a random Ouija board in a thrift store, and I bought it, destroyed it, and so it's just, you know, this stuff's been on my mind a little bit, so, yeah. Well, good, yeah, and I've got lots of stories, I've got a lot of stories about different things that have happened over the years involving the occult and stuff, but it's, what the heck is that?

That's my dog, he's wanting to, he's in the car with me. Ah, okay. So, yeah, and that's what it is, you know, so there's, there you go, all right? All right, well thank you, happy Reformation Day.

Amen, you too, God bless. All right. If you want to give me a call, all you gotta do is dial 877-207-2276, or have fun in the chat room and rumble, and if you want to watch the show or participate with the other people that are in the chat, you can go to rumble.com forward slash mattslicklive, all one word, and it'll get in there, and they're joking around, a slicktorectomy, so I don't know what that is, but I would assume it has to do with the precise removal of heresy, a slicktorectomy, so I don't know, but it's pretty funny. So that's a lot of fun, and then slicktonomies, what's a slicktonomy? So we've got to come up with some definitions now, put them in the slicktionary.

I actually have on CARM something called a slicktionary, and it's just a bunch of stupid words like to stupidify, yeah, a lot of other fun stuff. We like to have fun. All right, hey, if you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines, 8772072276. Let's see, okay, so someone just wrote this in. I'm going to check it out right now, does revelation 1315 support that demons can manipulate objects?

Let me go there and let's check it out. All right, revelation 1315, and it was given him to take breath, ooh, take a breath of the image of the beast, so the image of the beast would speak and cause, ooh, hey, there you go. That's good, I like that. That would be some good evidence, and actually, I'm glad whoever, who put that in there? That was from Will, William Wyngaard, hey, Matt, thanks a lot, Wyngaard?

I'm trying to get the name right. Often what I'll do is I have a list of questions that people on the radio, they'll say, that's a good question. I'm going to write an article on that, and so based on one of the previous callers there, do we sin on our own or does the devil make us sin?

That's the title of the article I'm going to work on, and then I'm taking notes in it. He literally is doing the show, you know, internal, external causation, and I just put that in there, revelation 1315, as part of the notes of that, so I think that is a good support. Now, I don't know how far we could take it, but I think it's good stuff, and I can do some research on those.

In fact, if any of you out there have any other verses that you're aware of in the Bible where you think it might be connected to objects and demonic objects having a connection with the occult and demonic forces, you know, just email them to me at info at karm.org and just say radio comment, you know, and put in there, what about this verse? I can check them out just like William did. Hey, appreciate that. I guess he's listening, and I really appreciate that. All right, so since we've got nobody waiting right now, and this often happens to the end of the year, too, I think slow down, and that's okay, and I've been doing radio for 20 years now, 20 years, man, oh, man. What's your thoughts on the Church of God in Christ denominations, Pentecostal and teaching Church of God in Christ?

From what I understand, it's not good. Let me verify that. Church of God in Christ, yes, yes, C-O-G-O, that's right. And trying to remember, yeah, Presiding Bishop and Chief Apostle, yeah. Now here's the thing, if you're going to ask me about that, it's always best to give me a URL of a particular group because a lot of times there are different groups that have the same or very similar names, so I'm not sure if this is the exact one that you are interested in, but let's see. Whenever they have Presiding Bishop and Apostle and things like that, okay, so they affirm, this one does, three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the Trinity, the Rapture of the Church, which is in Christ at his return, okay, good. Only means of being cleansed is through the repentance of the faith of her precious blood, okay, that's good. We have the Book of Christ on the cross, baptism of the Holy Spirit, sanctifying power, yeah, their statement of faith is not very deep, but it's pretty decent. If I were doing an analysis on individual groups, one of the things I would like to do is email them and ask for, you know, I need a ten minute interview, but Church of God in Christ, so I don't know if it is the same one that that person is asking about. So I can't tell you for sure, there are different ones.

All right, let's see if we can get to a radio question, we've got another caller coming in. Hi Matt, do you believe that Satan is currently bound because of what Jesus said in Mark 3.27? Actually I believe he's loosed, but I suspect he is. But a few verses earlier in Mark 3.23 it says that Jesus began speaking to them in parables. So this was just a parable and not meant to be taken literally, it should be, which explains why we see Satan possessing Judas Iscariot later on in the Gospel.

Well no, I don't go to Mark 3.27 for that. Let's see what it says here, because it's not a verse I go to. Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah, he's bound, that's right, well that's a good point.

Well it is and it isn't, it's not necessarily a parable, he's talking, and it doesn't say that he's, well let me get into this. This is interesting because there are different levels of binding, and through some of the discussions I've had with some more millennialists who hold to this, is that he can be bound at different levels because it says, and this I think is interesting because this was brought up earlier this year, the binding of Revelation 20 to not to see the nations, and the binding so that Jesus can get demons out of people. And those are different bindings, they're different levels of binding.

Because someone can be bound partially or completely, and so that's what I see about those. And it's a good comment, it really is, I really appreciate that, but it's just one of the responses that we give back, it's like okay, to what extent is he bound in Mark, or Matthew 10, 22, 32, and what extent might he be bound in Revelation 20, because it seems to be specific topically, I think that's worth looking at. Yeah, so there you go, it's very good, and Elijah brought that up, so thank you for that. Okay, good. How about this, let's see, first I don't see anything wrong with, with what, is it better the elders of the church need to be involved?

This is too long, we'll get into that. Does heaven have a choir? Well it depends on what you mean by choir, if it's a bunch of people who stand around in robes singing, I don't think so. If you mean are there angelic forces, angels that sing, yes.

And then we would say yeah, because there are angels that sing holy, holy, holy, and they are singing praises of God. So it depends on how it is defined, but that's a good question actually, and I don't think I've ever been asked that before, I always like that, I always like when I get something new, so what I'm going to do is put that in my list of questions that I need to get to. When is it going to end? You know, there's just so many questions, and how many do I have here, let's see, I've got there's 19 plus, oh I think I've got like 700, yeah I do, we've got 19 plus, 663, so you know almost 700 questions I've got to get to, for real, oh wow, so much heresy, so little time. Hey folks, there's the music, we've got a break coming up, give me a call, be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. All right everyone, welcome back to the show, if you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Julia from Raleigh, North Carolina, Julia welcome, you're on the air. Hey Matt, how are you doing? Doing all right. I appreciate you taking my call.

Sure. I have a question, given the fact that it's Halloween, and I just joined the show a few minutes ago, I'm a little late listening tonight, but I just have a question, you know, because obviously there seems to be a lot of demonic activity, obviously in the world every day, but especially on this particular day, and it made me question, I have grandkids that have mentioned seeing ghosts in their house, and seeing, you know, a man in a suit walking through the walls, and I'm just wondering, I know children are still really little and they don't hear things that adults do about, you know, demons and possessions and ghosts and all of these things, but is that, you know, I just kind of wanted your opinion on that, because it's one of those things you hear, you know, in the Catholic faith there's exorcists that deal with demonic possessions, so I don't quite know what to make of that, or you know, I read through scriptures and I've not seen anything, you know, that completely references the appearance of, you know, demonic beings around children, I just kind of wanted to get your opinion on that. Well, it just so happens that there's lots of stories of young kids, children, saying they see something, there's lots of accounts of like a mom at home with her young boy, for example, and he's talking to somebody, and you know, kids will imagine, and then he'll track, they'll watch him, you know, the eyes of the boy, or his head will turn to another place, and he's talking to him, and mom will say, who are you talking to? She goes, my friend, oh, he's gone now, and you know, things like that, you know, we can't say it's legit, we can't say it's not legit, but when you hear stories like this from all over, well, it's either the case of the children have great imaginations, or something's going on, and it's like animals, do animals see things? Because there's lots of accounts of animals sensing things and being aware, for example, you know, of animals, but I know this, that at Fatima, when the children were seeing this apparition, which I believe was demonic, but not only the children, but others were recorded, or reported as looking into the air, and their eyes were all tracking the same location. They would track, others couldn't see what was going on, but some people could, and they were tracking something, all their eyes were looking the same place, you know, you can't do that, you know, unless something's up.

So what I would say is, I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually seeing something, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not actually seeing something, I just can't say for sure, you know? Yeah, it's interesting, I mean, I know there are other things in this realm, and activities, and I just pray for recovering over those children every day, that's all I know to do, but some people are like, oh, you need to find a Catholic priest, well we're definitely not Catholic, but it's like, somebody needs to exercise that house, and then somebody else was telling us, oh, I think that neighborhood was built on an old grave site, you know, all these crazy things, people's minds go crazy, and obviously we have nothing to worry about because, you know, we know how this story ends, and God's greater than any of anything, but I just didn't know if that was something that, you know, you don't mention that to kids, and we try to dismiss it, and it's like, oh, you know, you probably were seeing the shadows, and you know, because I don't think it's a good idea to have kids ponder at a very young age, something like that, kids under six years old, but I didn't know if there was, you know, I kind of wanted your opinion on, what do you think, other than prayer, and praying for them daily for protection and covering. Well, there's also lots of stories of objects moving with young children around. Now, this may sound odd, but they're anecdotal, you know, not like you have a science team with the meters and the scales and the cameras, and they can repeat this, and say, no, you can prove it's true, these are anecdotes, so there's thousands of them all over where objects will just move across the room, and often it happens when they're young children. Now, why? I don't know why.

It could be demonic forces, could be the kids have a power, I don't know, but I'm always open to things and then gradually reduce the options as I look at it. When my wife and I were moving away from Orange County to San Diego for me to go to seminary, I found out that a friend of my brother, and I knew him, you know, we didn't hang out, but a friend of my brother, he lived in a house that was supposedly one of the number one occult haunted houses in the country, and I'm like, dude, why didn't you tell me this? He goes, I thought you knew.

I said, no, I never knew, because I would have gone over there. But he told me, he says, oh yeah, they'd be sitting there, because they grew up with it in the house. They'd be sitting there and watching TV and an object would just move across the room and sit down on another thing and they'd just go, okay, and they'd keep watching TV. They were so accustomed to it. Doors would open and close. Because they didn't say anything about it.

Yeah, they got to the point where they didn't care. And you know, like here's a little something, like it started about a year ago in our house upstairs from where my wife and I sat and watched TV at night when we were relaxing. One night I heard a thump, we heard a thump so loud that it was as though someone had dropped a large object in the room above us. And I mean, enough for me to get my weapon and go upstairs, had someone gotten into an upstairs window somehow.

And so I did, I got my weapon and I went upstairs and checked it out. It was that loud. All right, so it hasn't happened like that before, and since, that loud. But I've noticed around the same time, two or three times a week, I'll hear this thump right above me in the room.

I'm concluding that the house is 19 years old and it cools down at night and there's a piece of wood, something that just, it just moves as it's contracting because it happens about the same time and it happens, you know, several times a week now. Down to the point where it's like, whatever. You see? So what is it? You know, what are kids seeing? Are they seeing something or are they not seeing something?

And we just can't answer. Yeah, they're convinced. Yeah, they're convinced that they have seen it and they, you know, these kids are above average brilliant children and they don't typically fantasize or make things up. So it is interesting and I have actually, my husband and I both have actually physically seen ghosts. I don't ever want to see another one. I would never go anywhere that advertise being haunted.

I don't ever, ever want to see another one. It was a intriguing, interesting experience. And you know, talk to my pastor about it and I was like, I hope I never see another one.

You know, don't chase them. But I know that there's, there are things out there, but you know, I was, one of the reasons I would call you too is I know I've listened to you for many years and I know you talked about at one point you were dabbled, you were in the occult, you know, so you came from that world. So I was like, you know, if anybody would have a good perspective, it would be you. So it sounds like here with me, I acknowledge that there are forces out there and there are things out there and I don't think any of us really understand until we leave this earth and go to heaven and then we'll be like, oh, that's what that was in my attic. You know, or, oh, that's what the grandkids saw or that's who I saw. But yeah, it's very scary and you feel, you know, sometimes you can feel a presence around you and I don't know if you've got other callers waiting, but my son just recently had an encounter in Colorado.

He was traveling and he was out, he'd been hiking, I think it was SB Park or something. Anyway, he was headed back to his car and it was getting dark and he felt something standing beside him or behind him and he turned around and there was nobody there and then he instinctively said I needed to look up and when he did, he saw a horizontal line of about 25 green, he said it looked like a line of a string of green pearls and he said when he looked at it, it started going vertical and he grabbed his phone out of his pocket and took a picture and it just before it went completely vertical and then it started spinning like a wheel and before he could take a second photo, it just disappeared right in front of his eyes and he said, you know, one star link because we've all seen star link pass over the, you know, the night sky and I was like, you know what, that sounds like Ezekiel 10 and when you read in Ezekiel 10, it's talking about the wheel, the color of barrel stone which is emerald and green, you know, and I was like, and Billy Graham actually wrote a book called Angels, you know, decades ago and in that article, they reference the wheels of the cherubim and you know, being just literally taking up, you know, spinning like wheels and then being taken up instantly into heaven. So I told him, I said, it sounds to me like you haven't, you know, he was like, you know, my buddy says it was UFOs and I was like, sounds like an angelic encounter to me. So all of these things are quite fascinating. There are lots of stories all over the world from all kinds of people.

My own mom, when she was dying, my dad was there in the room and he told me that I wasn't there that night, that she looked and said, who's that man standing next to you and we've got stories in our family of things like this, yeah. So there's just stuff and anyway, you know, I don't like to say something is or isn't, but there's possibilities and we'll find out more and get to heaven, okay? Okay, well thank you for your insight on that and God bless you for all you do and thanks for all that, bye. Okay, bye. All right, now let's get to Eugenia from Durham, North Carolina.

Welcome, you're on the air. Yes, I was just wanting to comment on people were asking about things that could be connected to demonic forces and something people don't think about is you can strong drink like when you look at 1 Corinthians 10 and 21 you see you cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons too. But that's not what strong drink is talking about.

That's not about that. It's about pagan ceremonies where libations, where drinks were offered as a sacrifice to false idols and false gods and then once it was offered, then the participants in the pagan ceremony would drink of that out of the cup, that's what that is. I believe that, I believe that too, but I think that can open, it can open up portals in my personal experience. I've seen people that were say detoxing in my medical experience and there was obviously another force at work and I can personally remember when I was doing a fast and a biblical study and sitting with a person that seemed to me to be under this force, I'm pretty convinced, I have no doubt, but I was reading where David's asking the Lord to deliver him speedily and this thing is talking to me, stop that. And I remember distinctly hearing the voice from within saying read it out loud.

I read the passage out loud. We're at the end of the show, sorry about that, where's the music going to go? We can talk about this another time though because a lot of people are interested in this, particularly since today is Halloween, I could have talked about it.

Go to the Karm site, look up Halloween, see the article which is origination and stuff like that. Anyway, may the Lord bless you, we are out of here and by God's grace, we're back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then folks, have a great evening. Your program powered by the Truth Network.