Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. Today's date is October 18th, 2023 for the podcasters. And if you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines.

All you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. And thanks for reminding me, Ernie. So we're going to be going on in April. I'm going to let you guys know we're going to have a Paul tour.

The footsteps of Paul, Paul the Apostle. We're going to be going through the places he went in Turkey and then to Greece. And then we're going to go to Italy. And it'll be a three-week trip, 19 days. So if you're interested in that, you can just go to Bridge Paul Tours. Was it Bridge Paul Tour? Yeah, bridgepaltour.com.

And you can check it out. It's expensive, though. This is an expensive trip.

But it'll be worth it. There's a lot of people we're going to be attending with. And we're going to see things like Pompeii, from what I understand. We're going to see Athens where Paul was. We're going to see the seven churches of Revelation. And I'm going to just tell you also Ephesus.

I went to Turkey before and we saw the city of Ephesus. It's amazing. It just is. It really is.

So I frequently think about it. I mean, that was like five, six years ago. And I still think about walking the street of Ephesus, the ruins. And it took two hours to walk through everything.

It was just that big. And it was great. Well, anyway, so just reminiscing.

Bridgepaltour.com, if you're interested, check it out. And that's right, I forgot to do something last night. Man, I got so much going on. Man, I forgot to send the newsletter out.

So that's okay. So I've been working on some short videos. You know, we produce some one-minute videos. We change the format and how I'm doing it. So now I've got it set up now where I can produce them very quickly. Lots of them. And I'll be doing that very quickly, a lot.

But a lot quicker and a lot more. So how about that? So keep that in prayer if you're interested. No radio show tomorrow, at least not live, unless Charlie wants to do it. But he's shaking his head no.

He's had enough of that. It really helps when you are sitting here with four 27-inch monitors like I have. A desk fan on me. I also have, someone sent me an Ember cup, a coffee cup. And it has its own battery in the bottom of it.

So it keeps your coffee at a certain temperature that you can control on the phone. I mean, I feel so spoiled. But it's what I do. So I spend hours and hours and hours daily on the computer. And I love computers. I do.

I really like computers. In fact, I just sometimes, I don't watch football. I don't watch sports. I don't watch baseball. I don't care. But for me, a good time is going on to computer-built websites that I build these computers.

I'm not going to buy them. They're like, oh, man, I could do this and have that. I just like doing it. So a lot of fun for me. I got issues. Well, anyway, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get on to Anonymous from Raleigh, North Carolina. Welcome.

You're on the air. Anonymous. Good evening, brother.

Anonymous 66 from Raleigh. Okay. And by the way, you deserve things like that, the amount of help and encouragement that you give.

I have a question about, I don't know why, I haven't seen, I'm saw on the Weather Channel about a comet headed this way that's with dwarf Mount Everest. And basically, I don't really have a question. It's like about the sign of the times. I feel like we're just, it's rumbling.

Yeah, that's about it, if maybe you could speak on that or talk about that for a minute. Yeah, I do watch science stuff. I like watching stuff with the James Webb telescope. I like watching stuff about physics.

That's me, it's a good time, and I enjoy that kind of thing. So I did talk about Apophis as a body that may intersect Earth in 10, 12, 15 years, something like that. As far as the comet thing goes, I've not heard anything that they're worried about.

I mean, it doesn't exist, but I pay attention, and I just don't see anything that goes, oh, it's going to happen. So I wouldn't worry about it. Okay.

No, it's like a friend of mine, I said, did you know, and she hit me by a text with, oh, it falls along the line of things that we can't control, but God can leave us. So, yeah, I just thought it was surprising. Oh, excuse me. Anyway. Good yawn there. Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that one.

I have got a set. Yeah, if something like that was to happen, there are astronomers all over, and amateur astronomers, who are watching this. So it's not going to be able to just be hidden. That, oh, it's going to hit us, and so we don't know.

No, that's not going to happen. NASA knows, and there's a lot of, I forget the name of the acronym, but there's a group, they watch the skies for stuff like that, and there's amateur astronomers, and they discover stuff. They discover stuff a lot. I would love to have a nice big telescope, you know, that was geosynchronous. There's all that stuff that you could just type it in, it goes in.

I'd love to have something like that, because I love that stuff. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm not going to hold you up, but I thank you every night, and supporting your prayer as much as possible, and just thank you for what you do. Well, you know, praise God, thank you for saying that, I appreciate it. Okay. All right? All right. All right. Good night, my friend. God bless. Hey, we have nobody waiting. If you want, you can give me a call.

All you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276, the last four digits, spell C-A-R-M on your phone. So let's get to some radio questions. People send in, and you can do that too. In fact, I'd like to let people know that you can watch the show live, go to YouTube and forward slash, I think it's KARM videos, and you can watch, I'm just sitting here, it's not a big deal. But what's really good is on Rumble, we watch, I mean, I watch it, I watch the show on Rumble, and what's really good is the people, is it Rumble working?

It's going to be. Yeah, there I think it is here. That's kind of interesting. But there's a chat, well, it's a chat room, people that we have. And that is, oh, I think I clicked on the wrong day.

That's what I did. So I had to go back to the right day, which it doesn't have. Today's the 18th. Hey, how come I don't have the show on? What's up? Maybe Rumble's working fine. Well, oh, there it is. I had to update my browser.

A little technical issue here on my part. So rumble.com forward slash matsliclive, one word, and you can join in. The mayhem. It's really a lot of good people there. We have a lot of good discussions and stuff like that. It says, Matt, when we pass through the asteroid belt, we have no idea what is possible.

There are too many to be accurate. That is true, Ernie. When we pass through the asteroid belt, but we really don't pass through it, it's between Mars and Jupiter, the asteroid belt. And Mars is really necessary, not Mars, excuse me, Jupiter is really necessary for life on Earth to be maintained because it sweeps the area of a lot of asteroids and things that would come in contact with Earth over a long period of time.

So it's really a benefit to have Jupiter where it is. So between Mars and Jupiter is the asteroid belt, and it's very sparse. Now, on paper or on a drawing, it looks like really dense.

You've got to be really careful and go through it really carefully. Well, you do, but compared to what space is and the objects in a certain volume of space, it's very, very sparse. So anyway, not a big deal, but I like science. I do. I wish they said Pluto was a planet, though.

I liked. I liked Pluto being a planet when they said a dwarf planet. But at least it's a planet, though, a dwarf planet.

Then they have other dwarf planets out there. So I have an app on my phone, and every now and then I'll go on this app. And what I can do, I have a whole section. I'd make my phone logically, unlike my wife. I'd get on her phone.

Where is everything? I'd say, how do you do it? I'd say, let me tell you how to do it the proper way.

And then she gives me this weird look, like I don't know what I'm talking about. But at any rate, so I have this science app and a solar system scope. And I love that app.

I know people are probably going to get it now. But you can click on all kinds of constellations, planets, stars, everything. And you can click on it like there's Cirrus.

I'm looking at Cirrus. And so you can go do that kind of stuff. I'll tell you all kinds of information.

I'll give you pictures. I love that stuff. Science is great. All right. Hey, and by the way, did you know that science is a philosophy?

A lot of people don't know that. Now, I'm going to tell you something. So on Monday nights, I do a doctorate program. And I've got to be online. So that's why I only do half the show on Monday, except for next Monday.

I'll be on full hour because they're taking a week off. And so to my surprise, there's 25 of us in the DMIN. I call it a D Doctorate of Ministry, DMIN. In the DMIN program, there's about 25 of us.

And there's a lot of pastors. So I think I'm one of the oldest people on there, but whatever. And so we got talking. And I tried to say too much because I could talk about a lot of topics, right? So I got to be quiet.

I can't say so. And so we had probably 100 pages to read. And about, I don't know, five of them was about science and atheism and materialism, which is right up my alley.

And so like whatever. Maybe we'll talk about it for a minute or two. But to my surprise, we talked about it for a half hour, a good half hour, maybe 40 minutes, I think. And talked about materialism. And they were asking about materialism. Asking what this is and what that is. And I'm listening.

I'm thinking, you know, I could jump in and help out. So I just held it back a little bit for a while. And then they kept talking about it.

And atheism and various things. And some of the guys there know what I do and will ask me a question every now and then. But, you know, it's whatever. And so I said to the guys, you know, finally after the end, I said, look, if you want some quick and easy ways to refute materialism and deal with the issue of science for your parishioners, I said, let me know.

I can help you. I do this all the time. And I thought I was being very polite and very helpful. I mean, pastors, they don't study like I do on all these topics because they don't have time. They're doing other things.

And that's what they're supposed to be doing. And so I thought, well, you know, I could just, you know, throw a little bit of help. And nobody took me up on it even though they were talking about it for a half hour. Like, what about this? What about that?

And they go, well, you know, I can tell you guys the quick and slick ways to get this done. Anyway, it's not a big deal, but maybe one would say, okay, you know, but no. Oh, well, it's no big deal. No big deal. But I will tell you how to deal with materialism. I'll tell you what it is and the philosophy of materialism. And when we get back to the break, I'll tell you about it a little bit.

It's rampant in America and it's the undergirding principle of science itself. And so you hold on and we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. All right, now talking about materialism and science. Now, you know, if you're talking to some people and they say they just trust science, not God, and things like that, well, there's some problems with that. Science is based on philosophy.

And when you tell people that, they're going to look at you and say, Nick, you're crazy. I say, no, it's based on philosophy. And I've had atheists say, no, it's not. I say, yes, it is. I say, can you use the scientific method, which I think I'll go through with you briefly and talk about the scientific method?

Well, it is. Can you use the scientific method to prove the scientific method? Can you use a scientific method to prove that science is true? Now, this is not a trick question because science is basically trial and error where you observe something and then you try and understand it and you develop a hypothesis and you develop a way to test your hypothesis. And then if you can modify the testing and or the hypothesis to the point of repeatability and then you get predictability, then it becomes a theory. So a hypothesis graduates into a theory when the evidence supports it.

All right. Generally speaking, science deals with the observable process within the present, not the past. Now, astronomy, they might say, you're looking back in the millions of years.

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you observe it in the present. So what is science based on? Well, it's based on the idea of materialism. Science looks at the material world. Science is not looking at the issue of how do you love your neighbor. It's not talking about the issue of beauty and art. It deals with you drop a ball off a roof, how fast does it fall and what happens if the air is denser, what happens if the mass is the same in the ball but the diameter is less?

When does it reach terminal velocity? It's just looking at phenomena that occur, actions, events, things like this, and then trying to understand it from a purely physical thing. People will put a great deal of trust in science as though science is the thing that helps so many people.

Well, it does help, but it's based upon philosophical positions, for one thing. It's based upon uniformitarianism, which means that it's based upon the idea that the universe behaves the same way everywhere, that the same laws of physics apply everywhere. It's an assumption. It cannot be proven to be true, so it's an assumption. It has, at its basis, a philosophical approach to learning about the material world by assuming something it can't prove. Well, what's the reason for the assumption?

That's a question. That's a philosophy issue. Of course, ultimately, it's a theological one. All right, so they presuppose also the laws of logic so that they can presuppose these universal principles that applies to everyone and that scientists are to use these laws of logic when examining, deducing, correcting, modifying hypotheses and tests in order to get to a theory. But they can't use a scientific method to validate uniformitarianism, the uniformity of nature. And they can't use it to establish the laws of logic because it has to presuppose them in order for the scientific method to work. So, these two basic principles, the assumption that everything operates the same way everywhere and the idea of the laws of logic are the philosophical assumptions along with materialism.

Materialism holds that the only thing that can be truly proven to exist is matter or the effects of things upon matter or energy. And so, because of this, these are the three fundamental aspects of science, materialism, uniformitarianism, and the laws of logic. So, how then do they prove that they are true unless they use something other than the scientific method?

And that's the catch. So, this is what I tell people is that science can be undermined as a panacea, as the thing that is the cure for everything. Because, what really is the issue is the assumptions that are used to validate the scientific method.

The assumptions have to exist in a worldview and then we get into the issue of what worldview is the right worldview by which we can justify those assumptions into which science works. And you'll find out that materialism can't do it. Materialism is a worldview in that all things are composed of material realm and physical phenomenon, including energy and chemical reactions and things like that. Well, the problem with that is that it means that the physical brain is also limited to the laws of physics, chemistry, etc. Well, this means then that the chemical reactions in your brain are necessary. They are necessary chemical reactions. Well, if one chemical state that leads to another chemical state is just simply necessary, how is it then that you can justify the laws of logic or truth values? Now, I could explain that more, but the thing is, it's just chemical reactions. That perspective of materialism refutes itself because materialism says everything operates under the laws of physics, including your brain chemistry, but that means it's necessary chemical reactions. Well, if it's necessary chemical reactions, then how do you know that your necessary chemical reactions are producing truth?

How do you know? It's just chemical reactions and that's the problem. Therefore, materialism casts doubt on itself as a worldview and tends to refute itself.

And this is why it's a problem. So if I teach these principles to the basic Christian, they can go before people and they can show how to undermine the faith that they have in materialism and science. The faith isn't in those things. Their faith ultimately is in the assumptions upon which that they are based. Once they understand that, then they can get into the discussion of what worldview can account for those assumptions.

And then the Christian has a leg up on that discussion. So there you go. There you go. Let's get to Alberto from Savannah, Georgia. Alberto, welcome.

You're on the air, ma'am. Yes. I want to know what's the difference between a Christian and a nominal Christian. Nominal Christian? Well, depending on how we define nominal, it seems to be just that kind of a Christian who says one thing and does another, doesn't live for Christ. That's why I understand it like a carnal Christian, nominal Christian, you know. Doesn't really do much. Doesn't really believe in a whole bunch. That's why I understand it to me.

Okay. Where'd you hear the term? So it wasn't... Because I heard from another pastor, I don't know if you heard about it, but Dr. Carl Broghe, Church of Scriptures, ministry from Beaufort, Carolina, that's called Community Baptist Church, but he mentioned it in his radio program. He got a program just like yours on Tuesday.

He answered a couple questions, called in, sent emails. So I'm not asking him a certain question. He mentioned nominal Christian.

That's why I was confused. What's the definition of it? Okay.

It seems to be those who just say they're Christian but really aren't. That kind of thing. Okay, buddy. There's a break.

Right, man? Hold on. Wait. I have a question for you. After the break, then.

After the break. Okay. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, two open lines, 877-207-2276. Give me a call.

Alberto, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah. Okay. My other question is, how do you balance the four different types of soul you'll mention in the Gospels versus Ephesians chapter 2, verse 8 and 9?

How do you balance them between that? The three kinds of soul? No, no, no, no, no. The four different types of soul you'll mention within the Bible. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't understand one word you keep talking about, but I don't know what it is. Say it again.

The Bible talks about the four different types of soul you'll mention in the Gospels. Wait a second. Oh, soil. Soil. The four kinds of soil. Yeah, soil. Okay. I thought you said soul.

I was like, what? Okay. All right.

No. Okay. Soil versus Ephesians chapter 2, verses 8 and 9. Okay.

How do you balance that? The parable was compared with Ephesians chapter 2, verse 8 and 9. Yeah, it's just, the parables are just meant to basically illustrate one major thing. And so the parable of the four kinds of soil is just the different kinds of people that the Word of God goes to. And some it bears fruit and some it doesn't. Now the why that they're like that, that's a different topic. Okay.

And so it's just a generic kind of a statement about the different kinds of people that are out there. That's all that Jesus is doing there. And then Ephesians 2, 8 and 9, you know, saved by grace through faith. So, no big deal. It's all consistent. I know, but my point today is that because I'm saved, we see the Word with joy, but then when it comes to that persecution, that don't last long.

You know what I mean? Right, because... So other parts and rocks and the depth groups, and it dries up.

Because I don't want to put in good soil, but it produces fruit. So that's my whole point. If you accept the Lord, Ephesians chapter 2, verse 8 and 9, and still be in the category of one of them types of four soils, that's my whole point. After you accept the Lord.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. And so that's in Luke 8, okay? So, you don't want to just say too many things too quickly.

You want to make sure that what you're doing is exegeting the scriptures properly. So the sower went out and some seed fell by the road. It was trampled underfoot. Okay, the birds of the air ate it up. That's not a believer, okay?

Other seed fell in the rocky soil, grew up withered, had no moisture. Now, how does that relate to people? I'm not sure how it's really related. I mean, what kind of people does that? Maybe they just hear it. They walk away, go back to their sin.

I don't know. Other seed fell among thorns, grew up and got choked out. Well, that's the cares of the world, the difficulties.

And then the good soil produced a lot. So he's just talking about the different kinds of people that are out there, okay? Yeah, I know, but we said different kinds of people out there, but some people, they'll come to church, right? They say the Lord.

They all have been joyful. But my opinion, my understanding I think is once a person says the Lord, but then when they start for the cause of Christ, it won't last long because of the persecution of the Word. You know what I mean? Because once a person, so even though you accept the Christ, you stay by faith through grace, but if the person doesn't keep continuing in the faith, you know, or keep following the Lord in a narrow way, and the narrow way, you just say, I'm the way and the life and the truth and the life, but he's the door, but you've got to walk through that narrow way also, keep yourself in the narrow way to follow the Lord. I would say that, you know, Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're saying a lot really fast, so do you have a question about it? But my whole question is, even though you accept the Lord, people could still fall on one of those four types of soil, even though you accept the Lord, that's my whole point.

No, no, no, no, no. If you're a true Christian, it can't be that the first soil is you because there was no fruit born at all. That doesn't work. And the second, you know, they hear for a little bit, and they believe for a little bit, and then temptation comes and they fall away. So they're not true believers.

They can't handle it. See, God knows who's a true believer because he's indwelling them, but we don't. This is a parable for us, for general understanding of the different kinds of people. In this case, we profess faith, at least the last three.

So it's a warning as well to be careful. Jesus is just telling people what the issue is. There are different kinds of people out there, different kinds of faith levels, and from none to very strong, and there's just a degree in between. That's all. That's all that's going on.

So how do you apply that? People who, like the Bible tells us in Hebrew, those who fall away, or those who apostasy, we don't go apostatize the faith. You know, there's been church for years, and people think they were saved. Really, they were doing things.

They're just completely abandoned in the face of God and go back in the world. Right, there's different kinds of people. That's what he's talking about. And each individual situation needs to be examined in detail before we make any generic statements about everybody who might fit into category one, two, three, or four.

Okay. Like example, you know, the great man, the great apologist, you know, Robin, his situation happened to him. Was he really truly saved? Some people say he was, and some people say he was. Well, and I don't know his heart, but it would appear that he was saved and that he fell into sin, and so maybe the Lord took him out.

I don't know. But it was pretty bad, and his hypocrisy was evident, and he brought shame upon the name of Christ. But does it mean he's not saved? I would say not necessarily, but we could make an argument that he never was from the beginning because of some of the things he did, but we could make the argument that he struggled and failed a great deal.

And there's just variations within those. So, you know, without knowing all the personal stuff about him, we can't say. How do you apply the Bible? So he said he who practiced in sin is not the devil.

You know what I mean? He who was practicing would not have heard the kingdom of God. Yes, because those are the ones who are seeking in and living in sin. They're just living in it. They're practicing it.

It's the way they live. Ravi wasn't doing that. Ravi was trying to live a Christian life, and he was caught up in the sexual sin, and so he's not living all in sin, like an atheist or a drug dealer or whatever. They just abide in sin, live in sin. That wasn't Ravi.

So we can't just say he was or wasn't a Christian. Not that easy. All right?

Okay. I'm not making judgment. I'm just saying some people might not.

People do that. Like, for example, my situation, the church I was about to go to, I just make one little commit a simple sin. Not a sin that I committed physically, because I looked at a person, and a person got offended, then the pastor said, Oh, he's not born of God.

He was born in the flesh. You know, he's like basically saying, then the church started throwing, throwing marks on me. Oh, say what we say.

The church member throwing a mark on me and throwing down my face, you know, saying like I was never saved, basically. I mean, or I'm believing, say what we say. What the Bible says, it's a political doctrine, but according to the Pentecostal church, I was like, Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

You got to back the truck up, okay? So you need to focus on one thing at a time instead of jumping all over the place. So I don't know what the situation was at that church, but a lot of pastors and a lot of elders are not very astute when it comes to doctrine. And I can't judge them for what I don't know about them. So that's it. Okay. All right. Oh, all right. All right.

Okay. All right. All right. All right. Thank you. All right, man. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Dave from Kansas City. Dave, welcome.

You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Hi. I had a recent encounter with a friend of yours who had a debate with you two years ago.

Okay. Who's that? His name was Josh Gibbs from Kansas City. I don't know if you remember it or not. What did we debate?

It's been two years. I remember. What did we debate? Debate.

He's an Armenian. We're Calvinists. Okay. What did we debate?

Armenianism, Calvinism, basically debate. Oh, okay. But, yeah. Okay. And I didn't know that until I, you know, I'm not even ahead of his church.

I attended a French church who we were debating Romans and he said, please come to my church because you're going to help because we meet. It's a long story. Okay.

But we met and we became friends up here. Okay. Anyway, but he said he debated you and it was a great, awesome debate. And last night he asked me to, he said, no, you read the debate, you've seen the debate with Matt Slick and you love Matt Slick. You support him and you're on his ministry every night. So tell me, you've got to defend this. You believe in federal headship. Now you've got to defend the federal headship of Christ.

You have to defend the federal headship of the nation and the war and the musics. Oh, man. Amateurs.

Amateurs, amateurs. There was a break... I don't remember the debate. Hold on, we've got a break. We've got a break.

But if this is what he did during the debate, it wasn't pretty good then. So, hold on. We'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. Welcome back to the show, let's see, so the producer activates David again, I can get him back on. I just want to give you a reminder that we have three schools, if you want to check out school of theology, school of apologetics, school of critical thinking.

On Karm you just go to learn.karm.org, learn, l-e-a-r-n dot karm dot org, and you can check it out, Mitchell Leasy, and I wrote all the stuff in there, and it's written simply, but there's some complicated things, but I put them in such an easy way to understand that people just get, that's how I like to communicate, don't need all this highfalutin stuff, and if I use a term I explain it, simple, and thousands of people have gone through the schools and really have enjoyed them. All right, let's get back on the air with, oh I hit the wrong button, hold on a sec, there we go. All right David, you still there? Okay, yeah, he said after we talked about, I said I'm a supporter of Mass Flick, I watch Mass Flick every day, and he's my biggest fan, and he said, but you're an occult member, I said no I'm not, I just- Wait, wait, wait, wait, he said what? He said what? A cult member? He said, I'm an occult, I'm in a Mass Flick, but I said I disagree with you on sensationalism. If he says you're a cult member, then he's saying I'm a cult leader, now the question is am I a Christian according to him, do you see?

I know, anyway. You've got to ask him, are you saying Mass Flick is not a Christian? Listen, no, listen, I said we disagreed on cessationism and that kind of thing, but listen, here's what he said, that if, I believe, he said you have to, this he said last night, he said, if you have to defend federal headship of Adam, that we all died in Adam, then you have to explain how we all were not made alive in Christ within 30 seconds. Oh man, because he didn't die for all, he only bore the sins of the elect, and therefore were made alive in Christ, applies only to the elect, we've got 15 seconds left over. You go back onto that debate, it was a great debate, you guys did a great debate, but yeah, I debated this guy last night, and you debated him two years ago, so. Actually I'm looking at the notes from it, because what I do when I debate someone at setup in advance, is I create a folder, I have a folder system of many, many debates, and I take notes, and I have my notes, from what I've said, my notes are 15 pages of stuff, I mean, I've got his rebuttal, I've got questions, I've got stuff, closing statements. We do it every week, yeah, I'm involved in it now, so that's how the providence of God works, I'm now involved in his life, just the way I'm involved in your life.

Okay, yeah, but you've got to ask him, because this is, this kind of, if he's saying it this way, if he is saying that you're a cult participant, and that, if he's saying, because I believe in limited atonement, that I'm a cultist, then you need to ask him, is Matt Slick saved, you need to just ask him, is he a Christian or not? No, I'm not. Okay. Well, yeah, I know.

Yeah. And he needs to, because if he's going to, if he's going to go out publicly saying I'm not a Christian, for example, then he needs to defend it. No, I don't think, I don't think that way ended up, I don't think it the way it ended up. No, you guys ended up very amicably, nah, yeah, I know, but two years ago you ended up very amically, just to, you know, again, he didn't, all right, you know, again, I don't, I don't see, here's his other thing, when the man, now here's the limited atonement argument he had, that the man walked the whole field to find the pearl of great price.

That means there's unlimited atonement. Now when he, when he quoted that, did you hear by any chance any noises around the area? You know, like a verse being ripped out of its context. I was just, you know, I could just, because if I'd have been in a room and he said that, I got, whoa, did you hear that? Man, that was so loud.

That's one of the loudest I've ever heard. So, it's just, just so lame. Look, this Matthew 13, 44, the kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again in a joy overcoming, sells all that he has to buy the field. This is not about limited atonement, it's not about that. It's about making sure that you get everything just to go to heaven, just to find the heaven.

That's what it's about. And to say he buys the whole field therefore means Jesus bought everyone, so then Jesus bought everyone in order to find the field, something hidden in the field. This guy, if this is how he's thinking, he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. Well, he did not win your argument.

If you go back two years ago, he did not win it. But the thing is, you know, I went to Dallas Bible College and they were a subsidy of Dallas Theological Seminary, and this was in 1983. I mean, we had Charles Ryrie and Norman Geisler in my chapels every week. And I'm out of that book, that's where it came out of. And I can argue that point. And that's what I told him. I said, I can argue that point. You understand that? And he said, no, you know, listen, and I said, so what about this, that Jesus's purchase was the, he was sufficient for the whole world, but efficacious only to the elect. And he said that doesn't work either.

The blood is sufficient, but legally he only bore the sin of the elect. Here's my notes for him. He went over historical views, reformation, et cetera, and he affirms penal substitutionary atonement. So, because he, that's my notes, but he affirms that, which means... And you send it to me, because I would love to debate her, I'm in the debate number every week now. Tell you what, you email me, just email me at nflutkam.org, I'll send you this document and I'll send you another document.

And you're going to love it. And not that, like you said, at the end of it, he's a great guy, sharp kid, he's young. All right. Love you, man.

But I didn't know what he was doing. Right. Okay.

Just email me, nflutkam.org. Okay, man. We'll talk to you later. Yeah, I keep notes on the people I debate when I do a formal debate, it's a range ahead of time than I do an opening statement. But lately, I've not been doing very many debates, because I'm so busy. And so what I've been doing more recently is having a debate where the other person goes first.

Just go first, because otherwise I may not want to do it, because I don't have time to do all this stuff. I mean, literally, I was swamped today till five minutes before the radio show. And I got so much to do. I'm actually arranging if people want to talk to me while I'm driving tonight. I've got to drive to another city for a little while, and stuff.

But anyway, just trying to work it out. So I keep these notes, and I've been doing this for a long time, and I've got two, three, four years of notes from varying individuals. And so what I want to do now is if people want to debate me, say, okay, well, debate, and with a generic topic, and then let them go. And then I just usually respond to their opening statement. And I can develop my opening statement while I'm listening to theirs. And that's what I do most of the time now, because I've done debates where I prep for two, three weeks. Now, if it's a more prominent debate, say it's a national person, a national atheist or something like that, oh, I'll debate them. I will prep up.

I'll take a couple of months. And that's what I did with, oh, man, I had his name right there. Oh, I can't remember his name. Anyway, I've done prominent debates with three very prominent debates in the United States.

Oh, man, I hate it when I forget the name. So anyway, I read his books, read two or three of his books, and I got quotes. And I listened to probably five or 10 hours of debates that he did, and, man, I put stuff together.

I extracted stuff. I said, you said this over here? He said, oh, man, I had him swimming backwards. Dan Barker, Dan Barker, that was the guy I debated.

And then there was also Matt DeLaHante I debated and Eddie Tabash and others. All right, let's get on it with Charles from Ohio. Hey, Charles, welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Matt. How are you, sir? Doing all right, man.

By God's grace. What do you got, buddy? So I wanted to talk to you about preterism. I've followed you for a while, and I'm under the impression that you consider yourself to be a partial preterist, is that right?

That's correct. Okay. Well, I consider myself to be a full preterist. So my question, I've asked numerous partial preterists this, and I haven't got a sufficient answer.

At least I don't think it's been sufficient. So do you believe that heaven and earth have passed away? No. No. That's correct.

Okay. So in Matthew 5 18, Jesus says, Truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. So he's linking heaven and earth passing away with the law. So if heaven and earth haven't passed away, then that means the law is still in effect. Are you asking about a demonstration to support preterism or just another question?

No, I'm asking a straightforward question. If heaven and earth haven't passed away, then that means, according to Matthew 5 18, then that means the law hasn't passed away, correct? Not necessarily, because if the law states in it that certain criteria must be met and that it will be abrogated upon the arrival of the Messiah, then the Old Testament law would still be in effect, particularly, for example, in you all the nations shall be blessed.

That's Genesis 12 3, which is quoted by Paul in Galatians 3 8. So it's called the gospel. So that aspect of that Old Testament law is still in effect. But certain aspects and subcategories of the law can be fulfilled and be done away with. For example, the priestly law is no longer necessary because the high priest Christ has fulfilled that law. The moral law, however, cannot be abrogated and done away with because it's related to the nature of God. And so nine of the Ten Commandments are reiterated in the New Testament and the Sabbath is not because Jesus is our Sabbath. So the law is still here.

What he's talking about here in Matthew 5 is two-covenant Israel, and he's talking generically, wisdom statements about, look, the law is going to be here, nothing's going to pass away, it's going to be there. And so when we look at it generically, okay, no problem. You look at it specifically, what parts of the law? Because there's three main categories, judicial, there's priestly, and then there's moral. And then those have categories within themselves as well.

So there's a lot there, okay? Yeah but he said not an iota nor a dot. So obviously he's talking about the Mosaic law in totality.

That's what he came to fulfill, correct? An iota, not a letter of stroke, is the smallest little things of the Hebrew writing, little bitty marks. And it's like a dot of an i, okay, a dot of an i, not even a dot of an i will pass away until all the law is accomplished. He's just saying that the word of God is secure and it's true, it's not going to be undone. Now what aspect, because you're a preterist, alright, do we need temple sacrifices right now?

No we don't. Okay, do you think Jesus was aware that the temple would be destroyed in 70 AD and that he is the fulfillment of the temple requirements? Of course he did. And he prophesied in Matthew 24, 25. So he knows that. He knew that when he was saying that, right? Right?

Well I think we need to get a specific definition of what the law is in Matthew 5.18. There you go. That's the right approach, but we're out of time. You have to call back Friday because I won't be on live tomorrow, okay? We're out of time buddy, but good stuff, alright? Thank you. Alright man, God bless. Hey folks, I'll be back on Friday live, I've got an appointment tomorrow, I won't be on live in the air. Another program powered by the Truth Network.