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You can also go to YouTube and look up Mats Lick Live and you'll find a channel there too. People get in and a lot of chat. It's live chat, so we've actually developed some friendships out of some of those. Pretty cool. Alright, so the Hamas stuff. We'll talk about that a little bit. I'm just going to say it right out.

Me, I just jumped right in. Islam is not a religion of peace, ladies and gentlemen. People will say that, but it's not.

They're either lying to you or they're ignorant. That's just it. Islam does teach violence and it does teach destruction. It does teach the subjugation of the world. And it just does. People just don't know this. What I'm going to do is read some information about Islam.

Some statistics. Oh, I've got a yawn coming on. Sorry about that.

Oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man. So, when Muslims become part of the population of a country, the country gets more deadly. That's what happens.

And the reason is because the Quran in Surah 9 teaches violence. And so what I'm going to do, let me share my screen here. I get in late to the show. So what I'm going to do right now is share my screen for the people who want to see. And we'll do this.

Oh, come on, there we go. And I am going to just share some stuff on Islam. I think I can get to that right there and it'll still do the Islam thing. I'm going to go to Surah 9 and read out of what it says, what the Quran actually says. It is a bad religion.

It's an evil religion. And it is. I know that this is not what a lot of people want to hear, but it is.

So, people are going to know. I'm so tired of the politically correct crud that goes on. Don't offend anybody.

Don't say anything negative. It's just a way of hiding truth. And it's really sad. But anyway, look, so this is how it works in Islam, in the Quran. There are 114 surahs or chapters. Roughly they're arranged from the biggest to the smallest, not chronological. And the last one is 114.

Excuse me. But Surah chapter 9 is the second to last surah. It's the second to last that was written. This is important because it means, then, that the one that's after it, which is only like three or four surah ayat verses long, it doesn't say anything that's of any importance. It just says, you know, surah allah, blah, blah, blah.

And there's nothing really there. So, because it says, seek refuge from the Lord, the King, the God, mischief. So, that's not the last surah. And I keep talking about this, what's the last surah, is because the last surah is the one that is the final word.

The second to last is the final word unless it is corrected or modified by the one that comes after it chronologically. Not by the arrangement in the Quran, but chronologically. So, surah 9 is the second to last surah written. And the very last surah doesn't abrogate, remove, change, or alter, or prevent anything in surah 9. And this is what it says in surah 9-5, but when the forbidden months are passed, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them and seize them, beleaguered them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem. But if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for allah is oft forgiving, most merciful. So, when you talk about this, the Muslim defenders of their faith, what they'll do is they'll say, that's under certain circumstances, and it doesn't mean that they go out and be the aggressors.

Yes, it does. Because one of the things they won't tell you is that the imam, the dominant imam in the area will interpret it and decide to tell you what it means in that context at that time. So, the meanings can change. And then you have what's called the tasfir. And those are the commentaries that are done by Muslims.

And you'll find a host of different interpretations. One of the things that's important to understand is that the imams are the ones who interpret it and tell Muslims what to do. And so surah 9 is the final revelation of allah, they say, believe through Muhammad to the Muslims in regard to fighting and war.

There's nothing else after that. So, it says in verse 14, Fight them and allah will punish them by your hands. Cover them with shame, help you to victory over them.

Heal the breasts of believers. And then in surah 29, Fight those who believe not in allah. Now, I was on the set of ABN Sat TV, and a guy named Daqduq. I should get him on the air sometime.

Maybe I'll do that. Maybe I'll just call him up and see if he can come on the air tomorrow or this week and talk about what Islam is teaching. He speaks Arabic and he goes about teaching.

I mean, he knows stuff. He's forgotten more in the past 20 minutes than I've ever learned on Islam. We were sitting on the set during a break, and he said that the word fight there in surah 929, Fight those who believe not in allah nor the last day. The word fight there means to kill.

Fight to kill. So, fight those who believe not in allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by allah and its apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth. So, Islam does teach this.

Now, luckily, only 18% of the population of Muslims reads the Quran in its original language, and so the Quran has been watered down for English, been watered down for other languages. But those who read Arabic, who truly understand it and read the Quran and believe it are given over to them by demonic forces, those are the ones you've got to be careful of because they're the ones who will take this literally and go out and kill people. And Hamas, which is a version of ISIS, is really bad, and if you guys have heard the news, when they first came in, they killed a lot of babies.

They killed children. So, Israel is going to take care of it. Israel is very organized, and they live in a hotbed. They have their guards up all the time. They have a well-trained military.

And they will clean house. Now, Egypt said that if America gets involved, then Egypt's going to have to get involved. This is what I heard in a cursory thing as stated by the Egyptian ambassador. But, you know, things change pretty quickly. I heard that a couple of days ago, and Egypt was trying to warn the United States to get involved, and so some of the pundits are talking about this kind of thing, and could it be leading into World War III?

You know, you never know. I mean, it could, because China and Russia are not friends of the United States, and they, in their communist atheistic view, have no problem with replacing godliness and humility with pride, selfishness, and control, which is what those regimes do as what communism is. It's an ungodly anti-Christ religious movement, even though they say it's not religious, but it is. It's bowing to the state.

The state has the final authority. Now, as a matter of fact, it reminds me of something because I was watching a special recently, the past couple of nights, La Luz del Mundo, Spanish for the Light of the World, and it's a cult. The Knights of Trinity, the deity of Christ, salvation by works, baptism necessary for salvation.

It started out in Guadalajara, Mexico. So the thing that was interesting is, as I was listening to the adherents who came out of it, and we're talking about the abuse, sexual abuse, from the leader and talking about mind control and stuff like that. Here's the thing. Cults, and you don't think just cults as in religion, but think of cults also in political things, in the secular system. The basic view is like this, the basic analysis can be that people are, think of them as sheep who like to be led around and provided for.

If you get the children young, you can brainwash them. The idea of cults as well as political movements, let's just say some of the bad ones, is to have loyalty to the party. Now you've got to think about that in terms of America with Democrats, Republicans, the loyalty to the party. Loyalty to the party. In the Nazi Germany, you had to be loyal to the party, the Nazi party. And if you weren't loyal to the Nazi party, as the number one thing to be loyal to, above your God, above your parents, above your children. This is what communism pushes. This is what strict socialism pushes also. And this is what's starting to happen in America, in that if you have individualism, like you have the idea that you want to believe in Jesus Christ over Caesar, over the Biden crime family or the FBI that you can't trust anymore, then they might come get you. They might do things to you. We're not quite there in America as much, but it is starting to happen.

And there are lots of documentaries, or I should say incidents, anecdotes, of our own government being oppressive towards people for no particular reason. So this kind of a thing is coming. But nevertheless, the idea here of cult behavior is, another thing is called snapping. Snapping is when you have a mental break. It can be good or bad, but it's a shift, a sudden permanent shift to a belief system. So it can happen, the Democrats are always the best, and the Republicans are always evil, or vice versa. Or Christianity is evil, or atheism is evil, or blacks are evil, or whites are evil, or whatever it is. And you can have the snapping phenomenon, it's a psychological phenomenon that occurs along with cults, whether secular or sacred, and it's where they just suddenly get convinced of something and it's very, very difficult to get them out, and then they filter all facts and actualities and potentialities through that worldview. And once you get a person into a cult, it's difficult to get them out. So with Islam, they're taught, many of them, particularly in the Hamas area and some other areas of Iran, they're taught to hate Jews and Christians.

And so from the childhood up, now they snap early on, and when adults snap, it's difficult to get them out. So this kind of a thing can happen in religious systems, but it can also happen in secular systems. And when this happens, then your loyalty is no longer to the Lord Jesus Christ, it's to a secular system, or a religious system that is secularized, like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and false religious systems that want your loyalty to the system. I listen to Catholic radio.

I'm going quickly because a break's coming up soon. I listen to Catholic radio and it says, come home to the Church, come home to the truth of the Catholic Church, and they associate truth and salvation with their Church. And this is what happens. Truth is associated with the Democratic Party, or the Republican Party, or the Communist Party, or the Socialist Party, or it's associated with the religion of Islam and the Hamas or ISIS or whatever it is. This happens all over the place. And one of the ways to produce this is to dumb down the population, to teach them not to think critically. This is happening in our schools. They're taught to think emotionally, with reactions, without thinking critically, without using evidence and logic, and the secularization of our media and everything else.

And you get people snapping all over the place and you get false religious systems. Hey, how about that for an opening? Hey, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everyone, welcome to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. And if you don't want to call, but you can e-mail me at info at karm.org.

And just in the subject line, put like radio question or radio comment. And I'll know to focus on that pretty quickly and easily. All right, let's get to Clarice from North Carolina. Welcome.

Hey, Matt, how are you? Hey, thank you for taking my call. Well, you're welcome.

Thanks for calling. Okay, my question is I've heard different pastors through the years say that the Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional and that the Davidic Covenant was conditional and that once Israel sinned and broke the covenants that God had given them, that they no longer had the right to claim that land. And I just wondered what you believe the Bible teaches about that. I believe they still have the right of the land because it was a promise of the land in Genesis 15 and 17 where God said to Abraham that he had given them a certain area and that it would be theirs, it would belong to them. And he says, this is what he says, I will give to you, this is Genesis 17, 8, I will give to you and your descendants after you the land of your sojourners, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession and I'll be their God.

So that's what it says, everlasting, and so the land belongs to Israel. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And not the Muslims at false religion.

Yeah. Well, I believe that as well. I have just heard from pastors in the past that they believe that once Israel broke the covenant that he gave to the conditional covenant that was given to Solomon, that once they did that, they lost their, I guess, rights, for lack of a better word, their rights to have that, which I haven't truly believed that, but I've just heard that and that's why I wanted your position on that. So there's conditional and unconditional covenants and the covenant that God made with Abraham is unconditional. It doesn't depend on Abraham's faithfulness. God just says, this is what I will do. And so, for example, if we were to go to, let's see, get in here. Let's go here to Genesis 15, 18. Okay. On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, before he was Abraham, to your descendants, I have given this land from the river to Egypt, as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, that Canaanite, Canaanite goes on a bunch of groups and there's no condition there.

I'm just doing this. And that's what he says. And so, in Genesis 12, 2, there's a promise of the descendants and also, here's something else that they might want to consider. Genesis 12, 3, and God says, I will bless you.

I will bless those who bless you and the ones who curse you I will curse and in you all the families of the earth will be blessed. That's Genesis 12, 3. So that's a promise that God made to Abraham. Now, if Abraham broke covenant or the people of Israel broke the covenant, then is that promise also redacted now and no longer valid? Well, of course not because that's quoted by Paul in Galatians 3, 8. He calls it the gospel.

So for those who say that Abraham, the people of Israel rejected the Messiah and therefore broke the covenant and there are no more conditions that God's obligated to keep by his own word, I would totally disagree with them. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, that's my only question.

Okay. So those people who say that are often into what's called replacement theology. And you want to ask if they hold to dispensationalism and or replacement theology. Replacement theology is, well, Israel blew it. The church replaces Israel. That's the short version. Replacement theology.

You want to ask that. Dispensationalism is the view which I do not hold to, but it's the view that God works in dispensations. A dispensation is a period of time. Usually signified at the beginning of an ending by certain theological events, like the fall. Before that, it was the age of grace or something like this. I forget what they call it.

And then after that, the age of fallenness and then the age of redemption. They have these things, and I'm misquoting them, but I've done research on them. I get on my website and I've gone through the experts who say this and I don't talk about it very often. That's why I don't have all the categories memorized. But this is what they say. And so they look at epics of time as the dividers between beginning and ending of certain events. And so they're dispensational. So the dispensation of Israel is replaced by the dispensation of the church, things like that.

So find out what their assumptions are, if they're replacement theologians and or if they hold to dispensationalism. Well, do you believe that, well, I believe that Israel was God's chosen people in the Old Testament, and I believe in the New Testament that all of the born-again people that believe in Jesus are the chosen ones. Yes. That's what I believe the Bible teaches. Yes, there's a different sense of chosen. I don't know that that's related to dispensationalism. Well, okay, there's a different sense of chosen because the Christians have been chosen or the elect have been chosen for salvation.

Right. That's 2 Thessalonians 2, 13, Ephesians 1, 4, and 5. So that's choosing for salvation. But Israel as a nation was chosen by God to be a nation. It doesn't mean all the individuals in that nation were then chosen to be elect. So there's two different senses of being chosen. So God chose generically the nation of Israel to do certain things. They messed up a lot, and then individuals are chosen, and they're going to be eternally saved.

But they still mess up a lot. You hang around with me, you'll find that one out. That's for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, well, I just, for myself and my mind, I just, you know, I believe what you teach and what the Bible teaches, that God's chosen elect before the foundation of the world. And I just sort of, in my mind, I compare it to, you know, in the Old Testament, he chose Israel, and he had them slay everybody else, everybody. And in the New Testament, he chooses his bride. And that's kind of, but I know the Jews are part of that. You know, the Jewish people say it's all nationalities.

But that's my comparison when I'm, you know, trying to get a point across about the elect, because people have a hard time, in some of my circles, comprehending, you know, God has an elect people, or chose somebody to be elect, and then they get into the thing, well, did he choose them to go to hell? And I don't want to get into that with you now, but I'm just making a point. Right. Just think of this. Think of this.

God chose nation as a group, and he elects individuals for salvation. Okay? Okay.

Great point. Thank you very much. All right. Well, God bless.

Thanks. Hey, folks, we have wide open lines. Give me a call. 877-2276. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right.

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Info at CARM.org. C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Just put in the subject line radio question or radio comment, and I can get to them. All right. Let's get to Valiant from northeast Indiana. Hey, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Yes, I can.

Awesome. You just said you don't, I guess, hold the dispensationalism or, you know, replacement or covenant theology. No, I'm a covenant analyst.

I don't hold a replacement. Yeah, go ahead. So, yeah, I'm pretty ignorant on this whole matter. I was just kind of curious what, I guess, yeah, what are your views? What do you think, you know, Israel's, you know, what do they, what does God still have them chosen for or just, yeah, I was kind of curious to your perspective on it.

Sure. So there is the view that the Christian church has replaced Israel. And so if you go to Romans chapter 11, starting at verse 25, it says, for I do not want you brethren to be uninformed of this mystery so that you will not be wise in your own estimation that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved just as it is written. The deliverer will come from Zion. He will remove ungodliness from Jacob. This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.

So I'll read the next a little bit too because it's kind of interesting. From the standpoint of the gospel, they are enemies for your sake, but for the standpoint of God's choice, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. And so I don't believe God's done with Israel. And they blew it with the rejection of the Messiah.

They've had all kinds of problems for centuries because of it. And when the time of the Gentiles is done, then Israel is going to awaken. And so that's what I see in scripture. God's not done with Israel. So you think when Paul says all Israel will be saved, you think that's referring to all ethnic Israel?

Yeah, I think this is my opinion. I'm not an expert on this, but I believe that, or lean strongly to, I should say, that Israel will be converted nationally. Jews all over the world are going to convert, and the 144,000 male virgin Jews are going to go out preaching and teaching.

And that's what the Bible talks about, 12,000 for every tribe. There are different interpretations I'll grant, but that's what I see it as being. God's done with Israel, and he's going to bless them. That's my opinion.

Okay. And so, I mean, yeah, I guess obviously the Jewish people are kind of scattered around the earth now. Do you think even their country, you know, the land has significance too?

Absolutely. As we were talking about in the previous caller, Genesis 17, talks about the land that is given to Israel and to Abraham and his descendants. So, I'll give you to you and your descendants after you the land of your sojournings, and I'll be their god, it says.

And so it's a nonconditional one. It's just to be given by God to them, he says, as an everlasting possession, and I'll be their god. You shall keep my covenant, etcetera. It's my covenant. You shall keep between me and your descendants. Every male has to be circumcised.

They're still circumcised, and they're males for one thing. But the land belongs to Israel. That's it.

The Muslims are wrong. Okay. Yeah.

You there? Okay. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I'm not looking to argue. I was just curious. Yeah. It's okay. It's just my view, and maybe I'm wrong.

You know, I've been corrected before, and I'm sure a lot more is common. So you'd call that, what would you call that kind of theology? Covenantal theology.

Is that you? Just covenantalism. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. You've got to understand, within covenantal theology, you have dispensational leaning people. Within dispensational theology, you have covenantal leaning people. So if you were to say, on the one side, pure dispensational, and on the other side, pure covenantal, you know, dispensational God works only in certain dispensations, not covenantally, and then covenant might say, the far, far side, you know, only covenantally, not with dispensation. And then you can, and they're all Christians, but then you can kind of blend it towards the middle, and there's people all along that line in different views. This is how it is, you know?

So, you know, you can't trust a guy in a radio named Slick, so you've got to do your own thing. I guess my, I don't know if I'd heard this, but I kind of thought that, yeah, I guess I kind of subscribed to replacement theology as far as that the church was not necessarily replacing Israel, but it was kind of just a new, like, continuation of those promises. Yeah, I see that too. We're doing what Israel is supposed to be doing, but... Yeah. But don't get too proud, Mr. Christian, you know, that kind of thing, you know, because, you know, it's covenantally done with Israel, and when he awakens Israel, oh, boy, it's going to be incredible. It's going to be awesome. So I'm looking forward to that if I'm around still. I'm getting old, you know, getting really old.

So, you know, who knows? But I'm going to try to stand out as long as I can. Yeah, I heard you say... Go ahead. Heard you, how old, you feel like you're like 67 or something? Yeah, I'll be 67 at the end of the year, and, you know, but I keep myself in shape because my stomach muscles are in really good shape because I go into the bathroom in the morning and look in the mirror, and I flinch, and it just tenses everything up, and it gets you in shape. So that's what happens, you know, and so I'm in good shape that way.

Yeah, that's funny. I heard you mention that the other day, and I couldn't believe it. I thought you sounded a lot younger than that, but... Yeah, and, you know, I'm really blessed because we don't have anybody waiting, but I took my wife to the doctor today, and I'm walking. I stand up straight. I walk quickly.

I don't have any aches and pains. I can run, jump. You know, I work at the gym. I'm just very, very, very fortunate that I'm in such good shape at my age. I could go out and walk five miles, and, you know, it wouldn't be exactly a breeze, but I can do it.

It's not a problem. I can walk five miles right now, so, you know. So I'm very blessed, and I want to be able, and I'm still mentally awake most of the time. I still have a good brain going, and I want to just use it for the glory of God as much as I can. So there you go, you know. That's it.

Yeah, sounds great. Well, there are people who say that I don't act my age, though. 12 to 15 range, some of them said, but, you know, that's just what it is. What do they know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm right. They're wrong.

So there you go. I have noticed that the people calling your show kind of either love you or hate you, it seems like. That's usually how it is. Well, when you're right so much, like I am, you can see why people don't like me. You see? All right, man.

Well, hey, thanks for having me on. All right, man. See you.

God bless. Yeah, have a good one. Okay. Now, as you guys can tell, I like having fun, okay? I'll make fun of myself, and I'll just say stupid stuff like that. You know, like I'll talk to people, and they'll say, that's right. They'll say, man, you know this, you know that. You go, don't forget how humble I am. People don't say it.

I have to remind them. So, you know, a lot of fun. And my wife, to this day, after almost 36 years of marriage, she still rubs her forehead a lot. When I'm around her, I wonder why that is. But, you know, she makes these weird groaning sounds a lot. So she's got issues. She has got issues. And she needs us to listen to me more, and then she'll be fine just like me.

Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Isn't that right, Charlie? You know my wife.

She should listen to everything I say, right? He's nodding his head, that's right, because Charlie, I've known Charlie for like 43 years, you know. And he's a good guy. And so, anyway, to one of the helpers we've got, a lot of good guys. All right, let's get to Imias from Florida. Welcome, you're on the air.

Hi, Matt. The two questions, and you may have already addressed it, but I just turned you on. How does it fit into any prophecy with Ezekiel's War? I know we're in the end times, but is this a sign that we're closer, and how should we be praying for Israel from God's point of view?

It's a good question. So what I would say is that the generic idea of Israel being persecuted in the nations coming against Israel is prophetic. Now, there is a prophecy where it says every nation will be gathered against Israel, and America's not against Israel yet. So I would say that since that's not happened yet, which it's going to, that Ezekiel stuff is not quite fulfilled in what's happening right now. Israel's going to clean Hamas' clock, and the world won't like it, but they're going to take care of it. And then we'll see what happens.

Hopefully it won't escalate. Hey, can you hold on? We've got a break. Okay. Hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. If you want, give me a call.

We've got three open lines. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the last part of the show. Man, it's gone by quickly.

Man, well, you know, quick and slick. Hey, let's get back to Amias. Welcome back on. Are you still there? Yep, I'm here. Okay. So anyway, we just kind of hit the break right there.

You got anything else you want to add at all? No, just how we should pray for Israel right now. Yeah, we should. And how do you think God wants us to pray? You pray for God's will, first of all. Always that God's will will be accomplished and that you ask God to tell you what his will is and to reveal it better. And we always want to pray for God's will, not our will. And so along those lines, you can pray as best you understand according to the scriptures. God, that you would bless the people that you have covenanted with in the nation of Israel and bring them into salvation and protect them and deliver them. And may even those in Hamas be delivered into salvation through the Messiah.

May Israel come to know that Messiah and the gospel go forth, you know, and to just ask God for those kinds of things. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.

God bless. Sure. Okay.

Well, thanks for calling. All right. Okay. All right. Let's get to Alberto from Georgia.

Alberto, welcome. You're on the air, man. Yeah. All right.

Good evening, Max. I know you don't believe in the pre-trib and all that. Right. How do you spread the word, the word caught up in the first Thessalonians 4?

It's easy. Post-trib. Yeah, post-trib rapture.

We're going to go through it. There's only one return of Christ. There's not two.

There's not one and a half. He doesn't come down halfway and then return with people. That's not in the scripture. There's just one return, the return of Christ. That's how the Bible talks. And so when we who are alive are alive, it says to put it this way. Verse 16, for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, with the trumpet of God, that dead in Christ will arise first. This is when Christ comes back.

There is nothing in the scripture that says two returns or one and a half returns or a partial return. Nothing like that. It's just not there.

I just challenge anybody. Show me where it is. I mean, if he's thinking, they come down to the clouds, kind of gets the people and it goes back up because we'll meet him in the clouds. If this is pre-tribulation rapture, as people like to say, then that means that Jesus comes down in the clouds because it says the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, with the trumpet of God, that dead in Christ will rise first. And it says that we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with him in the clouds. So, then that would have to say, if they're going to believe in pre-trib rapture, that he comes down in the clouds, we go up into the clouds to meet him, and then they go up. But that's a problem.

The reason it's a problem is because of this. When you go to Acts chapter 1, verse 9, after he had said these things, he was lifted up while they were looking on and a cloud received him out of their sight, which is Jesus ascending into heaven. And as they were gazing intently into the sky while he was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They also said, men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you in heaven, will come in just the same way as you've watched him go into heaven.

That's how he's coming back, is from the clouds. So, if 1 Thessalonians 4 says, well, the preacher of rapture view would have to be, he comes back part way, hovers in the clouds, gets people, then goes back to heaven with them. Where's that in the Bible? It's not there.

It's just not there. How do you explain what the Bible talks about when he comes back with a vestrum dipped in his thigh with blood, and he's a king of kings, and he comes back with a white horse? Revelation. Yeah, he's coming back in judgment. That's consistent with everything happening on the day of the Lord.

So, look, let me show you something here. So, you go to 2 Peter 3, 10. I'm going to read that, and I'm going to go back to 1 Thessalonians 4. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. Now, there's one day of the Lord that comes like a thief. The day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its work will be burned up. So, the day of the Lord that comes like a thief is when the new heavens and new earth are made. Now, let's go back to 1 Thessalonians 4, 16, and keep reading. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore, comfort one another with these words. Now, as to the times and the epics, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you, for you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Now, here it says, in the night, but the other one doesn't say that. Now, I've got reasons for that, but the idea is the day of the Lord comes like a thief.

That's it. And so, if you look at these verses, you'll see that the rapture occurs the same day that the new heavens and new earth are made. And, where's pre-trib rapture?

Where's the pre-trib thing where he comes down in the clouds, stops there, gets people, and goes back up? And, it's just, I'm really surprised, seriously, I'm really surprised that pre-trib rapture stuff is not done with already. I mean, I get it that in the early days of pre-trib rapture philosophy and teaching that everyone jumped on it because it would fit the American way. You know, we're safe, we're secure, we're privileged, and it just fits. We're going to be raptured out of here, we're not going to have to suffer. That's just the American way. That's how we understand, well, that's going to be changing. But, you know, in most people over the world, most Christians are suffering for their faith.

America's kind of, to some degree, an anomaly, but nevertheless. So, this is what's going to happen, and where is it that the pre-trib stuff exists? Well, when you look at Scripture, you know, two men in the field, one is taken, one is left, Matthew 24, Luke 17, that's not the rapture, that's the wicked who are taken. And I challenge anybody to go look at the context. Matthew 24, Luke 17, as it was in the days of Noah, you know, two men in the field, one is taken, one is left, go take a look, just go look. A hundred percent of the time people say, it's not the rapture, the rapture occurs as this different place. That's about the wicked being taken.

That's what it tells me. Why is it that people can't get this? How come the pastors aren't teaching this? It bothers me to no end. Why are they going on and teaching something out of those verses, you know, two men in the field, one is taken, one is left, that's the rapture.

It is not. And they can't even get it together enough to figure that out. That scares me. What else are they missing? You know, putting the word of God under their traditions.

Oh, that scares me. So, in a Jewish concept, on Jesus' day, they understand it like you understand it, right? I don't know if they did, but I'm just telling you what I believe out of Scripture. And I've had debates with people and preachers, you know, friendly stuff, you know, I hope they're right. I really do.

But I show them stuff and they're like, wow, I never saw that before. I know, you know, and it's just, I wish people would get off, just get off this stuff and start believing that we're going to be going through persecution and that we need to prepare ourselves and we need to be seeking the will of God in all of this and not have this escapist mentality where we become apathetic about the world around us. We're supposed to be out there preaching and teaching and evangelizing and supporting missionaries in this country as well, supporting churches. And the churches should not be sitting there stinking, playing Bethel music and all this other crap music that goes in because of these heretics and making people feel good, babysitting them with a hammock theology and make them feel good. And you go out to the restaurant and you get served. Come on.

Jesus would pick up your cross daily and follow after me. That's what we're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Here in Savannah, I must be honest, I've been giving out, you know, paper, a dollar tree, I buy a pack of 100-pack, a note pack, and I write down with your website and I write other Christian website and give them out to people in the buzz and all over the place.

Good. And the times I've been doing it, I don't see other people doing it. They don't evangelize. They just don't.

That's right. The churches are not doing it. They're not putting in a great commission in Christ. And that's because their love of others has gone cold. That's why they're not out evangelizing. They have love for themselves, love for their brethren, love for the church, but not for the lost. And people are going to hell.

And the love of the believers is largely going cold in that they don't realize the severity of the eternal damnation that's coming upon the unbelievers. We need to get that gospel out. And we need to support ministries and people who do this. I used to know a guy, full time, he goes evangelizing, goes to campuses, goes all over the country. We should have churches supporting guys like that and girls. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. The churches today, the American Christian today, they have church service on Sunday morning, or the Wednesday night, Tuesday night, and they hear the sermon, and that's it, and they go home. Or they go to the buffet after Sunday service, and that's it. They don't have no concern for evangelizing. Or they're afraid, they're ashamed. Or they're apathetic towards the things of God, I guess.

I don't know what the real problem is. Yeah, that's true. But there are people who evangelize. There are people who believe in tithing and supporting ministries and churches, and praise God for them, because they're there, and there's lots.

But the church as a whole in America is failing, and it's failing to do its job. The churches need to band together and have a local apologist that does a circuit through different churches and teaches, and teaches people doctrine, and teaches them stuff like that, and how to evangelize. I've thought about it with churches.

I have 10 churches that just support me a little bit if they want, and I just rotate Sunday to Sunday at different churches and do Q&A and do equipping. It's a great idea, but churches don't want to do that, because, no, we can't cross-pollinate. We can't have someone in there like, you might say something to this church, and we... Yeah, I know, I know. They're too big with the churchy stuff. Churchy stuff. I just think we should be aggressive as Christians. We should be out there working and doing things.

There's lots of ways that can be done, and moms staying home, having kids, and raising them for the glory of God is one of those ways. But we need to be aggressive in a polite, loving, godly way with our faith in all areas, in all areas, participating in the deeds of darkness. That's our command from Christ. So, Christians need to do it and stop being so stinking comfortable and preach of rapture and their church's nice pews and perfect bulletins and then coffee cake and everything that makes them comfortable. You know? I mean, these things are okay, and I like those things too, but, you know, come on. And if you don't feel confident evangelizing, tied to the church and or ministries, they reach out. That's okay, you know?

That's what I say. Yeah, I give them all over. I give thousands of tracts, 70 school bullets after the big news in the class, came out to people.

I mean, all kind of, any kind of method I can reach you with. Give them to people, put the church phone number or write your website, Christian websites and such. At least they get to get exposed or at least to the gospel. That's the main thing. I don't preach like I stay with a bullhorn because most people are too busy moving here and there, so I probably just give them information.

That way they can go home on their own time. They can, you know, write a lot of information on their website. There's the music, buddy. All right. Well, thanks for calling again, man. All right. God bless. God bless. Okay, Alberto. God bless, man.

That was Alberto. He calls Herbert regularly. He's a good guy. Hey, we're out of time.

I just heard one of Matt's rants. And if you want to call me, you've got to wait until tomorrow. And by God's grace, you can well be on the earth at 10. I hope you all have a great evening. May the Lord bless you. Talk to you tomorrow. Bye.