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And if you want, if you want to get in via, let's see, let's see, let's see, I think this one is right there. If you want to, if you don't want to call, but you want to send me an email, all you got to do is email me at info at karm.org, info at karm.org. Easy to do, and then I can read your comment or question on the air, real easy. Okay, now we've got a couple of callers. And by the way, so last night I was, I did a three hour stint on Clubhouse.

And if any of you were there and you heard a discussion we had on Annihilationism, I'd like to hear your comments on that because I thought it was an interesting conversation, we really had that with somebody who's smart, educated, and if you heard, I'd like to hear your comments. Hey, let's just get on the air with Jay from Ohio. Jay, welcome, you're on the air. Jay, I hit the right button, don't know if he's, if it's working. Hello, are we having a problem?

Let's see, sometimes we do have problems. I'm going to put him on hold and go to the other guy. Let's see, let's try Jamal in North Carolina.

Jamal, welcome, you're on the air. Okay, I guess we're having phone problems like we do sometimes. Hopefully, yeah, it's working there and that's working. I don't know what's going on, so maybe they can tell me in the stack what it is. I don't know, let's try this again. Jay from Ohio, hey, are you there? Can you hear me? Hey, there we go.

I had a little bit of an issue, it's all done. Okay. All right, man, what do you got, buddy? What's up?

Hey, Mr. Slick, I had a question for you, man. I'm going through 1st and 2nd Samuel in my Bible reading plan right now. Something that caught my eye here. Something that caught my eye here, Saul, Jonathan's father, he is of the tribe of Benjamin, right? And through 1st Samuel, he's kind of chasing down and persecuting David.

David being obviously like, I guess more or less, you would say like a type for Christ or like a precursor to Christ before he arrived. Something that caught my eye though, Saul of Tarsus in the New Testament is also said to be of the tribe of Benjamin, and he's also persecuting Christ through his church. I was just wondering if you, are you familiar with any like parallel between those two things, or is that just kind of like a tribe of Benjamin thing, it's like a common name or something like that?

Well, that's a good question. And no, I'm not aware, but now you got me curious because tribe of Benjamin. And what I can do is look, sometimes there's, let's see, tribe of descent is predictions, respecting, persons, selected from, strength of, formed, the rear of the 3rd Division and camp on the west side, offering at dedication, family, strength. I'm looking for as a clue, it may or may not be there, I'm just looking for a clue because sometimes you find something like Benjamin rejected blah, blah, blah, you know, the ways of the Lord, and there was a curse associated.

Just looking for something like that, top of my head, I'm looking in my new topical textbook on my computer on my computer, and going through it has a lot of stuff about the tribe of Benjamin, and I don't see anything very numerous captains appointed over remain faithful, see it says remain faithful, of Judah. So, I don't know. That's a good question though. Okay.

That's a good question. Yeah. Yeah, it just kind of caught my eye.

No, it's a good thing. Those are the kind of things, you know, I'll be reading and I'll see the same thing, I'll go, huh, I wonder if there's something up with that. And a lot of times when I have a question like that, I wonder if it's going to lead someplace. Usually it does, to a dead end. Yeah, I find the same thing.

Yeah, and that's okay because you'll learn something anyway in the process. So, that's a good question. Both were from the tribe of Benjamin named Saul. Maybe Saul, Paul was named Saul because he was from the tribe of Benjamin, and it just was coincidence. That would be interesting to see. See now, now you got me thinking because it'd be interesting to do a, so to speak, a life of Paul in a life of Saul and see if there's any differences. But Saul did some bad stuff.

Well, not that Paul was perfect, but that'd be interesting to do a parallel and see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know.

I find the same thing and I tried digging into it and I couldn't really find anything concrete concrete on it. Sounds like probably just a common Benjaminite name or something like that. But being a good little Calvinist, I don't believe in coincidences necessarily. So, just wanted to get your idea on that. Well, that's a good question. I love when people ask me questions I hadn't thought of before they see something.

I'm like, hey, I wonder if that's the case. You just don't know. So, good question.

I wish I had a great answer, but I just don't. So, sorry about that. Cool. Well, I'm going to keep digging on it. I'll shoot you guys an email and see if I figure anything else out about it. I do. Well, if you do, if you figure something out, call up and tell us what you found.

People might be going, yeah, I want to hear that, if you find anything. And so, yeah, it's a good thing to look into. Good for you. Cool. All right.

Yeah, will do. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. All right, buddy. God bless. All right. God bless. Bye-bye. Okay, you know, I wonder if there's anybody out there who's done a study on that might know, you know, have some insight on that.

If you've done some study, you could write it up and, you know, just a brief paragraph or whatever it is, and send it to info at carb.org, or even call up and say, hey, I studied that very issue, and you tell us what you found. So, you know, the body of Christ comes together and does some good work. All right, we have four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

Let's get to Jamal from North Carolina. Jamal, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you for taking my call, Mr. Slick. Hope you're doing well, sir. I am, by God's grace. So, what do you got, man?

Good deal. All right. Wanted to ask about Jesus turning water into wine. I've heard from a friend of mine that it was actually juice and not wine, and then it led to a conversation that Christians are supposed to drink juice and not wine. So, what do we get to gospel, man? Okay, so I'm going to answer the question, but I'm going to lay some groundwork. Genesis 1-1, I'm going to go there.

I'm going to read something here, and I want you to see a parallel. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now, in John 1-1, in the beginning was the word. So, both talk about in the beginning. In Genesis, it says the earth was formless and void.

Darkness is over the surface. The spirit of God was moving. Then God said, let there be light, and there was light. And then he created the heavens and the earth. He did all that stuff. Now, let's go back to John 1-1.

I want you to pay attention to the parallel. In the beginning was the word. The word was with God. The word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and apart from him, nothing came into being.

In him was the life. Life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness.

The darkness is not comprehended. So, we can see in the first five verses of John and the first five verses of Genesis, there's a parallel. In the beginning, we have the word. God spoke, and there was light. And Jesus called the light of men. So, you can see the parallel. The reason I'm bringing this up is because Jesus, according to Colossians 1, 15-17, the pre-carnate Christ, the word is the one by whom the heavens and the earth were made.

So, this is important because I want to establish a concept. For by him, all things were created, both in heavens and earth, visible, invisible, thrones, dominions, etc. He's before all things, and in him, all things hold together.

All right. So, the word said, let there be light. The word became flesh, dwelt among us. In Genesis, God created things in their fullness. He created things in their maturity, created Adam, created the animals. They weren't young things that had to grow. They were all in the mature state.

So, when we ask which came first, the chicken or the egg, the answer is simple, the chicken. So, what we get from there is that God works things in maturity now. Now, let's go to John chapter 2. The third day, the wedding, came up on the third day. Oh, wait a minute.

You know, I just thought of something. When it says, third day, the earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with the seed in them. After the kind and God saw it was good, it was on the third day. The third day is when the plants, vegetations were made, and wine is from the plants. That is interesting.

Man, it's just interesting. The third day, that's the day when God created the plants, which is, you know, grapes, and where we get wine from. Anyway, when the wine ran out, it goes on, and he made six water pots. Now, notice again, six stone water pots that were there. How many days of creation? Six. Six days of creation because God rested on the seventh.

There was no creation of work there. So, six stone water pots for the Jewish custom of purification. 20, 30 gallons each. He said, fill the water pots with water, and he took it to the head waiter. The head waiter's job is to test the quality of the wine and to distribute it. He's an expert at it.

That's what a head waiter is. So, he says the water, which had become wine, it says the water become wine. Doesn't say juice, and he didn't know where it came from, where it came from. Every man serves the best wine, serves good wine first, and then later the cruddy wine because then their palate was a little deadened by the alcohol. He says, but this is the best wine. So, everything about this is suggesting that it's actual alcoholic wine. Nothing in it says it's juice.

Nothing in it at all says juice. Okay, now, in Proverbs 31, six, it says this, give strong drink to him who's perishing and wine to him whose life is bitter. So, the Bible actually instructs people to have wine as a medicinal use to cope with things. That doesn't mean it's justified to drink, you know, just get drunk and things like that.

That's not what's going on. So, also, they said of Jesus, the son of man came eating and drinking and they say, behold a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners. They called him a drunkard. Well, he wasn't a drunkard, but he says, you know, wine drinker here, okay.

Well, why would they say that? The word there, drunkards, is oinipotes, which has to do with oinos, is wine. So, what he's doing, he's saying he drinks wine. But in order for them to accuse him of that, he had to be out with those people, with those sinners. Now, John 2, okay, too many people think Jesus is the blonde haired, blue eyed, Caucasian surfer dude, and he wouldn't hurt a fly. You know, he's got that perfect complexion and blonde hair and, you know, sandy blonde hair and light blue eyes, you know, the Caucasian Jesus guy. And so, he's so nice, he's not getting hurt.

He's certainly not going to have anything to do with alcohol because he wouldn't do that, which is ludicrous. Now, hold on, we've got a break. I know I've been talking a lot laying the foundation down there, but let's get back to it after these messages, okay. Hey, folks, please stay tuned. We'll be right back after these messages.

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If you want to put the radio, just put, you know, radio show, whatever it is in the subject and get to it. All right, back to Jamal. Hey, Jamal. Okay. I gave you a lot of information. So did that help? Yeah, it helped out a lot. Good, good, good, good. Okay. So with all that being set up and I think you left off where the head waiter was talking about measuring the fun and all that, then there was another guy that got drunk and somebody was with him.

I think that's where you left off and I'm not sure if you had something else with that. Yeah, the focus here is, there's two things. One, it irritates, it just does. I just get irritated with people who want to make Jesus more holy than Jesus is. And they have a system of holiness, which means he would never drink. He would never do this.

He'd never yell at anybody. He would never, they just don't study the word. And that bothers me because they're reconstructing Jesus after their own image. And the fact is Jesus overturned temple tables, called people names, whitewashed sepulchers, and he made real wine.

And the reason I gave the theological significance in the background of Genesis is because that's what the nature of God is. He creates the perfect thing. And so he created perfect wine because he's the creator. Six water pots, six days. The third day, which I just learned today. The third day is when he did the wine issue, which on the third day of Genesis is when the plants were created.

It just is paralleled. And then the head waiter says, hey, the best wine. He doesn't say, hey, the best grape juice. Because there's another thing that a lot of people don't know. When you had a wedding, it took off often a year before the wedding would occur.

It was an engagement for a year. And you'd have to have people come in from all over. Well, they would prep the wedding ahead of time.

You would get the trumpeters. You would make sure the invitations went out to people. Because it took weeks sometimes to get mail or letters out to people to be read.

Hey, we're having a wedding on whatever day it was. And so this took a long time to do. And so water is something that could spoil if just sitting around. If you had 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 people at a wedding feast and you have water and stone pots, they had a tendency to kind of go bad. Because a stone pot of 20 gallons at 8 pounds per gallon, that's 1,600 pounds. And so you don't just move it.

Yeah, and there's six of them. So you just don't do this kind of thing easily. So one of the things they would do is put a little alcohol into the water. And they often called it wine. But it was the means of keeping something liquid that would not spoil. Wine became a very common drink.

But it was often very diluted compared to what we might have today. They had to drink all day to get intoxicated. That's what I remember reading. But the thing is, the head waiter, he knows that he's a head waiter. He knows, because he's probably hired for this job. His job is to make sure the wine goes in, the wine goes out. It's for the celebration. People are going to have celebration. They're not going to have, hey, let's just do water or juice. Juice, if you put it and you have that much, let's say you have 60 people, how much juice are you going to have per person in the hot sun? Half a gallon? Let's just say one gallon, because they're going to be there all day, maybe two days for the wedding. So let's say 60 people at 60 gallons of juice. How long does it take to produce 60 gallons of juice? It might take weeks. Well, what happens when you store it? It ferments. So it just does not make sense to say that the head waiter didn't know that this wasn't good wine, actually wine, and that Jesus made juice. Okay?

It doesn't work. All right? That's a lot with that topic. I'll try to give you a thought for all of it, you know, because you know, sometimes, you know, there could be, you know, some difficulties in life to you. I was like, oh, I was going to take a few seconds to answer this one, but actually, it was actually a very complicated, but very informative answer. So thank you again for that.

Well, you're welcome. And you know, by talking to you, I actually learned something, you know, the third day, you know, I'm always learning. Sometimes I'll go in to tell my wife, this is what I learned today.

And she just puts up with me and says, what? Because I'm always learning. Okay. So you helped me do that. Well, I'm glad I didn't. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm glad to see some of you today.

I'm glad that it was a new learning thing today. So I'm glad to be a part of that. Well, praise God, man. Well, keep up the good work and keep listening. Call back, okay? Yes, sir. God bless. Okay, God bless.

All right, I enjoy that. That was Glenn from, or let's get to Glenn from North Carolina. Glenn, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Question I have is John chapter 10. When Jesus references other sheep, I have of another fold.

Is that like a future reference of the body of Christ, even though he didn't reveal it? Well, I believe that what he's talking about are the Gentiles. And the reason I say that, you're talking about John 10 16.

Now, this is my opinion, okay, that I think is other Gentiles. Because according to Matthew 15 24, Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was not sent to the whole world. So he was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now, they broke the covenant, so we, the Gentiles, are grafted in.

We are the other sheep. That's what I think it means. Okay, yeah, that's what I was asking. And the other question I have to ask is the judgment seat of Christ, and the great white throne of judgment, are they separate or the same thing? You know, I'm not going to snow you and think that I have an excellent answer on that. I've studied that. And I've not been able to come to a precise answer if they're the same thing, or similar or different. Some say they're different, some say they're the same.

But it's worth me getting into, see if I can figure it out again, and study it, and give an opinion about it. So I'm just not exactly sure yet. Okay. I got you. Yeah, and the reason I ask that is because I was taught they were different.

But when I was reading it in Revelation, about the great white throne of judgment, it says every man. Yeah. That's why I was asking that question.

Yes. Years ago I did a brief study on it, only for about an hour. And I wasn't able to solve it.

For me, it's not like it's a super difficulty thing. It's just I want to really understand things a lot more. And so I wanted to learn some particulars.

And then as busy as I always am, I got sidetracked and just never got back to it. But it's another question I need to analyze. In fact, I'll put it in my list of questions that I have.

I'll add it now to be 700 and something. Let's see. How about this?

Are the Bema Seat and the great white throne the same? Under judgment, the same. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.

I'm on my list. Thank you, too. All right, brother. God bless me. Appreciate it. Hey, folks.

We have three open lines. Going to give me a call. 877-207-2276. Be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Two open lines 877-207-2276. Let's get to Rudolph from North Carolina. Rudolph, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes, sir. Um, I was listening to you and you said, Colleen, if we got information about something that we asked that you didn't know the answer to. So I called Dr. Michael Brown and asked him about the sheet gate. And I figured he might know because he was Jewish, but he said that he said that the gate don't actually mean anything. They only mean what they like. If you have a different gate, it's whatever the gate is.

But there's no definite different meaning for it. Okay. Okay.

That's for the gates. Appreciate that. Yeah.

I always like to do studies. Like the word shoe, you can do shoe and you can find out different usages of it. And, uh, uh, so you get more insight to what the phrase means.

Not even worthy to untie his laces of his shoes. So I always think that there's, there's symbols and stuff going on, even with words like gates, but it'd be worth a study. Yeah. Yes, sir.

But like I said, I asked him what he knows, like they don't mean anything specifically. Well, Dr. Michael Brown is certainly, he's an expert on the Jewish stuff. He's a great guy.

So I would definitely listen to what he has to say. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But thank you very much.

And I'll call back. God bless you too, man. God bless.

Appreciate it. Bye-bye. Oops. Sorry about that. Goodbye. All right.

Three open lines. 877-207-2276. Courtney from Ohio. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi, how are you? I'm okay. Hanging in there. So what's up? Oh, good.

Okay. So here's my question. Um, when Jesus did his miracles, did he do his miracles because he was God?

Or did he do his miracles because after he was baptized, he was anointed by the Holy Spirit? Yes. It's one or the other. Well, the answer is yes, it's one or the other or both.

So let's, uh, let's run through this a little bit. So there's an interesting kind of a paradox we have here. Because Jesus has two natures, a divine nature and a human nature, hypostatic union. Um, and because all of the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person to communicate, excuse me, the communicario idiomatum, that he has to have the ability to be able to perform miracles out of his own desire. He has to have that ability because it's part of the divine nature, which is attributed to his personhood.

Okay. But did he, uh, so to speak, use his divine attributes, uh, uh, to do stuff? Now this isn't so easy because after his anointing, which the Holy Spirit came upon him at his baptism. And what's interesting is that Jesus said in Matthew 12 22 to 32 that, you know, the Pharisees were saying he was casting out the demons by the power of the devil. And he said, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. So as the Holy Spirit came upon him and his baptism, some think, and it seems to be some evidence for this, that Jesus did his miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. It seems to be the implication.

I'm not going to die in that hill, but I lean towards that one. And the reason is because he was made under the law, Galatians 4 4 and made for a while little lower than the angels. He was one, uh, six.

Okay. And I think it's one has to one, one, nine, two, nine. And so it's been a while as I quoted that one. And so he's made for a little while in the angels, but he was made under the law. And so as someone under the law, he's required to obey the requirements of judicial, uh, uh, positions of praying to God, trusting in the Lord. So I tend to think that Jesus did his miracles by the power of the, of the, of the Holy Spirit who came upon him and anointed him and that he was doing it that way. That's significant because the same Holy Spirit upon him is on us. Right.

So I just wanted to make sure I was thinking of that, right? If he didn't do any miracles, you know, while he was a kid, so, I mean, they mentioned him, I think when he was well or something, but you know, you don't hear anything about that. So after he was baptized, I just wanted to have the right doctrine about Jesus because I've heard some crazy people saying, you know, that I guess Victoria Osteen said he wasn't God until he was, uh, no, I was like that she's a Cooper. She's like, she said that she said that.

Yes. She said he wasn't God until he was baptized by the Holy Spirit. And I was like, that's bad. Whoa. That is damnable heresy.

That is such a heresy that the elders that you should have been able to film the elders flying horizontally out of the corners of the stages, tackling her, getting her out of there, or she shouldn't be up there saying this anyway. And the fact that that is no, that's the case. I need to know about that.

I need to know the documentation for that one. That is bad. Well, yeah. I mean, I, I, when I heard that, I was like, I've always thought, well, the Jesus was 100 was is 100% God never was one second, not God. And, you know, but that because he wasn't doing any kind of miracles or anything like that, even though he was God, he waited till he was anointed by the Holy Spirit. And, you know, I know, like, okay, there was Eliza and Elijah, and they were doing miracles and they weren't God. So they were anointed by the Holy Spirit. I kind of thought he was, you know, like you said, like, he lowered himself, you know? Well, he humbled, he's made it lower than the angles. He was, that's what it is.

And, uh, he was made under the law. So that's just what that is. But, uh, yeah, which if, if she said that, uh, that is, uh, seriously bad rehearsing. Very bad.

Yeah, absolutely. That would be a surprise. So I was like, I never knew that she said that at first. And then, uh, I mean, I'm not, I don't know how much I'm going to go earth, but I didn't know that that was coming out of there. So I was like, yeah, it's a bad church.

Joel Osteen's church is a bad church. I've been there and, uh, I went through a service and, and I actually have film of the laser light show that was going on that, uh, the people, uh, were subject to. It was like a rock concert. And I, I came out, I'll tell a quick story. I came out feeling really good. It's uplifting. It makes you feel good. It doesn't mean that you're being taught truth, but it's, it makes you feel good. And so, uh, so what happened was, uh, I then, uh, went to the bookstore and I asked if they had a systematic theology. The bookstore is bigger than most churches. And, um, I asked for, you know, systematic theology and the guy goes, what's that?

The guy who worked there because what's that? I says, it's a book that arranges theology systematically, hence a systematic theology. He says, well, I'll go ask. We have those. He went 20 minutes later, came back and he said, I asked the manager, we don't have anything like that in here.

They had all kinds of books, positive confession, positive this, you know, must be healthy and wealthy and nothing really studying any meat, uh, because I will say Bill McKeever's book was there, a friend of mine from Utah, his books were in there, but nevertheless, uh, yeah, Joel Osteen, uh, couldn't fight his way out of a white paper heresy. Okay. Yikes. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to make sure that I have the right doctrine about that. Cause I, you know, my thinking on it was I've heard some people say that he did his miracles because he was God. And I mean, I wouldn't argue with that either, but he didn't do any miracles before he was baptized. So, you know, and then I know that there's people in the Old Testament that were doing miracles are not God.

So they must've been anointed by the Holy Spirit in order to do that. So I figured he humbled himself in that way. Okay. So that's okay. That's right. Thinking that makes sense. Yeah.

Just, you can, you can just, uh, you know, just say that, um, he, uh, it looks like he performed his miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit upon him when he was anointed and just say that's what it looks like. Can you just leave it for that? I'll leave it at that. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you very much. You're welcome very much. All right.

Well, God bless. You too. Talk to you too. Bye-bye. Okay. Bye.

All right. I think we've got a break here in about a minute. Let's get to, oh, we have four open lines. If you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276.

Sherman from Mississippi. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Um, first I want to thank you for your dedication to God's word. Praise God. And my question, uh, first of all, I want to, I want to say last night we had a Bible study and we were talking about what you were just speaking to this woman about, um, we were kicking around and I was wondering when did Christ the man, I know he's God, but when did Christ the man and the flesh actually come to, uh, the idea that he was? Well, hold on. We got to, we got to break.

So when did he know he was? That's interesting. Hey, hold on. Okay. We've got a break.

Folks. We have four open lines. Why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody. Welcome back. And if you want to give me a call, the last segment of the hour, the number it is, uh, let's see 877-207-2276. Give me a call. All right.

Let's get back to, uh, Sherman. Okay. You there? Yes, sir. All right. Okay. So was your question answered? Let's start over again. I don't, you asked me something and I forgot what it was. I've been working during the break on a project.

So let's start again. It wasn't my main question. I was listening to the lady just before me and you were discussing, uh, the miracles done by Christ or by Jesus. My question was, we were kicking it around in Bible study last night was that when did Jesus, the man, uh, realize he was, you know, God, not God's son, but Christ himself, you know, God himself, Jesus, the man always know that, or don't know, or was he in the flesh given just a little at a time?

Can't answer it because Bible doesn't tell us. It's just that simple. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You're not the first one to ask that. Okay.

So I've been, I've been asked that question before and, uh, you know, it's a good question, but the Bible just doesn't tell us. I mean, we could discuss, uh, you know, ideas, but, um, no, it's, uh, uh, we don't know. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. We just don't know.

I wish I did. Okay. Um, do you have a quick, do you have a time for one more? Sure. Yeah, go ahead.

Okay. In, in God's word, it says that no one knows the day or the hour of his return. See how now, um, and, and it goes back to, uh, to, uh, me thinking as, as Jesus, the man in the flesh, is he speaking to a future generation or is he speaking to the men that are surrounded him at that point in time?

And the reason I'm asking is because the reason I'm asking is because it seems to me that if we know when the tribulation starts through a peace treaty or, and we know that the man of lawlessness three and a half years later stands in the temple and claims to be God, then we should also know that between that three and a half years to the end of the seven years, that Christ will return at some time between that, you know, uh, for the gathering up of his, of the bridegroom. So you have a question? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Um, when he says no one knows the day or the hour, is he speaking just to those people or to all of, you know, everybody, he's speaking to those people right there.

And the context would tell us if he's also addressing, uh, everybody else, but he is specifically talking about the wedding feast. Are you familiar with that? Yes, sir. You are, you're familiar with it? Yeah.

Okay. The phraseology of the wedding feast, the phrase no man knows a day nor the hour is a phrase used by the, the son of the father, who the son, who was the bridegroom building a room onto his father's house. And when the father said it was time, he could go get the bride with the trumpeters and bring them back to the house. Jesus says, my, my father's house are many mansions or many rooms. I go to prepare a place for you and I'll come to get you. And then there's a Trumpet when he comes. Well, in the culture, uh, the bridegroom's friends would say to the bridegroom, you know, to the bridegroom, um, when are you going to go?

And he, you know, go get the bride. And they would know within a day or two, but, uh, he'd say, well, no man knows a day nor the hour, but the father alone. And that was just an idiomatic expression.

What's going on. It doesn't mean that Jesus didn't know. It just meant that, uh, he was his will to the father and that was going on there.

Okay. Well, I guess, um, my point comes to, you know, I'm all, I've always been taught a pre-Rapture and I understand that there's a pre-Rapture theology and there's a mid-Rapture and then there's a post-Rapture. And if no one, and I'll hear, well, you just don't know when Christ is coming and it says right here, no one knows the day or the hour. And I get confused because I understand that we do know something if the tribulation starts and we see, you know, if there's a seven year tribulation period and it, and the beginning of the tribulation period is marked either by the rapture or the signing of the declaration of the anti-Christ and things like that. Then we would know, uh, the Christians who are, are there during that period of time during the seven tribulation, all they got to do is add seven years to the day from that.

And they would know the exact day of Christ's return. So there's a logic problem plus there's other problems with, with pre-trip, but that's cause it's just not found in scripture for one thing, but yeah. Okay. Okay.

Matt, that kind of helps me out. I appreciate your time, sir. Well, sure, buddy. All right. Well, God bless, man. Okay. God bless you. All right.

All right. Let's jump over to Bill from Texas. Bill.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

Hey, how are you doing? Uh, you know, he better as, you know, he better as humbled play or cannot. Oh, I did. I didn't think you could call.

I thought you cannot call. Well, it's a difficult, but I'm man. Okay.

Well, good for you. Got a question. All right. Sure. Jesus is fully man and fully God. Correct? Yes.

The fully man part. Did he have a spirit? Not the holy spirit, but a soul spirit. Yes.

I thought so. I heard a discussion about this the other day and I hadn't really thought about it in the past. And, uh, yeah, so Jesus has two distinct natures, a divine nature and a human nature. We say the Trinity is three distinct, simultaneous persons.

We say the father, son, and holy spirit, and that's correct, but there's a technicality within it that needs to be explored. The issue of the son, the Trinity, it does not possess a human nature. The Trinity is, uh, inviolate and the, uh, the word that became flesh was joined or in union with the human nature. So the Trinitarian aspect is unchanged, but the word that became flesh, we call him Jesus.

That occurred at union of nature has occurred 2000 years ago. All right, well, the second person, the word became flesh. Well, this means that, uh, he has to have a will and he does. That's what personhood is. And the human nature has to have a will as well. So we would say that Jesus has a divine nature and a human nature, and each of them possesses a will.

We call this dietheletism from the Greek teleo, to will, so die to two wills. However, the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person. So Jesus is one person with two natures. He does not, it's not Nestorianism where there's a, in the body of Christ are two persons, a divine person and a human person. That's not it. But in the hypostatic union, the, uh, the one person with two natures.

So that's the basis. Now, did he have a spirit? Well, it depends what you mean by spirit. And so Jesus as a man would have to have a spirit because we have spirits. We're spirit in the form in that we don't have body, flesh and bones. The spirit does not have flesh and bones. John 4 24 says, or John, uh, five 39, I think it is. No, it's a job. There's so many verses in my head. So that's a, that's one condition, one issue.

So yeah, he had a spirit. Okay. Okay. Another question for you then. Sure.

Okay. What happened to it? The human spirit at the cross, did it go home to the father? Did it say what happened to the human spirit at that point? Well, we don't want to separate the human spirit from the divine spirit in the person of Christ. We want to see what happened to the person of Christ. The person of Christ continued between the death and the resurrection. The union of the two natures occurred before the crucifixion was retained during the crucifixion and was maintained after the crucifixion. So that the person of Christ had a continuous existence. Go ahead.

Okay. So they never separated the human spirit with the Holy spirit and the word all at the same time through the whole event. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just threw in the Holy spirit.

No, we're talking about the issue. The incarnation deals with the second person of the Trinity. The word that became flesh.

John one, one verse 14. The word, okay, so that's what we're talking about. You throw the Holy spirit in there. You're talking about different things now. No, what I'm asking is when Jesus was baptized and it came down like a dove and he got the Holy spirit, correct? Yeah.

The Holy spirit is a person can speak and has a will. Do you acknowledge that? Okay, good. Okay. Go ahead.

Jesus, how can I put it? When we are born again, we received the Holy spirit, right? Yes. Okay. When Jesus was baptized and the Holy spirit came down like a dove, did Jesus obtain the Holy spirit?

Did he gain the Holy spirit? Yeah, I know it. I know it sounds messed up. I'm trying to articulate it. I'm trying to articulate it.

Okay. Yeah. He, in one sense, yes.

In another sense, no. In a sense, the Holy spirit anointed him and came upon him, was poured upon him. That's how the Holy spirit is received by pouring.

That's what it means. That's how it is in the Old Testament. So the Holy spirit came upon him from above and was poured upon him and this anointed him for the work of the ministry that he was to do in his earthly ministry.

Okay. So that's one aspect that came upon him, but also because the word is in a parakeritic relationship with the Trinitarian communion, then he always will have the Holy spirit in that Trinitarian sense, since they are all the one divine essence. But what you're talking about is the moment of, uh, during the incarnation and the anointing while this man, Jesus was under the law, et cetera.

So he received the Holy spirit at that time. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. I've done lock my train of thought, but it's all right.

I do it all the time. I know. Well, I guess that's probably the end of my call. All right. Well, God bless buddy. All right.

We'll talk to you later, brother. Okay. Okay.

All right. Let's get to Spence. Our last call. We have one minute left on the show. Spence. So what do you got?

Hey, I'm riding on my way home, Matt. And, um, my buddy was talking to me. He wanted to know, um, what fruit it was in the garden in Genesis that he ate. It doesn't say, it doesn't say this has ate the fruit.

It doesn't say which fruit it was. Okay. I mean, that's it. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Those are some secret embedded in scripture.

Someplace I'm not aware of, uh, to tell us, but no, it doesn't say. All right. So that's it. We don't know. Can you quick, quick answer that? Yep.

That's exactly what, that's exactly what I relate relate relate to him. All right. Appreciate it, Matt. You guys. All right. God bless.

You drive safely. Both of you guys. I'm waving to you. All right. All right. We'll see you buddy. Thank you, man. God bless you. Okay.

Bye. Oh, hey, Matt. Oh, hey, that's perfect timing.

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