Matt Slick Live

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Today's date is February 6, 2022. If you want to email me, all you have to do is go to your website and contact me at info at karm.org, and you can email me there, make a comment, whatever it is, and then we can read your stuff over the air that way. All right, I think that's it. I'm looking here and there, and we've got a caller waiting, so why don't we just jump on the calls. Let's get to Rudolph from North Carolina. Rudolph, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes, sir. My question is, how should a Christian respond to public prayer? Well, I don't know how all Christians should, but I can tell you how I do. If there's a public prayer, and I've been involved with them here in Idaho, where, for example, they'll have a public prayer thing, and I was asked to pray a few years in a row, where the public gathers to be praying. Other pastors would be there, and they would pray. So let's say a Roman Catholic got up, and he has a right to pray, too, and so he prays. I would not join him in his prayer. I would just pray to my Lord by myself. If a Mormon got up and did that, I wouldn't participate in it and things like that. I'd probably just look out into the crowd and not bow my head during the prayers of false religious groups. That's how I handle it.

I don't know about others, but that's what I do. Okay. The reason I'm asking is because when that football player went down, they were calling for people to pray publicly. And I'm like, I can't pray with a person that's a Mormon or a Catholic or a communicable mess.

It's big time in this country, and I'm trying to figure out, if you were around there, what would you do? So, okay. That's probably the best answer. Well, yeah, I would say I like it in public events when someone says, let's pray. I think it's a good idea because I want prayer to be something that's part of the public eye. But we have particulars where we pray and join in with false religious groups, and the answer would be no. Like I said, if I was up on the stairs of the Boise State Capitol and a Catholic were to come up and pray, I would just stand there politely and just look out at the crowd and wait until he's done because I'm not going to participate in his paganism.

But that's it. If you're in a football stadium and they say, well, let's pray, well, you can pray to Jesus. You can pray. You can do that. You're not a public figure at that point, and so you could do that anonymously in a group. Now, if I'm a public figure in a public setting, I need to set a different example. So if you're praying, like 50,000 people in a crowd, no one's going to know. No cameras are on. There's no nothing.

If I was in that situation, I'd be praying to my Lord, and that's it. Okay. Thank you.

God bless you. Okay. Sure, man. No problem at all. Thanks for calling, Rudolph.

All right. Okay, let's get to Mary from Utah. Mary, welcome. You're on the air. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Yes, I can. Okay. Hi, Matt, and God bless you, and thank you for still being on the air and guiding us to the Holy Spirit, to the truth. I have a question. My mother, she was, you know, we've always went to this Family of God church, but she just started going to this apostolic church. Is it a United Pentecostal church? United Pentecostal or United Apostolic?

You know, yeah, I think it says United Pentecostal. It's on Redwood Road and about 20-something south, and I just drove by there, and they've been trying to get me to go, but I went and Googled it, and it said the difference is it's something about, they don't believe in a Trinity, or I don't know. Yeah, it's a cult. It's a cult.

Okay. So, yeah, it is. It's a non-Christian cult. That's why I was asking if it's United Pentecostal or anything to deny the Trinity. Yeah, so it's a non-Christian cult. United Pentecostal, United Apostolic. Basically, any church with the word United in it is bad, except for the United Reform. That's a good church. So what city down there in Salt Lake City, or what? Yeah, it's right around 2900 south around there and Redwood Road, and it's right, now is there different apostolic churches? Yes, yes.

Okay. So let me find it, but if they didn't have the Trinity, it's just a non-Christian cult, and I'd be willing to talk to your friend, whoever it is, 2480. It's my mom.

Yeah, it's your mom. Yeah, I'd be willing to talk to her and explain why, but if she's gone to the Assemblies of God, the AOG, I'm going to really step on some toes, but I'm not surprised. The Assemblies of God is a little, it's Pentecostal, and they're okay with speaking in tongues. I don't have any problem with that, but let's just say that they're going south, Assemblies of God going south. They have women pastors and elders and things like that, but the United Pentecostal is absolutely a cult.

It's a oneness Pentecostal group speaking in tongues. It isn't necessary for salvation. You have to get baptized, quote unquote, in Jesus' name. Obey Acts 2.38.

You've got to do all these things they say, and it's a cult. I debate them regularly. Yeah. So my mom's coming out of her café right now. She's coming out of her café right now. I wanted her to hear it from you. Sure.

Put her on the phone if that's okay. Sure. Yeah, she's coming out right now. Here she comes. Here she comes right now. Okay.

All right. Mom, is she coming? She's taking my sister with her too.

Where's mom? Okay. Oh, here she comes. I was like, come here. That's all right. Yeah, because I kind of got attacked at the buffet about this.

Okay. Hi, Matt Flick. This is my mom, Ida. She's the owner of Salazar's Café, and he wants to tell you. I know he's on the Bible. He's on the radio. He wants to tell you about that church you go to.

It's in a cult. Go ahead, Matt. No, listen.

No, he's right here. Hold on. Hold on.

It is. Here. Sit right here. Okay. Okay. Okay, Matt.

Here's my mom. Sorry. Okay. Hi. How are you?

Go ahead, Matt. Okay. Mom. Hi. Ida, are you there? Hello. Hi, Ida. Are you there, Ida? Yes. Hello?

Yes. We're on the radio. Boy, I see you have a Mexican restaurant. I'm going to have to get down there.

I love Mexican food, and I'm looking at your Facebook page. Pretty good. So you can hear me okay, right? Yes, I can hear you okay.

Is it going to take a long time because I've got my hands full of pasta? I was going to tell you that the United Apostolic Church is a non-Christian cult. All right? It's a cult. Okay.

It denies the Trinity, and it adds works to salvation. And it's considered a cult, okay? Okay. Yeah.

That's what you're telling me. Now, I can tell you, give you information where you can go to get good churches, but down there, because I've been down there in Salt Lake many times. I have friends down there.

I'm in Idaho. But it's Inglesia Falsa, okay? Okay. All right.

Are you there? I guess. I don't know.

Yes. Yeah, she can hear you. I can hear you, but you can call me on my phone if you want to.

What's that? Can you call me on my phone? Well, if she gives it to the producer, and he writes it out, then I can write it down, and I can call you afterwards, after we're off the show. Okay? Yeah. Or if you want to call... You can call me back, because I... Or you can call on the show. Okay. Call me back. Okay.

Give me my phone number. Okay. Yeah. But not right now.

Okay. And Matt, can you tell her that Calvary Chapel is a good church to go to? Yeah, it is. Go to Calvary Chapel. There's one in there in Salt Lake. I've been to it several times.

Do you know? And it's a good church. Go there. Okay. But stay away from the United Pentecostal.

It's a cult, non-Christian cult to stay away. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Thank you so much, Matt. Thank you. You're welcome. All right.

Well, you know, you don't have no idea what I went through the weekend, you know, with everybody getting on me about that, and I'm so glad. Well, you know, you can always email me at the website, info at karm.org, and you can put this stuff out. I can call them up. I can explain stuff why it's so dangerous and what makes it bad. You know, I'm only five hours away.

I would drive down there if a church wanted to host me and have me speak, and we could meet everybody and things like that, and we could talk, and I could explain it, among other things. So there's ways to do stuff, okay? Uh-huh. All right. Okay. Well, thanks a lot, Matt. I mean, you know, you can call South Park Cafe at 801-48-5-0172.

Yeah, I see the, you know, it looks, in Mexican food, I like Mexican food, so I'll check it out. But it's on- Okay. You're on, okay.

Yeah, it's on 33. Okay. Thank you so much, Matt. Yeah, okay. All right. Well, God bless.

God bless you. Thank you for your patience. Okay. No problem. Bye. Bye. Okay. Okay, bye. All right. Hey, how about that?

That was fun. That's fine. No big deal.

All right. Hey, we have four open lines if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Tracy from Virginia. Tracy, welcome.

You're on the air. Yes. I was just talking, I guess, with your producer, and I noticed when you said the search is bad, have the word united in them are possible bad roads against them. Yes. And I was telling him the United Methodist Church, which I do not belong, I like Baptist Church. It's bad. It's bad church. Yeah.

My neighbor, who's elderly, left it after 15, 20 years because they were having meetings on legalizing the gay marriages in their churches, et cetera, et cetera. So I just wanted to tell you that when you said that, it just hit me like me. That's right. I said, you're so right. And now, I mean, that's what I wanted to ask you. Well, we have a break. We have a break. Can you hold on? Tracy, we've got a break.

We've got to take a hard break here, so we'll be right back, okay? Hey, folks. We've got three open lines, 877-207-2276, and we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get on the air here. Back with Tracy.

Okay, Tracy. Go ahead. Yes. So we were talking about the United churches with that title, and I was agreeing with you because my neighbor, who had belonged to a Methodist church for over a decade, like 15, almost 20 years, and I went with her one time. I knew I didn't belong immediately, but I didn't say anything to her, and anyway, they were trying to get the gay movement to be able to be recognized in that church, and the Methodists from all over the United States, I believe, want to meet on it. Yes. And they were telling the elderly, yeah, they were telling the elderly to go build their own church, basically bringing in the new and getting out the old. But so when you said United and what that meant, that's pretty, not only did I don't believe in the Methodists, it makes more sense to me now because it is a United Methodist. Right.

Yes, and it's a non-Christian group, too, because they add works to salvation, and there as liberal as you can be, they affirm homosexuality, abortion, and all of this stuff, and so it's just, it's bad. Yeah. Well, I wanted to thank, I'm actually driving right now, so I listen to your programs every night at 6, and I appreciate you. Thank you so much. God bless you. You're welcome, God bless you.

All right, for Open Lines, 877-207-2276, Bob from California, welcome. You are on the air. Hi, good afternoon, Matt.

Good afternoon. I have a question. Have you ever heard of the book, Eggs in a Parlor? It's a game I know about, but, or, Pass the Pigs, that's the game. No, I don't know about that one. It's a book on deliverance ministry, it's called A Fast Guide to Deliverance. Deliverance ministry, those are usually problematic, usually. Okay, let's see, let me look it up.

The, okay, here we go, interesting, yep, A Practical Guide to Deliverance by Frank Hammond. That rings a bell, and that's bad news, this guy's bad news. I wouldn't trust it. Yeah.

Okay. Okay, I wondered about that, because I have a friend on Facebook who, I guess, who recommends the book, and I just want to know what your thoughts were on it. Well, I haven't read it, and I don't like to just judge a book by its cover. However, deliverance ministry by that guy, bad news. So there's a lot of ignorance that's going around in the Christian church, and my experience with people who have experienced deliverance ministries is that they are worse off when they're done.

The deliverance ministries that I've heard of, had people tell me stories of, have been horrific, and causing mental, emotional problems, all kinds of stuff, where the deliverance individual who does the deliverance gets control, emotional, mental control over somebody, confess all your sins. I'm going to write them all down, and let's get all of them. What about that? What about this? Oh, that opens up you for this. And they just do this real in-depth thing where they get all your secrets out. It makes people very, very vulnerable. And then they go, okay, you probably have a demon of this and a demon of that.

Let's work on it. And then if you don't get delivered, because you still have problems, oh, well, now you've really got some problems. And it just causes people to be in distress. And I could do deliverance ministry a lot better than they can. Because you have to focus on who Jesus is, what Jesus has done, and who you are in Christ. And to know that no demonic force can indwell you if you are a Christian.

And that greater is he that's in you than he that's in the world. The juxtaposition of the indwelling of the evil one and Christ. And so this is the kind of stuff that needs to happen. They need to know about the sovereignty of God, the wisdom of God, the holiness of God.

They need to be built on those things, and then the issues of your own sins that need to come up and be brought up by the persons voluntarily doing it. This thing happened to me when I was younger. I've got to talk about it. Okay, let's talk about it. But you always point them to Christ and the cross. But deliverance ministers, often what they do is require money. Some do, some don't.

Spend a long period of time, get lots of information, and generally speaking, just make things a lot worse. Okay. Okay, great. I just wanted to be sure about that.

Okay, well that's pretty much my question. Thank you so much. Sure, no problem at all. All right. Well, God bless. Okay, you too, man.

All right. We have five open lines if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2-877-207-2276. Looking at the email here, people email me about stuff. Have you ever read Martin Luther's book, Bondage of the Will? I believe I did in my Lutheran college. I went to you back in the 80s.

If so, would you think of it? Do you agree with him? I can't tell you what I do or don't. It's been so long. But for the most part, I remember I thought it was pretty good. But I can't tell you particulars.

It's just been so long. So I took all of the theology courses in, it was called Christ Call a Jervine, which is now called Concordia University in Irvine, California. That's where I got my bachelor's in social science. And then from there, I went to seminary in Escondido and got my MDiv. So I took, like I said, all the tough classes preparing for seminary. And Bondage of the Will was one of the reading assignments. I remember going through it, but I don't remember too much about it. But I do remember thinking, this is really good.

Luther really did a good job. He understood a lot. So that's all I can tell you about that. All right. Let's see. And then so-and-so wants to call me. Yeah. You can call.

Let's see. Call. Discuss.

Accounting for the Laws of Logic. Yeah. That guy's listening. Call. Questions from that. I have some questions. I'd like to ask you, can a true believer completely stop believing?

No. A true believer is regenerate, have been granted faith by God, Philippians 1.29. And the faith is in Christ, John 6.29. And that means that your sins have been paid for, all of them. And that's Colossians 2.14. The sin that was canceled at the cross is not canceled when you believe.

A lot of people don't know this, but the sin debt, your sin debt of the elect, that's the only way it works, was canceled at the cross. You're justified when you believe. Justifications by faith, Romans 5.1, Romans 3.28. So this is the work of God.

And so he's not going to leave you. When you believe because of the work of God, God granted that you believe, Philippians 1.29. You're born again, not of your own will, John 1.13. And you're caused to be born again, 1 Peter 1.3. So to stop believing means you have changed or become unregenerate.

Well, here's the problem. God is the one who regenerates us by his hand. Well, does he unregenerate you? And that wouldn't make any sense either. So no. Number two, if a Christian cannot lose his salvation, does a Christian need to worry about taking the mark of the beast? Yes, you do. You don't want to take the mark of the beast. You don't want to be in conflict with God at all.

And making this particular about possibilities, what that would mean. But we've got a break coming up with some more questions. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. There we go. All right.

Welcome back to the email. And I've got some more questions. At what point of the tribulation will the mark of the beast happen? I don't know. It might be at the beginning. I don't know. That's a good question, though. At what point can we 100% identify the Antichrist? Probably when he requires a mark upon your forehead and your hand in order to buy and sell. In one of your videos, I heard you say that the mark is in Hebrew or Greek. Can you explain this?

No. The mark of the beast is a mark, but we don't know what it is exactly. But the name of the Antichrist, it's either Hebrew or Greek, but I think it's in Greek, and it's specifically referring to, probably is 666. What that means is that in the Hebrew and in the Greek, the letters are also numbers. So we have two sets of characters, ABC and 123. But they only have one set, and they use the same set for numbers and letters. So when you write letters, you're also writing a set of numbers.

So the name of the Antichrist, either in Hebrew and or in Greek, will be 666. That's the name. That's what that means. All right.

I hope that is helpful and that person is listening. Let's see. Howdy. I'm a spirit-filled Christian. I'm curious why those that speak about the Trinity need to make Jesus God. Oh, man. You're a spirit-filled Christian and you don't believe Jesus is God, then you are not a spirit-filled Christian.

So hopefully, just a bad email writing and syntax here for the confusion. I'm curious why those that speak of the Trinity need to make Jesus God. We don't need to make him God. We are telling you what the Bible says about him.

He is God in flesh, second verse of the Trinity. That's what the Bible teaches. So that's it.

It's not a need that we have as if it's not true. So that's that. So I would suggest that person give me a call and we can talk. All right. We can talk about all of that. All right. Let's get to Ryan from Pennsylvania. Ryan, welcome.

Hey, Matt, thank you very much for inviting me to call. All right. Sure. I sent you an email about the account you're using.

I said I could use it publicly. That was you. Yeah, I'm looking at it, but let's just say I'm so busy I've hardly even worked on any articles. There's just a lot happening right now. There is a lot of stuff going on. The stuff I have to do, I'll just tell you, the stuff I have to do for the working and the running of the ministry behind the scenes.

That kind of stuff. I understand that. That's why I asked for your permission to call before I call. You don't need permission.

You just call. It says here, I am a physically existing sentient thing. Okay. I live in a physically existing universe. As a physically existing sentient thing in a physically existing universe, I encounter other physically existing things. As I encounter other things, I attain knowledge of those things.

I'm able to construct models of the physically existing universe. Yeah. It's kind of a combination of rationalism and existentialism or... No. Actually, it's empiricism.

Empiricism. That's what I was looking for. Thank you. See?

There you go. It's kind of a combo between them. As I walk in a forest, I gather two acorns in each hand. At the end of the one, I combine my contents of the hands, extract the following model. Two plus two is four. You're inserting upon the physical realm the laws of logic. You cannot extract those laws from the physical, if you are...

I don't explain how. The laws of logic are mental abstract entities. They are not physical attributes. What you're doing is observing something in the physical realm and then applying a mathematical value, which means you have to presuppose the universality, the number two in this existence, as well as the word plus and the value of equality and then the number four. You're presupposing the law of identity in those universals.

You're not extracting them out of there. When you have those, you're also accessing the fundamental aspect of addition and equality. Those are not things that you observe. You're concluding those and constructing those in your own mind, which is a process of the mind.

That's what's going on. Okay. Would I conclude all dogs or mammals, have I extracted that from the world around me? No. It's called an induction, is what it is, is that you're just simply assuming a universal value.

What you're probably going to be raising here is leave this law of the indiscernibility of identicals, which is just simply a variation on the law of identity. If you assert that all dogs by definition are mammals, then by definition that's what it is. You're not really saying anything. Well, if I say if it's a dog, then it's a mammal? You could say all dogs are mammals. Do I derive from the world around us?

No. That's an observation that you are then saying and you have to identify what a dog is. If you and I are sitting there and you say all dogs are mammals, I can ask you what's a dog and what's a mammal?

I can point to the animals and say, okay, that's a dog. Are you familiar with justified true belief? I'm familiar with the idea of warranted true belief by Alvin Flanagan and I'm also familiar with properly basic beliefs.

There you go. Let's go with properly basic beliefs. You want to be able to find what the ultimate source is of the basis from which these properly basic beliefs are derived or asserted. If you want to say they're axiomatic, well, then all axioms exist inside of a context instead of a causal chain of events.

They don't have aseity in themselves. They are not a say, so you have to have a context. When you talk back to two plus two equals four, the quality of two-ness is a universal abstract entity. You can call it three, you can call it five, as long as it's a consistent reference.

It doesn't matter what number you use. Yeah, I get that. But two, we understand what two is. It doesn't matter what you call it. We call it two. In Spanish, it's dos. So what?

A duo. In French, I believe it is. My wife tells me this stuff. That's all it is, but the concept of what the sound represents. That concept, that abstract entity, is not derived because of our observation. We apprehend it because of its already extant properties.

Okay? I think I've given you a concrete example of how we account for logic and mathematics, and it is directly observed from the world around us, and we extract these models out – Okay, I'll show you. If A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C, do you observe that occurring in nature without imposing a logical value upon them? Sure, because we have extracted that from observation from the world around us.

No, no, no. You didn't hear what I said. Without imposing a logical value upon them. Because if A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C, that's called the law of proper inference. Now, what you're doing is you're imposing a construct in your mind upon the physical world.

See, what you observe – Yes, it is. You don't understand what universals are. You don't understand. Yes, I do. No, you don't. Okay, here, let's begin with this. If I say, if it's a dog, then it's a mammal, and I extract out from that, if A, then B, then that is exactly the same thing as you've done from proper inference.

No. You're then imposing, if A, then B, going to modus ponens, you're saying, look, I'm going to just hold this value. It's an abstraction.

Logic is an abstract process. It's not observed in reality. You're conflating the process with the physical realm.

It doesn't work like that. No, I'm not. What I'm doing is I'm extracting it from the physical realm. Yes, you are.

No, you're not. You can't observe it through empiricism. Empiricism is only validated by people who assume empiricism, which is circular reasoning, and it validates the position. You can't observe it because you don't know if what you're observing is universally accurate. You're presupposing a universal, but you don't observe. You don't observe universals. You deduce universals.

No, you don't. You don't observe a universal. You observe that all men are mortal?

No. A universal, like number two, you don't observe two-ness. You don't observe two-ness, the quality in nature and essence of the abstract principle called two-ness. If you draw a number two on a piece of paper... You extract two-ness from nature. No, you don't. Because if nature...

Here, let me do it this way. Properties can be measured. Properties of the physical world can be measured. They can be seen or taken a picture of or whatever it is, the instruments, they're measurable. You can't measure the number two. If they're related to the physical world and you extract them out of the physical world, then you have to be able to measure them because they'd be properties of the physical world. You can't measure two-ness.

You look at two acorns in your hand, you're not measuring two-ness. Ryan, I'm going to tell you this, that you need to study up on this issue of the ultimate nature of the universals and transcendental necessities behind them because you're not getting it. We've got a break anyway. Okay.

Matt... Keep trying. We've got to go, buddy. We've got to go.

There's a break. Hey, we have four open lines, 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. How you doing out there? I'm going to wait for you as it goes down. All right. I think they're busy. There we go.

Yeah, they're busy. All right. We're going to get on the line with Monique from North Carolina. Monique, welcome. You're on the air. Thanks.

Thank you. Wait a minute. I think I might... Can you hear me okay?

Is there an echo? No, I hear you. It's a little bit tinny, but that's okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So bear with me. So I say, in all humility, I'm going to put this so it'll be hopefully pointed. I have quite a few scriptures that I'm going to be referring to. Well, hold on.

I don't want you to read a bunch of stuff. I just want... First of all, I want to know what your question is, so we can then kind of go from there. Right.

That's what I'm trying to set up. So I'm going to put this pointed example. The question that ends in the beginning is how you identify where a person in sin falls under these things. And this is why I was talking about the scriptures. So there's the scripture talking about, I don't say that there's a sin that he should... I should say that you don't pray for this sin. And that's why I wanted to point to the exact scriptures, but you don't tell me that. It's 1 John 5, verse 16 through 17, where he talks about, there is a sin that leads to death. I don't say we should pray for it.

And then we talk about, so we want to identify what that is, I guess, I should say first. Well, it says there's a sin not leading to death in 1 John 5, 17, what it says. So the Bible doesn't tell us. It doesn't tell us. Go ahead. It doesn't tell us where it is.

Okay. And verse 16 is there is a sin leading to death or is it not leading to death. So there's commentators who have discussed this and all sin leads to death. All of it does.

So what's he doing? It looks like he's talking about sins that directly lead to death, maybe. Or is he talking about, like, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit or certain kinds of sins that will end up killing you, like alcoholism, drug addiction? Or is he talking about something different, a spiritual thing? So there's just been some debate about what it is, or I should say discussion, because no one really knows for sure. Okay. Okay. So where, where, where I'm going with that is he, and I understood obviously what you just said, he says this, you know, I don't say that he should pray for it. So that alone obviously be telling us we shouldn't pray for it.

There is an obvious, there isn't it. So I heard what you just said in response to that, but where I'm going, and this is why I wanted to bring the example. For example, somebody like Beyonce, who came out initially, oh, I'm Christian, whatever, and then we see her words now and all these references and things like that.

Going to the scripture about, so Hebrews 6, 4 through 6, I think, for it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, you know what I'm talking about? Yes, I'm very familiar with that. Okay. So, again, in the beginning I was saying I'm trying to identify how we determine which one of these, and you were talking about you don't want me to read a lot of things, but that's what I'm saying. No, no, no, I just don't know what you're doing.

That's all I'm saying is sometimes people get on the air and they want to do a whole big intro. I don't know what they're doing, and I just have to be careful. That's all I'm saying. So if you tell me what the question is, okay, now I know what's going on.

All right? Right. So that's why, again, I was trying to set it up that way so it would be pointed.

That's what I meant by pointed. So a person, and I gave the example of Beyonce just because there's somebody on the national stage that I think most people would know at one point, oh, I'm Christian and the Bible and directly going to that, and then now all the whatever-this-is darkness kind of stuff as an example. But the other scriptures, because I'm trying to delineate between these different things, of course, we just went through those, Hebrews 6, 4-6, the 1 John scripture. But also, oh gosh, okay, now that's where I come from, Jude 1, 1 Jude, of course, 22 through 23, some have compassion making a difference and others stay with fear, pulling them out of the fire, you know, behaving the garment spotted by flesh.

I've asked you before about the turning over to Satan, and I think we concluded that we weren't quite sure who had the authority to do that and what exactly it was, because he does say, so that he learns not to blaspheme, he doesn't say necessarily, blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but I wouldn't know that that would be referring to any other kind of blaspheming. So this is what I mean about delineating between where these people fall in these different areas of peace that are being spoken of here, do you see what I mean? Yeah, it's kind of like a gradation of sin, what the categorizations of these are.

It's an interesting endeavor to try and figure that out. And I've looked at different kinds of sins in the Bible, and the Bible does say that some are worse than others. And so some people say all sin is equal, that is not true, it's a common misnomer. Jesus said to the Pharisees when they were falsely accusing him, and he said, you who pass his judgment have a greater sin. So I don't know how to answer you, because I don't think the Bible gives us enough information, at least that I'm aware of. So I've not studied it particularly like that.

I think what you could probably do is get some categorization ideas, but not know exactly what to fill them in as, how many. It's a toughie, okay, and it really is. Okay, I guess, yeah, I can understand that response, and I'll leave it there. I was just real curious about, you know, there's those who oppose themselves, and how the scriptures that we are to be... I think that with anybody, whatever the sin is, I try to anyway, you know, in a spirit of meekness and not, you know, argue on down, because of course there's no point in that. But I can accept that if that's, you know, just, you know, kind of your, yeah. So I get what you're doing, yeah, but I just don't know.

It's a good question, and I'm just not sure, not sure what to tell you, and I wish I had a great answer for you, but I just don't. Well, I'll just, I'll default back to, my default is, Lord, do I need to pray for this person, or are they a lost cause? Are you going to grant them repentance? Just pray for them.

Is that something I can know, you know? No, just pray. Just pray. Just pray for people. Pray for them.

Yeah, that's right. When they're dead, it won't do any good to pray for them anymore. But yeah, you're on the right track.

Just pray for them. Okay? So good for you. Well, thank you. Have a good night. You too.

Well, God bless. All right. You as well. Bye-bye. Thanks, Monique. All right, let's get to Mark from North Carolina. Mark, welcome. You are on the air.

Thank you. My question is, and one of them is, can a Christian be possessed, and I have some friends that think they can be. I told them I didn't think so. No, they can't.

No, they can't. Let me show you the scriptures. No, I told them they couldn't have two spirits in them.

Yes. So let me show you the scriptural reference, all right? So this is Matthew 1243.

It's almost one, two, three, four, except the last two are swapped, okay, 1243. Jesus says, when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, I will return to my house from which I came, so where it was cast out of a person, right? And when it comes in, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.

This is what you were just saying. Two spirits in there can't happen, okay, because Jesus is saying, if it's unoccupied, swept, and put in order. In other words, the demon's gone and been cast out, right? And so the Holy Spirit's not indwelling the person, okay, that's what's going on. Verse 45, then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there, and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first.

That is the way it also will be with this evil generation. Ooh, that's really good stuff, yeah, that gives me something else to think about. So that's what's going on, okay, so I've written an article on this and dealt with this, and I see no place where a Christian could be possessed. Now there is a verse in Matthew 16-20- Well, they were talking about in the Gospels where Jesus cast out the man who was in his right mind. But he didn't make a reference to where they came back or not. Right.

So people could be demon possessed, and they could have the demons cast out. And this is Matthew 12, 43-45. Study that.

Okay. Study that. And then cross-reference it with John 14-23, where Jesus says the Father and he will come and live in you, make their abode in you.

How can a demonic force be indwelling with Jesus? It doesn't make any sense. So a lot of people who teach this are woefully ignorant of biblical theology and stuff like that.

Let me just teach bad stuff. That's what's going on. Okay.

One final question. I know the Old Testament talks about backsliding with Israel. I had problems with my friends. They said, let's say my wife and I had an argument tonight, and I cursed her out and I went to sleep and I died.

They said, well, I would be lost because I would be lost in my family. No, that's a load of crap. Sorry, I've got to save for what it is. All right. That's works righteousness. That means you have to be good in every way in order to keep yourself right with God.

So if you say something mean to somebody, then you die. Oh, sorry, lost your salvation. So now you're in and out of salvation, depending on how good you are.

That's bondage. It's cult theology. It's from cult minds. It's not Christian theology.

If our salvation depended on our goodness, because that's what that is. You get mad at your wife. You go to bed angry.

You die in a meal. Oh, you go to hell. What utter stupidity, foolishness that is. It's just, it's a doctrine of demons.

Okay. And these people, these who claim to be Christians will teach this stuff. And so I'm going to tell you, if it depends on our goodness to be able to repent and confess something, then we're all going to hell because there's plenty of things we haven't confessed and we haven't repented of that we've either done and forgotten or just not even aware we've done it. But these people, what they're talking about is moralism, legalism, and bondage. Bondage to perfectionism.

And it's just horrible. And they need to be severely and soundly rebuked for the foolish false teachers that they really are. I hope I can get that across.

This is how serious this is. These people need to stop talking and they need to start studying scripture and get rid of this idiocy that they adhere and embrace. Okay.

Well, I'll tell them they need to look at it, take a close look at the scripture and see what it says as opposed to what people have been saying all the years. Amen, brother. You, you got that right. I appreciate your time. Okay. All right. Thank you. Good for you. All right, Mark.

God bless, man. Well, that's the end of that call. I mean, I'm going to tell you folks, I'm going to tell you, you know, there are some things that need to be rebuked and men of God need to stand up and women of God need to stand up and say, that is false. It's demonic doctrine.

It needs to stop. And if you don't know your theology well, you won't be able to identify the heresies that slip under the gate trying to get in and put people into bondage. Oh yeah. If you get mad at somebody, you die before you confess it. Oh, you go to hell. Well, that means you keep your salvation by your confessions, by your other sides. You might as well be a Roman Catholic, you know, you just, it's just ridiculous.

It makes me mad, you know, to hear bondage taught as truth. Okay. There we go. I'm out of time. May the Lord bless you. And by his grace, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be back on here tomorrow by his grace. We'll talk to you then. Have a great evening. God bless. Bye. Bye.