Matt Slick Live

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When I get the show ready, I do a sound check, but I also have to set things up in StreamYard and some other things. So that's just what I was doing and found out that we streamed to YouTube, and they took down my videos from last week here from the radio show because it doesn't meet their guidelines. It's probably because I said something about COVID and masks, and I don't believe that the masks are very effective. That's my opinion. I'm going to do a test, because I did the research, the documentation is on my website from official sources, from very competent sources on the efficacy of masks.

I'm just going to use this as an example and see if I get this video taken down or strike against me. So cloth masks are about 3% effective. They're basically useless. And those paperish ones that look more like doctor masks that they hand out everywhere, those are about 50% effective when you're on the average person who wears them. But if you wear them properly with pinching this and not touching that and tucking in here and there, they can go up to like 80% range of effectiveness.

If you touch them and you adjust the mask, then that helps to contaminate them. Okay, this is all documented. Now let's see if I get taken down for mentioning something that the thought police don't want you to talk about.

So that's what we'll see. So on YouTube it's taken down, but not on rumble. What we're doing is we're moving stuff into rumble. Because rumble is not, you know, they don't have thought police there telling you what you can and can't say and stuff like that. They actually believe, this weird concept they believe in the First Amendment, that you have the right to talk and give your opinions. Hey, what a new concept.

It's my opinion that the masks were not very effective. There you go. Now, am I going to be punished for having an opinion like that?

That doesn't go in line with the thought police? We'll find out, won't we? I'll let you know more on that later.

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And then when I try to set up a new domain with admin, it can't do that anymore. Okay, calm down. You just think of an ocean, sitting on the beach under an umbrella, watching the waves come in, sitting by the dock of the bay. That'll be good.

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It's upsetting. Oh, and I love tech. Okay. I'm going to talk about camera stuff, too. I've been working on it.

I've worked really hard on camera stuff. We'll get into that a little bit. Anthony from Virginia. Anthony, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

I want to ask a question. Do you think a true Christian believer can murder someone? Yes. If that believer does murder someone, does he still go to heaven? If he's a true Christian, it means all of his sins are forgiven. If someone commits a murder, let's say that there's a man who's walking with the Lord and there's different definitions of murder, and let's just say that something happens and he finds his wife committing adultery and in the heat of the moment he hits the guy real hard and kills him. All right. Is that possible? Well, yeah. Is it technically murder? Yes, it is. So is he still saved?

I'd say yes. You don't lose your salvation. What about just cold-blooded premeditated murder?

He stalks the guy down and stabs him and then doesn't repent and then dies. Well, anyone who would do that kind of a thing, we wouldn't say is a Christian. Look, I claim to be a Christian, and then you go out and premeditatively try and do something like that. That's not walking with Christ.

It's not a sign of regeneration. I wouldn't say they're saved. That's right, but the condition is that he is a true believer. He's been chosen by God, he's one of the elect, and he killed someone in cold blood. Is he still going to heaven? Well, I don't know if that's possible.

Well, Christians can still sin, though. Let me ask you a question. Do you think it's possible to make a round square? No.

Just ask it. No. Is it possible for someone who's truly regenerate, indwelt by the Lord, following the Lord Jesus Christ, to then, while doing that, seek to do that which is purely evil? Is that possible?

Well, we see that Christians do minor sins all the time. I ask you a question. Is that possible? That's my question.

Would the Lord do it? Yes, I do believe that they can still do that. They're still within their capacity.

So, I didn't say can, as in the capacity. That's different. You keep changing things, all right? Is it possible for, and I just mean physically has the ability, I'm saying true Christians walking with the Lord Jesus to suddenly premeditatively decide to murder someone, say it takes five weeks to walk out this plan, and you can just do that. What are you going to say is possible? Yeah, they can do that, because they still have free will. Can you show me that in scripture, where it says that any place where someone indwelt by the Lord can then do the opposite of what he's required to do, having been dwelt by the Lord, in a premeditative sense of something that's so serious.

Can you show me that in scripture? They still have this sanctification process. They still fight against the flesh and things like that. So, we're aware that Christians, we can look at believing Christians and see that they're still committing sins of various types. So, it's not unthinkable that they could still theoretically do something as bad as this, if they're doing all these other smaller bad things. They still have free will.

They still have the ability to choose to do that. First of all, I asked you a question and you ignored it. God said show it to me in scripture.

Here's what you've done several times. You've changed the question that I've asked, not answered the question, and then you've ignored the question. So, let me ask you, what church do you go to? I don't go to a church. What are you, an atheist? No, I'm a Christian.

You're a Christian who doesn't go to church? How long has it been since you've been to church? Quite a while. How long is quite a while?

Years. Is there some reason you can't go to church? I don't believe what a lot of churches teach.

I don't believe there's any major... I didn't ask you that. I asked you a question.

Listen to what I'm actually asking you. Is there a reason you can't go to church? No, there's not a reason I can't go to church, no. All right, so you choose to disobey God and not go to church. Where does it say I have to go to a church? It doesn't say you have to go to church, but it does say in Hebrews 10.25, do not forsake the God and together of the body of Christ, so you're not to forsake it. That's why I asked you, is there a reason? Now, if there's no reason, that's different.

Well, the reason I don't go is because I don't believe that any church teaches the true message of Christ in this time, so I don't attend any church. Is the Trinity true by any chance? No, it's not true. Is Jesus God in flesh?

I don't believe so, no. Did he die on the cross? Yes, I believe that.

Did he rise from the dead and the same body he died in? I believe that, yeah. Do you believe the Bible's true? I mean, yeah, I believe there's inspiration in the Bible, God's revelation. Wait a minute, is the Bible inspired, the whole Bible, or just parts of it?

I don't believe it's inspired, as in it was like a book written by God, but I do believe that it contains the revelation of God. Like there are parts of it that are just... Give me a verse that is revelatory from God, that you know for a fact is from God. I believe that when the prophets speak, that's divine revelation. Give me an example, give me a scripture. Anytime Jesus speaks or one of the prophets, Isaiah, Moses, Jeremiah... So whenever Jesus speaks, it's inspired. Is everything that is recorded by the Gospel writers of what Jesus said, is it accurate?

I don't know, but I believe it's trustworthy. So when Jesus says before Abraham was, I am, what does that mean in John 8.58? I don't know, but I don't think it means he's God. So Jesus said to them, truly, truly, I say to you before Abraham was born, I am, therefore they pick up stones to throw at him.

They want to kill him. So did he really say, truly, truly, I say to you before Abraham was born, I am? Did he say that? I believe maybe he did. I don't think he was claiming deity there.

You don't what? I just asked if he said it. I just asked if he said it. Well, again, let's recognize we're kind of straying away from the question I asked.

No we're not. I'm going to show you something. So did he say it? Did Jesus say before Abraham was, I am? Yeah. Yeah, I believe he probably said that.

Okay. So when he was in John 10.30, I'm going to show you something. When he says I and the Father are one, did he say that?

Yeah, I do believe he probably said that. And then it says the Jews pick up stones again to stone him. We just went from John 8.59 where they want to kill him for saying before Abraham was, I am. And then next mentioning of stoning is here. We'll be back after the break. We'll continue and I'll show you something, okay? I'm going to show you something. All right?

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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, four open lines, 8772072276. All right. Let's get back on here with Anthony. Are you still there? I am.

All right. Now, so I'm just going to continue because in John 8.58, he says before Abraham was, I am. The Jews wanted to kill him. And then the next place where it mentions stoning is here when Jesus says John 10.30, I and the Father are one.

You said that's what he said. It says the Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Then Jesus answered. I showed many good works to the Father.

For which of these are you stoning me? Do you think he really said that? Yes. I mean, this whole conversation, I believe he probably said. Okay. The Jews answered, for good work we do not stone you, but blasphemy, because you being a man, make yourself out to be God. So, where was it that Jesus said, whatever it was, that would make him think he was claiming to be God?

Where was that? Well, it would have probably been when he said I and the Father are one. Okay. So, I and the Father are one.

Why would that do it? What would be so significant about them saying that he and the Father are one? I don't know. Maybe they misunderstood him. I and the Father are one. The Jews, plural, they got it. Because remember, it says before Abraham, I mean, he said before Abraham was, I am, but also Deuteronomy 6.4, he wrote, Israel, the Lord our God is one. Right, but if you look in there, well, later on in the conversation, Jesus corrects them and says, I don't claim to be God, I'm claiming to be the Son of God.

And in John 17, you know, Jesus says, I would like my believers to be one, just as I and the Father are one. So, he's clearly speaking in a symbolic and metaphorical sense. Did you hear that sound? I heard a sound, like a ripping sound, you know, versus being ripped out of context. That's what I heard.

I don't know if you heard that. Okay, I just quoted what Jesus said. If you keep reading the conversation, Jesus corrects them and says he's claiming to be the Son of God.

And by the way, before this conversation ends, I would like you to give me a yes or no. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, did the Jews here in John 10, did they think he was God? They thought he was God, but Jesus then corrects them.

Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You, you just don't believe the word of God, obviously. The Jews answered, for a good week we work, we do not stone you, but you, for blasphemy, because you beg and meant, make yourself out to be God. They want to kill him because they think he's claiming to be God. Right?

Yes. Do they believe he was correct, that Jesus was correct in that claim? Or they didn't, they did not believe he was God? Which is it? Which is it?

Which one is it? Is it the fact that they agreed that he was God? Or they're denying that he is God? Which one of the Pharisees is doing? They thought he was claiming to be God, but then in John 10, 36, Jesus says he...

Hold on, hold on, hold on. So the Jews are, you're right, they think he's claiming to be God. Do they agree with that? Do they disagree or agree with the statement that he's claiming to be God? Do they believe he's God in flesh? Do they believe it or not? No, they don't. So do you agree with the Pharisees?

Do you agree with them? Because they misunderstood him, and they are like you, denying that he's God. Would you have picked up stones with them?

No, but... Yes, you would have, because you have the same attitude. You have the same attitude about Jesus. He says before Abraham was, I am. You didn't even kill him for saying it. You didn't even explain why they want to kill him for saying it.

And here, I and the Father, again, they want to kill him. And you go back to John 10, 30. And the Jews obviously deny that he's God in flesh. You obviously agree with the Jews that he's not God in flesh. And they're the ones who killed him and murdered him.

Good company. I don't think Jesus is claiming to be God, so I just want to put that out there. That's your opinion. You agree with the Jews who denied that he was God is exactly what you're doing. You agree with those Jews. Yeah, I agree with them there.

Yes, I do. And did they understand who he was? In that particular instance, they didn't think he was the Messiah.

They didn't get who he was. But I believe Jesus is the Messiah. You agree with the Jews that he's not God in flesh. Now, does the term Son of God mean that he's not God? Yes, it does mean he's not God. What does the term Son of Man mean then? Son of Man refers to Daniel 7, which is the prophecy in which there's two figures, the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man. And the Son of Man is clearly a distinct figure from the Ancient of Days. The Son of Man is given authority over earth by the Ancient of Days, who is God.

But I still don't understand what this has to do with my original question. Well, I want everyone to hear that you don't believe who Jesus really is. You deny the true God. You deny the true Christ. And you are not a Christian. If you were to die right now, and I don't want this to happen, you'd go to hell.

Okay, thank you for telling me that. But I want a yes or no answer to my original question. Does a Christian who murders someone go to heaven or hell? A yes or no.

It depends on the situation. That's not a yes or no question. You have to define what murder is, and then you have to go through the different contexts and different types. I already said they cold blood, stalk someone down, they premeditate and they murder someone.

But they're a true member of the elect. Do that person still go to heaven? No, I don't believe that's even possible. You say that.

I don't believe it's possible. Okay, well then we'd have to argue about that. But, you know, what is taught is that salvation has... You admit that Christians can sin to varying degrees though, right? So, what's your point? What are you trying to do? What's your point? I don't believe your scenario is legitimate or real. So, okay, now what are you trying to get at?

So, I guess let me make it simpler. Can a Christian live in continual sin, whatever that is, and still go to heaven? Heck yeah. I'm going to heaven. I'm always in sin. I'm not perfect.

What do you think? Well, we weren't talking about sin. We could be talking about anything that, you know, pertains to sin, which is, you know, minor sins like... Dude, look, you got to get your head on straight here. Look. I can speak of myself. I am not perfect. Every day I do something wrong.

I'm trying not to. I try and live my life to the glory of the Lord before I get up. I went to bed last night and I pray as I go to sleep and I wake up. A lot of times I just pray when I wake up before I even put my feet on the ground. I ask my Lord to use me when I sit down in this very chair each morning to work.

I ask God, almost every single time, I ask God, please use me and guide me through my words and my typing, my research, whatever it is. Does it mean that I don't make mistakes and sin during the day? Of course not. Well, let me just make a point. You're saying that Christians can't commit certain types of sin, but they can do others. So where's the limit? Where's the limit that something so bad a Christian can't do it? Because if you're going to admit Christians can sin... That's in the book of 2nd Moronicals. So where does it limit what type of sins Christians can commit? Because we're both admitting that Christians can sin.

I guess you're just saying that there's some limit that they can't pass by, theoretically. So what's your limit to a sin Christians can theoretically commit? Well, I don't know. I'm not God, so I couldn't tell you that. I don't know why you'd ask me that question. So why doesn't God limit Christians from committing any sin?

Is that within God's power or not? What? Let me answer your question. You want me to ask or answer for God and his capability?

Is that what you're doing? Hold on, we've got to break. Okay, because I'm enjoying the fish shooting scenario we've got going on here. Hold on, buddy. We'll be right back, folks, after these messages.

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That's not too much. Hopefully it's okay. Let's get back on with Anthony. He's still there. You still there, buddy?

Yes. All right. Now, I forget where we were.

Where were we? Which sins does God not allow people to commit? He lets you commit all kinds of sins. That's why they exist.

Yeah, so I guess theoretically it's possible that a believing Christian might murder someone in cold blood, an innocent person. Well, I would have to look at all the circumstances. What's the point of all this? What's the point?

Because I believe Jesus taught that people can't commit these sins or else they're not going to get into heaven. You're having a hard time giving me a yes or no answer here. Because your questions aren't very precise.

That's why. It's on your fault, not mine. You don't understand the issue sufficiently to be able to articulate a very competent, well-formed question. Okay? You want the answer?

Normally I won't tell someone that on the air, but I'm telling you. You don't know the situations and the circumstances enough to be able to form the question properly. Okay, I'm giving you a hypothetical scenario. A Christian murders someone. And I just want to know, does that person go to heaven or not?

I don't see what's so difficult about that. Well, I already gave you a scenario where someone could murder someone on a heat of passion and have committed a great sin. And you can still go to heaven based on that. A premeditated thing, I'd say, was something different.

If you want a list of stuff, I can't give you a list because God doesn't provide that such a list. So you're telling me then, or are you saying then, that you go to heaven based on your goodness? Is that what you're saying?

I believe that's exactly what Jesus and the prophets taught. Okay. Are you being good enough? I don't know. I'll be judged when I die and stand before the throne.

That's what Islam says. They don't know if they're good enough. So you don't know if you're doing good enough good works.

Let me ask you. Do you think you probably are doing enough good works? Or possibly?

What do you think possibly? I would say I try to be good enough, but whether I am or not is up to God. So then it's possible that you could be doing enough to please God, right? I believe so. Okay. So what you're telling me here is that you believe that you are good enough, possibly good enough, to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy, majestic God of the universe by your efforts.

That's possible, right? I just want to be clear. It's not just me, but all people. It's within everyone's... We're talking about you. We're talking about you. You want to make me seem like I'm prideful. You are prideful. You're an arrogant fool.

You are an arrogant fool. You deny who God is. You deny who Christ is. You judge the scriptures. You judge what is true and what is false.

You allow certain things in scripture or not. And then you have the arrogance to say that you have the possibility of keeping yourself right with the infinitely holy God by your effort. What a fool.

What an arrogant fool you are. Yeah, you are. That's what Jesus and his apostles and the Old Testament prophets taught, though. They taught that people had a right... No, it's not. Yes, it is.

No, it's not. Moses in Deuteronomy said that the commandments were not too hard to obey. In 1 John, it says that the commandments were not... Where does it say that keeping those commandments gets you to heaven? It doesn't say that in that exact language, but it does clearly say that those who obey the commandments are blessed.

I got you. We're supposed to obey the commandments. Where does it say getting those commandments and doing them gets you to heaven?

Show me. You're the one who's referencing the law. In the Old Testament, it doesn't say it in that language, but Jesus does teach that... Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

If you want to know. It talks about, I think, Deuteronomy 28, 26. Oh, where is that? No, I'll go to Galatians, I think it's 3. I've been a while since I've quoted this. Galatians 3, 10, where Paul is quoting the Old Testament in Deuteronomy 27, 26. Curses everyone who does not abide by everything written in the book of the law to perform them. You're the one who quoted the Old Testament. So, if you keep the law perfectly, you won't be cursed, will you?

Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them. Are you keeping all of the law? Maybe I am. Maybe you are. Okay, so then the Bible says in the Old Testament to love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Deuteronomy 6, 5. Are you loving God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength? I try to.

I didn't ask you to try. Are you? Again, God will judge us based on how we perform. Did Jesus ever sin?

I don't believe so. So, are you keeping the law on the level of Jesus himself? I believe I'm keeping it to the extent that people can keep it to the extent that he taught it to us. He actually quoted what I just referenced to you about love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. He referenced that in Matthew 22, 39, or actually 37. So, he did that, and then he quoted love your neighbor as yourself two verses later. Then in verse 40, he said this is summation of the law. He says Jesus never sinned. Then, are you telling me that you're doing those two commandments, loving God and loving your neighbor, on the same level as Jesus? Well, I believe people can do that, yes. I mean, that's what people... Are you?

You! Are you doing keeping the law? Why does it matter if I'm doing it? Because I'm talking to you.

So, are you able to keep the law on the same level as Jesus? This is a strategy aimed to make someone who makes this argument look prideful and arrogant, and that's not about me. It's about all human beings. It's about you. We're talking about you, not all human beings on the radio show.

Yeah, I could be the worst sinner on earth, and it still doesn't change what Jesus taught. I got you. I'm asking you if you're keeping the law of righteousness on the same level as Jesus. That's what I'm asking you. Sorry, let me... No, I'm not. No, I'm not. How about that? I'll give that to you. No, I'm not.

Let's get this straight. Okay, good. It took you that long to figure out and admit you're not on the same level as Jesus. It took a while, which means you were thinking maybe you could.

Tell me how you're not prideful and arrogant. Yeah, I believe all people can do it. It's within their capacity. I think that's what Jesus taught. I think that's what the Old Testament and New Testament taught. So, all people can, then why just say that no one does good, no one can keep the law, and everybody's sinned?

Why is that then? If everybody can... I think that's poetic, hyperbole, that's from the Psalms, and the Bible speaks very frequently of righteous people. That there are righteous people and they're righteous on their own merit. Okay, well, there's that sound again.

That ripping sound. Yeah, of you taking verses without looking at their context and understanding what's going on. This is why you don't know who Christ is. You do not know who God is, and you are not a Christian. I'm not mad at you.

I'm just informing you. You agree with the Jews that he's not God in flesh. You have the arrogance to say that's even a possibility for you to keep the law, and that you're going to merit your position with God by your own goodness.

Now, if that isn't arrogant foolishness, I don't know what is. Can I ask you in your interpretation of a verse then? When 1 John says, he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteousness, what does that mean to you? What verse? I believe it's 1 John chapter 3 or somewhere therein.

If one who's born, everyone that knows him also practices righteousness is born of him. No. I should have looked this up before. Yeah, you should. You should look at that. Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness? Oh, yes. 1 John chapter 3 verse 7.

Little children, make sure no one deceives you. The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. It doesn't say just as Christ is righteous. It doesn't say that. Well, it says he is righteous, and it's obviously referring to Christ.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm looking at the text that you said and reading it, and you changed it to make it say what you want it to say. Well, who does the he refer to there?

You are so arrogant. You think you can keep God's law, and then you have the right to alter the written word to make it fit what you want. Okay, well, who does the he refer to there in your opinion? It's Jesus. But you said as Jesus was. All right, thank you.

No, no, no, no, no. You changed the word. Okay, I did change the word to make it easier to understand. So don't change God's word to make it into what you want.

But what does it say? Let me ask you. Are you keeping the law? Are you as righteous as Jesus? One who practices righteousness is as righteous as Jesus. That's exactly what the verse says. Are you practicing righteousness on the same level as Jesus?

If I do what's righteous, I'm righteous as Jesus. I didn't ask if you did. Are you doing it? Are you doing it? Yes or no? No.

Yeah, then you're lost. You're condemned by your own words. Hey, folks, there's a break. We've got to go. We've got callers waiting. We'll get to the next callers after the break.

That was an exercise that was worth you to hear to see what the foolishness of the world is apart from Christ. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the show. Hope you enjoyed the last conversation. Just trying to show you guys one of the ways of dealing with people who are lost.

Just one of the ways. Hey, let's get on the phones with, let's see, Noreen from Texas. Hey, Noreen, welcome. You are on the air.

Noreen, I hit the button. Hello, how are you? Fine, how are you? I'm hanging in there. I'm hanging in there. So what do you got? I'm 73. I'm 73.

I'm hanging tight too. My question is, why are there two baptisms after the call? When Ephesians 4-5 says, one more, one faith, one baptism. Now, the one baptism... Wait, I'm trying to understand. Two baptisms after the fall, you said? Is that what the word was? No, after the day of...

Okay. Well, there's the baptism of the Holy Spirit, there's the baptism of water, there's two right there. We shouldn't be. There shouldn't be two baptisms. Ephesians 4-5 is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. Which baptism is it? To verify that they are separate. Hold on a sec, hold on a sec, hold on a sec, please.

I'm asking you questions. Which baptism is it? Baptism of the Spirit or baptism of water?

That's the one. Baptism of the Spirit, because baptism crawls. Okay, so hold on, hold on. I just wanted an answer.

I don't need a teaching from you. I don't know what you believe. In fact, what church do you go to? I don't.

You don't. Let me ask you, is the Trinity true? Is the Trinity true? No. Is Jesus God in flesh? I'm just asking you, is Jesus God in flesh? You cannot have not one righteous belief. It's it.

If it violates one other picture, it's not righteous belief. Ma'am, stop. Stop. I'm going to put you on hold. I ought to go outside tonight and see if it's a full moon.

Okay, let me try it again. Noreen, are you there? Noreen? Yes. Okay, so is Jesus God in flesh? Just asking you, is he? Jesus was.

He's no longer in the self. Is present tense Jesus God in flesh? What's the answer, yes or no? No. Okay, when he was walking on earth, was he God in flesh?

Yes. Okay, so you deny that he's a man right now, which means that you don't have an intercessor, because Jesus is still a man. 1 Timothy 2.5 says there's one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. That's 1 Timothy 2.5. It doesn't mean flesh. It doesn't mean flesh. It means what he acquired while in the flesh, because no flesh can enter. Hold on a second.

No, no, no, no, no. It says flesh and bones cannot inherit the kingdom of God. But Jesus says that a spirit doesn't have flesh, excuse me, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God is what the phrase is. Jesus says, look and touch me, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. After his resurrection, he was flesh and bones. John 24 39. Do you deny that Jesus Christ, Noreen, do you deny that Jesus Christ rose from the dead in the same body he died in? He's an immoral, but is not blessed. Jesus says in Luke 24 39, this is after his resurrection, see my hands and my feet.

It is I myself. Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. Now, after the resurrection, did Jesus have flesh and bones?

No. Then you denied what Jesus just said about himself. Jesus does not have flesh and blood in heaven. I didn't say flesh and blood. I said flesh and bones.

You guys, you do this. Everybody does this and change the word of God. You don't listen to the word of God. You listen, Noreen, Noreen, Noreen, Noreen, I got to put her on hold again.

She said she wants to dominate the show, not her show. Jesus says he has flesh and bones. He says a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

This is after his resurrection, after the crucifixion. So was Jesus wrong when he said that a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have? Was he wrong for saying that? Was he wrong?

Okay. Obviously, folks, this is another example of another person, two in a row, who denies who Christ really is. Ladies and gentlemen, Jesus Christ has God in flesh still.

He emptied himself, Philippians 2, 5 through 8, became one of us. And he died on that cross and he rose from the dead in the same body he died in as he prophesied in John 2, 19 through 21, to destroy this temple in three days, I will raise it up, speaking in the temple of his body, John 2, 19 through 21. In 1 Corinthians 15, 35 through 45, it says that that which is sown in the ground is that which is raised.

It is sown perishable. It is raised imperishable. After the resurrection, Jesus says the spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. This is Luke 24, 39, when he said to them, See my hands and my feet, touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. In John 20, 25, doubting Thomas said, He's risen?

I don't believe that. He said, We've seen the Lord. But he said to them, Unless I see in his hands the imprint of the nails and put my finger into the place of the nails and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.

After eight days, his disciples were again inside and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, Peace be with you. And he said to Thomas, Reach here with your finger and see my hands and reach your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving by believing. So Jesus is saying, Put your hand into my side. In John 20, 27, in Luke 24, 39, he says, Touch me. A spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see I have.

Now, I'm going to tell you something, ladies and gentlemen. What that woman was teaching is damnable. 1 Corinthians 15, 14, If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain. Your faith also is in vain. Moreover, we are even found to be a false witness of God because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.

Paul is saying, Of course they're raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ was raised. And if Christ is not raised and your faith is worthless, you're still in your sins. So Jesus is, as Paul is teaching, the resurrection of Christ, the bodily resurrection. She denied the bodily resurrection.

He's a man right now. And so this is a damnable doctrine. Major faith is in vain. This is why it's important for all of you out there to know what the essentials of the Christian faith are. This is an essential of the Christian faith. You cannot deny it and be a Christian. You can deny it ignorantly.

And then once you see it, you go, Whoa, that's what it says? Okay, it's what I believe. That's different than arguing against this and refusing to repent. So if any of you out there deny that there's only one God in all the universe, and you say there's many gods, you're not a Christian.

And you're lost. You're on the way to hell. If you deny openly, repeatedly, that the Trinity is true, you're lost, you're on the way to hell. If you deny that Jesus Christ is God in flesh then and now, then you have denied the true living God, the true living Christ, and you are on your way to hell.

If you deny that justification is by faith alone and Christ alone, but you add baptism or you add sacraments or you add your own goodness in order to be saved, to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy God, you are on your way to hell. The truth is that there's one God in all existence, all place, all time. Not many gods. You can't become gods. God is a Trinity.

Not three beings, but one being in three distinct, simultaneous persons. The second one became Jesus. The divine nature and the human nature joined.

We're in union. And this is who Jesus is to this day. He died on that cross and he rose from the dead in the same body he died in.

He was God in flesh who died in that cross and rose from the dead. And that we are made right before God by faith only, not by faith in what we do, not by faith in our baptism, not by faith in our sincerity, not by faith in our goodness. Don't be so foolish to think that your sincerity somehow merits anything with God because it does not.

Let me read you something. This is what it says. The law says love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And love your neighbors yourself. That's respectively in the Bible, Deuteronomy 6-5 and Leviticus 19-18, which Jesus references respectively in Matthew 22, 37, and 39. And he says in verse 40, this is the summation of the law. So if any of you think you keep yourself right with God by the law, by what you do with keeping the law, then read Galatians 2-21. I do not nullify the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died needlessly. If you can get to heaven by being good, by following any of the law, then why did Christ need to die? Galatians 2-21, I do not nullify the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the law, loving God and loving your neighbor, being honest, then Christ died needlessly. If you could keep the law, then the law would be the way to be saved. But it can't be, which is why Christ had to fulfill the law and never sinned. 1 Peter 2-22, why he died on the cross and then rose from the dead, which is the sign of the acceptance and the perfection and the holiness of his sacrifice for our sins, where he bore our sin in his body on the cross, 1 Peter 2-24. This is who Christ is.

This is a true living gospel. And if anybody out there, you're listening to my words, if any of you deny the Trinity, repent and believe it. If you're oneness, repent and believe the truth. If you're a Catholic and you believe that you have to keep your commandments and go through the sacraments in order to keep yourself right with God, you need to repent of that great sin and trust in Jesus Christ alone for the forgiveness of your sins. If you're a Mormon and you teach that God came from another world and he was exalted, he's got a goddess wife, that you keep celestial law, you become a god of your own world, and that you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do, 2 Nephi 25-23, you need to repent and believe in the true and living God because nobody is capable of keeping the law perfectly except one person, that was Jesus Christ. Only he did this, 1 Peter 2-22.

Only he was able to keep that law. If you could keep the law and earn your position with God by what you do, then you might as well become a Muslim because that's what Muslims teach, that's what Islam teaches. That's what the Qur'an teaches in Surah 23, 101-103. That's what it teaches.

If your good works out, well you're bad, then the balance is heavy towards you in a good way, then heaven you will find. This is what the Qur'an is teaching. This is what the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower organization says.

It says that you have to keep the commandments of God to be saved and have your sins forgiven. All of this is blasphemy, all of this is false teaching, all of this is evil doctrine. The truth is this. There's one God who's a trinity.

Just like a cube is height, width, and depth, all three of those aspects make up the totality. This is who God is, the trinity. And the second person on the trinity became flesh, died on the cross, rose from the dead, and you've got to trust in him alone by faith alone, and if you do not, and you add anything, then you're on your way to hell.

That's the true gospel. Believe in Jesus. Trust in him. He did it all. He's all you need.

Okay? Not your goodness, not your law keeping, just him. Ask him to forgive your sins. He will because he's God in flesh. Amen. God bless. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.