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Well, thank God you're doing the ministry. Sure, man. You too, man. God bless.

Have a great Christmas. All right. Thanks. Bye. Okay.

God bless. Bye. All right. All right. There you go. Hey, see, I don't know everything.

That's for sure. Why did God pick Mary? Don't know that he did.

Uh, you know, and if he'd have picked another woman, then they would say, well, why did you pick that woman? Don't know. Don't know that one either. So that's, uh, that's how, that's how it goes. Whew. All right. Okay. Hey, if you want to give me a call for open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get on the line here with, uh, let's see. That would be Monique from Greensboro, North Carolina.

Monique. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hello. I will ask the question very directly first. The question would be, have you heard number one of the spirit of Leviathan? And if so, is it actually anywhere in the scripture around the spirit of Leviathan? I know that you talked about in Job, like that Leviathan, but do you know what I'm talking about? Have you heard of the spirit of Leviathan?

That's another one I don't have an answer to. No, I'm going to look it up. Spirit of Leviathan.

Oh man, look at it right now. I've definitely experienced what, what it's been described as more often than too often. And it's been very troubling and very bizarre. Um, and I've prayed about that for many years and I prayed actually before I called back to ask you about it. Spirit of Leviathan.

No, it's starting to sound, um, how do I put this? A lot of times what people will do is they'll go to the Bible, they'll take something in the Bible and they'll turn it into something it's not supposed to be. Leviathan was just a creation and a creative thing. And, uh, so now we have this, well, we don't know. I think it's probably a dinosaur. I think that the dinosaurs, uh, were contemporary with people. Uh, there's evidence of that. There's cave dwellings, drawings with dinosaurs on them. There's, there's all kinds of anecdotes about history of them.

Um, there's finding, uh, fresh DNA, uh, relatively fresh DNA in bone marrow of dinosaurs, you know, you know, a hundred million years old, like this can't happen. So there's, there's stuff. But, um, so it sounds like to me is someone making something into something that doesn't need to be there.

That's just what it tells me. Yes, that, that's, and I ask it if I may qualify it because it is very pointed for an experience I've had many times and I can't reconcile it. Um, it, what I've heard, which is very similar to what you just said, is a twisting of words. So really what you did, but just like a spirit that no matter what you actually say, somehow the enemy is like the makes it makes the person hear something completely else.

I don't mean misunderstand. I mean, like you asked for a Coke and they are yelling at you because you asked for too many cheesers. It's kind of blatant.

Yeah. So, you know, there's auction, there's auction in the Bible. What if they do the spirit of the oxen? You know, they can do anything they want. They can make it up. They could, it, I just, you know, I'm not frustrated with you at all.

I'm just saying I get so frustrated with people when they do stupid things like this and it's just ridiculous. Uh, you know, I'm reading an article here. Like what?

I miss that like this, like Leviathan. Yeah. I'm reading an article. I just looked it up, right? The Leviathan represents the forces of chaos. It does.

Where are you getting this? You know, it's, yeah, let's see. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this right now because the word probably occurs more than once Leviathan. This is in Joe. Let me ask you, what are your, I don't mean to interrupt, but while you're doing that, cause one that comes to mind, if I'm not mistaken to Joe where he says, if there is that Leviathan that you have playing in the water or something, I could have, I could have been sure that's what I saw, but right.

And I was just looking up the word, uh, and the Hebrew word and it's number three eight eight two and it occurs six times in the Bible in a job three eight. So let's just do this. Watch this. Let's just see what happens.

Okay. This is job three eight. Let those, uh, let those curse it who curse a day. We're prepared to rouse Leviathan.

Let the stars of the Twilight be dark and et cetera. And then 41 one. Can you draw Leviathan with a fish hook or press down his tongue with a cord? Can you put a rope around his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook? Is that job 41 and then there's, then there's Psalm 74 14. Uh, let's see, uh, 13 says you divided the sea by your strength. You broke the heads of the sea monsters in the waters. You crushed the heads of Leviathan. You gave him his food for the creatures of the wilderness. Okay. And then, uh, let's see Psalm one, two more here.

So I'm one of four, 26 there. The shifts move along and Leviathan, which you have formed to sport in it. So Leviathan looks like a, a water-based creature. It could be, it's a whale, but, uh, let's see. And then, uh, Isaiah 27 one in a day, the Lord will punish Leviathan, the fleeing serpent with his fierce and great and mighty sword, even Leviathan, the twisted serpent, and he will kill the dragon who lives in the sea. So it's a, I don't think it's a whale.

Uh, and I've written on it and stuff. Anyway, so these are the, the whole places. Now, all of a sudden, now we have the spirit of Leviathan.

He's like, what are they doing? People would write a whole book about something like this. Right. And, uh, that reminds me, there was a, there was a book written on like three or four words in the Bible. I'm trying to remember what it was. Uh, and, and man, oh, it's almost there, tip of my tongue.

Anyway, it was, uh, one of the characters of the Old Testament and he said something to God and he challenged, not challenged God, but, uh, he tested God or something, and this whole book is written on this, this one little phrase. And I'm like, come on, you know, you just can't do that. And, uh, people get sucked into this kind of stuff and it just frustrates me. I just want to walk up to people and shake my finger at them and say, stop it. Stop it.

You know, don't do that. Well, I was, I was wondering, uh, because I've experienced the description that I've heard associated with it so much, and I know that I have, but I've never seen it spelled out that way, attached to that other than what I said about the fish, the hook or whatever it was, that's the only place I really remember seeing it and I wonder where it came from. It's a creature. It lives in the ocean is what it looks like from what it's saying here. That's all. That's why I thought it was a whale, but I just don't know what that has to do with twisting words and that turning into a, a well known concept and definitely one that I know I've experienced, but I can't find it in the scripture by name.

So, well, there's that. And then there's the word behemoth. Well, why don't we have the spirit of behemoth, you know, or the spirit of whatever it is they, people, they want to sensationalize things. I think he discovered something.

It's ridiculous. Just go with what the Bible teaches. And, um, now I'm reading this, uh, then they had the spirit of Jezebel.

Okay. And the spirit of whatever it is. And I remember someone, uh, said that the spirit of apathy has got you and, you know, to somebody else, I'm like the spirit of apathy, the spirit of apathy. The spirit of apathy, even care to do anything, you know, and, uh, the spirit of this, the spirit of that I've heard of people saying, oh, you sleep with your mouth open demons get in there.

You got to cough them out. It just gets into the place place where this is the kind of thing that causes bondage upon people when they read stuff into the scriptures that just aren't there. Leviathan is simply a creature. That's what it is. According to scripture. That's the spirit. Yeah. Well, thank you.

What did you do? Did you just put where, uh, does Leviathan come up in the scripture? What'd you do to get them all in one line? Like a list of scriptures mentioned.

What I do is I have a Bible program called Logos. I just do a control F type in Leviathan. Hit enter. It shows me, for example, uh, Psalm 17, 14.

I copied that. I put it into another window thing I've got and it says Leviathan. I click on it once.

It shows me the Hebrew word 3, 8, 8, 2. I then go down to my search area. Another window I have put it in, hit enter, shows it all to me that fast.

As fast as I told you, that's how long it takes. So then I can find every instance of it. And do you remember the last thing I'll say, what, when I first went to the call first started and you gave me the something, what it said about chaos, what did you do to get that answer?

Oh, I looked up the spirit of life and on the internet to see what article came up and I found one right away. That's all. I was reading part of it. Okay.

There's the music. Thank you. All right. Okay. Monique, good question though. Interesting.

Man, people make something out of everything. Hey, we have four open lines. Give me a call. 877-207-2276 it's Matt slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt slick. Hey everybody.

Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call for open lines, 877-207-2276 let's see tonight. I'll be on a guest. I'll be speaking at a show on a some online thing. I'll put the information out if you want. I'll be defending the doctrine of total depravity with Marlon Wilson.

Anyway, that's an old bit. That'll be at 7 45 Eastern time tonight. So I'll be doing that. All right, let's get on the phones here with Mike from Winston Salem. Mike, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

Oh yeah. I have a question about the word element in second Peter, it says the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise and the elements will melt with fervent heat. And that's a Galatians, um, what is it? Three 10. And then again in three 12, it's just kind of the same thing.

And then when you go over to. Now that's second Peter, second Peter, three 10 and three 12. And then in Galatians, it says, even so, you know, even, yeah, even so we, when we were children were in bondage under the elements of the world, that that's that's saying something completely that's using the word elements in a different way.

It's kind of like the elements, like what are the elements of a good football team or what are the elements of, uh, of the Catholic church? Um, I'm glad I picked that one, but, um, it says it in four. And then again, it says it again in, um, two Galatians four, nine, there's seven occurrences of it and, uh, it's used in different ways. So the word in Greek is and so, uh, excuse me. And so, uh, it occurs in Galatians, Colossians, Hebrews, and second Peter.

So in Galatians four, three, the elementary principles, the basic things of the world. So this is what the word is meaning. So when I click on a dictionary, uh, usage, uh, we have, I have, uh, dictionaries, you know, online dictionaries here on my program.

And so I click on a link, boom, it's right there. I can go through all kinds of them. So for example, the basic parts, rudiments, elements, or components of something among ancient Greek philosophers that designated the four basic and essential elements of the universe consisting of w earth, water, fire, and air. In second Peter three, 10 and 12, the word carries the meaning. This meaning, figuratively, it refers to the elements, the basic principles of stuff. The Bible doesn't teach the four elements. It doesn't teach that, but it's talking about the basic building blocks. And the principles that are there, and that's, what's going on.

And so this word can be used in a variety of ways. And so it, Colossians two, eight, uh, don't be held captive by a vain philosophy. The tradition of man, according to the elementary principles of the world, the basic parts of what their philosophy is, the basic parts of the physical world, et cetera, that's all that's going on. Not a big deal. Nope.

Well, yeah. But how do you know if it's talking about, so when it's talking about the elements being burned away with a fiery heat, what exactly is the Bible talking about? What elements is it talking about? Is it talking about, yeah, I look at this and I know, I know what happened in, in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple. And is it talking about that, that the destruction of the, when, cause when the temple was destroyed, biblical Judaism disappeared and then we went, you know, went into what, rabbinical Judaism, um, uh, I mean the old sacrificial system went away.

Um, is that what it's talking about? No, it's talking about the, the day of the Lord, the day of the Lord is a day of judgment and it will come in a thief in which the heavens will pass away with a roar. The heavens themselves will pass away. It's going to be great sound and the elements will be destroyed. With intense heat.

This is exactly what happens in nuclear fission, fusion, whatever you want to call it, work when the elements are broken apart. There's a great noise in bombs and things like that. And, uh, heat, uh, is, uh, is there. So that's it, you know, it's just, that's, I've always understood it.

Um, and it says in verse 12, looking for the hastening and coming of a great day of the great day of God, because of which, okay, hold on, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning and the elements will melt with intense heat. Okay. So in that context, it's talking about the physical world. Okay. And the other one is to talk about the basic principles of the physical world.

Like the philosophy of men, their elementary, uh, principles. So we have, it's called a cognate and we have actor, actors, actress, actresses. Those are cognates. It's the same root, same form of the same word, but it has different, uh, cognitions, cognitions, cognates, forms.

And that's all that's going on here. Just in that usage in the Greek, you can understand sometimes the words there, when they're translated into English, we think it means exactly that. And only that that's not always the case. But I've, I've taken Spanish, uh, Hebrew and, um, uh, Greek.

My wife speaks French and our daughter, one of our daughters speaks Japanese. And so, uh, we don't ask different questions about what it is. You know, I'll get different answers. Well, it mostly means this, but it can be used this way in that way. And that's consistent with languages. So, uh, that's all that's going on. Okay. That's not a big deal. All right, I guess I got confused because I looked up the Greek and the Greek said Sophia, and it was the same, you know, for each one of those words. And that's what I was saying, but, you know, they're using the same word. Does it mean the same thing? And then, but you just, so now I understand it. You answered my question. Okay. So let me take, for example, the word world, which is cosmos. Okay. Now it's number two, eight, eight, nine. So this is an example, it occurs 185 times in the Bible, in the new Testament.

Well, the Kings, you know, I won't give it a references cause just read the thing. You are the light of the world. Okay. Uh, there's take away the sin of the world for God to love the world. The prophet came into the world. Well, I'm in the world, uh, came to this world, a life in this world. We'll keep it to eternal life.

Uh, uh, depreciate it. This world will keep it to eternal life, uh, uh, depart out of this world. And the word has a semantic domain has a lot is a lot of different meanings in different contexts.

And, uh, you have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things. What was the word world mean there or concerning the things in which the world, how he, uh, may please his wife. The sec, in that case, the word world means the secular ideology and realms, or how about, uh, this verse, uh, perhaps a great many kinds of languages in the world.

Now it's talked about all over the place. So just right there, you can see the same word has a semantic domain. It words me what it means in context. So if, if I take the meaning of one of the word in one place and transfer it to another, it's called illegitimate totality transfer.

So it's kind of what you gotta be careful about the word element element has a specific meaning in its specific context, in the context of the heavens being destroyed, the elements being destroyed with intense heat. That's different than the elementary principles of the world, which is talking about philosophical ideology. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got it. I got it.

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Welcome. You're on the air. How are you, sir? A little melancholy. Can you hear me okay?

Very middling, a little overcast, you know, fair. Yeah, I understand. Well, uh, thank you. Uh, it's good to talk to you again. I just wanted to ask you a quick question, but actually I wanted to thank you first.

I, um, I don't know if you remember, I talked to you about six months ago. And I was heading to seminary and you suggested a couple of things, you know, to help me get through that I'm 59 years old and I just made it through my, uh, first semester of Greek and systematics. And, uh, it was really hard, but, uh, that suggestion with the software for the dictation for my papers, I really appreciate that. It helped didn't log off.

I mean, um, dragon naturally speaking, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I heard you talking about, uh, log off a few minutes ago and that's been a lifesaver. What a great application. It's, it's incredible. But, um, they have good ones that are free ones that are not quite as good, but very good also. And, uh, but yeah, Logos is incredible.

I'm glad you're using it. So praise God. Okay. So, okay, go ahead. So, um, I've got a question for you. I've been assigned to a church out there and we've got a Catholic church nearby and we've got a couple of people that come for Bible study.

Um, they're getting pretty hungry and, um, and, uh, they're participating. It's good to have them, you know, hearing the word, but they're using the, you know, they're using the Volgate as opposed to our Greek. And I wanted to know if you had any comments, anything that, uh, you could suggest as we're talking about that with regard to that translation. Yeah, it's the Latin Volgate.

So they want to go with a Latin, probably a translation out of the Volgate. So since you have Greek under your belt, uh, you've had a, got a semester now or a year or what? How much you got? Yes, sir. Just a semester, but it's just Greek one. So I'm still a baby. That's okay. Because, you know, enough to build a parse, you can decline things, you can identify, you can do, you can do things, you can, you can see what's going on, which really cool incidentally is about the third semester, at least with me anyway, it was like, Hey, wait a minute. I'm starting to get this. It's starting to make sense. And you read something in the Greek and you understand what's being said. Oh, it's cool. And, uh, it starts happening right away.

But when it really kind of clicked was what a third semester for me. So, uh, so they're going to use the Latin Volgate with a Latin Volgate is a translation from the Greek to the Latin. From what I understand and no translation is perfect to what you're doing in Greek to Latin to English.

So now you have an advantage. Now, do you have next Nestle Allen Greek, uh, do you use the next Nestle Allen Greek New Testament? I do.

Is that okay? Good. So it has a textual apparatus in there. Probably.

In fact, I've got my Nestle Allen in my hand right now. Take a listen to this. There it is.

And I love it. And, uh, cause I have the one that has, I have several, but I have the one that has Greek on one page and English on the other. So what you can do is in preparation, particularly for the issue of justification, because there's a lot of things to deal with with Roman Catholics and you can do with Mary.

You can deal with, uh, authority. They're going to want to go to Matthew 16, 18. You need to study Matthew 16, 18. And, uh, in Greek, you're going to need to look up, um, uh, oh man, I can't believe I'm doing this, you know, I'm 66 and I hate to admit it, but my brain gets a little cloudy a little bit more frequently. Um, Petra and, uh, yeah, it's, uh, so Petros is what Peter is and Petra is the rock that the church is built on and Petra, you need to do a linguistic study on it. And these are the things you need to have ready in your head.

I've already done it on Carm. You can go take a look. But the thing is, uh, you need to look at those. And since you have Logos, you'll be able to do Petros and Petra and you'll see that there are different numbers in the, uh, in the lexicon structure. And so that's one thing you're gonna have to do because what's going to happen is when you're talking to the Catholics, they're going to be eventually wanting to talk about the authority of their church. They may want to do it as they're trying to convert you, or they may just say it because that's what they've been taught.

They just don't know either way. You need to be prepared. So you can just study, uh, Matthew 16, 18 and, um, uh, John 19, 23, I believe it is with the, the, uh, let me see if that's right. This is, you have forgiven John 19. Let's see.

What is it? No, that's not it. John 20, 23. I think it has been a while. And so, because you'll need to get into, yes, as John 20, 23 and you already know, you should know what the perfect tense is. The imperfect, the perfect and the perfect and the present, you know about those, right? Right.

Yes, sir. Okay. So you'll need to go to John 20, 23 and do research on that and analyze the Greek because in the Latin or in the English Bible that they use, which is comes out of their Latin, the verbs are, um, not in the represented properly in the, in the tense. And this is very important because it's in the perfect tense and sometimes it's in the heiress, but that's another thing.

So you need to check that out. Okay. Perfect passive indicative and things like this have been forgiven. I'm just saying you got to study and you need to study also Romans chapter four and you're going to have to go to James chapter two. Now you get these down, you're going to be great. Okay.

You'd be prepared. It'll give you some, uh, advice also. So Romans chapter four versus one through five is a pericope that you really need to study because it's the issue of, of justification. So you get to study what justification is from the context right then and there.

And I teach what's called the vertical versus the horizontal. The vertical is justification before man. And James is justification before, let me do this one more time in English correctly.

I just said heresy. Romans four, five is justification before God. It's the vertical between man and God.

James chapter two is justification on the horizontal between a man and man. So James two, 14 through 26, you get to study the pericope I've written on that as well. So you study these things. You need to have these under your belt because if you're going to have Catholics that are in there, you need to know these things. Now you can also go to carm.org forward slash cut, you know, for cut and paste and go to the, it'll forward you to the, a list of things.

You can go to the Catholic section and you have a lot of documented information. There's a lot of tricks that I have, not in a malicious sense, but tricks I use to get them to see things, uh, you know, I'll ask them, I think it's, uh, CCC nine 72. I think it is that says, uh, that there's no better way to conclude that by looking to Mary and I'll ask him about these things. And it's, what do you think about this kind of stuff? I mean, I just talked to him, but anyway, okay.

Having said all that really fast, let me slow down. So when they're in, you have to understand that they have been brainwashed and taught that the church is the authority, not the scriptures. The church pushes the Latin Vulgate and you don't have to negate that. Just point to the Greek and practice in the Greek and show them the Greek and put your finger under the Greek and show this is what it says here. And this is what was originally written. And it's, well, the Latin says, well, yeah, the Latin does say things that I can check on that, but here's what it says on the Greek. This is what your apostles wrote. And gradually you'll get them away from the Latin Vulgate into, uh, you're teaching them out of the Greek. And this will be very, very helpful, very, very helpful. And you do it patiently and do it kindly with them.

Yeah. And, you know, so if I were to go in there, bang, uh, gangbusters, okay, you guys are studying the Latin Vulgate, you're all heretics. Don't believe in the Pope. I'm going to tell you what the truth is. Open your Bible.

That's not going to do it. And so when I talk to Catholics, all that stuff, I'm going to tell you what the I'll ask them questions like, well, do you believe Jesus is God? Yes. Do you believe you forgive sins? Yes. Did Jesus say to come to him? Yes. Did he say to pray to him?

Yes. Well, if you were to pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins, would he? It's real simple. And you're going to find that the church says, I just go through the same thing. I just go, okay, I hear you, but look at, let's go through this again.

Jesus is God, right? And I just gently continue to work with them because you have to think about this. They're brainwashed. And so you have to un-brainwash them, deprogram them. And you do that by sticking with the scriptures. You gently, repeatedly point to the scripture. Always.

And you have an advantage having studied Greek. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it. It's good to talk to you again. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. And, um, have you heard of Rod Rosenblatt by any chance?

Are you there? No, sir, not too much. I don't think so. He was my professor in the Lutheran college I went to in, um, California. And you're going to one in Louisiana, uh, being, uh, Missouri. You were in Irvine, right? I was in Irvine. That's right.

I got married too on campus there. Hey, there's the music. Got to go, buddy. Okay. Call back. All right.

I want to hear. Okay. Thank you. All right. Sounds great.

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And so let's try this. I lived in Utah for 11 years. Here's what I always thought when discussing their beliefs. According to Mormonism, God, the father was once a man like us and progressed into being the God he is today. This means Mormonism is polytheistic.

That's Chris. That's true. Christians are monotheists.

That's, that's true. When they asked, did you pray and ask God if Mormonism is true? I always responded when I pray to ask that, is it possible?

I could be to see. They always said no. And I respond, I believe I could be deceived. And in fact, you have been deceived and still are. That usually ends the discussion.

Yes, that's true. One of the things I'll do with the Mormons when they say, if you prayed about the book of Mormon, I'll say, why should I do that? Why? Because you tell me to? Am I supposed to pray about the truth of the Bible?

Did you ask me to do that? If I were to pray with the book of the Bible, would I get a feeling that it's true? Why is it they only say pray about the book of Mormon?

Do they want you to read it? Well, here's a psychological phenomenon that occurs. If you spend hours and hours reading something with repetition in it, and it came to pass and it came to pass as the book of Mormon so frequently says, and Joseph Smith was trying to sound like God, thus saith the Lord, et cetera. And you're subjecting yourself to this for hours and hours and hours and days and days as you read through the book of Mormon. And then they said, now pray about it.

Well, that's dangerous. If you were to read the Arantcha book, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, Science and Health of the Kingdom of the Scriptures, and you were to read these varying books written by varying individuals, and then you say, I've spent days, maybe even weeks reading it. Now I've got to pray about it to see if it's true. Do you think maybe you just might get an emotional reaction because you've spent so much time in it that the idea of the things that is repeatedly said, you know, thus says God, thus says this. Now, you know, you'd be careful, because now thus says God. Oh, it's true. You see, this is the idea of deception.

This is what happens. And varying cult groups use this kind of stuff to pray about things or to subject themselves to the repetition of whatever it is that they're supposed to believe in. So the Bible never says to pray about truth. Now, the Bible does say in James 1 5, if any of you lack wisdom at a mask of God, wisdom is the proper use of knowledge. James is already a believer. And James is talking to the people about the truth and it's found in the word of God.

Ask God for wisdom. He's going to point to his word and nothing that he's going to answer you is ever going to be in contradiction to the word of God. And the book of Mormon contradicts the word of God. So if the book of Mormon contradicts the word of God and it does. And it does.

Okay. And you're praying to the so-called God of the book of Mormon. Then you're praying to demonic force. And the Bible says that Satan prowls around like a deceiving lion. Deceiver is a prowling lion and he appears an angel of light.

He couldn't be very deceptive. So here we go. Now, the Mormons are praying about a book to see if it's true over and against the Bible. So what they're automatically doing is doubting the word of God. They have to pray about it.

Do they? But the book of Mormon and well, the Mormon church says, well, the Bible is not that true. So now what they're doing is essentially calling God a liar.

They're saying, well, the Bible is corrupted. And what they're saying is God was not capable of keeping his word pure. He wasn't able to, nor was he able to keep the true church on earth.

No, he couldn't do all that. But we have a guy from upstate New York who reveals the truth. He said, he saw God, the father, and the Bible says, you can't. Well, it says we can't trust the Bible and we can trust what Joseph Smith said. Therefore he said he saw the father. So therefore he saw the father and we have the restoration of the gospel. Oh, but the Bible says you can't see the father.

You can't specifically. Oh, the Bible is corrupted. You see how it works? You see how it works, who or what would doubt the word of God. Satan in Genesis chapter three, Satan says to Eve, did God really say the first thing he does is cause her to doubt the authority. That's efficiency of God's word.

That's what he does. And what does the Mormons do? The more they do, the Bible's corrected so far as it's correctly translated. Did God really say, is this really true? And as soon as you doubt the word of God, you're open to deception. Period. Now pray about the book of Mormon.

Okay. Hey, I got a feeling. Well, the feelings from God. How do you know it's from God? Because he wouldn't deceive you. How do you know it's God?

God's not going to deceive you, but the forces certainly will. How do you know you have the true God? How do you know you're not praying to demonic forces?

How do you know? Because I'm praying to God. You're not praying to the God of Christianity because the God of Mormonism is an exalted man for another planet. That's not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible is eternal without beginning, without end.

He never was a man on another planet who could have been a sinner. And yet you pray about the book of Mormon. You pray to the God of the book of Mormon.

Tell me if it's true. The demonic forces want that. Please pray to the being that helped author this book because it's not the true God you're praying to and will come in and help you and make you feel like it's true. That's the demonic realm.

And that's what happens. So, uh, here's, I'll ask the Mormons, you know, did you pray about the Bible? No.

Well, why not? Isn't it from the Jews? Well, it's been corrupted. What evidence do you have? It's corrupted. Where, where's your evidence? Where's the corruption? Show it to us.

Yes, they can't because it's not there. I remember once I was in San Diego and when I lived, used to live there and I heard that there was going to be a Mormon meeting at somebody's house and they were putting up flyers all over the area, trying to get people to come into this home to have a nice testimonial about the truth of Mormonism. I said, I'm going. So I went, I sat in the back, not there to cause trouble, but I wanted to listen. And this guy in a suit, really nice haircut, spoke well, nice looking guy, you know, very polite, spoke softly, spoke about how good the Bible was, spoke about how the Bible says what it says. And he tied it into the book of Mormon. He tied it into Mormonism. He took verses out of context and I know, I know what he's quoting, you know, and I'm like, this guy is just doing violence to the Bible. You know, he's, he's just taking things out of context and make it say what he wants. And he was, you know, I've been studying the Bible for years and years and years.

I know what it is. And so this went on and how great the Bible is. And he even got teary eyed about the Bible.

He did. I remember all this. And so the meeting broke up and I approached him and I said, can I have a question?

Very, you know, very, very nice. You know, he smiled and says, well, yes, what would you like to know? Well, you're quoting the Bible a lot. He goes, yes, yes, I know.

Yeah. I says, well, in Isaiah 43, 10 and 44, 6, 44, 8 and 45, 5, it says, there's only one God, not any other gods, as you know, as Mormonism teaches, there's all these gods. There's all these gods and he flipped. He didn't get yelling at me, but his expression changed.

Everything changed. He says, the Bible can't be trusted. It's not true. And it floored me because he was, without realizing it, admitting he was a deceiver.

He would go to what the people trusted and use it to get them into Mormonism, but he didn't believe it was true. So he was saying, I'm going to use what you think is true. What I believe is false. And I'm going to use it for my advantage.

Yet, I'm going to tell you how bad it is later on. That's dishonest. That's dishonest. See, when I talk to the Muslims out of the Quran, I say, I don't believe the Quran is true. But I'm going to argue from what you say, what the Quran says internally. I'm going to show you problems in the Quran, but I don't acknowledge it's true. Okay.

I believe it's corrupt. I believe it's false. And I tell them that and I talk about it. But this guy was talking as though, oh, it's all true.

And then when someone like me called him on it, he got aggressive. And to me, this was just a demonic manifestation because the deceiver will do that. Because the deceiver will do that. If you're a Mormon, you're down there in Utah, I'm up here in Idaho. And you believe that Mormonism is true and that Joseph Smith is a true prophet and the Book of Mormon is true, but you can believe it. This means it's true. See, I believe they're false.

And you could say, well, Matt, you're just deceived. How do you know? Because I can show you that Joseph Smith countered a description when he said that he saw God the Father.

The Bible says you can't. And I have checked the textual reliability through all the manuscripts of 1 Timothy 6, 16, where it says, speaking of the Father, that he dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen nor can see. I've checked and you know what? It's perfect. And yet the Mormons say, oh, it's corrupted.

Really? Is this corrupted? How about that verse? Is that corrupted? Where's it corrupted? Show me the list of the corruptions.

They don't produce any list. They just say it is. Then they pray about the Book of Mormon. And what God is doing is giving them judgment.

Let me explain something here. Because if you go to Romans 1, Romans 1, 18, what it does in Romans 1, 18, it says, the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness. And it goes on and it says, they exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for the image in the form of corruptible man. That's Mormonism, Romans 1, 20, 123.

You see, the incorruptible God is the true and living God who has existed as God for all eternity. But in Mormonism, God is an exalted man from another planet. And he was a sinner. You know, are they going to say that this man lived a perfect life on that planet? Perfectly?

Of course not. I've never had any Mormon say that Elohim was perfect before he became a God. They had to follow the laws and ordinances of that God on that planet. And so he's a corruptible man who became a God. And professing to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man.

And Paul goes on, he says, and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore, God gave them over in the lust of their heart to impurity, so their bodies will be dishonored among them. For they exchange the truth of God for lying worshipped and served the creature rather than the creator who's blessed forever.

Amen. See, that's the judgment on Mormons. Now, I'm not, you know, folks, I don't hate Mormons. And I wasn't beat up by a Mormon. I'm not an ex-Mormon. I'm just telling you, this is what the scripture says.

And it's important that you understand it. Repent of Mormonism. Ask Jesus to forgive you for all your sins. Trust in him. And in him alone. Read the scriptures. Read the Bible as a child.

Read the New Testament and see who Jesus really is compared to Mormonism. There's the music. I'm out of time. So may the Lord bless you and by his grace, back on here tomorrow. Have a great evening, everybody. God bless. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.