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What's up? Hey, so I called in about a few weeks ago and we talked a little bit about women's pastures and how that's a no-go. I wanted to... another problem that I run into speaking with... Can you speak up? I have you maxed out and I'm having trouble hearing you. Sorry. Sorry. Can you hear me better now?

Not really. But I can barely hear you. Hopefully the listeners can hear you as well because you are pretty faint. But go ahead. Okay. That's better. There you go. That's better.

All right. Yeah, so I do a lot of talking with people, obviously, because I'm a Christian. The number one problem I'm running into is women's pastures and the speaking in tongues thing. So it's with the evidence of speaking in tongues or whatever.

And I run into this issue, like, in Acts 19, right after Mars Hill, we have Paul laid his hands upon them. The Holy Spirit came on them and they began speaking with tongues and prophecy. So how do I... the speaking in tongues thing has never happened to me. It seems to be some type of gift in the scriptures, but the way I'm seeing it at charismatic churches is without interpreter. How do I respond to something like that? Ask them.

Are you doing this biblically? Ask them. What are the biblical instructions for how you two participate in the charismatic gifts? Ask them. That's what I would do. Sure.

That's the way I go about it, and there's typically no parameters set forth. Well then, what you need to do is go to 1 Corinthians 14, and you need to reference 1 Corinthians 14. And ungifted men come in, then they will think you're crazy. And so, this is verse 23 of 1 Corinthians 14. What it says here is, therefore, if the whole church assembles together, and I'll speak with tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?

They say you're crazy. I'd say, so by your doing this unbiblically, you could be causing people to stumble. Is that what God wants you to do?

Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, 1 Corinthians 14, 23. Now, there's a Charismania that goes on. I don't know if you know, but I believe in all of the charismatic gifts for today.

I'm not a cessationist, and I will defend that, and I'll be glad to debate it. But I don't believe in the Charismania that goes on, and this idiocy that's there. God can still do things. But I remember once I went to a church, and they were reformed. This was out in Texas, and they were all singing in tongues, and I said to the pastor, I said afterwards, I said, why are we all singing in tongues? Because the Bible says you're not to speak in tongues all at once, but three or four. He goes, we weren't speaking, we were singing in tongues. I looked at him, and I said, okay, so when an unbeliever comes in, and on one day you're speaking in tongues, he's going to think you're crazy. The next day you're singing in tongues, he's going to think it's okay. He goes, yeah, I see your point.

I said, yeah, it's out of order. So we want to always point them to Scripture. It's interesting that you brought these two things together, women pastors and the Charismatic gifts, because both are based on experience, not Scripture.

Awesome. That seems to be the problem I have, because in the Scriptures it obviously teaches about these gifts, but the churches I tend to like to be at with really good, well, like the dispensational Calvinist kind of churches. So I'm always kind of stuck in an in-between zone trying to find a good place. Oh, boy, brother, I hear you. And the Reformed churches where I'm at are generally liturgical, and the ones that aren't have children inside the congregation that are out of control, and I can't enjoy anything, so I can't attend. And if you do find a church where things are in order, then they sing these ancient funeral dirges called hymns.

And so I get depressed. Yeah, that's just me. That's what they sound like. They sound like funeral dirges to me, you know.

One syllable per note. It goes on and on. I'm like, oh, man. And you can't raise your hands in the church because you get in trouble.

You get stared at. I'm like, God, I don't need that. See, I'm whining a little bit. Most definitely. You know what? My favorite memory of church.

I'm just rambling. My favorite memory of church. One of my favorites was when I was in seminary. I had a guy who was a black guy, an African-American.

He's a friend of mine. And he had this church he went to in San Diego, and I said, man, I want to go. And so, man, I walked in there, and man, I was greeted and hugged and loved on by everybody. It was just awesome. And they were full of joy of the Lord. Man, I felt so good there.

And it was too far for me to go all the time. And then the pastor came out, and everybody stood up and started applauding. And I'm going, no, that's not good. You can't be applauding for the pastor, you know. He's just a man like us. And I said to my buddy, I go, dude, what are they applauding him for? Man, he's just a guy like us.

He goes, no, no, no, you don't understand. They're not applauding because of him just being a guy who's up there. No, they're applauding for the man who's bringing the word of God. And I went, oh. So I started clapping. Praise God. Because I love that.

I love that. Now, wouldn't it be great to have that with Reformed theology? It really would.

It really would. And, yeah, the sensationalist view is very difficult because you can't really become a member at one of these churches unless you give hearty approval to that doctrine. And if you're, I'm not completely convinced.

The strange fire thing just kind of really threw me off. Well, as far as the charismatic gifts go, I can give you a quick argument right now, if you wanted, for why they're continuing. That would be helpful. Yeah, it's very simple. Okay, here we go.

And so if you go to, for example, if you go, here, I'll do this really quickly. 1 Corinthians chapter 1, it says to the church, this is verse 2, At the church of God, which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of the Lord Jesus. That's a universal declaration, not just for the Corinthian church right there.

The church at Corinth to those in every place, so it's universal. You go to verse 7 so that you are not lacking in any gift. And the word for gift is karismati, or from karisma, awaiting eagerly the revelation or the apocalypses of Jesus Christ. So it says you're not to lack any gift while you're waiting for the return of Christ. Some say, well, that means the Bible's completed.

No, it doesn't. It's the return of Christ. Now, when you go, go through this quickly. We may have to do a break here. It says in 1 Corinthians 13, 8, in fact, we won't have time to finish it, so I'm going to go until the break and then I'll continue afterwards.

It says love never fails, but if there are gifts of prophecy, they'll be done away. If their tongues still cease, if there's knowledge, they'll be done away. Now, when we get back, let me start again with this. I'll explain what's going on, and I'll take you to someplace else, and then we'll get your comments.

Okay, buddy, hold on, man. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages where I defend the continuation of all the charismatic gifts, even though a lot of my Reformed brethren are staring at me, shaking their head, and tapping their foot. But we'll be right back. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. All right, let's get to Ryan. Are you still there, buddy? Yes, I am.

All right. Now, remember what I said, 1 Corinthians 1, 7, not to lack any charismatic gift while you're waiting for the apocalypse, the return of Jesus. That's what it says. 1 Corinthians 1, 7. When you go to 1 Corinthians 13, it says, tongues shall cease, knowledge shall be done away with, verse 9, for we know in part, we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. The question is, what is the perfect? Most cessationists say the perfect is the Bible. Well, where's that in Scripture?

It just doesn't fit. And the partial will be done away. And so I think it means when the perfect comes, the return of Christ, the completion, because it's the word from telios, which means completion.

Telios, finished, which has reached its end term limit. That's what's going on. So the return of Christ makes sense.

And it goes on and says, when I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child, when I became a man, I did away with childish things. Now, this is important. For now, we see in a meridimily, but then, face to face, then refers back to when the perfect comes. Because the antecedent of then is when the perfect comes. So when the perfect comes, we'll see face to face.

Well, I did a search on face to face, and every time it occurs, it means an encounter, one person with another person or more. That's what it means. So if the Bible's completed, do we see God face to face? Nope, we don't.

So it does not work. Let me do this right here. Face, oh, come on. And I've got more, I'll show you.

Face to face, I have this article I've written. And so when God uses it in reference to himself, it means a visual personal encounter, Genesis 32, 30, Exodus 33, 11, Numbers 12, 8, Deuteronomy 5, 4, Jeremiah 32, 4. Likewise, in the New Testament, there is also use in speaking of personal encounter, 2 Corinthians 10, 1 and 2, or verse 1, 2 John 12, 3, and John 14.

It just means personal encounter. Okay, so that's point one. Now, it says, we see face to face. I know in part that I shall know fully, just as I have been fully known.

Now, that's a little bit more to unpack, but I'll get to the point quickly. God doesn't know unbelievers. Now, he's omniscient. He knows everything, but when he says, I don't know you, it means you're not saved. So when Jesus says in Matthew 7, 23, I never knew you'd get away from me, that's actually what he means. And in Galatians 4, 8, when you did not know God, you served by nature those which are not gods, but now that you've come to know God, or rather are known by him, now you've come to serve the true and living God. So the idea of having been fully known means it's a saving relationship, a saving something. In a relationship set, that's what happens when the Bible's completed.

No. But it is when Christ returns. So it makes more sense to say that. Furthermore, furthermore, I'll go to 1 Corinthians 14, 1. Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts. Now, that's the Greek word pneumatikas. Pneumah is the word spirit. So hug out Holy Spirit.

Pneumatikas, the spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. Okay, if cessationism is true, take that verse and cross out yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. Cross it out, it's not for today.

You can leave pursue love in there. And then the next verse, for one who speaks in a tongue, cross that out, because it's not for today. No one understands. No one prophesies, right? Cross it out, cross it out.

One who speaks in a tongue, et cetera, it goes on and on. It really does. Oh yes, it does. So cessationism, we all ask cessationists, I say, do you know of any present-day teaching in the church that invalidates large portions of scripture? Oh wow. I go, yeah, cessationism. Like this.

Except they don't like that. Number eight, I have this, I have an actual illustration, I could get one of my other websites back up, I put this up. This is all crossed out in my illustration. To one there's given through the spirit the message of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge by means of the same spirit, to another faith, to another gift of healing, to another miraculous powers, another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, not for today. Right? First Corinthians 14, I have part of verse one through all of verse six crossed out, verses 13, 14, 15 crossed out.

Also 20 through 25 crossed out and then portions of other stuff and then 27 through 32 crossed out, 37 crossed out, 39 crossed out. Because what they'll say is there are lessons from them that are applicable today. Really?

So when someone comes and speaks in tongues is that applicable today? Well no it's not. Well then what are you talking about?

Furthermore I'm going to say the least valuable for the last, the least valuable reason. Not that I make doctrine out of experience. But I remember very clearly once, just once it happened in detail. I took a girl home from a Bible study to her house and on the way she needed a book and I stopped by my apartment and I said here's that book. And she's standing there.

Her name was Tony. And she said in two weeks she was going to go to Australia for a mission. And out of nowhere I just said to her, and I still remember it very clearly, you're not going.

You're going to stay here. In five months you're going to meet a guy. He's going to become your spiritual mentor.

In 18 months you're going to have a spiritual bond and you're going to do ministry together. And then all of a sudden this assurance I had of saying it disappeared. And I'm like what was that?

But I remember the assurance and the knowledge. Two weeks later she got on a plane and went to Australia. And I thought okay. I prophesied false.

I don't know. The next day she was back. She got off the plane in Australia and knew she wasn't supposed to be there. She came back on the same plane.

Stayed. And five months later she met a guy. And 18 months later they got married.

And they went to England and did mission work together. Now the reason I use that sometimes is because it's not a hearsay. Oh I heard someone say such a... Well that's just hearsay. Well let me tell you what I did. Not that I'm drawing attention to myself. I'm not claiming anything. This is what happened.

What do you do with it? I've had people tell me it never happened. But it did. No it didn't. I've had people tell me that.

Because they're so indoctrinated into a particular view that something like that is not allowed. I'm a man of integrity. And before she left to England she said, Matt, everything you prophesied it came to pass. Wow. Remember I'm not offering that as proof. The proof is in scripture. And that's what we need to stick with.

That's the word of God. Awesome. Well thank you Matt. I really appreciate that. Alright buddy.

God bless man. Give me a call anytime. Alright. Hey. We have 4-1-1 Why don't you give me a call?

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You're on the air. Hey Matt. I believe that the Sabbath issue has been settled and especially the way Karm explains it. But I've been on several reform sites and they take me over the coals about the confessions of all having the Sabbath in it. And my argument was that the early Gentiles that poured into the church there would have been a big ruckus about the fact that the Jews if they kept this six day Sabbath which they did and they had to let their employees and you know everybody off and that the new Gentiles pouring into the church would have asked for another day off if the Sabbath got changed to the Lord's day. And I know they're not going to give you two day, you didn't have a two day weekend and so there would have been a big ruckus and it should have been addressed in the Bible.

Am I wrong? I'm confused. I'm really confused. I'm not sure what you're getting at. What's your question? My question about the Sabbath being changed from Saturday to Sunday but my argument was I guess spurless because it confused you.

Well what, let's try it this way. Just formulate a question and then let's go from there okay. So what would be your question then?

Alright. Gentiles coming in to the new church okay after Pentecost. If the Sabbath was changed to the Lord's day and it was a Sabbath rest that meant they were commanded to rest on that seventh day right?

The Gentiles? No, not like that. No. Okay, well I mean that's what they're saying because the Sabbath got changed. So you're saying the Reformed people are saying you have to rest on Sunday?

Yes, that's exactly right. Okay. And so you know I'm Reformed.

I went to a Reformed seminary. Me too. Okay.

Oh good. So I'm not seeing the issue yet. So a lot of people hold to the idea of Sunday being the Sabbath and that they in the Reformed camp they very much will just take it easy and rest that day and do all things like that. That's their privilege if they want to do that.

So I'm not sure what the problem is yet. Now the problem is they want to command that you're to be under the Old Testament Sabbatical laws of not carrying sticks, not lighting fires that kind of thing. Okay. When they do that you ask them can you show me the Sabbath requirements that are continued in the New Testament. Please show me that. Right, and I got in trouble for asking the question on the Reformed page did you drive to church? If you did you lit a fire and you violated the Sabbath on Sunday.

Okay. So just ask them can you show me that in Scripture? To say I'm willing to be corrected out of the word of God. Please show me that in the word of God. And you're putting it on them to show you that. Ask them show me that is. And just don't do multiple things.

Do one thing at a time. And just politely request what verses are there and you go and look at those verses. Now let me just tell you I'm Reformed, okay. But I'll tell you a lot of Reformed people have God in a doctrinal box and they don't want to let him out.

They got things figured out. So sometimes you know you're dealing with people like that. And so when I've talked to Reformed people about this who are hyper in my opinion legalistic about this I'll say so I'm obligated to keep the Sabbath. To what extent show me the Scriptures that require it. And they're going to go to the Old Testament. Hebrews 8-13 Hebrews 9-15-16 where the Old Covenant is ratified or is abrogated with the arrival of the death of Christ we have a new covenant. So I say now you have to show me the new covenant where this is applicable. And that's it. If you can't do that you don't have a right to make any statements like you do. Show me in Scripture.

And they don't. No and my other problem was if God changed the Sabbath from the 6th day the Jewish Sabbath to the 7th day the resurrection he didn't change it to a solar calendar starting at 12 o'clock. Stay away from that. You don't want to get into solar calendar now you're going to be arguing absolutely irrelevant stuff it doesn't make any difference. And I know what you're talking about. I got you.

But just trust me just don't get down there. Romans 14 Romans 14 says let each man be convinced in his own mind about what day to worship on. And I would ask 1 Corinthians 14 if we're supposed to keep the Sabbath on Sunday why does Paul say every day is alike to some people?

Can you please analyze that? And what they'll sometimes do is say well that doesn't include the Sabbath. Well the phrase is every day is one particular day included in every day? Yes. They'll find that they're often legalistic. And then what I'll do is I'll say what if I decide not to keep that Sabbath the way you think I should?

Does it mean I'm a Christian or not a Christian? Yeah. Are they asking questions? Yeah my friend who was Jewish we were in Queens and they actually had a building where an elevator stopped at every floor on the Sabbath because you didn't need to be pushing buttons.

Yeah that's just legalism and ridiculous. He was Jewish. But I'm telling the Christians Do they cook? Do they turn lights on?

Oh yeah. They turn a light on they're causing an arc of flame essentially in a felony. What their argument was Yeah what their argument was that Jesus relaxed the Sabbath rules because they picked off heads of grain and the guy picked up his mat. That didn't relax that was perfect I'd say what book is that? Is that the book of 2nd or Laxonicals? No they just go back to the Confessions of Faith, the Westminster the 1689 Baptist and you know What I like to do when I meet legalistic Calvinists is I say you know I think the Confessions are great but I submit them to scripture. You what? It's like that. Yeah I made that argument even the Westminster says even the Confessions and the Westminster Divines were subject to scripture. That's right. And when you say that oh wait a minute it's almost divine.

I know. It's really fun I love talking to hyper-reformed people like that you know by the way I believe in the charismatic gifts you can hear the gears grinding stuff hitting the fan okay and I'm sorry but sometimes I just enjoy saying something and listening to the ruckus that comes out of it and then I say show me that position in scripture. Maybe my Bible understanding is wrong but I agree with you 99.9% of the time. One of us isn't doing very well then. Like I said I love talking to Reformed people I'm very very Reformed but I'll tell you when I went to seminary I didn't fit their mold.

I'd listen to heavy metal Christian heavy metal going to seminary. And I wore spiked hair and boots did not fit the mold. They didn't do it with me. Hey hold on you want to stay? You're done.

Okay buddy thanks a lot man. Hey folks Four Open Lines 877-207-227 Be right back. Music Music Music Music Music It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276 Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody welcome back to the last segment of the show Four Open Lines. Why don't you give me a call 877-207-2276 Let's get to Vicki from Virginia.

Welcome Vicki you're on the air. Thank you how are you Matt? Well I'm okay I had to check.

I'm doing okay. Well I had to check you know. I have a bit of a question for you and it's found in Luke 2 49 Luke 2 49 Luke 2 49 And Jesus as a 12 year old child has lingered in Jerusalem and his parents have gone back after a day and have been looking for him for three days. And they find him and his mother speaks up and she says why have you done this to us?

And Jesus looks at her well it says and he said unto them why do you seek me? Did you not know that I must be about my father's business? And I thought that that word business was kind of a complicated word because a business implies a profitable organization.

If it's not going to be profitable it would be a nonprofit right? And I was just kind of thinking reverse. I mean I'm looking so you're looking at the King James yeah the word business is not there in the Greek. Okay so what is the word what is the word there?

There isn't. It literally just says in my father's possessive and that's it. That's all it says.

Literally in the Greek it says why is it you're looking for me? Did you not know that I had to be in my father's and that's it? Okay. Isn't that interesting?

Yes it is. Yeah Well I just thought that well okay. Well that's the reason I called you because I thought that was an interesting word for Jesus to use number one.

Except he didn't. And so I'm glad I called because I did not know that. And that's why I call you.

Well yeah I'm thankful that you did. This is why I say to people that unless you're knowledgeable about Greek and you have inter-linears and stuff like that don't use the King James. It has some of these kinds of problems in it that can cause confusion. I'm not saying the King James is bad.

If you really want to get a better understanding of things use like the NASB or even the ESV. The ESV say. Because it's an italics. The implication is there. And in the NASB it has the word house in italics.

And that's how it should be done about my father's house or my father's affairs. And so in the NIRV the word house is not in the italics but in the NASB it is in the italics meaning it's not in the Greek. It's implied. That's what's going on. And so the ESV says house but it's not in italics either. And I think that they should keep it in italics because that's how that's what it should be. The NIV says house.

The NIV-84 says house. So. Okay. Okay.

Well. There's lots of good stuff. I appreciate that. And I'll let you go.

I enjoy your show very much. Well here before you go let me explain something about what was going on there. Because a lot of people don't know this. Because they were looking for him. They couldn't find him for several days.

Wait a minute. Yeah three days. Why is it that his mom and dad didn't know where he was for three days? That's irresponsible. Three days you don't know where your kid is?

What kind of parents are you? Well it was only one day that they went missing and then they returned back to Jerusalem and it took them three days after they got there to find him. But probably. Let me explain. Because he was 12 years old.

But it does seem a bit irresponsible doesn't it? Let me explain what was going on and why this makes sense in the culture. The families rarely traveled alone.

They would sometimes. But often when they would go to Jerusalem a group of people in the extended family would make a journey to Jerusalem. The sacred place.

The sacred temple. Everything was there. So it was very common in the extended family for children to spend an entire day with another family member. It was not uncommon at all because they took care of each other.

They might be in a caravan and they could be four or five camels deep or walking back hundreds and hundreds of feet. It didn't matter. That was the culture. After a while they were going ok let's check them out. We haven't seen them for a while.

Which is normal. And then when they started looking then they had some issues. And then they tried to find them. And what's interesting is Jesus says didn't you know where I would be? That implication means that they should have known about him already and understood a lot of who he was.

And notice what he says. My father's house at 12 years old he knew he knew who he was in relationship to God the Father. Because you should have known he's saying to the parents you should have known I'd be here. Where else would I be?

My father's house. Because even there at young age he's teaching it's his nature because he is the truth. And 12 years old is a significant number. It's an age of maturity and manhood in Judaism. And it wasn't until he was 30 that he began his ministry. He had to remain under the law for that period of time in subjection to his mother and father.

And this is really important. Because it says in verse 51 and he went down with them and came to Nazareth and he continued in subjection to them. Some groups say well Jesus during between 12 and 30 years old went to India and studied at the feet of the Hindu masters or Buddhist men here or there.

They say no it says he remained in subjection to his parents. So there's a lot here in this pericope of scripturalogical just aren't familiar with. Yes.

Okay. Well it's the Bible just never ceases to just amaze me that you know it's just always new. It's always fresh. It's always right off the press so to speak. I just love it.

I just love it. It's a deep book. In fact I was talking to a friend of mine today Andrew Rappaport and we were discussing a genealogical issue in Matthew and how he goes wait a minute the timeline isn't quite right and so I said hey try this I don't know the answer I said try this try that try this let me know what you find. And it's just another example of hey you know we look we learn the word of God is still deep no matter how deep we go it's deeper still. There's always things to be found and to be understood.

And when we have problems that's a good sign. Not that the word of God has a problem but it means okay we're about to discover something if we're to continue to look. And so that's it. You know.

Now notice what it says also. And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and he continued in his subjection to them and his mother treasured all these things in her heart. And people would say Joseph isn't mentioned maybe by then he had died. It's just commentary. Right.

Well he doesn't say much. His mother is the one that goes to the hospital. And it's most probably they say because older men would marry younger women. Because the fathers who would make arrangements wanted to make sure their daughters were taken care of. And so it was not uncommon there would be a 20 or 30 year age gap between a couple. That was not uncommon.

It wasn't considered yucky or anything. And they would do that and so some think Joseph was older quite capable. A good man. And he ended up passing away and she continued on. And that's just one of the theories that is there. And it's hinted at slightly right there.

It just says my mother treasured all these things. It doesn't mean he wasn't around. But there's this little mention of him. And she did the same thing when they took him to the I guess the temple to be circumcised. I can't think of the guys name that was there. But Anna the prophetess was there. And who was the priest that was it a priest that circumcised me? Zechariah? I don't know exactly what it was. But he told her some things and of course the King James says and she ponders these things in her heart.

Oh yeah because of who he would be and what he would do. Yeah. In fact sorry a little bit of a tangent here. Notice he was circumcised on the eighth day. Did you know that you know that in the mail that it's after the on the eighth day and after that there's a certain coagulant in blood that manifests.

So the eighth day circumcision the shedding of blood is more medically feasible. Furthermore how many people were in Noah's Ark? Eight.

Eight. That's right. Now also that people don't know this but in Greek and in Hebrew but in Greek the letters are also numbers. We have two sets. We have numbers and letters. But in Greek it's just one set for both. So whenever you write a word you're writing a bunch of numbers. Also. Turns out the word for Jesus, Jesus, is eight eight eight. It's interesting.

Wow. Circumcised on the eighth day and what day of the week was Jesus raised on? Sunday which is the first day of the week.

Right? Well it's seven plus one. The first seven plus one that's a bit of a stretch but it makes sense. You go oh the eighth day. They worship on the eighth day now.

The resurrection day. Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day. Eight people in Noah's Ark. So eight is considered a number of new beginnings. Because this is when a child was entered into the covenant. It's when Noah entered in and something new happened. And so all this stuff is interrelated.

And I can get into some more details like that with numbers. But we're almost out of time. Okay we're out of time. Well it was just wonderful to talk with you and to listen and get your thoughts and I appreciate it so much. Well you're welcome so much. Well God bless. Alright. Alright.

But you have a blessed evening. Okay you too. Okay. Bye bye.

Okay. And let me see if I can get this out really fast. So the Greek numbers are also letters are also numbers. So the word for fish in Greek has a mathematical value of 1224. And in John 21 they caught 153 fish in the net. In John 21 they caught 153 fish.

What's interesting is remember I said the number 8 new beginnings. 8 times 153 that's how many fish were caught. Is the mathematical value of the word fish. Which is ichthus. Which the first letters are the first letter is of each word. If you call back tomorrow for a good time I'll tell you what those are and why the word ichthus has been on car bumpers and things like that.

What ichthus the word fish means with the first letter of each word. If you want call me tomorrow and I'll explain it. There you go folks. May the Lord bless you tonight. Hey check out the calendar. Carmed.org forward slash calendar. I'll be answering questions in a couple of hours online. Hey God bless everybody. I'll talk to you tomorrow.